assuming the seller is telling the truth, they're gone now...

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110763104046#ht_1223wt_881

I don't think there were that many either, should definitely go up

I'd guess about 50-75 copies were sold. They were selling 2-3 per day for many days. I suspect some buyers asked to buy a few at a time.

I think this record is dull. I've listened to it several times and don't even remember what it sounded like.

  On 04/11/2011 at 19:00, George G said:

I'd guess about 50-75 copies were sold. They were selling 2-3 per day for many days. I suspect some buyers asked to buy a few at a time.

I think this record is dull. I've listened to it several times and don't even remember what it sounded like.

I personally don't like this record but it definitely has the right sound for some people. I don't think they sold a few at a time to people either because they wouldn't respond to any questions and specifically had text in their auctions about not selling off ebay. I think it's more likely they had a 25 count box.

I like it.With volume cranked up,would sound good.

I'd agree with George, it's dull and can't for the life of me see the appeal to an all-nighter goer, not the type of record I want to hear.

its a great double-sider, one side with that funky edge to it, the other is a proper group northern. at least IMVHO.

I just imagine it would have been only one copy on ebay...sold with a soundclip and a starting bid of say 500 USD...plus some smart soul-sourcer posting the auction link up on here...what would it have gone for ?...my guess 1500+ ....

  On 04/11/2011 at 19:28, boba said:

I personally don't like this record but it definitely has the right sound for some people. I don't think they sold a few at a time to people either because they wouldn't respond to any questions and specifically had text in their auctions about not selling off ebay. I think it's more likely they had a 25 count box.

well not at a time, but before you bought your copy (I saw you ) some buyers went for multiple buy it nows. fair do and no problem IMO.

  On 04/11/2011 at 20:33, Marc Forrest said:

well not at a time, but before you bought your copy (I saw you ) some buyers went for multiple buy it nows. fair do and no problem IMO.

actually i bought two copies, one for my collection and another to hold on to to sell or trade

The guy had 20 - all sold as the buyer listed terribly with NO mention of soul or funk in the listing. It was an estate find from Lennie Lecour. He had multiples of Harvey Scales Trackdown and Mar J's too. He auctioned the last one because everyone kept asking him for more copies at £160 a pop. The flip is of more interest to northern fans but the won;t you forgive side has been getting played by Mick H, Dave Abbott, marc and Gospel Bob to name a few. I playe dit at the 100 on Saturday just to see how it would go down and it got a surprisingly good reaction. I think it will do well on the mod scene. Asked the guy if he had Trying to Survive or CODs but he didn't have the latter and only a couple of the former - all now sold.

They definitely weren't selling at 2-3 per day. The guy selling had little to no knowledge of the funk soul market as you can tell by the listings, although he responded to me plenty. All his other listings outside of this Magic Touch find was stuff like baseball cards and other weird shit. Would explain why he kept selling them at buy it now for £160 (or $250) instead of auctioning each copy as the seller with the 40 or 50 Four Tracks did.

According to people on old threads on here this was once thought to be the very rarest Magic Touch 45? Prior to this little find asking prices on the scarce copies around was £500 (Anglo American) and £750.

Wonder if he will find a big old box of anything else??

Edited November 4, 201113 yr by corbett80

  On 04/11/2011 at 21:38, corbett80 said:

The guy had 20 - all sold as the buyer listed terribly with NO mention of soul or funk in the listing. It was an estate find from Lennie Lecour. He had multiples of Harvey Scales Trackdown and Mar J's too. He auctioned the last one because everyone kept asking him for more copies at £160 a pop. The flip is of more interest to northern fans but the won;t you forgive side has been getting played by Mick H, Dave Abbott, marc above to name a few. I playe dit at the 100 on Saturday just to see how it owuld go down and it got a surprisingly good reaction. I think it will do well on the mod scene. Asked the guy if he had Trying to Survive or CODs but he didn;t have the latter and only a couple of the former - all now sold.

thanks for the more accurate information, I appreciate it. I know sellers lie about quantity sometimes but this person seemed clueless enough (e.g. not listing it properly) that I would believe what they say.

I was dubious at first - had a copy anyway - but became condifent as you can be he was genuine too. A few fellow well known collectors had also had copies, which i believe is where the few kicking about recently have all come from. A couple of mod scene lads have also picked it up and as i sai i think maybe there is where it will do really well. I don't think it's a particularly bad record by any means - but as i say the flip is of more interest to northern fans i would of thought?

northern side:

Funk side getting rare soul scene action (sounds good with ricky allen btw)

just before these copies turned up a beat up copy went for I think like $600 on ebay. I had never seen it for sale before.

Another victim of its own rarity? Now with these copies around to be played the demand will cause the value to soon surpass the £500!

Just a thought

Only relevant i guess if you've bought the 45 as an 'investment' rather than because you like it.....

Edited November 5, 201113 yr by corbett80

Well for me being one of the guys on the mod scene side of things I've been playing the wont you forgive side followed by Ricky Allen on Tamboo and getting a great response re dancefloor action.

I wasn't aware of the record untill somebody put me on to the ebay seller,I certainly did buy it as a DJ and the fact I loved it and not to make a profit or as an investment.

  On 05/11/2011 at 12:46, corbett80 said:

Only relevant i guess if you've bought the 45 as an 'investment' rather than because you like it.....

I wouldn't buy anything I didn't like! But with prices as high as they are there is always a right place time and price to buy at if your watching your pennies. For this 45 I think now was The right time.

Which is why I can't understand the whole "I don't rate this record" then saying "I bought one for myself and two to move on"

Fair enough if you have the cash to do this on a record you know will become indemand but for the life of me I wouldn't buy multiples of a tune I hated even if it was becoming an indemand sound and I could make a profit off it,maybe thats where I'm losing out?!

George> People keep saying the bottom is falling out of the market but as far as i can see everything is as expensive at it ever was! Even the big beat ballads still command good money and that sound is totally out of vogue - rubbish synth boogie as well - its all still expensive!

  On 05/11/2011 at 13:13, sam said:

Which is why I can't understand the whole "I don't rate this record" then saying "I bought one for myself and two to move on"

Fair enough if you have the cash to do this on a record you know will become indemand but for the life of me I wouldn't buy multiples of a tune I hated even if it was becoming an indemand sound and I could make a profit off it,maybe thats where I'm losing out?!

I am a record collector. Among other things I specifically collect the magic touch label so one of them is filed in my collection. This is (or was) a very rare records that I had been looking for for many years. I bought an extra copy to trade as I know it's not only rare but that some people really like the record. I have much worse magic touch records in my collection.

  On 05/11/2011 at 13:14, corbett80 said:

George> - rubbish synth boogie as well - its all still expensive!

one word.... France

Interesting - I love the good stuff but I've seen some mid 80s nightmare 45s go for tons

Which city is that Magic Touch label out of? Can't remember but I know there are several labels with that name. Cheers. Richard

  On 06/11/2011 at 11:50, Premium Stuff said:

Which city is that Magic Touch label out of? Can't remember but I know there are several labels with that name. Cheers. Richard

I don't think there are a lot of labels with the name. It started in Chicago, then went to Milwaukee (which is where it was most of the time and the time of the tornadoes record) and then went back to Chicago in the late 70s. It was run by lenny lacour.

Cheers Bob

Presumably the Magic Touch label with Herman Griffin - Are You For Me Or Against Me (Magic Touch MT 007) was unrelated?

Richard

  On 06/11/2011 at 19:01, Premium Stuff said:

Cheers Bob

Presumably the Magic Touch label with Herman Griffin - Are You For Me Or Against Me (Magic Touch MT 007) was unrelated?

Richard

yes i'm pretty sure that's an unrelated detroit thing

  On 06/11/2011 at 17:41, boba said:

I don't think there are a lot of labels with the name. It started in Chicago, then went to Milwaukee (which is where it was most of the time and the time of the tornadoes record) and then went back to Chicago in the late 70s. It was run by lenny lacour.

I thought wisconsin ?

  On 06/11/2011 at 19:01, Premium Stuff said:

Cheers Bob

Presumably the Magic Touch label with Herman Griffin - Are You For Me Or Against Me (Magic Touch MT 007) was unrelated?

Richard

Different label Richard and that one has nothing to do with Lennie LaCour. Lennie Lacours label was out of Winsconsin (and later Chicago).

  On 04/11/2011 at 21:38, corbett80 said:

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According to people on old threads on here this was once thought to be the very rarest Magic Touch 45? Prior to this little find asking prices on the scarce copies around was £500 (Anglo American) and £750.

Yes I bought this for a lot when it was the only known copy. Back then it was def the rarest on the label because no one knew it and we did do quite a bit of research. Just goes to show you......I think they may be a white band and the same dudes as one of the two bands calling themselves the Tornadoes that were on Cuca in the Mid 60s.

Edited November 7, 201113 yr by Steve G

Was Cuca a related label Steve - still yet to hear the Devils on that label.

  On 07/11/2011 at 10:45, corbett80 said:

Was Cuca a related label Steve - still yet to hear the Devils on that label.

no it wasnt ...but also had harvey scales on it

  On 07/11/2011 at 08:30, Steve G said:

Different label Richard and that one has nothing to do with Lennie LaCour. Lennie Lacours label was out of Winsconsin (and later Chicago).

thanks for that, knew it was wisconsin and not milwaukee..

both sides are good

  On 07/11/2011 at 10:54, Bearsy said:

both sides are good

a man with taste

  On 07/11/2011 at 10:51, Marc Forrest said:

thanks for that, knew it was wisconsin and not milwaukee..

look at a map

  On 07/11/2011 at 10:57, Marc Forrest said:

a man with taste

both sides defo have their place in the scene imho Marc, 1 side sounding like a good quality danceable NS tune the other for the part of the scene thats into the funky side of soul, wouldnt mind a copy meself if someone has 1 for sale at £10 i will pay postage too or donated to me would be even better cos i would struggle to pay postage at the moment im that skint

  On 07/11/2011 at 11:02, boba said:

look at a map

i just looked at a map Bob and can only see Portsmouth, Southampton, Bournemouth & Salsibury what we looking for

  On 07/11/2011 at 10:51, Marc Forrest said:

thanks for that, knew it was wisconsin and not milwaukee..

Milwaukee is in Wisconsin.. Sorry for pedantry Monday morning bitterness in the ascendency...

  On 07/11/2011 at 11:02, boba said:

look at a map

havent got one right now but assuming you intend to to tell me that milwaaukee is in wisconsin, right ? in that case I have to admit that geography wasnt my first choice in school..

..nice one LOL

Edited November 7, 201113 yr by Marc Forrest

  On 07/11/2011 at 11:07, Marc Forrest said:

havent got one right now but assuming you intend to to tell me that milwaaukee is in wisconsin, right ? in that case I have to admit that geography wasnt my first choice in school..

..nice one LOL

yes, wisconsin is the state, milwaukee is the city. sorry to come across as a smartass.

no prob bob. I should have checked first.

atb

marc

I'm sorry but if this is what the rare/northern seen has been reduced to in the name of progression then it really is in a sorry state (IMO of course). It might be very rare but a case of the Emperors New Clothes IMO. George got it right when he said it was dull.

Isn't Mick playing this up at Lifeline though Chalky? He has been playing it recently I believe, certainly did at the 100 he last jocked at. Not that should make you like it of course but I thought this was already established as a new sound in rare rooms?

I don't think it's a case of one record meaning 'this is the state we've been reduced to' - thats a bit harsh! Shitloads of of more trad northern 45s and crossover that are newer still being found and played - look at all the new unissued 60's Ady has just unearthed....or indeed talking of Mick that mental Thelma Wilson thing...

Anyway I guess the dance floor will decide.

Edited November 8, 201113 yr by corbett80

  On 08/11/2011 at 10:46, corbett80 said:

Isn't Mick playing this up at Lifeline though Chalky? He has been playing it recently I believe. Not that should make you like it of course but I thought this was already established as new sound in rare rooms?

It's been played a while but not a track I like, regardless who is playing, just can't see the appeal to the wider audience, especially dancers. It seems to me that it appeals to just a few and alienates too many. I see a lot of the funkier stuff clear the floor, not just at Lifeline but other venues too.

Plenty of tracks from Lifeline DJ's I don't particularly like, would never say don't play them but thats not the point, just think with this it is a case of rarity over quality and fail to see what all the fuss is about.

But each to his own, one man's meat, it would be boring if we all liked the same stuff etc etc..........

I'd agree with you the funk side is well aimed at tricker footwork - thats why I think its more suited in reality to maybe mod dance floors due to it's pace and style. Was interested to see how it would go down played out and it went alright - might see what happens with the flip in future. Would be interested to know what reaction jocks like dave etc have been getting from it played out.

Wasn't suggesting of course you would have to like every record played at Lifeline btw, just trying to get a handle on where this 45 is at in terms of airing - been way too long since I last got up to the Stables.

  On 08/11/2011 at 10:56, corbett80 said:

I'd agree with you the funk side is well aimed at tricker footwork - thats why I think its more suited in reality to maybe mod dance floors due to it's pace and style. Was interested to see how it would go down played out and it went alright - might see what happens with the flip in future. Would be interested to know what reaction jocks like dave etc have been getting from it played out.

Wasn't suggesting of course you would have to like every record played at Lifeline btw, just trying to get a handle on where this 45 is at in terms of airing - been way too long since I last got up to the Stables.

Fair doe's to anyone for trying anything but as you say too tricky to dance to IMO, the beat is all wrong for your average NS dancer. Think records of this ilk just highlight the lack of quality 60's dancers coming through, I mean records still turning up but not enough and DJ's etc having to look elsewhere.

8th Anniversary in February at the Stables...see you there?

It does seem to be crossover and 70s where the volume of quality is still solid to be fair.

I've no particular allegiance to the Tornadoes 45 (I like it but I might be quite put out if i'd paid £750 for it) but there's a lot worse i've heard played out in the past and recently. Has anyone given the more northern side a try at Lifeline? (will DEFFO be there for the anniversary btw).

J

Edited November 8, 201113 yr by corbett80

The funkier stuff has to have a ns feel to it otherwise it dont work - on or off the dancefloor.All of us "set in our ways" group need something to hang there hat on,and say ok its funk,but its familiar.

JB said "Too funky in here"..but imo the Torandoes is spot on for now.Both sides.Now wether its got "legs" is a different matter.

'Think records of this ilk just highlight the lack of quality 60's dancers coming through, I mean records still turning up but not enough and DJ's etc having to look elsewhere.'

Not entirely sure what can be done about this - if there are no more there are no more. Perhaps the scene has to change it's mindset or look to those with the access to unissued recordings for their more traditional northern 60's fix? I'm being devil's advocate here btw and not sure myself what the answer is.

  On 08/11/2011 at 11:10, corbett80 said:

It does seem to be crossover and 70s where the volume of quality is still solid to be fair.

I've no particular allegiance to the Tornadoes 45 (I like it but I might be quite put out if i'd paid £750 for it) but there's a lot worse i've heard played out in the past and recently. Has anyone given the more northern side a try at Lifeline? (will DEFFO be there for the anniversary btw).

J

I have, not at lifeline but at some Northern events on the continent..if that counts ? anyway, as I said a brill doublesider IMO. But each to their own and I have no problem with other people thinking differently. As Chalky just said..it would be dull otherwise.

  On 08/11/2011 at 11:24, corbett80 said:

'Think records of this ilk just highlight the lack of quality 60's dancers coming through, I mean records still turning up but not enough and DJ's etc having to look elsewhere.'

Not entirely sure what can be done about this - if there are no more there are no more. Perhaps the scene has to change it's mindset or look to those with the access to unissued recordings for their more traditional northern 60's fix? I'm being devil's advocate here btw and not sure myself what the answer is.

I understand your argument and where you are coming from........

There are still records being discovered, just the quantity isn't there any more.

There are plenty of forgotten and records ignored first time round, that is where I would look to before looking to the funkier stuff. Don't get me wrong if it has the right beat then all well and good, but if I wanted a funk record with a beat alien to the records I've been listening to all these years I'd go to a funk club.

Feel Like A Fool just about acceptable, t'other side I dare say most dancers in a large venue would sit down.

BUT as I said it would be boring if we all liked the same stuff and we would have nothing to talk about either

I agree - I certainly think it would be brave to stick the funk side on at a large venue - much more suited to smaller clubs. And agree lots of overlooked 60s out there as well. Without getting into the whole well trodden funky sounds debate again I think the reason for some for the funk stuff being played isn't just because of a lack of 60s - that would be doing it an injustice - a lot (including myself) actually like funkier soul records - not more than anything else, just as well as 60s soul etc - and now seems the time to finally get to hear some of them out, with plenty (not all - granted) of crowd approval. May well be at it's zenith now and the next trend will emerge - this is what keeps the scene fresh in terms of music imho.