ok, i know that this might be pointless to ask this since there aren't that many known copies of this record... today i picked up a double of this. both my copy and this copy (which play fine) have some sort of heat damage, there is some sort of pitting in the vinyl. can anyone here that has a copy tell me whether there appears to be some sort of pitting / heat damage in the vinyl? I'm wondering if this has something to do with the rarity of the record? thanks in advance.

re fondells......my copy is m- and plays loud and clear.

Hope that helps you.

My good mate Brett Franklin bagged one of these. Will ask him for you Boba...

Rich

  On 22/09/2011 at 22:02, sostenuto said:

re fondells......my copy is m- and plays loud and clear.

Hope that helps you.

thanks, one of the copies i have is pretty clean and plays great but has visible pitting in the wax. does your copy not have this?

another weird thing about this record is that the grooves start very close to the edge of the 45.

  On 22/09/2011 at 22:05, Rich Buckley said:

My good mate Brett Franklin bagged one of these. Will ask him for you Boba...

Rich

thanks let me know

  On 22/09/2011 at 22:08, boba said:

thanks, one of the copies i have is pretty clean and plays great but has visible pitting in the wax. does your copy not have this?

another weird thing about this record is that the grooves start very close to the edge of the 45.

no pitting; totally mint. Yes, there isn't a lot of space for the run-in grooves.

  On 23/09/2011 at 12:06, sostenuto said:

no pitting; totally mint. Yes, there isn't a lot of space for the run-in grooves.

thanks a lot, I appreciate it. clearly not all copies are heat damaged. But now I would like to know if anyone else has one and it's pitted or not, would tell me whether the two I have is just a coincidence or not.

Not that surprising if you got them both together, would be weird if they came from separate places though - remember years back in a small town in France finding a box full of immaculate copies of some of the rarest French 60's ep's, copy after copy, was ecstatic until started pulling out the vinyl itself - clearly had been stored on top of a heat pipe as every single one had a massive heat warp making the first minute+ of each side utterly unplayable, ended up buying some regardless as most were 4 track ep's so if the 2nd track on a side was the indemander still worked, but was still gutted as otherwise would have snapped up each and every one. Funnily happened on a similar box in a Paris store years later, not as good records but almost identical damage on every one.

  On 23/09/2011 at 17:56, pomonkey said:

Not that surprising if you got them both together, would be weird if they came from separate places though - remember years back in a small town in France finding a box full of immaculate copies of some of the rarest French 60's ep's, copy after copy, was ecstatic until started pulling out the vinyl itself - clearly had been stored on top of a heat pipe as every single one had a massive heat warp making the first minute+ of each side utterly unplayable, ended up buying some regardless as most were 4 track ep's so if the 2nd track on a side was the indemander still worked, but was still gutted as otherwise would have snapped up each and every one. Funnily happened on a similar box in a Paris store years later, not as good records but almost identical damage on every one.

I didn't get them both together. I just know there's some cases where the entire run or some of the run was heat damaged -- that's the case with the ultimate blacks on hitstown, nobody has ever seen a non-hazy, clean playing copy.

Just in case anyones a little confused, heres a copy that's been sold by mr moerer but with a sound file of each side.

https://www.musicpriceguide.com/661468/rare-Soul-45-FONDELLS-on-PZAZZ-Listen.html

  On 23/09/2011 at 21:57, Littleanimps said:

Just in case anyones a little confused, heres a copy that's been sold by mr moerer but with a sound file of each side.

https://www.musicpric...AZZ-Listen.html

i actually got that copy, it actually was just dirty and after i cleaned it played with virtually no noise. but it has what looks like heat damage, like some lack of gloss and pitting in the vinyl. the copy i just got has some wear in addition to the same pitting but still plays well. I started the thread because i got two records from totally different sources with the same damage. it's similar to when copies of a record all seem to be water damaged when they originate from the same source where a basement flooded or somethiing.

thanks for the link....intresting