Guest MrC Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Well, it seems from the e-bay ads I can see on Soul Source there's a William Powell for sale, currently around $4500 I think. Gonna be more heartaches than souveneir for me as I couldn't possibly afford it! Great record, just how rare is it? How many copies are known to be knocking about? Can't be many, it's something you never hear, and never see for sale, and when that happens with something this good, it's usually because there's only a couple and they're with collectors who aren't DJ's or are abroad. What do you think the final price will be? Paul.
Agentsmith Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 i know of two...residing with arthur fenn & ginger taylor...other than those, not sure how many other djs have it and as for private collectors, its anybody's guess but there definitel aren't many.
Md Records Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 I had one, about 2 Years ago, found in amongst a pile of random records in Pittsburgh, if that wasn't enough there was a "Ringleaders" in there as well. Des Parker
Guest MrC Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 I had one, about 2 Years ago, found in amongst a pile of random records in Pittsburgh, if that wasn't enough there was a "Ringleaders" in there as well. Des Parker Quite a find, I take it you didn't pay over $4500 for it! (or is it yours that's for sale?)
Guest sharmo 1 Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Tim Brown has/had it , I think Butch has one and Carl Fortnum has/had one does Ted have one regards Simon.
Md Records Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Nah I kept it and played it out for about 6 months, then was made a very, very fair offer for it, and ate rather well that week. Des Parker
Ted Massey Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 never had it had a chance to buy it in 1988 for 120 quid and turned it down
Jumpinjoan Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Never rated this record at all. No doubt I'm in the minority but jeez it's boring. 1
Guest sharmo 1 Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Never rated this record at all. No doubt I'm in the minority but jeez it's boring. Hi Joan how are you mate I have to agree with you I alway's found it weak keep smiling sweet cakes best regards Simon.XX.
Chalky Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 been at least three through ebay last two or three years. It's great Northern but the bloke can't sing
Guest Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Never rated this record at all. No doubt I'm in the minority but jeez it's boring. hi there jj nope you are not alone in thinking its boring shiyte,I hate it and if I ever found a copy I would definately break it ,its over rated,over priced,over hyped garbage,like many records sacrificed quality just for rarity/egoism.Big deal ! Great for the usual faces to auction tho' Rob.
Agentsmith Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Never rated this record at all. No doubt I'm in the minority but jeez it's boring. fair comment joan, it dont suit everybody's taste, thats understandable....i love it!!, its sparse instrumentation carries it along and william's bland voice projects the simple lyrics so innocently.....and watching the reaction to it at RAREST OF THE RARE at THE RITZ, MAY-DAY BANK HOLIDAY ALL-NIGHTER....WITH ITS BOUNCING DANCEFLOOR...ABSOLUTELY RAMMED! tim sold his to the little bloke at the top of mankinholes for 4.5k...the only time ive heard it played in two different rooms by two different djs?...kings hall, stoke. 1
Soulman Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) Had it many moons ago but as with lots of my collection, it got sold. Think it went to Carl Fortnum for some outragous price of £100 quid at the time although it's so long ago I could be wrong. Such is life Edited November 5, 2011 by soulman
Guest gordon russell Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Never rated this record at all. No doubt I'm in the minority but jeez it's boring. cor blimey joan....you're cheery these days :lol:
boba Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Didn't craig moerer have it up buy-it-now for $5000 for a long time?
Raresoul45s Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Didn't craig moerer have it up buy-it-now for $5000 for a long time? Yes Boba Im sure Criag had a couple of copies about 18 months back, up for $5000. Still a very rare tune despite a few surfacing in the last couple of years. I heard the man from mankinholes spin this the other week and again it rammed the floor. Not everyones cup of tea but it certainly gets the dance floor going. Personally I like it. Cheers Darren
Sjclement Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Can't help thinking of Detroit Sounds of Friction every time I hear William Powell, must have had them on a tape together, rate them both but which is the rarer?
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 but which is the rarer? William Powell................. .But even now, just like way back them "a played out rare oldie".
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) Never rated this record at all. No doubt I'm in the minority but jeez it's boring. Joan like me finds Court Davis is a far better sounding record . Edited November 5, 2011 by Nick Harrison
Guest giant Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Yes Boba Im sure Criag had a couple of copies about 18 months back, up for $5000. Still a very rare tune despite a few surfacing in the last couple of years. I heard the man from mankinholes spin this the other week and again it rammed the floor. Not everyones cup of tea but it certainly gets the dance floor going. Personally I like it. Cheers Darren Hi Darren ' i agree with you nice tune but not every ones cup of tea
Guest giant Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 William Powell................. .But even now, just like way back them "a played out rare oldie". Richard Searling use to play it at the Casino way back in the 70's.
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Richard Searling use to play it at the Casino way back in the 70's. Indeed RS did, airing it during 1978 and becoming popular throughout 1979. 1
Harry Crosby Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Indeed RS did, airing it during 1978 and becoming popular throughout 1979. Strange this i can`t remember it at W/C allways associated it with Rotherham clifton hall, not questioning its playing at W/C just reminds me of Clifton hall
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Strange this i can`t remember it at W/C allways associated it with Rotherham clifton hall, not questioning its playing at W/C just reminds me of Clifton hall That's a fair and honest understanding as Mr Searling spun it for some years and would have been still playlisted during RS's Rotherham sets. First covered as Bobby Jason - All These Things, if I remember correctly...................but hey ho .
Prophonics 2029 Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Would prefer William Powell to a copy of Bobby Jason any day even if he can't sing.
Guest MrC Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 That's a fair and honest understanding as Mr Searling spun it for some years and would have been still playlisted during RS's Rotherham sets. First covered as Bobby Jason - All These Things, if I remember correctly...................but hey ho . Absolutely correct on all points
Trev Thomas Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 first discovered , covered up , and played by arthur fenn ,
KevH Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Can't help thinking of Detroit Sounds of Friction every time I hear William Powell, must have had them on a tape together, rate them both but which is the rarer? I really can't hear the similarity at all SJ...rarer? - WP? DSoF sounds early 70's production.More polished.WP sounds like one take,kitchen sink,,60's type production.
Philb Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Tim Brown has/had it , I think Butch has one and Carl Fortnum has/had one does Ted have one regards Simon. That was Duncan Morris's old copy i believe.
Dave Abbott Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Tim Brown has/had it , I think Butch has one and Carl Fortnum has/had one does Ted have one regards Simon. Ginger now has Tims. Mick H has one (or did have?)
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 first discovered , covered up , and played by arthur fenn , Yes not forgotten this as Arthur was spinning it at the Snaith all dayers, but I cannot remember the cover up artist, was it also Bobby Jason - anyone recall? It was sort of strange to hear Arthur playing it again during his set at the november 2010 Thorne . Trev please forgive my rudeness - but is that a young Mick Shannon -Southhampton on your avatar photo.
Trev Thomas Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 Yes not forgotten this as Arthur was spinning it at the Snaith all dayers, but I cannot remember the cover up artist, was it also Bobby Jason - anyone recall? It was sort of strange to hear Arthur playing it again during his set at the november 2010 Thorne . Trev please forgive my rudeness - but is that a young Mick Shannon -Southhampton on your avatar photo. arthur covered it as bobby jason, then sold it to sam, who then sold it to searling, its strange that most people assiociate this record with searling as it was already an established sound by the time he got hold of it, and yes, its mike channon circa 1973
Soulman Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 arthur covered it as bobby jason, then sold it to sam, who then sold it to searling, its strange that most people assiociate this record with searling as it was already an established sound by the time he got hold of it, and yes, its mike channon circa 1973 Are you sure Trev. I'm sure I can remember both Uncle Dickie and Soulful Sam getting it from JA at the same time and I'm sure I got mine a few months later as it was going big. Could be wrong of course and, to be honest, I don't know where Arthur would fit in as i never really saw Arthur at the Bowl as much as I did Uncle Dickie and Sam. Old age creepeth up Aaaaagghhhh
Sjclement Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I really can't hear the similarity at all SJ...rarer? - WP? DSoF sounds early 70's production.More polished.WP sounds like one take,kitchen sink,,60's type production. No not similar (going a bit deaf not to mention daft) but I had them on the same c90 that got hammered in my car so I automatically associate the two, probably from one of RS's shows from jazz fm. Totally love them both how much is a DSOF then, can't afford the WP
Trev Thomas Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Are you sure Trev. I'm sure I can remember both Uncle Dickie and Soulful Sam getting it from JA at the same time and I'm sure I got mine a few months later as it was going big. Could be wrong of course and, to be honest, I don't know where Arthur would fit in as i never really saw Arthur at the Bowl as much as I did Uncle Dickie and Sam. Old age creepeth up Aaaaagghhhh arthur got his copy in the states then sold it to sam, maybe searling got his from anderson, but the first one was arthurs which he definatly picked up on one of his trips to the states a good while before searling got a copy, it was only a few months ago that arthur was telling me that searling was pretty miffed at the time because he sold it to sam and not him
Arthur Fenn Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Spot on as always Trev , sold mine to Sam after playing it out for a year or so then Sam traded it to Richard in that now famous crazy deal that involved WP- Don Gardner & Damon Fox for 3 70's records, Larry Houston, ZZ&Co & Dustin Wilson. This helped prove to John Anderson Sams commitment to the newer type of sound, life was so simple then! , Arthur.
Agentsmith Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Spot on as always Trev , sold mine to Sam after playing it out for a year or so then Sam traded it to Richard in that now famous crazy deal that involved WP- Don Gardner & Damon Fox for 3 70's records, Larry Houston, ZZ&Co & Dustin Wilson. This helped prove to John Anderson Sams commitment to the newer type of sound, life was so simple then! , Arthur. well done for stepping forward there, young arthur....i would have said richard but you've put the record straight and, nice to hear you spin it in the windsor suite at stoke....im puzzled at how it can be classed as a"played-out rare oldie",...there have never been enough copies around to bear out this theory, let alone in the hands of the dj's and dealers....even the price alone bears that out. BBBBRRRRRRR!!!....shivers down the spine when i hear that tambourine and thunderous piano intro!!.....different strokes for different folks yes?
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 ....im puzzled at how it can be classed as a "played-out rare oldie",... Why it's as simple as this IMHO........ First got to hear this rare tune before the masses, having been around a limited inner circle, who valued and acknowledged many a limited early exposure to those undiscovered records. Once sold and in the hands of Richard, and termed like many sixties newies, the masses pinned their badges to there own cloth and associated it with RS and Station Road. Back then a disassociation of this rare record developed and still haunts the few today. Rare it is and a oldie, underplayed amoung today's mis-informed followers, but then great to read it's having a better lease of life IMHO 30 plus years on, once the shackles of of W/C have been seriously removed.
Chalky Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 well done for stepping forward there, young arthur....i would have said richard but you've put the record straight and, nice to hear you spin it in the windsor suite at stoke....im puzzled at how it can be classed as a"played-out rare oldie",...there have never been enough copies around to bear out this theory, let alone in the hands of the dj's and dealers....even the price alone bears that out. BBBBRRRRRRR!!!....shivers down the spine when i hear that tambourine and thunderous piano intro!!.....different strokes for different folks yes? there might not have been many copies about but in the hands of Tim, Ginger, Mick, Arthur etc, between them they do a lot of sets and it does get heard on a regular basis
Guest MrC Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 there might not have been many copies about but in the hands of Tim, Ginger, Mick, Arthur etc, between them they do a lot of sets and it does get heard on a regular basis You still can't class it as an "overplayed" oldie though, surely?
Chalky Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 You still can't class it as an "overplayed" oldie though, surely? I'm not, but I guess some could if they hear said DJ's week in week out?
Arthur Fenn Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Guess i play it in the UK 3 times a year, it always blows me away but there are lots of other great oldies to choose from
Petebangor Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I'm sure Gary Rushbrooke was playing this late days of Wigan too
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