Bin The Talc For Once And For All

[Guest soul elite]

Haha, how patronizing it that...... 'Girlie thing'!!!!

Ps My hubby was going to The Wheel & Wigan in the LATE 60's EARLY 70's and can remember Talc being used.

[Amsterdam Russ]

For goodness sake, You're blowing this out of proportion!!

Going to stop looking at this thread because your pomposity is very irritating.

If that was aimed at me - sorry, but I was actually taking the piss!

[Guest soul elite]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha  =^P

[Julie Moore]

I like a little talc now I`m old it helps with the knees

[Guest lambrettanik]

i wrote a thread on this earlier,i for one use it always have always will,what should be banned is the dickheads who insist on standing on the dance floor with a drink in their hand or dancing with with it then spilling it on the floor ,nows thats a hazard to me but i bet they wont ban drinking at soul events will they? after all we are there to dance and not get pissed arent we? well iam anyway.ive tried leather soles still use talc as my dance style suites its use.iam a health and safety rep and all the venue has to do is put a disclaimer on the use of talc-problem solved and another large poster outside stating"TALC USED AT THIS VENUE" and those that are worried about there shoes and clothes being ruined are forwarned,what is a problem is poorley maintained dance floors ie too much varnish,nails protruding,chunks of wood missing,tiled floors,concrete floors,uneven dance floors.furniture on the dance floor,now thats were a claim can be made,As for banning it-for me it puts me off going to a venue were its banned-what would happen if all the soulies who rely on it for its friction reducing properties decided not to attend venues were its banned???? "IAM ON THE WHITE TRACK"-Billy "johnsons" Butler!

[Guest soul elite]

If the dancefloor is 'grippy'  it really jarrs your knees..  YES I am a 'SHUFFLER' who has special needs!

[old but nimble]

Couldn't agree more, leather soles, leather heels, you'll never need talc again. I think a lot of people use it cos it's in the 'how to dance northern' pamphlet

Not True I have always worn leather shoes, again if the floor has not been cleaned properly it does not make an Hapeth of difference on your soles (hence the talc comes into play)

[old but nimble]

i wrote a thread on this earlier,i for one use it always have always will,what should be banned is the dickheads who insist on standing on the dance floor with a drink in their hand or dancing with with it then spilling it on the floor ,nows thats a hazard to me but i bet they wont ban drinking at soul events will they? after all we are there to dance and not get pissed arent we? well iam anyway.ive tried leather soles still use talc as my dance style suites its use.iam a health and safety rep and all the venue has to do is put a disclaimer on the use of talc-problem solved and another large poster outside stating"TALC USED AT THIS VENUE" and those that are worried about there shoes and clothes being ruined are forwarned,what is a problem is poorley maintained dance floors ie too much varnish,nails protruding,chunks of wood missing,tiled floors,concrete floors,uneven dance floors.furniture on the dance floor,now thats were a claim can be made,As for banning it-for me it puts me off going to a venue were its banned-what would happen if all the soulies who rely on it for its friction reducing properties decided not to attend venues were its banned???? "IAM ON THE WHITE TRACK"-Billy "johnsons" Butler!

Spot on, good reply :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Wiggyflat]

I'm anti talc....used to do a lot of dancing on the jazz dance scene where the dancing is far more acrobatic and faster.Never needed talc then so don't see why shufflers need it.Can still knee drop from a jump (without pads) and talc does your trousers in.It's like the men you see in baggies...you expect them to do some mad spins but they shuffle....same with talc, I expect Olga Corbett when they throw it on the floor but usually get to see Ronnie Corbett.Can't see any talc on the floor here

[Guest kid mohair]

Maybe intoduce another room .....the talc room !!!

[Chalky]

i wrote a thread on this earlier,i for one use it always have always will,what should be banned is the dickheads who insist on standing on the dance floor with a drink in their hand or dancing with with it then spilling it on the floor ,nows thats a hazard to me but i bet they wont ban drinking at soul events will they? after all we are there to dance and not get pissed arent we? well iam anyway.ive tried leather soles still use talc as my dance style suites its use.iam a health and safety rep and all the venue has to do is put a disclaimer on the use of talc-problem solved and another large poster outside stating"TALC USED AT THIS VENUE" and those that are worried about there shoes and clothes being ruined are forwarned,what is a problem is poorley maintained dance floors ie too much varnish,nails protruding,chunks of wood missing,tiled floors,concrete floors,uneven dance floors.furniture on the dance floor,now thats were a claim can be made,As for banning it-for me it puts me off going to a venue were its banned-what would happen if all the soulies who rely on it for its friction reducing properties decided not to attend venues were its banned???? "IAM ON THE WHITE TRACK"-Billy "johnsons" Butler!

A disclaimer is about as much use as the paper it will be written on in a court of law when a case comes up before the beak where someone has slipped and done some damage because of the talc was on the floor.

Beer on the floor isn't a deliberate act and sometimes can't be avoided, talc however is deliberately put there, can be avoided and if the management do nothing to stop it then they are liable, probably alongside those who hire the room as well...regardless of whether they put a disclaimer up or not.

[Guest]

i wrote a thread on this earlier,i for one use it always have always will,what should be banned is the dickheads who insist on standing on the dance floor with a drink in their hand or dancing with with it then spilling it on the floor ,nows thats a hazard to me but i bet they wont ban drinking at soul events will they? after all we are there to dance and not get pissed arent we? well iam anyway.ive tried leather soles still use talc as my dance style suites its use.iam a health and safety rep and all the venue has to do is put a disclaimer on the use of talc-problem solved and another large poster outside stating"TALC USED AT THIS VENUE" and those that are worried about there shoes and clothes being ruined are forwarned,what is a problem is poorley maintained dance floors ie too much varnish,nails protruding,chunks of wood missing,tiled floors,concrete floors,uneven dance floors.furniture on the dance floor,now thats were a claim can be made,As for banning it-for me it puts me off going to a venue were its banned-what would happen if all the soulies who rely on it for its friction reducing properties decided not to attend venues were its banned???? "IAM ON THE WHITE TRACK"-Billy "johnsons" Butler!

just realised that our venue is probably the only venue i have been to that has all the furniture, tables , chairs, dj stuff actually on the dance floor, jeezzz. think we all need to stay in this weekend and read the health and safety file again.

[Irish Spinner]

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,what should be banned is the dickheads who insist on standing on the dance floor with a drink in their hand or dancing with with it then spilling it on the floor ,nows thats a hazard to me but i bet they wont ban drinking at soul events will they? after all we are there to dance and not get pissed arent we? well iam anyway.ive tried leather soles still use talc as my dance style suites its use.iam a health and safety rep and all the venue has to do is put a disclaimer on the use of talc-problem solved and another large poster outside stating"TALC USED AT THIS VENUE" and those that are worried about there shoes and clothes being ruined you are forwarned

Sounds like the a previous event at the Kings Hall by all accounts. You might want to talk to the promoter and give him your professional opinion he might take on some of the high lighted points .... Including yourself an ASSet to his team i am sure.

Edited November 19, 2011 by Irish Spinner

[Guest]

Sometimes I like dancing with talc but then sometimes I like dancing without talc. But which one is better? FIGHT!

[Guest lambrettanik]

I'm anti talc....used to do a lot of dancing on the jazz dance scene where the dancing is far more acrobatic and faster.Never needed talc then so don't see why shufflers need it.Can still knee drop from a jump (without pads) and talc does your trousers in.It's like the men you see in baggies...you expect them to do some mad spins but they shuffle....same with talc, I expect Olga Corbett when they throw it on the floor but usually get to see Ronnie Corbett.Can't see any talc on the floor here

there isnt any talc here? were you there?, there wasnt anybody else either! as its not a soul event but a movie clip and how do you know if the nicholas brothers didnt use it? have you asked them?.plus what you fail to point out is that they were professional dancers with using tailor made footwear and probadly had a say on what the floor surface was like.and as a father of two trained dancers i know that the stage surface and footwear used are vital but as were not professionals we have to make do with talc,bad floors and spilled drinks

[Guest lambrettanik]

Lovely calling me an ASSet! .is it because ive touched a nerve? facts are that event promoters are worried about people claiming for an injury caused by the heavy use of talc and your worried about either your equipment or your image???.when the real dangers are spilled drinks,poor maintance of venues facilities or your ego,people are unlikely to sue for A TALC INDUCED INJURY.what promoters should be aware of is people suing for deafness due to the speakers surpassing safe decibel limits,lower limb injuries caused by long term strain on the ankles and knees because the dancers were dancing on a surface which was inadequately "lubricated"-while were at it why dont we ban peolple from spinning which is again likely to cause some one an injury,or acrobatics on a crowded dance floor again due the dangers it imposes on bystanders! wind your kneck in your getting personal and stop trying to be all P.C and accept it some dancers use talc and always will until they design shoe that self "talcs" or you can change its sole to suit any venues floor and conditions

[Guest lambrettanik]

just realised that our venue is probably the only venue i have been to that has all the furniture, tables , chairs, dj stuff actually on the dance floor, jeezzz. think we all need to stay in this weekend and read the health and safety file again.

im refering to the fact that people start encroching onto the dance floor with chairs,a greater danger than talc,yeh you probably do need to stay in and read a health and safety manual-do you want to borrow the TUC version?

[Guest lambrettanik]

A disclaimer is about as much use as the paper it will be written on in a court of law when a case comes up before the beak where someone has slipped and done some damage because of the talc was on the floor.

Beer on the floor isn't a deliberate act and sometimes can't be avoided, talc however is deliberately put there, can be avoided and if the management do nothing to stop it then they are liable, probably alongside those who hire the room as well...regardless of whether they put a disclaimer up or not.

and how many claims have ther been on injuries or damage caused by talc? yeh its a deliberate act to aid dancing but a poorly maintained building and its facilities is a greater evil which you failed to comment on,yeh beer on the dance floor is a deliberate act as these people try to dance with a GLASS in their hand so thats not as dangerous as talc?-ive never seen a talc severe an artory!,plus i have seen people deliberately tip drinks onto a dance floor(you must have seen that done) and when its down it cant be seen in the dark unless theyve had a sambuka and set fire to it!.and finaly you are more likely to be claimed against if YOU HAVENT GOT A DISCLAIMER up its called NEGLEAGENCE Edited November 19, 2011 by lambrettanik

[Wiggyflat]

there isnt any talc here? were you there?, there wasnt anybody else either! as its not a soul event but a movie clip and how do you know if the nicholas brothers didnt use it? have you asked them?.plus what you fail to point out is that they were professional dancers with using tailor made footwear and probadly had a say on what the floor surface was like.and as a father of two trained dancers i know that the stage surface and footwear used are vital but as were not professionals we have to make do with talc,bad floors and spilled drinks

No there isn't any talc.No I wasn't there....I have met the Nicholas Brothers when they came over from the US(about 89) and did a talk at the Barbican.Brothers In Jazz (UK Dance troupe are big fans).I would not be so stupid to ask them if they used talc.How come other dancing scenes don't use talc..Lindyhoppers/jivvers/rock'n roll.It's just one of the naff bits that everyone thinks they need (in the manual).I have actually slopped water on a floor to get rid of talc.Anyway off to the Dingwalls reunion today.....ton's of great dancers, bumpy floor,spinners,splits,knee drops....and not a bit of talc in sight.

Edited November 20, 2011 by wiggyflat

[Chalky]

and how many claims have ther been on injuries or damage caused by talc? yeh its a deliberate act to aid dancing but a poorly maintained building and its facilities is a greater evil which you failed to comment on,yeh beer on the dance floor is a deliberate act as these people try to dance with a GLASS in their hand so thats not as dangerous as talc?-ive never seen a talc severe an artory!,plus i have seen people deliberately tip drinks onto a dance floor(you must have seen that done) and when its down it cant be seen in the dark unless theyve had a sambuka and set fire to it!.and finaly you are more likely to be claimed against if YOU HAVENT GOT A DISCLAIMER up its called NEGLEAGENCE

If someone hurts themselves on talc you will get a claim as a promoter/venue owner, disclaimer or no disclaimer and if you do have a disclaimer it is like I said not worth the paper it is written on. The act of negligence is where the promoter or venue owner has done nothing to stop the use of talc. If a promoter/venue owner encourages the use of talc then more fool them really as they wouldn't have a leg to stand on (no pun intended) in a court of law if a claim was made.

I agree with you regarding drinks, it is stupid and if anyone is seen at Lifeline dancing with drinks on the floor then a word is had in their ear.

[Guest julesp1905]

I agree with you regarding drinks, it is stupid and if anyone is seen at Lifeline dancing with drinks on the floor then a word is had in their ear.

Regarding drinks on the dancefloor, most nightclubs actually forbid it, and have security in place to prevent it, as it is acknowledged that it leads to slips/trips and falls.

I Djed at a club back in the 90's knew the owner well, he got sued because someone fell off a stage and broke their ankle, lost in court because the edge wasn't marked with a white strip, that cost him 20 grand. it goes down to simple things like that.

[Billywhizz]

I can assure you Billy i have never ever used it and to put the record straight mate, Its was never used by any dancer i was associated with in the early Casino days nor did Frank Booper, Squeek or Jethro ever had any call to use it.As far i remember once the Divs started pitching up by the coach load thats when it all started, people just had it in there heads it made you spin better wot a fuking joke that was.That was down to hard work good technique, balance & practice with the right footwear for the job. Mind you ,you have got one thing right 35 years ago 1976 just about the time it started and i stopped going.

Yeah you're right Irish, I can't remember any talc at station road in the early days. Hard work, good technique, balance and practice, you had all that in the early days, gotta be the best spinner i've come across and i've come across alot over the years. Hope to see you at the 100 club. Take care.

Billy

[old but nimble]

No there isn't any talc.No I wasn't there....I have met the Nicholas Brothers when they came over from the US(about 89) and did a talk at the Barbican.Brothers In Jazz (UK Dance troupe are big fans).I would not be so stupid to ask them if they used talc.How come other dancing scenes don't use talc..Lindyhoppers/jivvers/rock'n roll.It's just one of the naff bits that everyone thinks they need (in the manual).I have actually slopped water on a floor to get rid of talc.Anyway off to the Dingwalls reunion today.....ton's of great dancers, bumpy floor,spinners,splits,knee drops....and not a bit of talc in sight.

Get Real, these are different floor surfaces to the ones most soul nights are held, again i repeat it depends on how the floor is cleaned and polished as to whether ypu have to use talc

[Wiggyflat]

Get Real, these are different floor surfaces to the ones most soul nights are held, again i repeat it depends on how the floor is cleaned and polished as to whether ypu have to use talc

You get real I have just come back from a Dingwalls reunion...heavy jazz/jazz funk dancing,spinning,knee drops,russian rolls.The whole lot.Not a drop of talc in sight.It's all about balance and practice.Only one spilt drink.I've done floors from the Kings Hall/Ritz/100 Club/Morecambe...etc etc.Never needed talc just a good pair of leather soled shoes a lot of practice and good balance.

[Guest soul elite]

Its all about balance,practice etc.... Get off your high horse! If we didn't NEED it we wouldn't use it would we??

[Guest Marky Tee]

Well I just had a chat with Ernestine Eady and she is adamant................."Lets talc it over" But its all a matter of taste, if you wanna talc, go to a talcable venue, if you don't like talc, don't bloody go. Just visit the Victor Sylvestre sponsored venues where talc is taboo. Hey wasn't Taboo the name of a talc, or was it Tabac?

My gripe are those matching circle skirts, whats that all about girls?

Edited November 21, 2011 by Marky Tee

[Winnie :-)]

I used to have a pair of shoes with felt on the soles, on the plus side talc wasn't needed, on the minus, even standing up was dangerous

[Guest ritchie]

Witnessed the two extremes Saturday night ...

Responsible "Talcies " small amount specific to their dancing area,

dancing commenced immediately..

Irresponsible "Talcies" Huge amounts of the white stuff sprayed liberally all over the the place, like they were doing the bleedin shake and vac... Then wander off (stagger off) to the bar . Dancing? what's dancing? I'm here to Talc!!!

[Guest Marky Tee]

I think we should all feel blessed that our music demands a dancing style that requires actually moving our feet. Thank the lord we don't have to dance like today's young un's whose feet are firmly planted.It reminds me of somebody whose shoes are super-glued to the floor and they are trying to pull their feet out without undoing their footwear. They must do it to prevent drink spillage.

Call that dancing?.............Aw shut up Dad, I get that a lot hehe.

[Guest ritchie]

Witnessed the two extremes Saturday night ...

Responsible "Talcies " small amount specific to their dancing area,

dancing commenced immediately..

Irresponsible "Talcies" Huge amounts of the white stuff sprayed liberally all over the the place, like they were doing the bleedin shake and vac... Then wander off (stagger off) to the bar . Dancing? what's dancing? I'm here to Talc!!!

Witnessed the two extremes Saturday night ...

Responsible "Talcies " small amount specific to their dancing area,

dancing commenced immediately..

Irresponsible "Talcies" Huge amounts of the white stuff sprayed liberally all over the the place, like they were doing the bleedin shake and vac... Then wander off (stagger off) to the bar . Dancing? what's dancing? I'm here to Talc!!!

PS I can vouch that Soul Elite is a responsible "Talcie"

Also it looks like TALC(albeit in its coarser for..."sand") was the preferable sliding agent back in the day...This was because they had not yet invented TALC and sand was the smallest the could go with the current technology ... or flour, which would just be wrong. EVIDENCE!!!

[Sweeney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq7DGvfnr3U&feature=related

[Guest Marky Tee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq7DGvfnr3U&feature=related

See what I mean they even wore matching outfits back then

[Guest soul elite]

Thankyou Ritchie...   =^)  xxx

[KevH]

I'd like to know from the Talcie's - what do you use? Johnson's baby powder? Or is there an elitism among talc users?.Maybe something from the back of the cupboard,an old present perhaps?

[Guest lambrettanik]

No there isn't any talc.No I wasn't there....I have met the Nicholas Brothers when they came over from the US(about 89) and did a talk at the Barbican.Brothers In Jazz (UK Dance troupe are big fans).I would not be so stupid to ask them if they used talc.How come other dancing scenes don't use talc..Lindyhoppers/jivvers/rock'n roll.It's just one of the naff bits that everyone thinks they need (in the manual).I have actually slopped water on a floor to get rid of talc.Anyway off to the Dingwalls reunion today.....ton's of great dancers, bumpy floor,spinners,splits,knee drops....and not a bit of talc in sight.

lucky you meeting two of my heroes,but the issue here is the use of talc at northen venues,not the jazz,lindy or rock n roll scenes-they never used talc on the punk,rock,new romantic,breakin or rave scenes etc either(ive mentioned them because i feel like yourself including irelevant musical cultures).id love to know who decided that talc was suddenley a contraband substance after all this time. its use has become the norm on the scene.as i pointed out in another thread ive seen more people get belted from people spinning anothers getting kicks from dancers doing acrobatics-are they going to ban doing this next???,i just think its paranoid promoters who are blowing this out of proportion and not focusing on other more important issues.yeh there are "talc bandits" who try to make the floor like a xmas card scene then walk off or who just cant dance and shuffle

[Guest lambrettanik]

I'd like to know from the Talcie's - what do you use? Johnson's baby powder? Or is there an elitism among talc users?.Maybe something from the back of the cupboard,an old present perhaps?

aint fussy owt will do,ive even danced in my socks when i didnt have talc

[Guest BENSON BOY]

PS I can vouch that Soul Elite is a responsible "Talcie"

Also it looks like TALC(albeit in its coarser for..."sand") was the preferable sliding agent back in the day...This was because they had not yet invented TALC and sand was the smallest the could go with the current technology ... or flour, which would just be wrong. EVIDENCE!!!

What have you done Richie,

see folk turning up at events with buckets of sand just to see which works the best.

what shall it be sand or talc ?

Great video though.

maz

[Guest lambrettanik]

lets ban it then!then i can go to cost co and stock up and sell it on the black market and pack my job in and become a "talc dealer" and sell another powdered substance that people frown up on its use because its such a dangerous substance-and when people powder their "bits" after a shower or apply it to their children they can get charged with substance or child abuse! grow up or go away and stop trying to spoil my/our scene with petty your worries

[Guest Marky Tee]

lets ban it then!then i can go to cost co and stock up and sell it on the black market and pack my job in and become a "talc dealer" and sell another powdered substance that people frown up on its use because its such a dangerous substance-and when people powder their "bits" after a shower or apply it to their children they can get charged with substance or child abuse! grow up or go away and stop trying to spoil my/our scene with petty your worries

Lets not ban it until just after xmas cuz i can ask all my family to buy me gallons of the stuff. And if the price goes up high enough I can cut it with cocaine. Edited November 21, 2011 by Marky Tee

[Guest ritchie]

lets ban it then!then i can go to cost co and stock up and sell it on the black market and pack my job in and become a "talc dealer" and sell another powdered substance that people frown up on its use because its such a dangerous substance-and when people powder their "bits" after a shower or apply it to their children they can get charged with substance or child abuse! grow up or go away and stop trying to spoil my/our scene with petty your worries

Now Nik........ It is one thing possessing TALC ,,

But possessing TALC with the intent to supply is a whole new thread & carries much greater penalties.

I really hope you think this through.

[Guest soul elite]

I love it you guys,putting it into perspective again... haha XXX

[Guest lambrettanik]

so lets ban the following-1 talc because of the slip risk.2 load music it makes you deaf over 85 decibels.3 high stages due to the risk of falling from height.4glass at venues risk of cutting,4 low ambient lighting-risk of bumping into an object.5flashing lights -induces some ephilepsy.6records over a certain tempo -may induce exhaustion.7spinning-risk of hitting some one.8 acrobatics-maybe cause self inflicted injury due to not warming up properley and hitting onlookers.9certain djs with boring sets -may induce coma.10sharp dressers-their creases pose a risk of cutting innocent bystanders.10 big flares-may catch some as they walk past....do i need to go on!? its starting to get beyond a joke bannig talc because it may cause an injury or liable case.nobody in 30 plus years of the scene to my knowledge has sued for a claim on this.what will we be left with??-yeh an old folks home full of paranoid health and safety nazis .you may finaly kill off the scene that you so called love because you think you may get sued or dont want to pay someone for cleaning the floor after the event

[Guest ritchie]

Penhaligon's Lily and Spice Talcum Powder 100g Tin THIS IS THE TALC WE WANT!!!!!

Lily and Spice is sensual and edgy, a floriental flirt, carnally spiced, thick with hedonistic blooms and musk. Heavenly scented. Saffron, the world's most expensive spice, earthy and warm, wraps itself around the heady oozing sweetness :lol:of White Madonna lily. This incredibly lush accord plunges into dark spices, sparkling musk and thick swathes of clove-studded vanilla. The final effect is remarkable. The vanilla cream perfume of the lilies blends beautifully with the darker edgier elements.

[Chalky]

talc is a slip risk regardless how much you might need it. I've seen someone break their arm on it and other injuries as well. If I remember rightly some member of a council's staff got injured on it and claimed, thats why it is banned in many council establishments.

Before you say owt I do like a bit of talc when I do venture onto the floor. I don't however put it on the carpet under my chair and rub my feet in it when I need it and therefore grind it into the carpet. Neither do I wipe my feet on the chairs at the end of the night or the curtains to clean my shoes...and this does and has happened. Makes you wonder how some live at home. And you wonder why more and more venues are banning the use of talc.

[Guest ritchie]

. Makes you wonder how some live at home.

[Naughty Boy]

talc is a slip risk regardless how much you might need it. I've seen someone break their arm on it and other injuries as well. If I remember rightly some member of a council's staff got injured on it and claimed, thats why it is banned in many council establishments.

Exactly Chalky , if the management turn a blind eye to it being placed and a member of staff has a accident then they are liable period ............. its all part of their Risk A's

[Guest mellytee]

Ritchie is sensual and edgy, a floriental flirt, carnally spiced, thick with hedonistic blooms and musk. Heavenly scented.

Couldn't have put it better myself!!!!!

[good angel]

I use abit of talc but only for recreational use.

[Guest soul elite]

Well Chalky they are a minority so don't judge all by their bad behaviour please.

[Chalky]

Well Chalky they are a minority so don't judge all by their bad behaviour please.

I'm not judging anyone, just pointing out some things I've seen and experienced and I agree they are a minority but as in most cases it is usually a minority that spoil it for the majority.