Pete S Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Sorry about this but having received a huge quantity of records recently, there are stacks that I don't know, and I have tried to do the research before posting up. First one is CARLOS CASH & THE MONEY MASTERS - USE YOUR HEAD - CASH MONEY I know this is a guy called Carl Sims on his own label, just need to know if it has any value EIGHT EASY PIECES - IT'S GOTTA BE LOVE - STUDIO 1 RECORDS Obviously this is not the Jamaican Studio 1 label, even though the logo looks very similar. It's a fairly interesting amateurish band number, two singers, harmonies, uptempo backing. Label is from Tazewell, Virginia. Last one PAMS - THAT'S MY BABY / HE'S A CHILLY LITTLE THING - CATAMOUNT 781 Top side uptempo Northern, B side dated sounding 60's number but might possibly be retro cuts? I also need an accurate value on THE ESSENCE OF LOVE - I WANT TO SHARE MY LOVE WITH YOU on K CITY PROMO COPY thanks all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest trickbag Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 EUGENE SMILEY AND THE ESSENCE OF LOVE we're lovers day and night / yes it's you Eugene Smiley is an artist who played all kind of music ranging from Blues with his band "Mighty BWB Show Band" to Soul. After featuring vocalist for his first soul band visitors in the 60s and early 70s, Eugene decided to leave the label "Dakar Records" to perform with different soul stars such as Johnnie Taylor, Al Green, Rufus Thomas, Bobby Womack, Al Green, the Stylistics, Eddy Kendrics, The Chi-lites, .... In 1978, he formed the band "The Essence Of Love" and established with Keith Montgomery and Albert White their own label "K-City Record". He recorded this great single including "yes it's you" and an other rare single "(I want to) Share My Love with you / Marry Me". Style : Funk 70s / Soul Funk Bands / Early Funk / Rare Groove Media : 7inch (SP) Label : k-city Press : IRDA 481 Year : 1978 Country : USA Staff : keith montgomery (producer,arranger) Value : G Visitors ratings : Be the first one to rate this release Groovecollector Guide ID : 4487 some info pete,sorry no price ricky. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Ricky - cheers - apparently Essence Of Love came out first as Eugene Smiley. At one point it was £700 but now around £400. This is what I'm told. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 the pams is not expensive, maybe $50 max. they have another record on the MP label and I paid like $100 which is the most I've ever seen it go for. They were both produced by Jimmy Webb, I think an east coast group. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I nearly bought that Pams record off a guy at the Bridlington Weekender earlier this year, he had £40 on it I think. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Ricky - cheers - apparently Essence Of Love came out first as Eugene Smiley. At one point it was £700 but now around £400. This is what I'm told. Yes but the one Pete has is only worth about £30-£40 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yes but the one Pete has is only worth about £30-£40 But with practically no sightings of a copy, sounds a bit cheap! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thanks for the info on The Pams folks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Essence Of Love. This one is starting to do my head in now. Dave T reckons it's only worth £20, the book price or popsike price, can't remember which, is £700+ I've got two solid offers ten times more than Dave's valuation. It's the same track both sides, I Want To Share My Love With You, an uptempo modern soul dancer. Please - anyone got a definitive price? I'd like to sell it but I don't want to overcharge, same time I don't want to undercharge! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Pete, the Essence Of Love 45 you have is neither on Popsike nor in Manship's guide. The people you're talking to (except Dave) seems to be confusing it with the "Yes It's You" 45 which was released both as Eugene Smiley And The Essence Of Love and also as just Essence Of Love. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Pete, the Essence Of Love 45 you have is neither on Popsike nor in Manship's guide. The people you're talking to (except Dave) seems to be confusing it with the "Yes It's You" 45 which was released both as Eugene Smiley And The Essence Of Love and also as just Essence Of Love. Sebastian - thanks for clearing that up! You are right, I was the one confused with the Manship price guide price. So is it a) unknown or b) known but not worth anything? Someone obviously does know it.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Sebastian - thanks for clearing that up! You are right, I was the one confused with the Manship price guide price. So is it a) unknown or b) known but not worth anything? Someone obviously does know it.. It's not unknown Pete, well maybe to some of those who returned to the scene? It has had plays over the years, especially the 80's. Price, I guess what Dave said. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Sebastian - thanks for clearing that up! You are right, I was the one confused with the Manship price guide price. So is it a) unknown or b) known but not worth anything? Someone obviously does know it.. I quite like it - for a 70s tune Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 It's not unknown Pete, well maybe to some of those who returned to the scene? It has had plays over the years, especially the 80's. Price, I guess what Dave said. Chalky, if it's what Dave said I wouldn't have two offers of £250 each I don't think. Somebody come up with a copy for sale or thats been sold. I don't care - I'm just moving it on for someone - but it sure ain't £20! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Dunno why it isn't showing in searches Pete. Take what you've been offered Pete, nothing to do with anyone else really. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 There's been a couple of threads on here going back to 2005, and a couple of people after it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Chalky, if it's what Dave said I wouldn't have two offers of £250 each I don't think. Somebody come up with a copy for sale or thats been sold. I don't care - I'm just moving it on for someone - but it sure ain't £20! Pete, snap thier hand off and think no more of it. If I'm wrong then you've got what the market is willing to pay, if I'm right, well done mate. Either way you asked for some help and advice and to the best of my knowledge I gave you what I could, but no one knows everything. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) price is 60,000 yen apparently Pete https://translate.goo...%26prmd%3Dimvns 60,000.00 JPY = 484.873 GBP But thats a promo..... Edited November 10, 2011 by MrC Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Dave I'm not ungrateful for your help, quite the opposite, I just don't want to f*ck up for the person I'm selling it for thats why I am trying to get to the bottom of it all. Paul, this one is also a promo. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 price is 60,000 yen apparently Pete https://translate.goo...%26prmd%3Dimvns 60,000.00 JPY = 484.873 GBP But thats a promo..... That was an auction, and it got no bids at that price Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Ok, my last word on it. A few years ago several of us spoke to Eugene, he had copies of all his stuff he sold the other one for about $600+, this one he sold at $40 each I had a few and took ages to sell them and sold them for very little. Now times change, taste change so maybe some people now want it and are ready to buy at £200+, fine their choice. But to me compaired to the other track it's average and if I found a bunch I'd still sell it low. As for non on Popsike, etc, I have boxes of records, that have never sold on the webb as far as I can see, does that mean they are worth £££, non of it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Pete.....if someone is offering you £250 and there's more than one ....put it up for offers Its not as desirable or should i say as indemand as "yes it's you" ..but i would say it is not an easy one to find . P.S That Japanese copy has been up for auction at that starting price for a very long time Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I was only trying to point out there was at least one copy up for sale somewhere, and sold or not, someone obviously expects to get more than £20 for it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Okay so what about this Morris on Plush then, "Can we melt the ice"? Lust on Cash records. Sammy Gaha on Right On. I have around 50 or 60 titles like this which I'll be selling in the next few weeks & months. I have asked for some expert opinions and even they vary wildly. I should stick to what I know - Northern! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Okay so what about this Morris on Plush then, "Can we melt the ice"? Lust on Cash records. Sammy Gaha on Right On. I have around 50 or 60 titles like this which I'll be selling in the next few weeks & months. I have asked for some expert opinions and even they vary wildly. I should stick to what I know - Northern! these records turn up for sale, you can get some prices from popsike. the essence of love you have doesn't really come up for sale. if it was really good it would be a monster record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Sammy Gaha on Right On. 200 plus...? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 these records turn up for sale, you can get some prices from popsike. the essence of love you have doesn't really come up for sale. if it was really good it would be a monster record. Don't like to rely on popsike - what if two people had been chasing the same record and bumped the price up - prefer to hear from people who've had the records and sold them. Anyway, doesn't hurt to toss it out there and see what happens does it, after all, thats what this part of the site is meant to be about! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Don't like to rely on popsike - what if two people had been chasing the same record and bumped the price up - prefer to hear from people who've had the records and sold them. Anyway, doesn't hurt to toss it out there and see what happens does it, after all, thats what this part of the site is meant to be about! that's true, but if there are multiple sales it can give you a more accurate idea. anyways, the lust has gone down from a few years ago as a bunch (not a lot) of copies have come up for sale since. I think one ended on ebay in the last couple weeks. I would say around $300 or maybe $400 on the lust if mint. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 that's true, but if there are multiple sales it can give you a more accurate idea. anyways, the lust has gone down from a few years ago as a bunch (not a lot) of copies have come up for sale since. I think one ended on ebay in the last couple weeks. I would say around $300 or maybe $400 on the lust if mint. Boba , mate , sometimes you just come across as not 'Suffering fools gladly' as we say over here? not being funny, because I read your input with interest , you are a very knowledgeable bloke , sometimes a bit harsh though ? Helmet On Then !!! Cheers Swifty Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Boba , mate , sometimes you just come across as not 'Suffering fools gladly' as we say over here? not being funny, because I read your input with interest , you are a very knowledgeable bloke , sometimes a bit harsh though ? Helmet On Then !!! Cheers Swifty Sorry, I don't know the expression. Are you saying I come across as a dick? That's probably true, and I apologize for it, I'm just a smartass in general and not trying to actually be malicious to anybody. But in this thread I'm not seeing what you're talking about. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. Thanks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dazz Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Pete The thing on K-City I have at some stage seen on a British dealers list for £100 pounds surprisingly I have never logged one thru eBay compared with the 9 or 10 copies of Eugene Smiley logged thru. Perhaps this explains why you can't find it on Popsike I have a note to say that only black demo copies exist and of course it had Eugene Smiley involvement. Incidentally I also have a note to say that for me It's not worth buying NWB Disco but I'm sure it's rarer than the big money item. "Snap" "crackle" "pop" by David Morris on Plush is around £50 $22 $31 $42 on eBay perhaps yours is a touch rarer Any good? Depending on the number of the thing on Cash I could only hazard an educated guess Hope this helps 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Sorry, I don't know the expression. Are you saying I come across as a dick? That's probably true, and I apologize for it, I'm just a smartass in general and not trying to actually be malicious to anybody. But in this thread I'm not seeing what you're talking about. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. Thanks. Boba , have sent you pm with apoligies , I misread your reply (too many wines) sorry mate Swifty Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Boba , have sent you pm with apoligies , I misread your reply (too many wines) sorry mate Swifty thanks a lot. but i really do apologize if i come across as a jerk sometimes! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 thanks a lot. but i really do apologize if i come across as a jerk sometimes! You have nothing to worry about Bob, plenty of others come across as jerks at times. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) Carlos Cash And The Money Masters - Use Your Head (Parts one and two)Cash Money Records 4241 (1983). Value - no less than £15.00 uk pounds and worth no more than £20.00 uk pounds. Was around in small quantities during the mid eighties via Soul Bowl. Never received much playtime or attention back then. Boba's knowledge is priceless and his posts are much valued - Thanks. Edited November 11, 2011 by Nick Harrison Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Carlos Cash And The Money Masters - Use Your Head (Parts one and two)Cash Money Records 4241 (1983). Value - no less than £15.00 uk pounds and worth no more than £20.00 uk pounds. Was around in small quantities during the mid eighties via Soul Bowl. Never received much playtime or attention back then. Boba's knowledge is priceless and his posts are much valued - Thanks. Thanks Nick. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Pete The thing on K-City I have at some stage seen on a British dealers list for £100 pounds surprisingly I have never logged one thru eBay compared with the 9 or 10 copies of Eugene Smiley logged thru. Perhaps this explains why you can't find it on Popsike I have a note to say that only black demo copies exist and of course it had Eugene Smiley involvement. Incidentally I also have a note to say that for me It's not worth buying NWB Disco but I'm sure it's rarer than the big money item. "Snap" "crackle" "pop" by David Morris on Plush is around £50 $22 $31 $42 on eBay perhaps yours is a touch rarer Any good? Depending on the number of the thing on Cash I could only hazard an educated guess Hope this helps Dazz - different thing altogether mate, I've got a couple of the Snap Crackle Pop 45, yellow label, £30. The Morris on Plush is shown below. It's got a £300 minimum on it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Glynthornhill Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Okay so what about this Morris on Plush then, "Can we melt the ice"? Sold mine for £550 five years back Pete- very rare less than 10 copies came into Uk via Mike Ward when a new release - don' t listen to punters who says its not - this is seriously rare solid centre 45....his other twelves have fetched £30/50 pounds and they ain' t a patch on this 45.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Okay so what about this Morris on Plush then, "Can we melt the ice"? Sold mine for £550 five years back Pete- very rare less than 10 copies came into Uk via Mike Ward when a new release - don' t listen to punters who says its not - this is seriously rare solid centre 45....his other twelves have fetched £30/50 pounds and they ain' t a patch on this 45.... Thanks Glyn. Now sold. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hi Guys Having been to see Smiley recently I can add a little more to THE ESSENCE OF LOVE - I WANT TO SHARE MY LOVE WITH YOU - K CITY. The track was recorded around the same time as 'Yes it's you', but not released until many years later. Smiley is a little vague as to when but 90's at the earliest. For this reason he only ever sold them for a fraction of the other 45 (£30-£40) I have a copy that he gave me, it clearly is a later thin wax, bump edge pressing and the label has dot printing, not old fashioned black printing. So as I said at the time of this original post, I would value this way lower than the 'Yes it's you'. Now if people want to offer Pete S £££ for it, then buyers choice, but is it worth than, I'd say no. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hi Guys Having been to see Smiley recently I can add a little more to THE ESSENCE OF LOVE - I WANT TO SHARE MY LOVE WITH YOU - K CITY. The track was recorded around the same time as 'Yes it's you', but not released until many years later. Smiley is a little vague as to when but 90's at the earliest. For this reason he only ever sold them for a fraction of the other 45 (£30-£40) I have a copy that he gave me, it clearly is a later thin wax, bump edge pressing and the label has dot printing, not old fashioned black printing. So as I said at the time of this original post, I would value this way lower than the 'Yes it's you'. Now if people want to offer Pete S £££ for it, then buyers choice, but is it worth than, I'd say no. Post is over 2 years old Dave, got none of those anymore. I don't even remember them! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jason S Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 He's got the Eugene Smiley version on his site at $650 though - different take, but doesn't seem to have the Essence of Love 45 anymore?. https://www.kcityrecords.com/buy/rare_soul_music_collection_i_want_to_share_my_love_with_you/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Having been to see Smiley recently I can add a little more to THE ESSENCE OF LOVE - I WANT TO SHARE MY LOVE WITH YOU - K CITY. The track was recorded around the same time as 'Yes it's you', but not released until many years later. Smiley is a little vague as to when but 90's at the earliest. For this reason he only ever sold them for a fraction of the other 45 (£30-£40) I have a copy that he gave me, it clearly is a later thin wax, bump edge pressing and the label has dot printing, not old fashioned black printing. So as I said at the time of this original post, I would value this way lower than the 'Yes it's you'. Now if people want to offer Pete S £££ for it, then buyers choice, but is it worth than, I'd say no. I think you're mixing up two different pressings of this 45. If I read the sales blurb on his homepage right, the white labelled K-CITY 45 of this (which he is selling for $650!) features a slower version and was pressed in 2012 (it has been "sitting on the shelf for 34 years", 1978+34 = 2012). The black labelled PROMO copies were pressed in 1978. The promo that I've got is definitely not a 90's or 2010+ pressing. From the homepage: "I WANT TO SHARE MY LOVE WITH YOU This vinyl 45 was never released and only a few promo copies were pressed in 1978. This was the year the new Disco Scene became all the rage, so the K-City Records team decided not to release ”I Want To Share My Love With You.” The song has been sitting on the shelf for 34 years and now some of you lucky fans with your own copies have begun to sell those 45s, because of the music’s exclusivity. The buyer of the slower-tempo arrangement of “I Want To Share My Love With You” 45 vinyl record will receive a complimentary Bio with an autographed photo from the original artist "Mr. Eugene Smiley" of The Essence of Love. This Collector’s Item is in very good condition." https://www.kcityrecords.com/buy/rare_soul_music_collection_i_want_to_share_my_love_with_you/ Am I missing something here? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) I think you're mixing up two different pressings of this 45. If I read the sales blurb on his homepage right, the white labelled K-CITY 45 of this (which he is selling for $650!) features a slower version and was pressed in 2012 (it has been "sitting on the shelf for 34 years", 1978+34 = 2012). The black labelled PROMO copies were pressed in 1978. The promo that I've got is definitely not a 90's or 2010+ pressing. From the homepage: "I WANT TO SHARE MY LOVE WITH YOU This vinyl 45 was never released and only a few promo copies were pressed in 1978. This was the year the new Disco Scene became all the rage, so the K-City Records team decided not to release ”I Want To Share My Love With You.” The song has been sitting on the shelf for 34 years and now some of you lucky fans with your own copies have begun to sell those 45s, because of the music’s exclusivity. The buyer of the slower-tempo arrangement of “I Want To Share My Love With You” 45 vinyl record will receive a complimentary Bio with an autographed photo from the original artist "Mr. Eugene Smiley" of The Essence of Love. This Collector’s Item is in very good condition." https://www.kcityrecords.com/buy/rare_soul_music_collection_i_want_to_share_my_love_with_you/ Am I missing something here? essence of love.jpg eugene.jpg Hi Seb No your not missing anything. Your right the Black copies were pressed back then and are original and maybe worth £££. It maybe that I owe Pete S an apology, I thought the ones he was talking about then and people have recently paid silly money for are the white label (recent re-presses) Dave Edited January 3, 2014 by Dave Thorley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hi Seb No your not missing anything. Your right the Black copies were pressed back then and are original and maybe worth £££. It maybe that I owe Pete S an apology, I thought the ones he was talking about then and people have recently paid silly money for are the white label (recent re-presses) Dave Pete had a black labelled copy. The original black labelled release of "I Want To Share..." must be far rarer than either of the pressings of "It's You Girl". Perhaps not an as good or in-demand tune, but much harder to find. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Pete had a black labelled copy. The original black labelled release of "I Want To Share..." must be far rarer than either of the pressings of "It's You Girl". Perhaps not an as good or in-demand tune, but much harder to find. Very true Sebastian and so I do owe Pete an apology. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Very true Sebastian and so I do owe Pete an apology. You don't owe me an apology, it's just a discussion about records I think...much more important things to worry about after my record shed roof blew off last night (see batten down the hatches thread) 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You don't owe me an apology, it's just a discussion about records I think...much more important things to worry about after my record shed roof blew off last night (see batten down the hatches thread) Sure I do Pete, courtesy cost nothing. Now more importantly hope you're saving what you can from the shed. PS Happy New Year Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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