I've been going nuts about a track 'I'm sitting in' by Shep, that a friend put on a CD for me. Does anyone have any info on who he is / was? I know someone by the same name also recorded 'Fool to fool', but it sounds like a different artist. The only Shep I can think of is James Sheppard of doo wop group Shep & the Limelites.

I've been going nuts about a track 'I'm sitting in' by Shep, that a friend put on a CD for me. Does anyone have any info on who he is / was? I know someone by the same name also recorded 'Fool to fool', but it sounds like a different artist. The only Shep I can think of is James Sheppard of doo wop group Shep & the Limelites.

I think it was actually Sidney Barnes mate

Don Gardner

Don Gardner

Yeah thats him

fool to fool and sitting in are both on the same 45 on tru glo town so its same person.

Thanks for the info. Any idea why Don Gardner used the alias?

Thanks for the info. Any idea why Don Gardner used the alias?

possibly to get round contractual obligations to someone else?

fool to fool and sitting in are both on the same 45 on tru glo town so its same person.

It's a Tru-Glo-Town production, but the label is actually TNT

It's a Tru-Glo-Town production, but the label is actually TNT

Just Thinkin' That!!

The label has Don Gardner Orch credits on it.

Apparently from what I heard and remember from some time ago this track was played to Don Gardner at Prestatyn maybe and he denied any knowledge of it and said it was definatley not him on the vocals!

Rumour had it that it was Don Gardner guising as Shep, not sure it was though, seem to recall reading an article somewhere saying it wasn't, although Don Gardner did cut at least one track for the TNT label and some for TGT.

Regards Bob

It's a Tru-Glo-Town production, but the label is actually TNT

off course it is my mistake

i've heard the don gardner speculation before but never realy had it confirmed.

lots of artists don't remember everything that they did in their career ... you sort of have to use judgement when listening to their story, like if they are extremely detail oriented, with dates, etc. versus trying to recall something that they hadn't thought about in 40 years.

this is not a comment on the don gardner record, just a general comment that might apply. i don't remember what i ate for dinner last night.

Shep has a different voice tone from that of Don Gardner. On the other hand, he also does not have the voice tone of James Shepherd, nor of Wyatt "Big Boy" Shepherd. I would bet that Shep is a completely different person from all those mentioned.

Shep on "Fool to Fool" sounds absolutely nothing like Don Gardner to my ears. Then again, Shep on "Fool to Fool" sounds nothing like Shep on "I'm Sitting In." I'm not convinced that's the same singer on both sides of that record. I could be convinced that the "I'm Sitting In" Shep is Don Gardner, but not the "Fool to Fool" Shep. If that's Don Gardner singing "Fool to Fool," I'll eat my hat.

John Noakes` dog on Blue Peter........

Shep on "Fool to Fool" sounds absolutely nothing like Don Gardner to my ears. Then again, Shep on "Fool to Fool" sounds nothing like Shep on "I'm Sitting In." I'm not convinced that's the same singer on both sides of that record. I could be convinced that the "I'm Sitting In" Shep is Don Gardner, but not the "Fool to Fool" Shep. If that's Don Gardner singing "Fool to Fool," I'll eat my hat.

interesting that I could be 2 people on each side. I've not listened to this for a long time and don't have a copy anaymore but never realy considered this .

When Don Gardner first came over here he went to dinner with Andy Dyson, Mick H and myself. He was shown Cheating Kind for the first time, he had never seen it before and he told us it was released without his knowledge.

We also asked Don if Shep was indeed him and we showed him a copy of e record. He said it wasn't him, that I remember as clear as day.

However, he later changed his mind and said it was him, probably after listening to "I'm Sitting In" and thinking "well it does sound like me".

I'm with Matt in that on side could be him and th either doesn't sound much like him at all.

As Bob says many artists can't remember much at all and many were unaware what was happening to their recordings some of the time, Ray Agee on Soultown and Don Gardner highlight that fact.

When Don Gardner first came over here he went to dinner with Andy Dyson, Mick H and myself. He was shown Cheating Kind for the first time, he had never seen it before and he told us it was released without his knowledge.

We also asked Don if Shep was indeed him and we showed him a copy of e record. He said it wasn't him, that I remember as clear as day.

However, he later changed his mind and said it was him, probably after listening to "I'm Sitting In" and thinking "well it does sound like me".

I'm with Matt in that on side could be him and th either doesn't sound much like him at all.

As Bob says many artists can't remember much at all and many were unaware what was happening to their recordings some of the time, Ray Agee on Soultown and Don Gardner highlight that fact.

With you three sat across from him,he's going to change his mind. .I'd have sung it if i'd have been there. .

Seriously,no-one's sure then?

Now, HERE'S a record with someone else's name on it that sounds like Don Gardner:

doesn't don gardner sound like chuck jackson though? there are a set of singers with similar voices. Doesn't the ed townsend record on T-G-T also sound similar?

With you three sat across from him,he's going to change his mind. .I'd have sung it if i'd have been there. .

Seriously,no-one's sure then?

He did have Lou Pride to back him up though.......

RobbK, funny I should see you here. Anyone else from the DooWop forum posting here?

could it have been shep grant?

does sound a bit like him,

could it have been shep grant?

does sound a bit like him,

The guy's voice is much deeper in the first clip (shep grant) than the second one (shep). Still might be possible and a good guess though.

The guy's voice is much deeper in the first clip (shep grant) than the second one (shep). Still might be possible and a good guess though.

Good shout yes but its quite a long way from Fool to Fool dont you thing bob?

Good shout yes but its quite a long way from Fool to Fool dont you thing bob?

sure, I have no idea what's going on with the record and if there's a different singer on each side. I was just commenting on the previous post's speculation.

I have a 45 by Val Martin (aka Donnie Elbert) on All Platinum. It usually comes with the same song on both sides. I recently got a stock copy with a different b-side. The b-side they put on there is clearly not donnie elbert. It could be a similar situation here where they really meant to promo one side and threw an unrelated thing on the flip ... doesn't this record also exist with one side? this is also just speculation.

The guy's voice is much deeper in the first clip (shep grant) than the second one (shep). Still might be possible and a good guess though.

there is allot more depth to Shep Grant recording, than Shep, (TNT), surly the best way to distinguish is through the annotation...

it's not the same guy is it?

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RobbK, funny I should see you here. Anyone else from the DooWop forum posting here?

Where's this doo-wop forum??

... doesn't this record also exist with one side? this is also just speculation.

Don't think it does, my copy is a white demo, and has both sides.

Don't think it does, my copy is a white demo, and has both sides.

there goes my stupid theory (although they still could have thrown another artist as filler on the flip but not that likely).

RobbK, funny I should see you here. Anyone else from the DooWop forum posting here?

I don't think that anyone else from there is here (at least not regularly). Why did YOU come here? As you know, I've been listening to Black American music (R&B, Blues, Gospel and Jazz) music since 1951, and collecting records since 1953. I liked so-called "Soul" music, when it came in in the 1960s (mainly 1960-65). In 1965, Funk music started creeping into the Soul play lists. By mid '66 or early '67. I couldn't listen to the radio anymore, but was still buying records. I still liked almost all Motown and "Chicago Sound" cuts, and sweet Soul from Phildelphia and New York, in a similar style to the 1962-64 early Soul and R&B/Soul transition period. Over the past 15 years or so, Northern Soulies have learned to appreciate cuts from the early '60s. So, I am here at this forum to discuss and learn about records I somehow missed in the '60s.

P.S. I just saw your "New Guy" thread. So, now I know why you came here. I had forgotten about your group's '60s cut that was getting play in Northern clubs. Glad to hear that you're becoming a "cult icon". Your knowledge of the business back in the day will be very welcomed here.

Edited January 16, 201213 yr by RobbK

Why did YOU come here?

Robb, I love how your post was accusatory like you were scolding him for joining soul source when he didn't deserve it.

Shame on me.

Robb should one of us post a link to the doowop site?

I think it was originally by invitation because our Yahoo group was deleted.

Personally, I feel the more the merrier, because maybe 15 people post out of about 700 members.

Shame on me.

Robb should one of us post a link to the doowop site?

I think it was originally by invitation because our Yahoo group was deleted.

Personally, I feel the more the merrier, because maybe 15 people post out of about 700 members.

Yes! Absolutely! There's very little action there. I agree. The more the merrier. Larry, why don't you go ahead and post the link. I think there are members here who also like vocal group harmony going back into the '50s, and probably a lot more who, at least, like VGH from 1959-64 (which is discussed on our forum).

Robb, I love how your post was accusatory like you were scolding him for joining soul source when he didn't deserve it.

Ha! Ha! - It looks like I'm playing "Doo Wop Fan Cop" here. I was just very surprised, because so many Group Harmony fans look down on "Soul Music" from 1964 and after, and, actually treat even group harmony music from 1958-64 as second class to 1952-1957. But, like Larry, there are a few people (like myself) that like '60s Soul music on that forum.

Edited January 17, 201213 yr by RobbK

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I think that Shep on TNT COULD be Shep Grant. Their voices sound a bit different. But, on the Musicor cut, he is going "way deep", emulating Jimmy Ricks. That could just be two registers lower than on his TNT cut, but the same voice. A New York Baritone singer using the name "Shep" in the mid '60s fills the bill. The TNT guy doesn't sound like James Shepperd, Kenny Shepherd, or Wyatt "Big Boy" Shepherd. Who else could it be? It's not Bunky!

I think that Shep on TNT COULD be Shep Grant. Their voices sound a bit different. But, on the Musicor cut, he is going "way deep", emulating Jimmy Ricks. That could just be two registers lower than on his TNT cut, but the same voice. A New York Baritone singer using the name "Shep" in the mid '60s fills the bill. The TNT guy doesn't sound like James Shepperd, Kenny Shepherd, or Wyatt "Big Boy" Shepherd. Who else could it be? It's not Bunky!

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what happened to your DooWop forum?

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what happened to your DooWop forum?

Everyone died? Anyways, I assumed the forum would be mail-based as most members don't have computers or phones..

Sorry for the cheap shots, couldn't let this go by.

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Edited January 23, 201213 yr by Lorenzo1950

Shep Grant was one of Ray Pollards Wanderers, The TNT recordings of Fool and Sitting in sound like to totaly different artists, Fool sounds like John Hampton but its not him.

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