Pete Waterman Northern Soul

[Steve G]

ps and ofcourse it might also get a few more out of the living rooms who havnt danced for years

Agggrrrhhhh no, not more people requesting Holly St James and Paul Anka please Dean!!!

[Guest Bearsy]

Agggrrrhhhh no, not more people requesting Holly St James and Paul Anka please Dean!!!

take them out your playbox then Steve

[Tabs]

Nice one Miss Earnshaw.

Haven't read the whole of the thread so not sure if people are, or aren't getting their knickers in a twist, but I was late for work this morning because I watched it, was is worth it?? Hell yes!!!

I thought PW came over extremely well & I howled at his false teeth comment (still chuckling when I think about it)

I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over it, mock it, or dissect it. My life's too short

Well done BBC !!

Ali x

ps it was great apologising to my boss for my lateness, blamed it on Northern Soul, something I've never owned up to before especially on a Monday morning ;o) Right, better sign off, I have some time to make up x

[Guest ScooterNik]

Looks to me like people on here can't seperate the 'real' PW from the 'media' PW.

What you see isn't what you get in real life. After my last post on here, I remembered I knew someone who knew him, and he reckons that yes, Pete is a soul fan, no, he's not an all nighter goer (apparently he's actually quite a private person who wouldn't like to be recognised...O.....K....!) and yes, he was never any sort of leader on the soul DJing scene, but then never pretended to, realising that the money he could make on the pop side was much greater than on the soul side.

To me that says 'savvy enough to know where to make a crust, and also to know when you're not up to the mark'.

[Winnie :-)]

well he said a couple of stupid things and said a few true things as expected really....but i think the type of youngster who will actually sit up and listen to northern wont be bothered with what pw says...and thats type we want...those that arent gonna bother about the piss taking just like we didnt/dont.....yes shame we didnt hear more from elaine but im sure she would agree all publicity for the film is good publicity....

surely its better than no body in the media ever talking about northern at all?....if you keep it to yourself in 20 years time it will be gone....with more youngsters who will be bitten like us for life it might be still about...and you never know we might get some of our money back on our vinyl too!

dean

ps and ofcourse it might also get a few more out of the living rooms who havnt danced for years

I've been saying this for about the last 15 years, and I'm completely wrong. Every time I go out, there are new people appearing, granted they may not all be following northern in the traditional way, but there's still a reasonably constant flow. People in their late thirties early forties want somewhere to go out, and the northern scene is as good a place as any it seems to me. I think that's the main reason the scene has become so fractured over the last decade and why so many oldies events have come to the fore. Pete Waterman's words probably won't suit the purists, but it will raise some interest, which can't be a totally bad thing?

[Guest]

and lets not forget the Beautiful , scouse red head Sonia , voice of an angel and FIT !!!!!

You need glasses mate, she has a face like a melted wellington!!!

[Winnie :-)]

You need glasses mate, she has a face like a melted wellington!!!

What a brilliant description

[Stevie T]

You need glasses mate, she has a face like a melted wellington!!!

fiiiiiiiiiitt and made of rubber , whats not to like

[Spacehopper]

Agggrrrhhhh no, not more people requesting Holly St James and Paul Anka please Dean!!!

yeah i did wonder when i wrote that would it be good for the soul scene as a whole or just the oldies scene!

[Guest]

I can remember well a bunch of miners at the front of the stage dancing around their lamps

[Vynilhound]

I have nothing against PW and he is obviously " trying" to be entertaining but he has made some sweeping generalisations and given that he is saying that tonight's programme is going to be a documentary I do hope he can be a bit more accurate in what he says. Who decide he is the spokes person for the Soul lovers?

I think the stuff about the floor at Wigan being full of coal miners& no ladies, whilst amusing, is both patronising and wrong. There is no point ranting on about it as all of us that were there know what it was like, and those that were not,never will.

Has anyone listened to PW on radio 6 with Stuart Marconi promoting the " documentary" unbelivable,then to top it off they played the Ian Levine You Tube version of Lou Johnson; Unsatisfied. No disrespect to Mr Johnson or Mr Levine, but it is not a reflection of the 45 that was/is played, why? It's almost as bad as getting one of those Top Of The Pops albums for Christmas by not the real artist, even though this was of course and at 75 a bloody good effort. Just cant understand why they chose to play that version.

Nothing good for the scene will come from any media attention, never has.

God rest ye merry gentlemen, Merry Christmas one and all

Tiny Andy Cratchet

[Garethx]

Yes, Pete Waterman's contribution was banal and predictable. But it was also enthusiastic.

Bottom line is that the teaser for Elaine's film was shown to a national audience numbering in the millions. That's got to be a good thing for the project. To succeed as a film it must break out of a ghetto of 'scene only' acceptance. The word must get out to a wider audience than the few hundred who go to venues, buy records or post on internet message boards in order to get the film made.

There's the potential here to create something meaningful and memorable which has the rare soul scene at its heart and where the values which got us all interested in the first place are central to it.

Would Elaine have got on without The Hitman? Highly doubtful.

Let's look at the positives in all of this.

[Guest Bearsy]

Yes, Pete Waterman's contribution was banal and predictable. But it was also enthusiastic.

Bottom line is that the teaser for Elaine's film was shown to a national audience numbering in the millions. That's got to be a good thing for the project. To succeed as a film it must break out of a ghetto of 'scene only' acceptance. The word must get out to a wider audience than the few hundred who go to venues, buy records or post on internet message boards in order to get the film made.

There's the potential here to create something meaningful and memorable which has the rare soul scene at its heart and where the values which got us all interested in the first place are central to it.

Would Elaine have got on without The Hitman? Highly doubtful.

Let's look at the positives in all of this.

What are the potential positives out of this for the scene and what are the potential negatives out of this for the scene, more people attending soul nights/nighters that have never tasted the scene before are good for who and what, more people that dont get the scene imho could do more damage to the scene, if another 10,000 non soulies take a look at what the scene is about how many will get it ?? what possible damage could be done by those that dont and never will get it, not being negative just rying to be honest as i have read many a time and been to many a doo when non soulies have ruined soulies nights out, hand bag thefts, women being touched up, men having the piss taken out of them dancing, piss heads drinking on the dance floor, hen partys with lots of under dressed sexy women (positive)

positives, fuller venues, potentail new blood young and old, fresh enthusiasm, new friends,

to me the scene is what it is and peeps coming and going in dribs and drabs fine but a mass inclusion of peeps searching for something different imho would have a more negative affect but hey its only my opinion

anyone else have any thoughts on this ???

btw Gareth not directed at you just used your post to pose my thoughts

[Guest allnightandy]

I can remember well a bunch of miners at the front of the stage dancing around their lamps

I think They were more your amateur Chemists who mainly worked nights !

[Guest MrC]

positives, fuller venues, potentail new blood young and old, fresh enthusiasm, new friends,

to me the scene is what it is and peeps coming and going in dribs and drabs fine but a mass inclusion of peeps searching for something different imho would have a more negative affect but hey its only my opinion

anyone else have any thoughts on this ???

Everyone had to start somewhere. There is another thread about how you first heard northern soul and got on to the scene, interesting reading, and everyone has their own story - even if hearing some tunes at the youth club, a party etc seem quite a common way. Now, they can look up tunes and flyers for soul nights etc on the internet.

There is a wealth of information out there to help them make their minds up before they step out of the house.

Wigan went through the pissed general public being nosey thing when it was voted Disco of the year, and there was a piece in the times, This is England was on TV, and the "scene" survived that, and it's not an isolated example.

What would people who had their interest piqued by the PW broadcast/radio show/documentary think if they found this website and saw people slagging off everyone who'd ever danced round a handbag, couldn't tell the difference between an original and a pressing, and who hadn't been into the "scene" since their teens?

They wouldn't get a good impression of what the soul scene is all about would they? They wouldn't get that it's a small scene where everyone knows everyone else, they wouldn't get the passion for the music, or the help that we give to each other and the artists themselves in times of need. They'd just read a bunch of miserable old gits moaning about anyone who didn't know as much as they did.

AND WE'RE NOT REALLY LIKE THAT!!

[Spacehopper]

^{to be honest i dont think there will ever be a mass in flux of people as in the 70s after TOTP which i know a lot of people thought ruined wigan,remember in the 70s the choice was very slim..disco,pop glam or prog rock?...a lot werent even able to hear reggae except what was played on radio one on the major labels....today there are so many genres and most youngsters will stick to the 'dance' music of today i think...but hopefully this film will increase the numbers in a way where it wont be detramental to the scene and those joining will do because they like it and not to take the piss as we have all witnessed at venues....}

^{we often get youngsters and non soulies at go go children....some of the youngsters know it is 60s soul and come for that reason but others are just passing by and come in and get off on the buzz some have a good night but dont come back while others become regulars... at the moment not travelling outside of bristol but who knows in a few years}

^{occasionally one may take the piss but soon gives up as hes the the odd one out looking a dick...after 4 years it certainly hasnt been a problem for us}

^dean

[Garethx]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to speculate exactly what the positives might be but my over-riding interest in all of this is that if a film should be made using the Northern Soul scene as its source material that it should be given the best chance to succeed by having a soul fan at the helm. Elaine's film is the best chance we'll ever have of accomplishing that aim. A wonderfully talented director now has the chance to create something with the potential to live outside of the normal (pretty rotten) experience the scene has had with the mainstream media.

If the film happened to be commercially successful I don't think it would necessarily follow that it would have a massive impact in the ways Bearsy mentions above. I enjoyed Trainspotting but it didn't make we want to move to Edinburgh and become a heroin addict.

I don't know if the reason for making the film is to Save The Scene, or increase venue attendances or to ensure there is someone to sell our records to when we all peg it.

None of those considerations would ever go away if the film were not to be made or if the idea of the film never existed. That is a fact.

Elaine is a film-maker who wishes to tell a story or convey a series of emotions about her life and her experiences first and foremost. Getting a feature film off the ground is a tremendously difficult enterprise and any reservations about aspects of the publicity machine inherent in that process have to be put into the correct context.

[Pete S]

Nothing wrong with that tv spot really, apart from the fact that people will now think that Northern Soul is nothing but f*cking acrobatics when that died out 35 years ago. Pete W seems like a good chap.

Edited December 20, 2011 by Pete S

[Garethx]

If the original scene ever had a message or a creed it was that young peoples' lives didn't have to be directed by a central government committee or a cartel of record company heads and television executives in London. You could hold your own allnight dances. Find your own anthems and take all the strange substances that The Men didn't want you to try. You could dress in the way you wanted to rather than in the way 'tastemakers' in some brainstorming session hundreds of miles away decided. You could travel the country and meet up with people who felt the same way. Above all you didn't have to settle for things generations of people had been expected to settle for. You could escape. For eight hours on a Saturday night. Or for a whole lifetime.

With more millionaires in the Cabinet than at any time since the 1930s, Little Mix at the top of the charts and tax-dodging Phillip Green dominating the High Street (in between the riots and strikes) I think those values should be as relevant as ever.

[Mike Lofthouse]

Here is some early footage from the early days of the scene not used in the 'This England' film .....................................

Edited December 20, 2011 by Mike Lofthouse

[Steve G]

take them out your playbox then Steve

Never had them, unlike you Paul.

[Vynilhound]

Quality Mike!

Here is some early footage from the early days of the scene not used in the 'This England' film .....................................

[Little-stevie]

The same questions and insights as with the Soul Boy project, the difference being that most seem to have more confidence in the final outcome this time round, time will tell as ever.. So maybe hold fire, there is gonna be plenty of time to comment when the film comes out...

This thing about what impact the film will have, who the fu£k knows, not you or i, some are saying little while others are saying its gonna start a soul tsunami ( what about that for the name of a night ), maybe some cheesy promoter will take that up .. Some are talking about these films having the impact of Quadrophenia proportions, very hard to make that call, its 2011 and not 1979, social conditions are so different... As Gareth says, for this film to be a hit you must involve a certain ammount of commercial ventures for it to " get out of the ghetto"..

I am sure Elaine knows that a delicate balance will be required to make it a hit while keeping "its cool"....

Now back on topic.. Pete Waterman and northern soul, its always the same lookbacks 30/40 years ago, footage of wigan/ talk of the wheel, bla bla bla bla.. Then when we do get Pete talking of a recent soul experience its the Wheel and gags about teeth and over 65s ( i quite liked that in a cheesy way ),,The BBC woman talking of once having a boyfreind into northern soul, thats the theme, once a long time ago.. But while we have films set in the mid 70s, Function at the Junction, Soul Boy and this new film then i guess the same stuff will be thrown out when the media give it press or airtime...

Good luck with the film to all who have worked so hard on it..

Edited December 20, 2011 by little-stevie

[Pete S]

Here is some early footage from the early days of the scene not used in the 'This England' film .....................................

I love that track, never seen the video before

[Steve G]

Yep watched it now and thought it was pretty good. Some good clips of the "teaser".

Sian went out with someone on the scene who was that then?

Elaine came across well and I thought PW did OK as well. There's always going to be a bit of poetic license with BBC Breakfast which is aimed at a mass market, not at our closed world, and the joke about leaving your teeth at the front door was quite funny and probably not too far off the mark at some venues.

This interview is not going to affect people attending upfront venues, and if it helps Elaine get more financing for her film, then that's great.

Edited December 20, 2011 by Steve G

[Winnie :-)]

Got the clip from this morning on my facebook page, but don't know how to get it onto soul source. If anybody does know how, please feel free to nick it from my profile and put it up so everyone can see it.

Cheers

Winnie

[Pete Eccles]

Got the clip from this morning on my facebook page, but don't know how to get it onto soul source. If anybody does know how, please feel free to nick it from my profile and put it up so everyone can see it.

Cheers

Winnie

It's already on here Winnie, post #191

[Mach]

classic post Mike :lol:

[Smudger]

M Lofthouse wrote:-

Here is some early footage from the early days of the scene not used in the 'This England' film

This thread was worth it just for that clip 10 out of 10 loved it !!!!!!

[Ceejay]

Personally if someone wants to make a film about 'Northern Soul'.............why can't they do something about the current scene rather than focusing on Wigan Casino, The Mecca, etc, etc.

Don't focus on the nostalgia..........focus on the here and now!!!

Many comments on here about young folk getting into the scene..............Christ I would hate it if they thought that's the way it all still is!!!

The Scene has evolved...................if anybody else wants to make another film, just take the cameras to somewhere like Bidds or Radcliffe where there are different rooms playing so many different sounds or soul nights that don't just play overplayed oldies!!!

OK that's my bit said............I'm outta here!!!

Edited December 20, 2011 by Carol J

[Guest ritchie]

Really sorry,,,,, Thought it was Miners dancing to Gonna be a Big thing - The Sapphires .. doh

[tosspot]

Here is some early footage from the early days of the scene not used in the 'This England' film .....................................

I've Had this Album for some time, having 1st heard it on one of my sons cds when he was 15, he's 30 now , great track, great post, thanks

[Tony Jackson]

Did my eyes decieve me? or was that Paul Sadot in a dodgy sirrup playing the newsreader in the clip

[Little-stevie]

Did my eyes decieve me? or was that Paul Sadot in a dodgy sirrup playing the newsreader in the clip

... I think you know the answer mate..

See you on Boxing day, gonna pop in and its your round....

[Tony Jackson]

Bloody hell, my round!.... doesn't seem like 5 minutes since Cleethorpes!....you weren't likely to forget that half of barley water though..

[jocko]

Personally if someone wants to make a film about 'Northern Soul'.............why can't they do something about the current scene rather than focusing on Wigan Casino, The Mecca, etc, etc.

Don't focus on the nostalgia..........focus on the here and now!!!

Many comments on here about young folk getting into the scene..............Christ I would hate it if they thought that's the way it all still is!!!

The Scene has evolved...................if anybody else wants to make another film, just take the cameras to somewhere like Bidds or Radcliffe where there are different rooms playing so many different sounds or soul nights that don't just play overplayed oldies!!!

OK that's my bit said............I'm outta here!!!

Because then it would be a f**cking documentary not a film. And as much as Bidds and Radcliffe are 2 of the few places I would go to if I wasn't too apathetic to leave my barstool in Edinburgh for more than it takes for my gin injection, I certainly don't think I would go to the cinema to see Mace, Andy D, Chris W, as lovely men as they all are and as great records they have etc spinning their wares and greeting their customers for 8 hours, not really rivetting cinema would it be.

I seem to see lots of directors doing their first film about the past and something they love, so why not this, Nobody seemed to mind Shane Meadows doing his films based on over 20 years ago so what is logic about this.

Why can no-one see this is a film and therefore judge it as you would any other film, its not about today's scene and why should it be?

[jocko]

What are the potential positives out of this for the scene and what are the potential negatives out of this for the scene, more people attending soul nights/nighters that have never tasted the scene before are good for who and what, more people that dont get the scene imho could do more damage to the scene, if another 10,000 non soulies take a look at what the scene is about how many will get it ?? what possible damage could be done by those that dont and never will get it, not being negative just rying to be honest as i have read many a time and been to many a doo when non soulies have ruined soulies nights out, hand bag thefts, women being touched up, men having the piss taken out of them dancing, piss heads drinking on the dance floor, hen partys with lots of under dressed sexy women (positive)

positives, fuller venues, potentail new blood young and old, fresh enthusiasm, new friends,

to me the scene is what it is and peeps coming and going in dribs and drabs fine but a mass inclusion of peeps searching for something different imho would have a more negative affect but hey its only my opinion

anyone else have any thoughts on this ???

btw Gareth not directed at you just used your post to pose my thoughts

Why does it have to have any relevance to the scene Paul, its a film, and should be based on film rules and will it be a good film is surely only criteria. Elaine is putting her heart and soul, and unbelievable time into this, so as Gareth says if anyone can do it she can.

I suppose the only parallel is Quadrophenia, which did result in lots of people joining, but that was more about an ongoing Mod revival which seems to be happening anyway today. So surely that is more likely to swamp the scene with youngsters and from what I can see no-one seems to have a problem with the young guys starting up city centre nights, which surely is more relevant to todays "upfront" scene, or at least the one you are interested in. This seems to be happening anyway,and getting good praise, therefore I doubt the sort of people that go to these nights or search out the more authentic side are really likely to be influenced by much other than what they judge is cool, otherwise they aren't worth worrying about to be honest.

To be honest, with the maze of scenes out there anyway, why would anyone getting back into it because of any film find their way through to the same scene as you inhabit anyway, surely they would find their way back to the oldies scene, which as you say already have their problems anyway and to be honest I suspect are full of returnees anyway, why would an new infusion be any different to what has been happening there for the last 10 years. .

To be honest mate, if you think either PW or a film is the biggest threat to any decent Northern scene that still exists you have taken your eye of the ball, it seems to doing a good job of imploding all on its own and I think any rush of new (aka old returnees with no teeth) blood would be almost invisible to it. Kev Roberts would likely be one of the main beneficaries

Edited December 20, 2011 by jocko

[Haydn]

The edges are getting blurred already, Elaine looks like she is doing a fine job portraying the scene as it was, in film, better than other big screen ventures.

Pete is there as celebrity(?) platform, probably without which, films like this would never be publicised because it is still a small section of the music scene through the years.

If you are in the know, it wont matter. Try looking at it as if you didnt know about the scene and the perspective is totally different.

H

[Guest]

Its a set formula i guess to have the likes of PW on the show, good heavens, imagine a wheeling out a normal person onto the BBC couch, the viewers would run for the off button,they did allow Elaine the odd word but then back to Pete.. Thats the way the promo game goes and i should know from experience..

Mr Waterman and his comments about Jackie Wilson, no problem with that if its his true view, not one i share but we all have different ears i guess...

i think the guy who said 'you'd have to be insane to truly believe that' was spot on mate! Which means???....(No, surely he could not have been bullshitting for commercial reasons? A 'nice guy' and a 'soul fan' would have more respect for JACKIE WILSON that that wouldn't he? Surely?)....

[jocko]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to speculate exactly what the positives might be but my over-riding interest in all of this is that if a film should be made using the Northern Soul scene as its source material that it should be given the best chance to succeed by having a soul fan at the helm. Elaine's film is the best chance we'll ever have of accomplishing that aim. A wonderfully talented director now has the chance to create something with the potential to live outside of the normal (pretty rotten) experience the scene has had with the mainstream media.

If the film happened to be commercially successful I don't think it would necessarily follow that it would have a massive impact in the ways Bearsy mentions above. I enjoyed Trainspotting but it didn't make we want to move to Edinburgh and become a heroin addict.

I don't know if the reason for making the film is to Save The Scene, or increase venue attendances or to ensure there is someone to sell our records to when we all peg it.

None of those considerations would ever go away if the film were not to be made or if the idea of the film never existed. That is a fact.

Elaine is a film-maker who wishes to tell a story or convey a series of emotions about her life and her experiences first and foremost. Getting a feature film off the ground is a tremendously difficult enterprise and any reservations about aspects of the publicity machine inherent in that process have to be put into the correct context.

Gareth I love you, in a very manly pat on the back strongly sort of way obviously. You are under instruction to join us at 100 Club Xmas party and first drink on me for your two posts.

Can anyone grinding their gums about this actually argue with any what Gareth says,and articulate that argument? I did think of responding earlier but mines was full of swear words and sarcastic put downs because I just don't get most of the responses on this,

Glad I didn't as Mr Sweeney, succinctly and perfectly, and Ms Hamilton, less succinctly (obviously) but equally perfectly just get it right.

Other than Mr Waterman's rather unhealthy obsession with male miners and their coal lamps, he was as cheesy as you would expect but f**k me he was enthusiastic and he certainly didn't try and say he knew it all. And jeez you cannot fault the man for the publicity he is getting for Elaine which I assume is great for her. Whats to fault with this?

And for those implying surprise at there being any miners at Wigan? WTF that is on a par with BinStanley's no drug comments. Sure the Mansfield lads would verify, as were most of my Tranent lads, so there were definitely more than a few there, although not quite sure why Petey thought they all were, maybe something to with their lamps for eyes at night......

Edited December 20, 2011 by jocko

[Steve G]

Oh RICH try and keep up we did the Jackie Wilson thing days ago - the world has moved on

Edited December 20, 2011 by Steve G

[jocko]

i think the guy who said 'you'd have to be insane to truly believe that' was spot on mate! Which means???....(No, surely he could not have been bullshitting for commercial reasons? A 'nice guy' and a 'soul fan' would have more respect for JACKIE WILSON that that wouldn't he? Surely?)....

Aww jeez let it go, go and play on the Chris Evans thread he deserves it. We get your point, its one of your many irrelevants ones and particularly irrelevant on here, so lets not make this all about you eh. Anway Eric Hobsbawm is now being debated and slagged off on politics thread, surely you want to go and save him rather than worry about a piss*d celebrity making a twat of himself, hardly unusual....

[Guest]

Nothing wrong with that tv spot really, apart from the fact that people will now think that Northern Soul is nothing but f*cking acrobatics when that died out 35 years ago. Pete W seems like a good chap.

Being absolutely honest - and I truly mean this - I'd much rather watch your 60s records video clips than any of this....Maybe at the end of the day we are just both mad....

[jocko]

The edges are getting blurred already, Elaine looks like she is doing a fine job portraying the scene as it was, in film, better than other big screen ventures.

Pete is there as celebrity(?) platform, probably without which, films like this would never be publicised because it is still a small section of the music scene through the years.

If you are in the know, it wont matter. Try looking at it as if you didnt know about the scene and the perspective is totally different.

H

Ahh Hadyn, been meaning to chastise you on your chinstroker comments, but all is forgiven, another succinct and to the point response, I must try one of those, then maybe people would listen to me!

Hope you are well young man.

[Guest Brian Ellis]

Here is some early footage from the early days of the scene not used in the 'This England' film .....................................

Nice clip Mike - and everyone of them with their own teeth

[Guest]

Oh RICH try and keep up we did the Jackie Wilson thing days ago - the world has moved on

Well, it is true that I might post long posts but I do not spend anywhere near as much time on here as you STEVE, i confess....

[Steve L]

And for those implying surprise at there being any miners at Wigan? WTF that is on a par with BinStanley's no drug comments. Sure the Mansfield lads would verify, as were most of my Tranent lads, so there were definitely more than a few there, although not quite sure why Petey thought they all were, maybe something to with their lamps for eyes at night......

Quite correct, there were quite a few of us

[Patto]

Quite correct, there were quite a few of us

Sure was and i'm still on the scene and Still a miner.Mid to late 70s the Doncaster areas main employers were Pits and railways.There were hundreds of miners that were on the scene at that time.I thought the clip came over well by far the best i have scene on T.V and all my pit mates at work today were full of positive comments which for them is rare

[Maark]

Aww jeez let it go, go and play on the Chris Evans thread he deserves it. We get your point, its one of your many irrelevants ones and particularly irrelevant on here, so lets not make this all about you eh. Anway Eric Hobsbawm is now being debated and slagged off on politics thread, surely you want to go and save him rather than worry about a piss*d celebrity making a twat of himself, hardly unusual....

If Carlsberg did put downs.........

[Geeselad]

Personally if someone wants to make a film about 'Northern Soul'.............why can't they do something about the current scene rather than focusing on Wigan Casino, The Mecca, etc, etc.

Don't focus on the nostalgia..........focus on the here and now!!!

Many comments on here about young folk getting into the scene..............Christ I would hate it if they thought that's the way it all still is!!!

The Scene has evolved...................if anybody else wants to make another film, just take the cameras to somewhere like Bidds or Radcliffe where there are different rooms playing so many different sounds or soul nights that don't just play overplayed oldies!!!

OK that's my bit said............I'm outta here!!!

Your so right Carol, the current scene in all its forms is so full of tragedy and comedy it would make for great entertainment . themes like lost youth and missed chances, ego's over-ruling quality in the music, and obviously the ever increasing commercialation of the scene are just the kind of subject matter that a Bleasdale or meadows could do wonders with.