I'd like to raise an open topic about an issue that has been bothering me.

If we take it that too many nights are killing this scene.

Promotors can't or won't control the number of nights.

A finite number of souls spread thinly across everything on offer.

Could Soul Source not cap the number of nights to 4 per year, for any one promotion / night, that is advertised on SS?

If you insist on going monthly, that does not mean you can't put other nights on, you just can't advertise them here. You could keep changing the name of the night, but that won't help you or us.

It's not a dictatorship, it's SS and it's members trying to help with the problem in some small way.

Just a thought.

Doc

Edited November 21, 201113 yr by Dr Pickles

  On 21/11/2011 at 13:26, Dr Pickles said:

I'd like to raise an open topic about an issue that has been bothering me.

If we take it that too many nights are killing this scene.

Promotors can't or won't control the number of nights.

A finite number of souls spread thinly across everything on offer.

Could Soul Source not cap the number of nights to 4 per year, for any one promotion / night, that is advertised on SS?

If you insist on going monthly, that does not mean you can't put other nights on, you just can't advertise them here. You could keep changing the name of the night, but that won't help you or us.

It's not a dictatorship, it's SS and it's members trying to help with the problem in some small way.

Just a thought.

Doc

Chris, not for me mate, soul source is more about information than being a northern soul policy think tank, could have an adverse effect on the site?

Hi Chris,

I must say looking at the EVENTS section it really is mind boggling how many venues there are serving up all sorts.

On the one hand why shouldnt people put on where and when they like but I think it goes to show that since these are apparently attended

the majority of soul fans are NOT nighter people...thats probably obvious.

Therefore the way to go in my opinion is to exclusify the all nighter scene,,... ..nighter promoters get together and reduce the number on offer or alternatively make them less easily accessible ..ie membership.

As for restricting the advertising you are on dangerous ground mate I reckon

Another thing that has to be considered, when we have topics on the number of soul nights, how many actual contributors take part? Even if you say a 100, which is generous, it's hardly a majority of the scene seeing it as a problem?

Thanks for the responses.

I just want to make it very clear, I'm not talking about stopping people putting nights on. I'm saying that each promotor has 4 slots per year that they can advertise on SS.

Level playing field for everyone.

To me and many others SS is key to choosing where to go and what's coming up and it would be good if it could help in some way.

Doc

Won,t work mate....to many people think only of themslves not the bigger picture.......tough times, the good will survive and the weaker places shall fall.....or thats how it,s supposed to work. promoters need to pay more attention to THEIR nights the right dj,s,the right order if it,s going flat sort it straight away not troll out the same lame excuse (l let them play what they want). remember a night has to start upbeat be upbeat in the middle and end bloody upbeat....a promoter is like a football manager he selects his players to do a specific job....he don,t just let em play how they want....he,s also watching the whole night just to make sure they play to the script....if not they're off and thats how a nighter should be.........it,s this factor alone for me that decides where l go mostly......

PEGGY SAID:

'Won't work mate....to many people think only of themslves not the bigger picture'....

And he is totally right and that is exactly why we have too many Soul events in the first place...

  On 21/11/2011 at 14:04, peggy babcock said:

Won,t work mate....to many people think only of themslves not the bigger picture.......tough times, the good will survive and the weaker places shall fall.....or thats how it,s supposed to work. promoters need to pay more attention to THEIR nights the right dj,s,the right order if it,s going flat sort it straight away not troll out the same lame excuse (l let them play what they want). remember a night has to start upbeat be upbeat in the middle and end bloody upbeat....a promoter is like a football manager he selects his players to do a specific job....he don,t just let em play how they want....he,s also watching the whole night just to make sure they play to the script....if not they're off and thats how a nighter should be.........it,s this factor alone for me that decides where l go mostly......

Reading that reminds me of Cream Cracker Peggy!

10^th December there are 14 night (in events) on within a one hour drive of Loughborough!

Steve J

  On 21/11/2011 at 14:17, SteveJohnston said:

Reading that reminds me of Cream Cracker Peggy!

10^th December there are 14 night (in events) on within a one hour drive of Loughborough!

Steve J

bit out of order fella......l get ya point and agree.....but ya shouldn,t really be plugging an event on this thread particularly when the promoter of said event is more than culpable

  On 21/11/2011 at 14:24, peggy babcock said:

bit out of order fella......l get ya point and agree.....but ya shouldn,t really be plugging an event on this thread particularly when the promoter of said event is more than culpable

Peggy I was reading your post & thinking about any night that runs just like you say it should! The first one that came to mind was Cracker, promotion of any night was never thought about. Peggy you need to pick fault with your own postings before accusing me of promotion after all it was me that posted not Kev Such how is he to blame or acted improper & can not be held blameworthy in the slightest!!

Steve J

Edited November 21, 201113 yr by SteveJohnston

sorry re posted!!

Edited November 21, 201113 yr by SteveJohnston

nice set you played saturday steve at the stute.

oops...is this the wrong thread

Don't think it really matters who or who doesn't advertise on here, all the gobby gits ( and I'll hold me hand up to that) are seeking to do is remind people when a do is on.

The only recommendation worth a light is word of mouth, I can think of at least 2 nights that I've told people about and they now go and love 'em, but I knew they would, there are some that would hate 'em, so I don't tell them.

All that has come out nowhere near as clear as I intended it to, but I hope you catch my drift.

ATB

Tony

not a promotor,

just a goobby git

Edited November 21, 201113 yr by tonyp

  On 21/11/2011 at 16:18, tonyp said:

Don't think it really matters who or who doesn't advertise on here, all the gobby gits ( and I'll hold me hand up to that) are seeking to do is remind people when a do is on.

The only recommendation worth a light is word of mouth, I can think of at least 2 nights that I've told people about and they now go and love 'em, but I knew they would, there are some that would hate 'em, so I don't tell them.

All that has come out nowhere near as clear as I intended it to, but I hope you catch my drift.

ATB

Tony

not a promotor,

just a goobby git

Well said, I think word of mouth is the best way...Ref original post, nice idea Doc and I'm sure everyone knows your trying to help sort the problem but it ain't gonna happen...

...I once suggested that every event could go through a commitee, so as to keep everything in check, not clashing, keeping it all healthy etc, a bit like The Great Escape, where every escape had to be vetted and approved so it all worked well and didn't effect others....That didn't happen either... ...Good film though (My fave!)...

All the best,

Len.

Edited November 21, 201113 yr by LEN

  On 21/11/2011 at 16:18, tonyp said:

Don't think it really matters who or who doesn't advertise on here, all the gobby gits ( and I'll hold me hand up to that) are seeking to do is remind people when a do is on. The only recommendation worth a light is word of mouth, I can think of at least 2 nights that I've told people about and they now go and love 'em, but I knew they would, there are some that would hate 'em, so I don't tell them. All that has come out nowhere near as clear as I intended it to, but I hope you catch my drift. ATB Tony not a promotor, just a goobby git

Word of mouth has always been the best recommendation but as someone who promotes a venue I have to say Soul Source and the internet play a bigger part in getting your event out there than any flyer does now.

I rarely pick up a flyer these days, they are forced upon me only for me to put on the table, I simply don't need a flyer now. Soul Source is an important voice when promoting your event and it is totally out of the question to try and restrict someone from advertising. We at lifeline only have 5 events every year purely for the reason it is an over crowded market as it is.

Maybe it is time promoters looked at themselves, ran their event bi-monthly for instance and if they are a wanna be DJ who can't get a booking so set up his own venue that gets just a handful through the door, maybe they should take a look at themselves for the sake of the bigger picture.

  On 21/11/2011 at 13:26, Dr Pickles said:

I'd like to raise an open topic about an issue that has been bothering me.

If we take it that too many nights are killing this scene.

Promotors can't or won't control the number of nights.

A finite number of souls spread thinly across everything on offer.

Could Soul Source not cap the number of nights to 4 per year, for any one promotion / night, that is advertised on SS?

If you insist on going monthly, that does not mean you can't put other nights on, you just can't advertise them here. You could keep changing the name of the night, but that won't help you or us.

It's not a dictatorship, it's SS and it's members trying to help with the problem in some small way.

Just a thought.

Doc

its a good idea

  On 22/11/2011 at 21:54, giant said:

its a good idea

Thanks Giant, I thought so.

Doc

  On 21/11/2011 at 13:26, Dr Pickles said:

I'd like to raise an open topic about an issue that has been bothering me.

If we take it that too many nights are killing this scene.

Promotors can't or won't control the number of nights.

A finite number of souls spread thinly across everything on offer.

Could Soul Source not cap the number of nights to 4 per year, for any one promotion / night, that is advertised on SS?

If you insist on going monthly, that does not mean you can't put other nights on, you just can't advertise them here. You could keep changing the name of the night, but that won't help you or us.

It's not a dictatorship, it's SS and it's members trying to help with the problem in some small way.

Just a thought.

Doc

Nah,daft idea,have u got a little moustache and Jackboots

Bazza

while i agree there are maybe too many nights ,especially in some areas i obviously dont agree with an advertising restriction mate as go go children in bristol is a monthly night.....we have been on the first saturday now for nearly two years and coming upto our 4th birthday some local promoters think of us and dont clash others dont and do.....if you know what i mean!

its a shame when it happens not just because we lose a few but because i would like to go to their gigs too!!....luckily for us we are close to bristol centre and bristol being what it is we can attract enuff people, non travelling soulies and WELL BEHAVED NON SOULIES to cover costs at least and have a good night...

i always advertise on soul source,maybe it helps ,maybe not i think you have to use every form of media you can nowadays...forums,flyers,posters,facebook and word of mouth

the only answer to nights clashing is down to the promoters...as nighters especially rely on travellers i dont think there is any need for any new nights (...as i said on the south coast thread when some thought it was a good idea to have another nighter)... those that are on need to work together and try and have their individual nights (like we do) on the same 1st or 3rd friday or saturday of the month,whichever it may be.....with all the internet etc we have wouldnt it be great if all the big allnighters at least were all on different weekends right through the year...obviously with booking venues this wouldnt be easy to start with but after a while who knows...it can be done but would take compromise occasionally

i believe next year will be even tougher...bidds im sure was only quite because it so close to xmas...i know i would have rather been up there than the local night i went to (even though i had a good time) but stoke for me is an overnight stop and 3 times more expensive when all is considered...i hope to be up NYE...and if i still have a job and mace carries on....next year too,lets hope so

dean

I dont think that a cap on advertising on SS would make that much of an impact on the wider soul scene . we dont have that much influence do we ?

Not a good idea, Soul Source would be accussed of being a Soul Police site. So the 100 club, Lifeline, can only be mentioned four times in a year. Your actually encouraging new nights to start by taking advantage on such limitations in the amount of times established regular nights can give a shout out.

  On 24/11/2011 at 00:11, stomper45 said:

Not a good idea, Soul Source would be accussed of being a Soul Police site. So the 100 club, Lifeline, can only be mentioned four times in a year. Your actually encouraging new nights to start by taking advantage on such limitations in the amount of times established regular nights can give a shout out.

Good point Danny

  On 24/11/2011 at 00:11, stomper45 said:

Not a good idea, Soul Source would be accussed of being a Soul Police site. So the 100 club, Lifeline, can only be mentioned four times in a year. Your actually encouraging new nights to start by taking advantage on such limitations in the amount of times established regular nights can give a shout out.

I understand your point but how do you adress the problem of promotors putting nights on monthly, twice monthly, everyday with a "y" in it. Don't these just fill the calendar up, water down the offer even further, spread attendance even further and generally harm the scene in the long run?

Doc

We are a free country and people have a choice....might not be the right choice in the eyes of others but it is their choice.

If you limited promoters to the four slots as you said another way to promote the 5th or 6th would be found and the vacant slots would be filled by other promoters so choice would be even greater and the scene watered down (as you put it) even more.

  On 24/11/2011 at 13:19, chalky said:

We are a free country and people have a choice....might not be the right choice in the eyes of others but it is their choice.

If you limited promoters to the four slots as you said another way to promote the 5th or 6th would be found and the vacant slots would be filled by other promoters so choice would be even greater and the scene watered down (as you put it) even more.

Chalky / Stomper that is a good a point and a fatal flaw in my plan.

Back to the drawing board

Doc