Can Anyone Help With What This Instro Is?

[Guest soulmaguk]

Can anyone help with the identity of this mod sounding record, it has no labels either side. They are both the same track on either side but one is a live version.

https://youtu.be/fuvmldTR3dE

[Pete S]

It sounds like it's based on "Hole in the wall"" by The packers

[Russoul1]

sounds abit like the romeos on loma?

[boba]

I Shazam'ed it and it says Jolly Joe - The Hideaways - Mirwood soul story vol 2

[Guest allnightandy]

I Shazam'ed it and it says Jolly Joe - The Hideaways - Mirwood soul story vol 2

Sure is !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix42ciKGm-M

I have a white demo is it worth anything ?

Edited January 28, 2012 by allnightandy

[Robbk]

Definitely got that L.A. mid-to-late '60s Jazz-tinted R&B instrumental sound. I knew I had that cut. The Hideaways MUST have had some of the same players as did The Packers. They were basically mainly studio groups in any case, weren't they?

Although, I DO remember the Packers making the rounds at clubs in L.A. in 1966-68.

Edited January 28, 2012 by RobbK

[pikeys dog]

aka Joe S Maxey - Sign of the crab - Action, if i'm not mistaken.

[dthedrug]

HI ALL

THE RECORD IN QUESTION IS A WEST COST EARLY FUNK, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HOLLYWOOD SESSIN MEN DOIN A JAM VERSION OF SWEET GRAPES.

THE RECORD MATRIX MAY INDICATE IF WAS A PURE SOUL RECORDING OUT OF HOLLYWOOD, RANDY WOODS MUSISIONS WERE LIKE THOSE IN DETROIT CHICARRGO PHILLY, JUST GREAT MUSITIONS.

NOTICE THE AFRO RYTHAM FUNK,

THIS RECORD HAS AS MUCH TO DO WITH MODS AS A POKE IN THE EYE FROM ME WITH A SHARP STICK,

THERE WERE NO MODS WHEN THIS WAS RECORDED IN 1969 .

HOW SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO LABEL MUSIC WRONGLY. IRRATATES ME, LIKE THE TERM SKINHEAD REGGAE,

THERE IS ONLY 6 RECORDS THAT HAVE THE WORD SKINHEAD IN, AND FOR THE RECORD APART FROM SKINHEAD MOONSTOMP

I HAVE ONLY MET 1 WHITE BOY WHO HAD A COPY OF SKINHEAD A MESSAGE TO YOU, ON DOWNTOWN, ME

ALL THE OTHER RECORDS AND MOST OF WHAT SOUNDS SO FAMILIAR NOW, WOULD BE UNKNOW TO 98% OF BOVVER BOYS IN 69

EARLY REGGAE YES,

AGAIN WHAT DO YOU THINK MY MATES WHO COME FROM JAMAICA THINK, WHEN THEIR MUSIC IS TAKEN OFF THEM, RENAMED, AFTER WHAT IS RECKOGNISED THE WORLD OVER .AS A TERM FOR FACIST THUGS,

MMMMM!! BET IT WILL BE HARD FOR YOU YOUNG ONES TO TAKE THIS IN with Oi! 2 TONE MAY DAY 79 THE JAM IT'S NOT THE REAL STUFF AGAIN? PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT ME USEING CAPITAS MY ISSUES ARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE ROOTS OF BLACK MUSIC OUR MUSIC DAVE 69 GGRRR RANT & RAGE

[boba]

AGAIN WHAT DO YOU THINK MY MATES WHO COME FROM JAMAICA THINK, WHEN THEIR MUSIC IS TAKEN OFF THEM, RENAMED, AFTER WHAT IS RECKOGNISED THE WORLD OVER .AS A TERM FOR FACIST THUGS,

Hi Dave. I'm confused, how is that different than what happens to US soul music?

[dthedrug]

Hi Dave. I'm confused, how is that different than what happens to US soul music?

HI FIRST of last night I got a bit angry with myself, about not knowing that DAVE had passed away, a special bloke in that he always made an effort to make me feel welcome at every All Nighter gopeng reet back as he would say, there used to be many people on the scene who went through this masonic greeting that has been part of the scene since the late 60s ,

not sure how to answer the question as the UK has 90% of the rare soul, as and they missed the boat, and have adopted the UK term Northern Soul a term that we all credited to DAVE GODIN now he has passed away some people seem to think it's outdated pass it sell by date,, I have a strong dislike to hypocrites liars & cowards also cheats, as I come from the baby boom black & white society, many of the things we got up to in our latent youth, back then was taking on the establishment and by the mid to late 60s when the MODS went soft, and got all yer man"" Far out! man, was a big shock for many of us who were turning 16 & 17 in 1967, down SOUTH being a MOD meant respect sharp a wedge of cash girl on the arm, as the mods become hippyfied it was hard to take in that a geezer who had a reputation of COOL but would bottle you if you started to screw his SORT, HAD TURNED INTO a drop out scruff and started to speak like a student, cool it man you are being heavy man, I could not believe it but what happened was we put the whole idea of lawless boot boys, in 1967 a dance hall fight was like this, to blokes saying watch what you are saying come on step outside, and the did and they would take there jackets of and have a fist fight the 1st one to drop to there knees lost in 1968 we changed that way of fighting and the first thing you did was join a firm, a firm is not a gang, a firm was made up from lots of crews , at the same time I was doing my thing the old Rockers of motorcycle clubs like the famous 69 club who would meet on CHELSEA BRIDGE, STARTED TO ADDOPT THE STYLE OF THE US HELLS ANGELS MC & THE OUTLAWS MC, this revolution of what was going on come to a violent year 2 years after the Summer of Love and 4 years after the high point of being a MOD 1965, you had the most violent gangs that I can remember in 1969 the BOOT BOYS RULED EVERY WERE, EVERY TIME YOU LEFT YOU HOUSE, YOU WERE READY FOR EVERYTHING, TOOLED UP & THIS WAS NOT JUST THE WHITE KIDS IT WAS THE JAMAICAN KIDS AS WELL WHO ADOPTEED A MORE MOD LOOK SUITED UP, if you had black mates you could go to there clubs, which were terraced houses with 3 or 4 cellars knocked into 1 these clubs were normally well run and you could not just walk into them typically the caller was open at 10 and shut at 5am the music was the new Jamaican sound named after a sexual hip thrusting dance from Jamaica with a emphasis on the BASS the sound man was the boss an adopted many flash titles to there name respect for the elders was paramount in the HOLE CLUBS, and all older men were called DADDY still a term used today I have even been called it and younger people like Ian Guy (TAFFY ) from Letchworth always calls me DAD, this multicultural world was a haven for me and I embraced every thing to do with THE JA SCENE even built my first sound system and went with the sound man when he got his records in various locations in London . I really should right a book about the term we use the Spirit Of 69 out of all the years n the 60s the amount of film taken is virtually non existing apart from picture of boot boys taking there laces from the boots on match days

It's amazing how 1869 is remembered today with the VIET NAM WAR HIPPYS GETTING A GOOD KICKING BY THE OLD BILL AT THE US EMBASSY IN GROVENER SQARE, what do younger people say 1969 was about the name the media gave to us "skinheads" this was OK as such even though only a very small number of people had shaved heads a #2 was regular #1 meant you were looking for agro?

why don't you here the phrase SKINHEAD SOUL? well it sounds stupid as there ain't non . so why is it used on early reggae to me it is exactly the same, vintage yes early yes 69 reggae yes please Jamaican reggae yes, London Heavy Bass Reggae ( this covers all the records by Laural Aiken) surely it better , when I think of the WORD I can see a goon with doctor Martins laced up to the knees a puffed out bomber jacket jeans to tight a nd a swastika on his his fore head, hurting you, or worse a group of balding 40 year old man with a Ben Sherman shirt not tucked in and not button up to leave just the top button open talking football remember the COCKNEY REDS? ANY MORE OF THIS TAKES THE PISS OUT OF THIS THREAD SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE CLUBS IN THE NORTH AND IN LONDON WILL GO INTO A NEW THREAD DAVE60

[Chalky]

Dave, you've certainly lost me here?

[Pete S]

HI FIRST of last night I got a bit angry with myself, about not knowing that DAVE had passed away, a special bloke in that he always made an effort to make me feel welcome at every All Nighter gopeng reet back as he would say, there used to be many people on the scene who went through this masonic greeting that has been part of the scene since the late 60s ,

not sure how to answer the question as the UK has 90% of the rare soul, as and they missed the boat, and have adopted the UK term Northern Soul a term that we all credited to DAVE GODIN now he has passed away some people seem to think it's outdated pass it sell by date,, I have a strong dislike to hypocrites liars & cowards also cheats, as I come from the baby boom black & white society, many of the things we got up to in our latent youth, back then was taking on the establishment and by the mid to late 60s when the MODS went soft, and got all yer man"" Far out! man, was a big shock for many of us who were turning 16 & 17 in 1967, down SOUTH being a MOD meant respect sharp a wedge of cash girl on the arm, as the mods become hippyfied it was hard to take in that a geezer who had a reputation of COOL but would bottle you if you started to screw his SORT, HAD TURNED INTO a drop out scruff and started to speak like a student, cool it man you are being heavy man, I could not believe it but what happened was we put the whole idea of lawless boot boys, in 1967 a dance hall fight was like this, to blokes saying watch what you are saying come on step outside, and the did and they would take there jackets of and have a fist fight the 1st one to drop to there knees lost in 1968 we changed that way of fighting and the first thing you did was join a firm, a firm is not a gang, a firm was made up from lots of crews , at the same time I was doing my thing the old Rockers of motorcycle clubs like the famous 69 club who would meet on CHELSEA BRIDGE, STARTED TO ADDOPT THE STYLE OF THE US HELLS ANGELS MC & THE OUTLAWS MC, this revolution of what was going on come to a violent year 2 years after the Summer of Love and 4 years after the high point of being a MOD 1965, you had the most violent gangs that I can remember in 1969 the BOOT BOYS RULED EVERY WERE, EVERY TIME YOU LEFT YOU HOUSE, YOU WERE READY FOR EVERYTHING, TOOLED UP & THIS WAS NOT JUST THE WHITE KIDS IT WAS THE JAMAICAN KIDS AS WELL WHO ADOPTEED A MORE MOD LOOK SUITED UP, if you had black mates you could go to there clubs, which were terraced houses with 3 or 4 cellars knocked into 1 these clubs were normally well run and you could not just walk into them typically the caller was open at 10 and shut at 5am the music was the new Jamaican sound named after a sexual hip thrusting dance from Jamaica with a emphasis on the BASS the sound man was the boss an adopted many flash titles to there name respect for the elders was paramount in the HOLE CLUBS, and all older men were called DADDY still a term used today I have even been called it and younger people like Ian Guy (TAFFY ) from Letchworth always calls me DAD, this multicultural world was a haven for me and I embraced every thing to do with THE JA SCENE even built my first sound system and went with the sound man when he got his records in various locations in London . I really should right a book about the term we use the Spirit Of 69 out of all the years n the 60s the amount of film taken is virtually non existing apart from picture of boot boys taking there laces from the boots on match days

It's amazing how 1869 is remembered today with the VIET NAM WAR HIPPYS GETTING A GOOD KICKING BY THE OLD BILL AT THE US EMBASSY IN GROVENER SQARE, what do younger people say 1969 was about the name the media gave to us "skinheads" this was OK as such even though only a very small number of people had shaved heads a #2 was regular #1 meant you were looking for agro?

why don't you here the phrase SKINHEAD SOUL? well it sounds stupid as there ain't non . so why is it used on early reggae to me it is exactly the same, vintage yes early yes 69 reggae yes please Jamaican reggae yes, London Heavy Bass Reggae ( this covers all the records by Laural Aiken) surely it better , when I think of the WORD I can see a goon with doctor Martins laced up to the knees a puffed out bomber jacket jeans to tight a nd a swastika on his his fore head, hurting you, or worse a group of balding 40 year old man with a Ben Sherman shirt not tucked in and not button up to leave just the top button open talking football remember the COCKNEY REDS? ANY MORE OF THIS TAKES THE PISS OUT OF THIS THREAD SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE CLUBS IN THE NORTH AND IN LONDON WILL GO INTO A NEW THREAD DAVE60

Very interesting as always Dave but I have to totally disagree with you in that the definitions have changed nowadays, SKINHEAD REGGAE is the definition of the sound of a particular type of reggae released between 1968 and 1970 but it's not the same as YOUR definition of the same sound; you've played me things that you regard as Skinhead Reggae - I totally disagree as they are too slow. Skinhead reggae to me is Sufferer, John Jones, Cat Nip, Red Red Wine, Don Juan, Rise And Fall, Dry Acid, Been So Long, Call You Up etc etc - the fast early reggae. To me it has no connotations with any of the people or groups you describe above, yes it may be enjoyed by the Ben Sherman boys but to me, it's a genre of music all on it's own.

[Pete S]

aka Joe S Maxey - Sign of the crab - Action, if i'm not mistaken.

Yes that was a bizarre release, same record as both sides of The Packers with made up artist and title, and the B side, originally titles Go Ahead On, was played by Soul Sam as a cover up off that Action 45.

[Guest soulmaguk]

HI FIRST of last night I got a bit angry with myself, about not knowing that DAVE had passed away, a special bloke in that he always made an effort to make me feel welcome at every All Nighter gopeng reet back as he would say, there used to be many people on the scene who went through this masonic greeting that has been part of the scene since the late 60s ,

not sure how to answer the question as the UK has 90% of the rare soul, as and they missed the boat, and have adopted the UK term Northern Soul a term that we all credited to DAVE GODIN now he has passed away some people seem to think it's outdated pass it sell by date,, I have a strong dislike to hypocrites liars & cowards also cheats, as I come from the baby boom black & white society, many of the things we got up to in our latent youth, back then was taking on the establishment and by the mid to late 60s when the MODS went soft, and got all yer man"" Far out! man, was a big shock for many of us who were turning 16 & 17 in 1967, down SOUTH being a MOD meant respect sharp a wedge of cash girl on the arm, as the mods become hippyfied it was hard to take in that a geezer who had a reputation of COOL but would bottle you if you started to screw his SORT, HAD TURNED INTO a drop out scruff and started to speak like a student, cool it man you are being heavy man, I could not believe it but what happened was we put the whole idea of lawless boot boys, in 1967 a dance hall fight was like this, to blokes saying watch what you are saying come on step outside, and the did and they would take there jackets of and have a fist fight the 1st one to drop to there knees lost in 1968 we changed that way of fighting and the first thing you did was join a firm, a firm is not a gang, a firm was made up from lots of crews , at the same time I was doing my thing the old Rockers of motorcycle clubs like the famous 69 club who would meet on CHELSEA BRIDGE, STARTED TO ADDOPT THE STYLE OF THE US HELLS ANGELS MC & THE OUTLAWS MC, this revolution of what was going on come to a violent year 2 years after the Summer of Love and 4 years after the high point of being a MOD 1965, you had the most violent gangs that I can remember in 1969 the BOOT BOYS RULED EVERY WERE, EVERY TIME YOU LEFT YOU HOUSE, YOU WERE READY FOR EVERYTHING, TOOLED UP & THIS WAS NOT JUST THE WHITE KIDS IT WAS THE JAMAICAN KIDS AS WELL WHO ADOPTEED A MORE MOD LOOK SUITED UP, if you had black mates you could go to there clubs, which were terraced houses with 3 or 4 cellars knocked into 1 these clubs were normally well run and you could not just walk into them typically the caller was open at 10 and shut at 5am the music was the new Jamaican sound named after a sexual hip thrusting dance from Jamaica with a emphasis on the BASS the sound man was the boss an adopted many flash titles to there name respect for the elders was paramount in the HOLE CLUBS, and all older men were called DADDY still a term used today I have even been called it and younger people like Ian Guy (TAFFY ) from Letchworth always calls me DAD, this multicultural world was a haven for me and I embraced every thing to do with THE JA SCENE even built my first sound system and went with the sound man when he got his records in various locations in London . I really should right a book about the term we use the Spirit Of 69 out of all the years n the 60s the amount of film taken is virtually non existing apart from picture of boot boys taking there laces from the boots on match days

It's amazing how 1869 is remembered today with the VIET NAM WAR HIPPYS GETTING A GOOD KICKING BY THE OLD BILL AT THE US EMBASSY IN GROVENER SQARE, what do younger people say 1969 was about the name the media gave to us "skinheads" this was OK as such even though only a very small number of people had shaved heads a #2 was regular #1 meant you were looking for agro?

why don't you here the phrase SKINHEAD SOUL? well it sounds stupid as there ain't non . so why is it used on early reggae to me it is exactly the same, vintage yes early yes 69 reggae yes please Jamaican reggae yes, London Heavy Bass Reggae ( this covers all the records by Laural Aiken) surely it better , when I think of the WORD I can see a goon with doctor Martins laced up to the knees a puffed out bomber jacket jeans to tight a nd a swastika on his his fore head, hurting you, or worse a group of balding 40 year old man with a Ben Sherman shirt not tucked in and not button up to leave just the top button open talking football remember the COCKNEY REDS? ANY MORE OF THIS TAKES THE PISS OUT OF THIS THREAD SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE CLUBS IN THE NORTH AND IN LONDON WILL GO INTO A NEW THREAD DAVE60

That was a top read Dave60. I love to read these kind of insites to the origins. I will probably not catogorize so readily with record sounds in future. Many many thanks to all for the info. Soulmag.