Pete Waterman Northern Soul

[Mrtag]

The comments made re; Jackie Wilson/Will Young were probabley tongue in cheek and done in the heat of the moment, No sane person would even contemplate that kind of comparison!!!

Edited December 15, 2011 by mrtag

[KevH]

The comments made re; Jackie Wilson/Will Young were probabley tongue in cheek and done in the heat of the moment, No sane person would even contemplate that kind of comparison!!!

Now there's something i'd never thought i'd see.Will Young,tongue, and cheek in the same sentence.

Edited December 15, 2011 by KevH

[Tabs]

With or without money you will always be a c***

i wonder if anyone on here became rich and famous over night and their wealth led them to different pastures if they would get a bashing, yeah probably would, in that case if i win the lottery tomorrow and decide to travel the world and live a life of luxury mingling with the rich and famous but still buy records then let me be the forst to call me A c***

[Guest Mart B]

I have a clip of him in a documentary

were he said " you used to see groups of coal miners dancing WITH each other" at Wigan Casino !

don't know about you but i never saw him anywhere ?

I think i worked on his house once , Warrington/Newton Le Willows area ?

That would have been Steve L... Big Paul...... Rob Marriott & me....lol

[Mrtag]

Now there's something i'd never thought i'd see.Will Young,tongue, and cheek in the same sentence.

Different cheek!! Kev! Lol!!

Edited December 15, 2011 by mrtag

[Guest]

The comments made re; Jackie Wilson/Will Young were probabley tongue in cheek and done in the heat of the moment, No sane person would even contemplate that kind of comparison!!!

Bit of a slight contradiction there....'Tongue in cheek' implies a wind-up, meaning someone was in control....'Heat of the moment' is the opposite....

When he said that, it was uttered straight faced, solemnly as if it was his absolute genuine belief....I don't know about his sanity...Only he could tell us if he really meant it or not....

[Mrtag]

Anyone else having a problem with the smileys??

[Winnie :-)]

Anyone else having a problem with the smileys??

Most of us, we need 'grumpys' and 'grumblies'

[Mrtag]

Bit of a slight contradiction there....'Tongue in cheek' implies a wind-up, meaning someone was in control....'Heat of the moment' is the opposite....

When he said that, it was uttered straight faced, solemnly as if it was his absolute genuine belief....I don't know about his sanity...Only he could tell us if he really meant it or not....

Only PW would know if it was tongue in cheek (ironical intent)!! Still no smileys!

[Jim Elliott]

I have no idea of this 'Soul' you all speak of, but trains give me the horn.

OOF

Jim.

[Mrtag]

Most of us, we need 'grumpys' and 'grumblies'

You're right!! And I think we should all go "try the wine" Lol!!

[Guest]

You're right!! And I think we should all go "try the wine" Lol!!

Just 'tried' a perfect lamb biriani washed down with iced carlsberg and could not give a damn about PW right now!.....

[Mrtag]

Just 'tried' a perfect lamb biriani washed down with iced carlsberg and could not give a damn about PW right now!.....

Now that's the way to do it!!! Atb John.

[Guest Bearsy]

With or without money you will always be a c***

thats a fair point i overlooked Tabs

[macca]

I'd kill for lamb biriani now, in spite of PW.

[Guest]

Well, you are in Spain, you cannot have everything mate....

[Shsdave]

I knew it wouldn't be long before he came out the woodwork, the time is about right for him now that it's bubbled over.

C'mon Pete tell us again about the boots of Breakout that were all pressed off centre that you all bought back then.

My sides are splitting (again)

Have only read couple of quotes so this might have been gone over all ready but the blokes a twat. Talks of how big brawny miners & him (?) would "drag" up & all walk down to the Casino holding hands ???? & how it was a really friendly place, the only fights were if somebody had nicked someone elses beer or over girls :sleep3:

[Mrtag]

Have only read couple of quotes so this might have been gone over all ready but the blokes a twat. Talks of how big brawny miners & him (?) would "drag" up & all walk down to the Casino holding hands ???? & how it was a really friendly place, the only fights were if somebody had nicked someone elses beer or over girls :sleep3:

What Beer ??

[Haydn]

What Beer ??

yea, what beer Watermelon?

[Stevie T]

What Beer ??

have to agree , what beer?....never saw any fights, the gangsters made sure of that , but have to admit i didnt venture to the loos for at least 3 years

[dthedrug]

Radio 2 next week

On Tuesday 20 December "In Too Darn Soulful: Northern Soul", Smooth Radio presenter Pete Waterman tells the story of Northern Soul and dance. He examines what makes Northern Soul music so all consuming for the devoted fans and introduces the uninitiated to this intoxicating mix of music and dance. And he meets the people for whom Northern Soul is a way of life. A Unique production.

Pete Waterman said: "Northern Soul is such a phenomenon, it's great to be looking at this fascinating insight into the continuing fan base it has. I was the only man who always went to Wigan for his summer holidays - I loved Northern Soul that much! I only got two weeks off from being a DJ back then, and I spent those 14 days just going to Northern Soul Clubs."

HI ALL I did not no Pete that well, but to put him in context with soul DJ's he was important to the development of the scene, and his manor was more like a twisted wheel punter of the early generation, and was an all round good guy! DAVE

[Mrtag]

yea, what beer Watermelon?

Could of been ginger!! well if they were all holding hands!!

[Mrtag]

have to agree , what beer?....never saw any fights, the gangsters made sure of that , but have to admit i didnt venture to the loos for at least 3 years

Always a good place not to venture !! unless you liked wet feet!!

[Guest bleusuperb]

Why is NO ONE allowed to just enjoy listening to soul music anymore?

Seems if you do, and don't go to an all-nighter every week (and definitely not an oldies all nighter at that), your the reason for Northern Soul going stale!

It is annoying when people jump on the bandwagon because it's fashionable, but if this great music we love so much is getting brought to new ears, what's wrong with that? The delivery method doesn't matter, and even if only 1 person in a 100 who hear it, stick with it and get more into it, then something positive has happened, surely!

Just in from my works night out, had a few but not pissed, have to agree with the above.

First got into the music in the early seventies at the maryat hall in Dundee, have been hooked ever since, don't have a massive collection of 45s but I feckin love the music.

As I have got older I go to the occasional local event but they are few and far between but I try to get to them now and then.

I come on here to listen to, and learn about, what is being played at events, even now I here sounds that are new to me which I think are so good that the hairs on the back of my neck bristle, I listen and can't believe how good they are. I wonder why they were not massive hits, i want everyone to hear them and am disappointed if people do not hear what I hear.

I think you either get it or you don't, no inbetweens, I have always felt so lucky that I get it, I genuinely feel sorry for those who don't feel the pleasure that I feel.

So for me you don;t have to be a collector or a regular attender, you just have to get it, feel it, sometimes almost cry because it is so good, playing the same track over and over because each time it gets better and better.

I don,t judge credentials, or knowledge, or attendence at events, what i judge is does somone here what I can here, do they get the enjoyment that I get, if they do then that's good enough for me.

[Dave Moore]

He He! Bloke makes a bit of dosh and he's portrayed as some kind of evil pantomime Baron. Wish I'd his vinyl buying stash!

He should be flayed alive by a cat o nine tails for this though...

Regards,

Dave

https://youtu.be/cpcztzs15iU

[Guest allnightandy]

I just found this version and it's Mr Levine behind it

better than Kylie Scroggins version but ?

Somethings are better left well alone but !

I quite like that , and this yvonne baker cover

I have just read the comments on the tobi legend cover , Her daughter was not impressed with Mr Levine !

Edited December 17, 2011 by allnightandy

[Guest MrC]

I just found this version and it's Mr Levine behind it

better than Kylie Scroggins version but ?

Somethings are better left well alone but !

I quite like that , and this yvonne baker cover

I have just read the comments on the tobi legend cover , Her daughter was not impressed with Mr Levine !

1st time I've heard those, and I must admit, they sound pretty good to me too!

[Guest allnightandy]

1st time I've heard those, and I must admit, they sound pretty good to me too!

Tobi Larks daughter didn't think so

I cannot believe that Ian Levine did not sign them up , they are so much better than anything Simon Cowell has churned out !

Edited December 17, 2011 by allnightandy

[Davenpete]

I would point out that he used to DJ for the International Soul Club events that Kev used to do in Coventry.

As far as I was aware he's never done anything but heap praise on Motown and Soul in general - unlike so many UK pop artists/producers others who've just ripped it off wholesale and never given credit - why all the scoffing?

Dx

Edited December 17, 2011 by DaveNPete

[Mrtag]

1st time I've heard those, and I must admit, they sound pretty good to me too!

Got to admit quite impressive!!

[Mike]

thread and a half

I keep looking for all these abuse/insults that people seem to be refering to

yet all i can see is 3 or 4 people putting up their own personal views with maybe 2 "strong" critical views

whats the problem with that?

[Geeselad]

I've avoided this thread, since my early contibutions but wanted a last bite of this cherry to say that, like so many other threads on here, Pete Waterman has seemed to become an instant metaphor for the increasingly polarised hemispres of 'the scene'. one of my early introductions to the scene was listening to guy hennigan on janice longs evening show, around 1987 I think, he made the scene seem so cool to me listening as an 18 year old. the lust for vinyl, the passion the truely underground nature of the subculture. A far cry methinks from how said popmyster may portray us, aside form the cheese factor, the real concern should be how the scene is presented in general. As living, breathing and still underground? or museum curio harking back to bygone days and echoing the teds in the 70's.

For me this discussion has raised some really interesting questions, like is any publicity good publicity? I can understand and respect those who think that it is, but cant help thinking its a little niave to assume that all publicity wil have a positive effect. its always going to be a contentious subject , national publicity, the scene was build on avoiding it, or at least not really caring about it.

Edited December 17, 2011 by geeselad

[Smudger]

Let's face it I don't think it is going to make a huge difference to anything regards the scene ,but at least some one listening may think i love the music and will try and make it out to a soul night.There have been several attempts to look at "the scene" before but most look from the outside and don't quite get the point

.I don't suppose we will hear anything stunningly new so i don't expect too much,but it is only good that someone formally involved with the scene is giving his own personal view.

I know loads of miners and working class lads who looked forward to the weekend in days gone past as it was a great relief and took them into another world where most were on an equal standing and they could forget the drudgery of everyday life.(and still do)

and a big thanks to all on S.S. and all who run the site.

[Guest Brian Ellis]

Heads-up, tomorrow morning (Tuesday 20th) BBC Breakfast programme has PW on talking about 'the increasing popularity of Northern Soul dancing'.

A bit late in the day, given the reducing numbers everywhere. Will be an interesting interview.

[Guest allnightandy]

Heads-up, tomorrow morning (Tuesday 20th) BBC Breakfast programme has PW on talking about 'the increasing popularity of Northern Soul dancing'.

A bit late in the day, given the reducing numbers everywhere. Will be an interesting interview.

Ate you sure numbers are declining ? i feel that numbers are thinning out due to the increasing numbers of venues ,

one thing that is noticeable though is the lack of younger people at soul nights which needs to be addressed for the music to stand any chance of continuing into the next generation ! So maybe now any publicity is good publicity ?

[Stevie T]

Ate you sure numbers are declining ? i feel that numbers are thinning out due to the increasing numbers of venues ,

one thing that is noticeable though is the lack of younger people at soul nights which needs to be addressed for the music to stand any chance of continuing into the next generation ! So maybe now any publicity is good publicity ?

personaly speaking , if you get 20 new people coming , small percentage of those may be bitten by the music straight away , and nothing would stop

them returning. the others may be split into , people who like the music enough to return after a while and other who are frightened of the weird world of NS

[Guest Brian Ellis]

Ate you sure numbers are declining ? i feel that numbers are thinning out due to the increasing numbers of venues ,

one thing that is noticeable though is the lack of younger people at soul nights which needs to be addressed for the music to stand any chance of continuing into the next generation ! So maybe now any publicity is good publicity ?

Definitely agree on the publicity front - any publicity is generally good publicity. It was the statement by the BBC 'increasing popularity'; it sounded to me that they felt they had some kind of 'scoop', that caused me to raise my eyebrows.

My own view is that here is definitely a slow decline in numbers since the 'return boom' of the late 90s, early 00s. Thinning, due to over provision of events, has contributed to the decline, IMHO.

Had this interview taken place 10 years ago, it would have carried so much more credibility.

Edited December 19, 2011 by Brian Ellis

[Guest ScooterNik]

Dear lord, I hope no one currently on the scene makes any money out of pop music. If they do, they'd better deny all connection with Northern Soul and stop buying records or there will be another outburst of sponteneous righteousness on here.

Yes, he's made some terrible records (I've never forgiven him for discovering The Lambrettas back in 79) and some cheesy TV programmes, but at the end of the day he's remained a soul fan and collector. He's not been one to broadcast it, it's a private thing for him - a lot more people know of his passion for trains (which REALLY makes him look sad) than of his love of soul music.

OK, so he made a stupid comment - I'd guess that 90% of the programmes audience would have gone "Jackie WHO??" anyway - but if one percent takes the Jackie Wilson comment and finds out a bit more about him, then perhaps we'll have new soul fans. Or, more than likely, we'll not. Either way, he's not harmed the soul scene in any way, he's not come in here demanding to be thought of as the new saviour of northern soul, he's not decided to produce records to sell to this small clique, he's not turned his back on it as if ashamed, and most importantly of all, as a rule he's not inflicted Kylie type cover versions of soul classics upon us.... Soul music is something he obviously loves. What's wrong with that? Surely we can all relate to it?

[Spacehopper]

numbers could be declining for all sorts of reasons...too many venues or the fact none of us have the spare cash we did 5 years ago so have to pick and choose!!

as far as pw goes..ok hes made money out of shiot music (not the first!) and said some stupid things and maybe tomorrow on bbc he will do the same BUT there might also be some in their 20s watching it who are board with todays shit and think WTF is that...they might like what they see and hear despite what pw says aboout wigan blah blah blah...if they get on line and start checking out tunes and venues etc surely thats a good thing...or do you wanna keep this precious scene to yourselves untill theres no one left with the legs to actually dance....some may come and then leave as it wont be for them...others will be bitten like some of you were after TOTP ...or were you all into it before that and everyone after was a twat?

is he cashing in ?....i think he just loves soul music and if he is so what.....many on here do nights without paying djs....sell bootlegs...t shirts...mugs...and loads more tat...aren't they...and anyone whos bought anything with a fist on it are helping them...

sadly the constant negativity on this site is why so many people i know no longer post

dean

chairman of the pw fanclub

[Geeselad]

numbers could be declining for all sorts of reasons...too many venues or the fact none of us have the spare cash we did 5 years ago so have to pick and choose!!

as far as pw goes..ok hes made money out of shiot music (not the first!) and said some stupid things and maybe tomorrow on bbc he will do the same BUT there might also be some in their 20s watching it who are board with todays shit and think WTF is that...they might like what they see and hear despite what pw says aboout wigan blah blah blah...if they get on line and start checking out tunes and venues etc surely thats a good thing...or do you wanna keep this precious scene to yourselves untill theres no one left with the legs to actually dance....some may come and then leave as it wont be for them...others will be bitten like some of you were after TOTP ...or were you all into it before that and everyone after was a twat?

is he cashing in ?....i think he just loves soul music and if he is so what.....many on here do nights without paying djs....sell bootlegs...t shirts...mugs...and loads more tat...aren't they...and anyone whos bought anything with a fist on it are helping them...

sadly the constant negativity on this site is why so many people i know no longer post

dean

chairman of the pw fanclub

The constant negativity you commented on, some comments are negative grumblings others are genuine attempts to question the status quo and iniciate debate, surely thats the purpose of a forum isnt it? If everything was accepted blindly on here with little comment than positive praise that would certainly discourage traffic. Ive heard it said quite a lot, people are stopping using this site due to all the negativity, but it always seems that the most popular threads are also the most controversial.

Mr waterman is on r6 this afternoon, doing an interview with radcliffe and Mconie about the programme if anyone would care to listen.

Edited December 19, 2011 by geeselad

[phatspinner]

Mr waterman is on r6 this afternoon, doing an interview with radcliffe and Mconie about the programme if anyone would care to listen.

I have absolutely no problem with anyone promoting Northern Soul, whoever they are, providing their facts are accurate.

Just listened to PW on Radio 6 where he played Tainted Love, Unsatisfied and If you Ask Me.

Unfortunately the Unsatisfied sounded like the 90s Ian Levine remake where unfortunately Lou can't hit the notes at the end.

He also stated that when he "found" Robert Knight, it was on a country label, "Wand."

He also inferred that NS fans live in a time-warp and it's more about the people than the music if I remember it correctly.

Hope the doc is more factually accurate!

[Guest allnightandy]

Dear lord, I hope no one currently on the scene makes any money out of pop music. If they do, they'd better deny all connection with Northern Soul and stop buying records or there will be another outburst of sponteneous righteousness on here.

Yes, he's made some terrible records

as a rule he's not inflicted Kylie type cover versions of soul classics upon us...

Oh Really LoL !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1PxrhjvSGU

[Mike]

read recently on one of links posted that the cover had nought to do with him

on reply to deans bit

sadly the constant negativity on this site is why so many people i know no longer post

disagree with the "constant negativity" description

https://www.soul-sour...spy/

shows just how valid that description is

but overall myself say its good to hear that people who can't handle others posting different views than their own no longer post

idea is that offer a place where things can get discussed from all viewpoints

if people cant handle that then that's their problem not sites

mike

Edited December 19, 2011 by mike

[Spacehopper]

The constant negativity you commented on, some comments are negative grumblings others are genuine attempts to question the status quo and iniciate debate, surely thats the purpose of a forum isnt it? If everything was accepted blindly on here with little comment than positive praise that would certainly discourage traffic. Ive heard it said quite a lot, people are stopping using this site due to all the negativity, but it always seems that the most popular threads are also the most controversial.

Mr waterman is on r6 this afternoon, doing an interview with radcliffe and Mconie about the programme if anyone would care to listen.

i agree a forum would be boring if we all thought the same..its just it seems to me whenever anyone 'outside' the scene trys to do or say anything that may have something to do with northern soul they are almost automatically shot down ....amy whinehouse recording a soul album...duffy using northern soul dancers in a video....the soul boy FICTIONAL FILM NOT A DOCUMENTARY ...paul o grady,pete waterman or anybody else famous 'promoting' and speaking highly remember of the uk soul scene....and sadly some of these ARE the most popular threads (except ovo/boots ofcourse!) and that kinda proves my point i think.....

dean

[Guest MrC]

i agree a forum would be boring if we all thought the same..its just it seems to me whenever anyone 'outside' the scene trys to do or say anything that may have something to do with northern soul they are almost automatically shot down ....amy whinehouse recording a soul album...duffy using northern soul dancers in a video....the soul boy FICTIONAL FILM NOT A DOCUMENTARY ...paul o grady,pete waterman or anybody else famous 'promoting' and speaking highly remember of the uk soul scene....and sadly some of these ARE the most popular threads (except ovo/boots ofcourse!) and that kinda proves my point i think.....

dean

Well said that man!

[Guest allnightandy]

read recently on one of links posted that the cover had nought to do with him

on reply to deans bit

disagree with the "constant negativity" description

https://www.soul-sour...spy/

shows just how valid that description is

but overall myself say its good to hear that people who can't handle others posting different views than their own no longer post

idea is that offer a place where things can get discussed from all viewpoints

if people cant handle that then that's their problem not sites

mike

I just couldn't resist when he put about "Not as if he's tried to push any Kylie covers on us " I don't really care , as i said Any publicity is good as for Pete he has some very bizarre and strange recollections of his past Gangs of coal miners dancing together, buying bootleg copys of breakout 'Discovering Robert Knight on Wand (How much is that worth?) i think somebody else posted he remembers "Dragging up" to go to Wigan (Never Confused) no i hope his programme is ok and doesn't take the p*ss !

[Spacehopper]

i dont think its a case of people not handling others with different views mike.....for instance in the thread on what tune do you not like to hear played out i posted another shout for 'just loving you' and was told i knew nothing about music,was mentally retarded and probably had a lighthouse cd in my collection..now you may laugh but hardly constructive debate and as i didnt know the poster it wasnt banter....

[Ady Croasdell]

I'm pretty sure he's only the presenter of the programme so he shouldn't have any editorial content; though his memories sound more inaccurate than mine and I was smashed.

[Spacehopper]

just seen on fb that elaine from the northern soul film will also be on bbc tomorrow.....maybe pete wont be the son of satan now he's possibly doing it to promote her new film ?...its at 830am so will be at work and miss it unless its on you tube or bbc site later

Edited December 19, 2011 by spacehopper

[Guest MrC]

And not to forget, I'm sure Ady C. mentioned he is on the program as well, as well as Elaine pushing the new film, so some kind of balanced view will be given.