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Just wanted to gather peoples thoughts/personal definitions/opinions on what they consider cross over soul?

Include tracks and atrists too if possible?

Thanks

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Citizen P
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Who Cares ???? Which looks harsh, but really isn't. If I hear a tune and I like it, it doesn't matter to me which box you try to for

boba
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There is a lot of good quality soul that isn't northern or crossover.

Jumpinjoan
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He's a new member so can be shown a little mercy I think. Crossover is many things to many people. I still struggle with what it is and I've been into soul music two thirds of my life! We

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He's a new member so can be shown a little mercy I think. Crossover is many things to many people. I still struggle with what it is and I've been into soul music two thirds of my life!

Welcome to Soul Source :thumbsup:

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Citizen P Veteran

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Who Cares ????

Which looks harsh, but really isn't.

If I hear a tune and I like it, it doesn't matter to me which box you try to force it into.

A good tune is a good tune.

ATB

Tony

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Pete S Veteran

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Sorry - welcome to SS.

Best Russ

No you are right though, someone put a link up to the last 5 or 6 debates we've had on this subject, the last one was only 3 weeks ago, this will only end up with the same people saying the same things, sorry Sean but this debate always ends in tears and angst! When you read the other debates you'll see what I mean.

Jumpinjoan Veteran

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Here's a link to a topic where it's mainly just recommendations rather than tortuous debate on the exact meaning of the term:

That's what I mean. A lot of the stuff in there I would class a northern not crossover.

Like what you like and to hell with labels :thumbsup:

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Guest seanbailey1983

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Cheers all

Thanks for the link - should give me enough info

Didn't realise it had been debated over and over!

Guest gordon russell

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When you stand in a nighter at 4 O'Clock and everyone is leaving because of the dj.........thats crossover :wave::wicked:


Guest gordon russell

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He's a new member so can be shown a little mercy I think. Crossover is many things to many people. I still struggle with what it is and I've been into soul music two thirds of my life!

Welcome to Soul Source :thumbsup:

What?..........since you were 11 :D

Little-stevie Veteran

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Its soul music, real soul music for thinkers and people with inner feelings....

Not for some of the dead ears and " uptempo terrorists " :shhh:

Only joking :lol:

It means different things to many folk and like so many other topics, one mans rice pudding is another mans dog shit...

All eggs in one basket..

Its soul or nothing...

Dylan Veteran

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Cheers all

Thanks for the link - should give me enough info

Didn't realise it had been debated over and over!

There are about 4 or 5 topics that get continually discussed time and time again and in between them we get a few interesting threads.

Mike Veteran

Mike

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There are about 4 or 5 topics that get continually discussed time and time again and in between them we get a few interesting threads.

nah, dont agree

loads of decent threads all the time on here

the trick is that you start threads about things you wanna talk about

try it

Anais nin Carms Veteran

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Goodness me , this is a difficult question , we tie ourselves up so many times trying to catagorise soul it gets very confusing , for me its better to describe what it isn't and I could be wrong because my opinion is not gospel , its just my take on it .

Its not northern , its not fast , its not girly like the saphires for example , its not modern , its not detroit sounding . I think it can lean to southern sounding ,its mellow and its fresh , not the norm its anything that is unusual "out of the box" .

I have found Nev a good source of education in the CD's he did for me.

My fave sounds are

Top tune for me is Daniel Madison - It don't matter baby

Rare Gems Odessy - It don't take much , absulute maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajic , and cheap

Clay Brown .......anything by him

Clinton Parks - Masterplan

Irene Scott - Everyday worries

Cornell Guntor - In my heart

boba Veteran

boba

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nah, dont agree

loads of decent threads all the time on here

the trick is that you start threads about things you wanna talk about

try it

well this part is definitely true: "There are about 4 or 5 topics that get continually discussed time and time again"

Mike Veteran

Mike

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well this part is definitely true: "There are about 4 or 5 topics that get continually discussed time and time again"

I would disagree with "continually"

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forum/1-all-about-the-soul/

sure have ones like dislikes etc that hang around for a while

but on other hand when was the last boot related one ?

end of day its you out there make it what it is

if you feel that could do with some new topics then why not start some ?

boba Veteran

boba

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end of day its you out there make it what it is

if you feel that could do with some new topics then why not start some ?

I'm not bitching about the lack of topics, I was just pointing out that certain topics have been created many times and continue to be created. i do create topics. anyways, i've said enough on this. thanks for dealing with this site, i know it must be annoying when people complain after you put so much time and energy into the site. thanks a lot.

Mike Veteran

Mike

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I'm not bitching about the lack of topics, I was just pointing out that certain topics have been created many times and continue to be created. i do create topics. anyways, i've said enough on this. thanks for dealing with this site, i know it must be annoying when people complain after you put so much time and energy into the site. thanks a lot.

and im not bitching about anyone bitching

just trying to get a general point across to all members that they can influence what gets talked about on here

thats all

Dylan Veteran

Dylan

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and im not bitching about anyone bitching

just trying to get a general point across to all members that they can influence what gets talked about on here

thats all

I do enjoy the site and continue to read and comment in threads but there are a few topics that I ignore now as they are done to death.

I'm sure I must've started a few threads I(hopefully interesting to some) in my time on here and have enjoyed the deep soul swaps and taken part in a least 4 of the recent ones.

Mike Veteran

Mike

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I do enjoy the site and continue to read and comment in threads but there are a few topics that I ignore now as they are done to death.

I'm sure I must've started a few threads I(hopefully interesting to some) in my time on here and have enjoyed the deep soul swaps and taken part in a least 4 of the recent ones.

yep put my hands up, my earlier post was a bit off

guess just being a bit too defensive today on site stuff

apoligies

Kris Holmes Veteran

Kris Holmes

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Just wanted to gather peoples thoughts/personal definitions/opinions on what they consider cross over soul?

Include tracks and atrists too if possible?

Thanks

just go to youtube & type crossover soul in the search box & see what comes up.

Dylan Veteran

Dylan

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yep put my hands up, my earlier post was a bit off

guess just being a bit too defensive today on site stuff

apoligies

I also felt I had to respond to my initial post as I also thought I was being a bit too negative.


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Alongside of giving examples which is a hep to me,cos I ain't got a clue what "crossover"'is could some one define the term crossover?

This is a genuine quest for knowledge not a piss take

Maria O Long Time

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Alongside of giving examples which is a hep to me,cos I ain't got a clue what "crossover"'is could some one define the term crossover?

This is a genuine quest for knowledge not a piss take

If you do a word search in the forum, you will probably find other threads on the subject and realise there is a bit of a debate on the definition. For me, it means a crossing over of styles (soul meets another) and most likely to be a late 60s to early 70s track. But I am sure others will disagree on that and whether a named song even falls into the category. One person's "crossover" can be another person's "70's modern" or just "disco funk" - and I've even heard what I'd simply call "60s soul", described as crossover. One thing's for sure IMHO, depending on where you're personally at with your soul tastes and recording years, seems to influence opinion.

Also, various "crossover" (aka "xover") compilations were put out which may help you gain your own understanding- google the Kent and Goldmine LP's/CD catalogues and look for these, for a start. Also, the audio section would likely have crossover forum threads running where people nominate their tunes (and you can listen via youtube links or refosoul I'm assuming).

These forums can be a bit of a bitch at times, so hope the above helps in your quest.

m

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Guest Perception

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Just wanted to gather peoples thoughts/personal definitions/opinions on what they consider cross over soul?

Crossover is a record that can fit into a Northern Soul DJ set or a (so called) Modern Soul DJ set.

Guest Jerri

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stuff for selling or eating cakes to....

and RnB is for "Sadling up yer pony to" :thumbup:

Steve L Veteran

Steve L

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Alongside of giving examples which is a hep to me,cos I ain't got a clue what "crossover"'is could some one define the term crossover?

This is a genuine quest for knowledge not a piss take

60s soul has a definite style to it, 70s soul also has a definite style to it - the two are completely different and fairly easy to identify one from the other.

Records from say 68-72 can have elements of both decades in them and are less easy to define.

In general thats all there is to it really, I dont know why people have to complicate thing with loads of different theories as to what crossover is

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Thats crossover, no funk in there to my ears though.

Funk shoudn't even come into the equation IMO

yeah youre right..I really dont know if its called Northern,Crossover,funk or what..but to me its good ol sweet soul

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boba Veteran

boba

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My definition and I,m right OK . good quality soul that doesnt quite fit the Northern soul template , will that do ? :P

There is a lot of good quality soul that isn't northern or crossover.

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Guest giant

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I'm trying Russ, I'm trying...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Guest giant

Guest giant

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Lots of people get CROSS over it !

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