Derek Pearson Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Collecting records was just great but the obsessive in me still wasn't satisfied. The logical extension was to start gathering up paper sleeves as well. Some of my favourites. Never twigged before that both these powerhouse labels bore the same street address (doh). derek Edited January 17, 2012 by Derek Pearson
Pete S Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Collecting records was fine but the obsessive in me still wasn't satisfied. The logical extension was to start gathering up paper sleeves as well. Some of my favourites. Never twigged before that both these powerhouse labels bore the same street address (doh). derek That's because they're the same company..
Derek Pearson Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Many records that we chase were issued by labels that only managed to release in many cases less than half a dozen singles. The life span of the label was often very short and greatly depended on one of their opening releases selling in some sort of number. Money would have been tight, just releasing the record would have been an achievement in itself for many, so wrapping them in a company sleeve would have been way down on their wish list. So it's quite unusual and a great bonus to find paper sleeves from the much smaller companies. Memphis Records released less than half a dozen singles - four I think - in 1970. The Girls and Ollie Nightingale spring to mind. Edited January 17, 2012 by Derek Pearson
Derek Pearson Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Many records that we chase were issued by labels that only managed to release in many cases less than half a dozen singles. The life span of the label was often very short and greatly depended on one of their opening releases selling in some sort of number. Money would have been tight, just releasing the record would have been an achievement in itself for many, so wrapping them in a company sleeve would have been way down on their wish list. So it's quite unusual and a great bonus to find paper sleeves from the much smaller companies. De-vel Records was another short lived - less than 6 releases - label that operated out of New York City circa 1973. Keni Lewis, Jackie Milton and Madeline & the Monticellos spring to mind. Stunning is the word I'd use Edited January 17, 2012 by Derek Pearson
Derek Pearson Posted January 17, 2012 Author Posted January 17, 2012 That's because they're the same company.. I know Pete I'm chuckling as I write this sometimes I amaze myself at just not being able to spot the wood from the trees hahaha. At least I figured out which city the Memphis Records label was based in...... derek x
Pete S Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I know Pete I'm chuckling as I write this sometimes I amaze myself at just not being able to spot the wood from the trees hahaha. At least I figured out which city the Memphis Records label was based in...... derek x
boba Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 De-vel Records was another short lived - less than 6 releases - label that operated out of New York City circa 1973. Keni Lewis, Jackie Milton and Madeline & the Monticellos spring to mind. random fact that doesn't have anything to do with the thread -- madeline and the monticellos were from Buffalo, NY and actually are exactly the same group as on the Detroit Red Cap label.
Steve L Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Great subject for a thread Derek, love to see/collect them Any more unusual/rare ones out there?
Diggin' Dave Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Great unusual sleeve on this one. I used to own a copy without the sleeve andit just didn't feel the same!
Sebastian Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 The following is a fantastic site for those of us who are into collecting 45 sleeves: https://45-sleeves.com/ For US releases, click "US sleeves" at the top left. 2
boba Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Great unusual sleeve on this one. I used to own a copy without the sleeve andit just didn't feel the same! i've seen this before but this is a lot cooler than I remember it. I thought it had a traditional "pic sleeve", not a decorated regular sleeve (which looks cooler in this case).
Guest Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I will admit if I get a nice company record sleeve and its a bit creased I will iron it I know Im sad P.S. Dont tell the wife I iron lol
Guest Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Took a while to track this one down Very nice talking of rare sleeves how rare are the general america sleeves ? I have never seen one for real except a scan
Philippe Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 The following is a fantastic site for those of us who are into collecting 45 sleeves: https://45-sleeves.com/ Great site, thanks Sebastian !
Paul Dunn Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 HI Derek, Did a similar thread a few years back. Regards Paul
Guest Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Does anybody else think those new reproduction sleeves just dont look right with the record even if the records mint they seem to look to clean to me.
Kris Holmes Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 When I ran into unplayed Memphis stock a few years back it was pretty beautiful to see runs of Memphis 45s all just chilling untouched in the company sleeve, I hadn't even thought there was a company sleeve before that.
boba Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 When I ran into unplayed Memphis stock a few years back it was pretty beautiful to see runs of Memphis 45s all just chilling untouched in the company sleeve, I hadn't even thought there was a company sleeve before that. I didn't even see that stuff when I was digging in memphis. And that label has a big chicago connection and a lot of the records were hits here ... but this is the first time i saw that sleeve.
Steve Plumb Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I didn't even see that stuff when I was digging in memphis. And that label has a big chicago connection and a lot of the records were hits here ... but this is the first time i saw that sleeve. I found half a dozen unplayed copies of The Girls on Memphis a couple of years ago, all with the Memphis sleeve. Think everyone who bought them got a pleasant surprise when they were delivered
boba Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 I found half a dozen unplayed copies of The Girls on Memphis a couple of years ago, all with the Memphis sleeve. Think everyone who bought them got a pleasant surprise when they were delivered I've been told that the Girls were from Chicago but nobody else I've asked remembered them.
The Yank Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Does anybody know anything about the Girls?? There's only one singer on "The Hurt's Still Here" and I think on the flipside too. The voice seems very familiar- almost like Rhetta Hughes or Jo Armstead. So... who 's doing the vocal ?
boba Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Does anybody know anything about the Girls?? There's only one singer on "The Hurt's Still Here" and I think on the flipside too. The voice seems very familiar- almost like Rhetta Hughes or Jo Armstead. So... who 's doing the vocal ? I never noticed there's no vocal group, are you sure? Someone from the Five Crowns told me the girls were from Altgeld Gardens (and he specifically knew the song "the hurt's still here" which did get local play). But nobody from the gardens that I've asked has heard of them.
The Yank Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Just played the 45- just one singer on "The Hurt's Still Here", the flip "Mark My Word" does have a group on it though.
Mr Smithy Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Took a while to track this one down Nor sure which are rarer that one or this one I've only found 3-4 of each in one piece The General American, I've never found a whole one, but a few totally trashed
boba Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Nor sure which are rarer that one or this one I've only found 3-4 of each in one piece The General American, I've never found a whole one, but a few totally trashed In my experience the dog end sleeve is rarer
paup-ine Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 The following is a fantastic site for those of us who are into collecting 45 sleeves: https://45-sleeves.com/ For US releases, click "US sleeves" at the top left. wow i got lost in there, didnt think i was an anorak, but started measuring and comparing some sleeves lol
Guest Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 https://45-sleeves.com/ Thats some hardcore stuff gonna do all my records now and become a proper anorak lol
Rick Cooper Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 In the 1970s, like most people, I would put all my best singles in card sleeves, the poly lined ones with coloured sides. I also put the polydor style middles in the US singles with the top leg pointing up and the lower ones parallel to the title, how sad is that? Over the years I sold most of the records and ended up with 7 or 8 hundred mint sleeves with no records. So one day I decided to get shot of them as I thought no one would ever want them. Before the recycling of today everything got burnt so I chucked them on a bonfire. Well, just like trying to burn a phone book it took ages with a stick to prod them about to catch alight . Loads of Okeh, Tower, Uptown, Veep, Brunswick and many small labels all up in smoke. What a plonker!! Fast forward thirty odd years and ebay sells them and I sometimes buy a 60s pop record just for the sleeve. One thing that avoided the fiery furnace was my small collection of record labels.Sometimes a record was pressed with two or more labels on one side and the top one could be removed . Over the years I collected a few hundred and stuck a lot of them on the inside top of large record box, the rest I still have somewhere. Anyone else got any of these? Records on the Memphis label (post No 4) were quite common in Manchester in the late 70s as Robinson's Records had quite a lot and all had the company sleeve. It seems strange that was common then is now rarely seen. Rick
Ernie Andrews Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 When I was in New york a few years ago they were selling packs of mint sleeves off purely as just covers for records with no intrinsic rarity value at all!
Guest eddiep Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) As far as sleeves go this is one of my fav's (with 45 included), Not seen many but aesthetically so appealing to the collector in me. P.S. Hope no one minds me asking but...... If anyone has an excellent condition spare Memphis sleeve, I could do with one please.... Will buy or trade my spare sleeves if anyone is interested ??? ATB Eddie Edited January 18, 2012 by eddiep
Kris Holmes Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 i have not seen that multi-colored Tower sleeve or label before
Diggin' Dave Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Does anybody else think those new reproduction sleeves just dont look right with the record even if the records mint they seem to look to clean to me. Yep! Feels like cheating for some reason. I bought a few a while ago and put the mathced the records with the sleeves, put 'em in the collection but the sheer thought of my beloved original 45s being surrounded by new lookalike sleeves was unbearable. Why I don't have the same feeling when putting 'em in paper or cardboard sleeves I don't know... (if anyone asks I'm fully aware of the fact that I'm an anorak )
Guest eddiep Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 i have not seen that multi-colored Tower sleeve or label before It is pretty nice eh? I paid well over what I should of for this but had to have that sleeve. Like a magnet to me when I see it. What a saddo ! Lol.
Cheapsiderecords Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 A couple from me. Rarer Vee-Jay and Modern
Guest eddiep Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 A couple from me. Rarer Vee-Jay and Modern Love the Modern sleeve. Well tough to find these are.
Robbk Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) I've posted hundreds of different company sleeves on RareSoulForum.co.uk . I've not got the time to post them all again. So, here's a link to that thread. There were a few nice ones posted by others, as well. Mine start on the third page: https://www.raresoulf...?showtopic=7436 Edited January 19, 2012 by RobbK
Kris Holmes Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 A couple from me. Rarer Vee-Jay and Modern i've seen that Vee Jay one a lot, never the Modern one though, very nice.
Kris Holmes Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I've posted hundreds of different company sleeves on RareSoulForum.co.uk . I've not got the time to post them all again. So, here's a link to that thread. There were a few nice ones posted by others, as well. Mine start on the third page: https://www.raresoulf...?showtopic=7436 doesn't work for me
boba Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Records on the Memphis label (post No 4) were quite common in Manchester in the late 70s as Robinson's Records had quite a lot and all had the company sleeve. It seems strange that was common then is now rarely seen. lots of stuff used to be common in the 70s that i wish were common now ... I think doowop collectors are much more obsessed with getting the original company sleeve for their stuff. There always used to be ads like in discoveries for people selling different label sleeves, and they were mainly 50-60s stuff.
Kris Holmes Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 lots of stuff used to be common in the 70s that i wish were common now ... i need to finish off that time machine.... if only.
Robbk Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 doesn't work for me Okay. I'll try a link direct to the page with my uploads. Click on the small images, and a large one will open: https://www.raresoulforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7436&st=30
Kris Holmes Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 nada, looks like i have to be a member to view it.
Robbk Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 i've seen that Vee Jay one a lot, never the Modern one though, very nice. The reason you haven't seen that Modern cover is because it was fom the original first run of Modern Records, used from 1957-60, rather than in the resurrected Modern (2nd series) from 1964-71.
Denbo Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Yep! Feels like cheating for some reason. I bought a few a while ago and put the mathced the records with the sleeves, put 'em in the collection but the sheer thought of my beloved original 45s being surrounded by new lookalike sleeves was unbearable. Why I don't have the same feeling when putting 'em in paper or cardboard sleeves I don't know... (if anyone asks I'm fully aware of the fact that I'm an anorak ) They're nothing but nasty 'pressings' them things. :D
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