Guest Bearsy Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) Just out of interest what is the going rate for this at the moment, ive had a couple of different prices from a couple of mates and they are way apart also its not quite as rare as it once was i belleive as a load tunrned up and also i believe its been booted, original matt black label and boot glossy black label, am i on the right lines here ?? many thanks Bearsy Edited October 13, 2011 by Bearsy
Phil Shields Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Hi buddy, still a great little tune, pricewise mmmm not really to sure these days £400ish maybe.
Tony O Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Chris, defo matt black label a minter between 400 to 500 but not seen one for sale for nearly two years. T
Russ Vickers Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Done from the original stampers by a band member I believe. Has anyone ever compared the 2 together label wise, cos & I know this sounds a bit weird, but I cant work out if my label is shiny or or matt.....even matt labels can have a bit of a sheen sometimes...... Also, if memory serves me right (?) wernt they found in the bottom of the guys wardrobe or summat, so I always wondered if they were a rerun done not long after the original press, as opposed to being repressed more recently for the NS market......anyone ???. Best Russ
Russ Vickers Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Just went on Youtube to have a blast of this, as I havent played or heard it for a while........its really a brilliant slice of Carolinas Northern Soul.........dont do it Paul . Best Russ
Guest Bearsy Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Just went on Youtube to have a blast of this, as I havent played or heard it for a while........its really a brilliant slice of Carolinas Northern Soul.........dont do it Paul . Best Russ i cant do it Russ im skint but could trade possibly this is a tune thats always got me inside somewhere and would sit nice in me collection me thinks so me thinking £300 max for a minter is a bit hopeful then
Guest Bearsy Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Just went on Youtube to have a blast of this, as I havent played or heard it for a while........its really a brilliant slice of Carolinas Northern Soul.........dont do it Paul . Best Russ i cant do it Russ im skint but could trade possibly this is a tune thats always got me inside somewhere and would sit nice in me collection me thinks so me thinking £300 max for a minter is a bit hopeful then Done from the original stampers by a band member I believe. Has anyone ever compared the 2 together label wise, cos & I know this sounds a bit weird, but I cant work out if my label is shiny or or matt.....even matt labels can have a bit of a sheen sometimes...... Also, if memory serves me right (?) wernt they found in the bottom of the guys wardrobe or summat, so I always wondered if they were a rerun done not long after the original press, as opposed to being repressed more recently for the NS market......anyone ???. Best Russ i think your right russ i kind of remember that story too, some peeps are saying dont touch the shiney labes thay are boots and there is diferent markings in the run out too i think, does anyone really know the truth
Tony O Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Bearsy, my copy has the following DL-0016-B then 25 B (where the B appears within a circle) and music city stamped in the run out. Hope this helps. T
Chalky Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 The shiny label copies were done from the same stampers as Russ says although don't think they have the music city stamp the originals have. Crock O Sh*te IMO....far better Carolinas records out there than this.
Guest Bearsy Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 The shiny label copies were done from the same stampers as Russ says although don't think they have the music city stamp the originals have. Crock O Sh*te IMO....far better Carolinas records out there than this. cheers Chalks and are you saying its not your cup of char
Guest Bearsy Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Bearsy, my copy has the following DL-0016-B then 25 B (where the B appears within a circle) and music city stamped in the run out. Hope this helps. T thanks Tony great info
Chalky Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 cheers Chalks and are you saying its not your cup of char the cup of char is better
Dave Abbott Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 i paid a lot of money for it...then it seemed to turn up a year or so later!! Oh well - i still had the Dream Team in my box........... oh the joys of record buying... :-(
Hold Tight Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Just out of interest what is the going rate for this at the moment, ive had a couple of different prices from a couple of mates and they are way apart also its not quite as rare as it once was i belleive as a load tunrned up and also i believe its been booted, original matt black label and boot glossy black label, am i on the right lines here ?? many thanks Bearsy Paul look on the sales forum. One on there. ps how are you, long time no see.
Hold Tight Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Paul look on the sales forum. One on there. ps how are you, long time no see. Sorry trades/wants not sales but has also for sale possibility.
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Roy Smith's the singer and also credited on the labe. I have another by him called Soul Control, sounds like Tom Jones so I ask is it blue eyed soul?
Guest Bearsy Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Paul look on the sales forum. One on there. ps how are you, long time no see. Hi Mark im good thanks and yeah long time no see hope you well matey, thats the one in the trades section that had me thinking but wants more than i can afford so maybe trying to trade but he dont want shite lol
Chalky Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 i paid a lot of money for it...then it seemed to turn up a year or so later!! Oh well - i still had the Dream Team in my box........... oh the joys of record buying... :-( Wasn't it Lil Peddler (forget his real name) who had all the copies that turned up, he was feeding them out for ages.
Mrtag Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Wasn't it Lil Peddler (forget his real name) who had all the copies that turned up, he was feeding them out for ages. That's the guy Chalky! Julian B. Fowler is his real name. All the copies seem to have dried up bar the last one (allegedly) his sister has!!
Russ Vickers Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 He wasnt really feeding was he.......he f*ckin flooded the market........however, there was another US dealer who actually had been feeding these out for a while before Lil Peddler, but it is my opinion he didnt know they were represses, he just thought he had stumbled on the old stock from a band member & was 'managing' the sales. Best Russ
Dave Pinch Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 must be 5 years ago since lil peddler was selling em on ebay and if they were represses ,,, to say how many they sold even these dont seem to surface nowadays dave
Mrtag Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Lil peddler's Wife's sister is married to the bands drummer so i think that the sales were coming from the same source!!
Russ Vickers Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 They were, but I dont think they were aware of each other initially. Russ
Mrtag Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 They were, but I dont think they were aware of each other initially. Russ Hi Russ, I bought a used copy off julian with the stamp in the run out and sold it about 5 years ago I rang him about a year ago to buy another and as I stated he told me that the sister had the only copy and she wanted to much for it but I think they knew what they were doing regards the sales! just my humble opinion mind! but I don't think there where as many copies as people seem to think. Still wouldn't mind it back at the right price. Best wishes john.
Russ Vickers Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Hi Russ, I bought a used copy off julian with the stamp in the run out and sold it about 5 years ago I rang him about a year ago to buy another and as I stated he told me that the sister had the only copy and she wanted to much for it but I think they knew what they were doing regards the sales! just my humble opinion mind! but I don't think there where as many copies as people seem to think. Still wouldn't mind it back at the right price. Best wishes john. Sorry John, I think I have confused the issue, I agree with everything you have said, but I'm sure there was ANOTHER dealer who had found the drummer too & who would get copies occasionally & well before Julian started selling em - with regards to the amount, I agree with you there also, my guess, as I mentioned earlier, was that it was a repress done years ago , as opposed to being done more recently, just a guess tho. I cant get any more info from the other dealer tho, as initially I dont think they were aware of the repress & sold these in good faith, therefore wouldnt want to tarnish thier reputation. Hope I have put this a little clearer. Best Russ
Chalky Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Not all the copies that flooded the market were represses. I differ in opinion about the represses Russ. I personally think they were done after the record went big, dealers source the group or members of the group for copies and with the drummer having access to the plates pressed more up. I doubt it was old stock? Was the record ever popular back in the 60's, so much so one member did another run of the record?
Mrtag Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Sorry John, I think I have confused the issue, I agree with everything you have said, but I'm sure there was ANOTHER dealer who had found the drummer too & who would get copies occasionally & well before Julian started selling em - with regards to the amount, I agree with you there also, my guess, as I mentioned earlier, was that it was a repress done years ago , as opposed to being done more recently, just a guess tho. I cant get any more info from the other dealer tho, as initially I dont think they were aware of the repress & sold these in good faith, therefore wouldnt want to tarnish thier reputation. Hope I have put this a little clearer. Best Russ Cheers russ! Certainly dried up now though! That said if I bought it now I would probabley never play it out, but I guess it was Right at the time! Atb John.
Corbett80 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 i paid a lot of money for it...then it seemed to turn up a year or so later!! Oh well - i still had the Dream Team in my box........... oh the joys of record buying... :-( I've tasted this bitter pill too Dave.....too many times to mention
Russ Vickers Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Roy Smith's the singer and also credited on the labe. I have another by him called Soul Control, sounds like Tom Jones so I ask is it blue eyed soul? Roy Smith was the main man behind the Delphi label Tony. In the 1960s he produced, arranged and played keyboards with the Georgia Prophets of "I Got The Fever" fame. He WAS white, but his voice was great IMHO. Best Russ Edited October 14, 2011 by Russ Vickers
Corbett80 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) I Got The fever is a real guilty pleasure of a record - total poptastic stompathon. And the Oxford Nights is great too. Pretty sure I saw a pic of them once and they were like 8 bearded hippies in tuxedos.....seriously Edited October 14, 2011 by corbett80
Corbett80 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Why does this new forum make you post stuff twice....really weird...?! Edited October 14, 2011 by corbett80
Russ Vickers Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Not all the copies that flooded the market were represses. I differ in opinion about the represses Russ. I personally think they were done after the record went big, dealers source the group or members of the group for copies and with the drummer having access to the plates pressed more up. I doubt it was old stock? Was the record ever popular back in the 60's, so much so one member did another run of the record? Its only a guess Chalky based on some information I was given at the time, which of course could have been a red herring anyway. Best Russ
Simsy Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Just out of interest what is the going rate for this at the moment, ive had a couple of different prices from a couple of mates and they are way apart also its not quite as rare as it once was i belleive as a load tunrned up and also i believe its been booted, original matt black label and boot glossy black label, am i on the right lines here ?? many thanks Bearsy One up for trades the other day, though he wasn't interested in a Guitar Ray swap.
Russ Vickers Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Just another bit of info on this, I first heard this from a great tape, well before it was widely known (unknown ?) from the LEG - END 'Ion the Greek', what a man & responsible for many a great tune, a great NS character, who I still see very occasionally, but is sorely missed by the scene methinks, we need more people like this on the scene, true soulful, passionate innovators.......... Best Russ
Guest Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) i paid a lot of money for it...then it seemed to turn up a year or so later!! Oh well - i still had the Dream Team in my box........... oh the joys of record buying... :-( I got it fairly cheap early on waaaaaaaaay before the 'glossy ones' turned up en masse...absolute screamer of a track...a real nighter record....can't understand anyone that enjoys dancing not liking it! The Dream Team...that is indeed another story. Edited October 14, 2011 by Flynny
Mal C Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) it was Shifty that was selling the dream team 45's en mass, Edited October 14, 2011 by Mal.C.
pikeys dog Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think Shifty was moving them on after most people were aware that there was quantity.
Chalky Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Shifty bough I got it fairly cheap early on waaaaaaaaay before the 'glossy ones' turned up en masse...absolute screamer of a track...a real nighter record....can't understand anyone that enjoys dancing not liking it! The Dream Team...that is indeed another story. Didn't see a glossy one till after it became a popular spin commanding a decent amount of money.
Chalky Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think Shifty was moving them on after most people were aware that there was quantity. He was he bought up what was left I believe.
Guest CARL D Posted December 23, 2012 Posted December 23, 2012 Excellent track! Love that organ riff! Never fails to amaze me how cavernous? some of these songs sound. George Blackwell probably a better example-sounds like it is actually being recorded in a cavern!!! Think thats why so many tracks work well at nighters. They create that 'larger-than-life' atmosphere. If u know what i mean? :-/. Carl.
SLAMMINSOUL Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) Nice picture! These boys have soul, no mistake about that. So then If your gonna own this make sure its Music City stamped. There will always be a question mark over the rest. So how many Music City stamped originals are out there? Not alot i'd guess. I think you will find collectors will pay alot more for these when they hit the market! If they hit the market? Love this tune!!!!!!!! Atb Clint Edited January 8, 2013 by SLAMMINSOUL
Dave Pinch Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Nice picture! These boys have soul, no mistake about that. So then If your gonna own this make sure its Music City stamped. There will always be a question mark over the rest. So how many Music City stamped originals are out there? Not alot i'd guess. I think you will find collectors will pay alot more for these when they hit the market! If they hit the market? Love this tune!!!!!!!! Atb Clint i dont think it`ll see the likes of £1500 again tho
SLAMMINSOUL Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Agreed! but all things considered? We are back to where we where before the unstamped copies flooded the market. That makes them pretty tough to find as an original ! Ouch !!!!!!! I sold mine. Ouch again! Atb Clint
Soul-slider Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Brilliant piece of Blue-Eyed Soul, a search of ebay, Musicstack & Gemm have produced absolute zero! Even the 'Ripete' re-issues have all sold out!!
Guest Bearsy Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Nice picture! These boys have soul, no mistake about that. So then If your gonna own this make sure its Music City stamped. There will always be a question mark over the rest. So how many Music City stamped originals are out there? Not alot i'd guess. I think you will find collectors will pay alot more for these when they hit the market! If they hit the market? Love this tune!!!!!!!! Atb Clint Mine has the music city stamp its also has the letter B in a circle and 25 just before that, it also has DL-0016-B in the run out too.
Guest gordon russell Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 The shiny label copies were done from the same stampers as Russ says although don't think they have the music city stamp the originals have. Crock O Sh*te IMO....far better Carolinas records out there than this. is this white popular music?
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