Acetate " Baby " Who Is It?

[Briank]

I got another one that I need help on and I think is sounds like a soul record unlike the last one I asked about.

Edited February 10, 2012 by briank

[Briank]

A strange thing is that it was recorded at 78 rpm...why would they do that? I do not think it is that old.

Edited February 7, 2012 by briank

[Tony Smith]

The song is "Baby, Since You Went Away" also done by Doug Banks on Argo, don't know this version though.

[Len]

Lovely, not heard it either. The Doug Banks version that Tony mentioned is the other side to 'I Just Kept On Dancing'

All the best,

Len.

[Prophonics 2029]

Sounds like Kenny Gamble.

More I listen its You Don't Know What You Got Untill You Lose It even the score.

Edited February 6, 2012 by Prophonics 2029

[Briank]

Note...all the label says is: "Baby" and Hill and Range at the bottom.

Another different thing is that it's recorded at 78 rpm!!! That's different for an acetate is it not?

[Prophonics 2029]

Credits on the single for Douglas Banks are John Walsh & Murry Wecht, if this pre-dates the the Argo release then why not a 78.

Edited February 6, 2012 by Prophonics 2029

[Briank]

We do not know how much it predates it....Ramsey Lewis Argo 5481 release date is October 10, 1964 and Doug Banks is Argo 5483 which is after this. Mass production of 78s stopped around 1960 from what I've heard. I'm not in disagreement, but just wondering why they opted to record it at 78 rather than 45. Out of this collection of acetates of which there were over 100 this is the only one done this way. I have heard especially from 78 collectors that 78s sound better than 45s and maybe that's why this was done.

[pikeys dog]

Or maybe they had a spare 78 blank kicking around?

Edited February 6, 2012 by pikeys dog

[Chalky]

Note...all the label says is: "Baby" and Hill and Range at the bottom.

Another different thing is that it's recorded at 78 rpm!!! That's different for an acetate is it not?

Hill and Range is he publishers isn't it?

[Briank]

I just found another copy which confirms the previous statement by Prophonics2029. Attached is scan with lyric sheet This one is recorded at 45rpm.

[Briank]

Cheers.

Edited February 7, 2012 by briank

[Briank]

thanks.

Edited February 7, 2012 by briank

[Garethx]

The Doug Banks is a masterpiece of Big City soul and a record I could never bring myself to sell no matter how much I loathe "I Just Kept On Dancing". This is more like a songwriters' demo and lacks all the peaks, troughs and tension in the arrangement and the masterful vocal control which makes the Argo release so great. The vocalist sounds white to me.

Interesting though and thanks for posting it.

[Prophonics 2029]

Wow different Doug Banks take. Ady c had this with Gerrie Granger 45 and 78 on why cant it be tonight and the panic is on Lou Johnson

Edited February 6, 2012 by Prophonics 2029

[Garethx]

The second file you've posted sounds just like a Doug Banks vocal but over a different instrumental take to the finished Argo 45. Are these both on the same acetate?

Like Tony says above it was not completely unusual for acetates to be cut at 78rpm well into the 1960s.

[Briank]

These are two different acetates. Thanks for the input to all. I do not have the Argo 45 at all, so I could not compare. I could not find the cut on utube that is included above for some reason.

[Briank]

Yes, the vocals sound very similiar to me on the official release and the acetates. Glad they were enjoyed.

[Benji]

First audio clip sounds like a publisher's demo to me. 2nd clip is definitely Doug Banks singing over the demo backing.

[Ady Croasdell]

They were still doing some acetate 78s right up to 1965

[Ady Croasdell]

Good acetates Brian, if you're selling the Doug Banks, I'd go for it or if you want to preserve the sound do a high quality copy of it before you play it much, you can hear the needle damage on the first demo.