Douglas Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Hi could someone give me the rough price for 'Twinkle Little Star' by these groups please.
Chalky Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 If I've got these the right way round the Traditions used to be about £400 and the Parisians about £7/800. Both well in demand (and overplayed IMO) and price has risen. Last Parisians on ebay well over £1k. Think the last Traditions I saw was around £700. But as I said in demand and you never know what would happen in an auction and two lunatics wanted either bad enough.
Chalky Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Parisians, $1980 (Vg+) June this year on evilbay..........one a month later for $677 (described as good condition)
Douglas Posted October 25, 2011 Author Posted October 25, 2011 If I've got these the right way round the Traditions used to be about £400 and the Parisians about £7/800. Both well in demand (and overplayed IMO) and price has risen. Last Parisians on ebay well over £1k. Think the last Traditions I saw was around £700. But as I said in demand and you never know what would happen in an auction and two lunatics wanted either bad enough. OK cheers,thanks a lot.
Guest sharmo 1 Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Hi could someone give me the rough price for 'Twinkle Little Star' by these groups please. Parisians has been re issued don't know if that will change thing's price wise on an original regards ect.
Only Dreaming Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Parisians has been re issued don't know if that will change thing's price wise on an original regards ect. This track has recently been re-issued on a very convincing 'Demon Hot' label but it is a one sided 45' - "twinkle little star/blank" Dave.
Guest giant Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 If I've got these the right way round the Traditions used to be about £400 and the Parisians about £7/800. Both well in demand (and overplayed IMO) and price has risen. Last Parisians on ebay well over £1k. Think the last Traditions I saw was around £700. But as I said in demand and you never know what would happen in an auction and two lunatics wanted either bad enough. traditions better version imo
Guest Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 Speaking of the Parisians, which was an ex 100 Club spin for Irish Greg many, many moons ago, hands up who recalls Shifty's Parisians c/up, 'The Deep, Deep South'...now that is a belter of a tune inna similar style!
sostenuto Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 Speaking of the Parisians, which was an ex 100 Club spin for Irish Greg many, many moons ago, hands up who recalls Shifty's Parisians c/up, 'The Deep, Deep South'...now that is a belter of a tune inna similar style! The Parisians: many collectors had it in the 7ts and 8ts (an old £4 record) and played in various clubs before the 100 club. Almost an oldie by the time it was played at the 100 club. 1
Harry Crosby Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 The Parisians: many collectors had it in the 7ts and 8ts (an old £4 record) and played in various clubs before the 100 club. Almost an oldie by the time it was played at the 100 club. Was gonna say this myself, heard it on tape then bought it for £6 late 70`s
sostenuto Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 traditions better version imo Traditions is much rarer than the Parisians, but deff an inferior cut. The Demon Hot issue has a much stronger backing track.
Guest Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) The Parisians: many collectors had it in the 7ts and 8ts (an old £4 record) and played in various clubs before the 100 club. Almost an oldie by the time it was played at the 100 club. True enough...I paid £8 for mine and never considered it a tough tune to find. I cited the 100 Club/Greg reference as he pushed it overground for many, and it linked nicely to my 100 Club/Shifty/Parisians c/up point! Edited October 29, 2011 by Flynny
Ion T Posted October 30, 2011 Posted October 30, 2011 Hi, I have to agree regarding the comments re Parisians supposed rarity. I picked it up from Keb for under a fiver in the early 80s (It came from Bernie Golding's hoard). You often saw the record and it never commanded a big ticket. All best Ion
Chalky Posted October 30, 2011 Posted October 30, 2011 Whatever the Parisians cost 20/25 or 30 years ago it now commands a big price. As for which is rarer, try finding either these days. Manship has the Parisians in his book at £700 and the Traditions at £450 I think. Are the Traditions the same group as on Barclay? The Parisians sound black to me, not that it matters....well to some it does. I was talking to Paul Trefzger of Saxony records who recorded The Traditions on Barclay who were definitely white and he thinks the Traditions on Abet were the same group although he wasn't sure. He found th e Traditions to record the song he had "Forever and Always". The conversations were about three years ago and came about because someone thought at the time the Ditalians and the Traditions were the same group and Paul said they were definitely not as the Ditalians were black, Bruce Tolbert was the lead of the Ditalians and 16 at the time, he died in the 70's. Some of the Ditalians went onto success with 24 Carat Black. 1
Pomonkey Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Think have posted this somewhere before but the lead singer of the Parisians was basically bananas, would only sing if he was allowed to wear his glove puppet of a cockroach, the flip of the 45 has him singing in the puppet's "voice", track of course sounds terrible but pretty funny at the same time, takes all sorts eh
George G Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Whatever the Parisians cost 20/25 or 30 years ago it now commands a big price. As for which is rarer, try finding either these days. Manship has the Parisians in his book at £700 and the Traditions at £450 I think. Are the Traditions the same group as on Barclay? The Parisians sound black to me, not that it matters....well to some it does. I was talking to Paul Trefzger of Saxony records who recorded The Traditions on Barclay who were definitely white and he thinks the Traditions on Abet were the same group although he wasn't sure. He found th e Traditions to record the song he had "Forever and Always". The conversations were about three years ago and came about because someone thought at the time the Ditalians and the Traditions were the same group and Paul said they were definitely not as the Ditalians were black, Bruce Tolbert was the lead of the Ditalians and 16 at the time, he died in the 70's. Some of the Ditalians went onto success with 24 Carat Black. The Traditions on Barclay (from Pottsville, PA) recorded three 45s, the first one was a garage sound on Richie. All white guys. In 1970 the band had evolved into another band, Sweet Vengance, and released one 45 on MGM. They are not the group that recorded for A-bet. The Pottsville Traditions story has been covered in a book and on a CD, with pics, etc.
Chalky Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 The Traditions on Barclay (from Pottsville, PA) recorded three 45s, the first one was a garage sound on Richie. All white guys. In 1970 the band had evolved into another band, Sweet Vengance, and released one 45 on MGM. They are not the group that recorded for A-bet. The Pottsville Traditions story has been covered in a book and on a CD, with pics, etc. I sent Paul a picture of the Pottsville Traditions and it was first time he had seen it, he said they looked familiar. It was he who said they could be the same as the Abet group but wasn't sure, I mentioned at the time they didn't sound the same. I'll dig the e-mails out when I get the chance.
George G Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I sent Paul a picture of the Pottsville Traditions and it was first time he had seen it, he said they looked familiar. It was he who said they could be the same as the Abet group but wasn't sure, I mentioned at the time they didn't sound the same. I'll dig the e-mails out when I get the chance. If you really want to settle this, I would suggest you contact a band member, or Erik Lindgren at Arf Arf records, the guy who put together the comp that featured the songs (from which you've posted the pic.....want to make sure he gets the credit) and find out from the source.
Chalky Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Picture from Heey Baby Beach Days book, never seen the comp. I'll have a look out for it. I believe you btw, just quoting what Paul Trefzger said.
Wrongcrowd Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I remember first hearing the Parisians played out at Bedford all-nighter, around '81, some time before Irish Gregg latched on to it. Mick Godfrey had turned up a few copies at the time and was knocking them out for a fiver. It just goes to show that really, really bad records without a trace of soul given enough deck time can become monster floor fillers, and fetch crazy values.... only on the Northern scene.... I didn't buy it then for a fiver, and I wouldn't now. Chalky's right, it's totally played out, but there's a better reason that it shouldn't be played......it's awful.... IMO of course.
Thfcliam Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) https://www.ebay.co.u...d8#ht_594wt_932 haha this guy is trying to say this is an original copy surely this has got to be a re-issue? Edited November 16, 2011 by thfcliam
Guest Matt Male Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 At least one giveaway is the size of (Ernie Fields). On the original the first bracket is just under the K in Twinkle, on that one it's under the I and N. So, a little Ern is a goodun Can't make it out in the crap blurry pic, but there's too much writing on the right as well.
Geeselad Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 someone told me a guy was playing this at a scooter weekender covered up and it was off the pressing!!!!!!! er derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, lol.
Citizen P Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 someone told me a guy was playing this at a scooter weekender covered up and it was off the pressing!!!!!!! er derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, lol. Well, if you was playing a pressing you would cover it up wouldn't you ?? Tony
Geeselad Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Well, if you was playing a pressing you would cover it up wouldn't you ?? Tony out of shame you mean, LOL.
Guest Dr Pickles Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 I think having 6 available is a slight give away Doc
Stevie T Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 oh bugger! , just bought one for £10 , my dream of being a dj, begin and end in a day ....never mind will cover it up so my kids dont see it , will a tea towel do
Mace Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) What he actually states is ORIGINAL LABEL...clever wording methinks, though he does state RARE ITEM further down the description...should a repress of 500 be considered rare (presuming it's a 500 run?).....and yes, the number available is pretty much a dead giveaway. I heard recently that up until the 50 year licensing rule got extended to 70 years, that pretty much every big Northern record was set to be pressed on lookalikie lables, in the same vein as the current R&B reissues. Have seen quite a few lookalikies lately, most are dead obvious, but on ebay with a poor scan and clever wording it's probably best to do your homework before 'bagging a bargain' so to speak. The easiest way to check is to go on ebay.com and do a search for the item.......cus if some-one's selling them, then you can bet a good few others are as well......as below, https://www.ebay.com/...-All-Categories Edited November 17, 2011 by Mace
Little-stevie Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Are all these look a likes coming from one source/ factory/ maker or is it widespread with many people knocking them out.. We are being swamped with fakes, are they from mars , USA or some place down the M6 .. If the answer aint for public consumption then can someone please drop me a message....
Paul Shirley Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Whatever the Parisians cost 20/25 or 30 years ago it now commands a big price. As for which is rarer, try finding either these days. Manship has the Parisians in his book at £700 and the Traditions at £450 I think. Are the Traditions the same group as on Barclay? The Parisians sound black to me, not that it matters....well to some it does. I was talking to Paul Trefzger of Saxony records who recorded The Traditions on Barclay who were definitely white and he thinks the Traditions on Abet were the same group although he wasn't sure. He found th e Traditions to record the song he had "Forever and Always". The conversations were about three years ago and came about because someone thought at the time the Ditalians and the Traditions were the same group and Paul said they were definitely not as the Ditalians were black, Bruce Tolbert was the lead of the Ditalians and 16 at the time, he died in the 70's. Some of the Ditalians went onto success with 24 Carat Black. butch had a parisians for sale at prestatyn im almost sure he had a grand on it but could be wrong , i also remember another about 5 months back on ian clarks auction it reached over a grand or over i was also offerd a grand for my own copy of the traditions . it apears that regardles of opinions on here there is stil plenty demand for the record no matter which recording of it , personally i dont play it anymore
Paul Shirley Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Are all these look a likes coming from one source/ factory/ maker or is it widespread with many people knocking them out.. We are being swamped with fakes, are they from mars , USA or some place down the M6 .. If the answer aint for public consumption then can someone please drop me a message.... im told up yorkshire and further down in the midlands . or may be the source is up yorkshire n rest are disributors
Iancsloft Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 I think having 6 available is a slight give away Doc Like The Four Tracks..Royal Esquires, Clara Hardy ect ect
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