Guest Ollie Lailey Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 It's been going this long with all ups and downs, there's still plenty life in the old dog yet. Have fun and don't worry about it!
Len Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 I wasn't talking about anyone in particular - I was talking generally as in I don't think the scene is doomed and I certainly don't think it's gloomy. I am as passionate as the next person and like the majority have spent many years analysing and talking about how things used to be and how I wished things were. Not any more. Well, not to the extent I used to anyway. One thing's for sure, there is no way I am going to look back in years to come and think I wish I had just gone out and enjoyed it for what it was. There must be something in the air as I have only just got my 'Northern Soul Mojo' back and am enjoying myself now more than I have for a long time. I think it's because I have stopped (Well almost!) moaning about what's wrong with the scene for me. Fact is, nothing stays the same so you have no choice but to embrace it and make the most of what's there now. I expect the people that went to the early music festivals are just as bitter as us, seeing what most of them have turned into, going all corporate and costing nearly £200.00 per ticket, those original lot used to turn up and just see what happens ...(He says as if he was there!) - You know what I mean. All the best, A very 'Positive' Len....At the minute anyway....mmmm...Now I've said that, it's got me thinking....
mrs soul Posted September 8, 2011 Author Posted September 8, 2011 I wasn't talking about anyone in particular - I was talking generally as in I don't think the scene is doomed and I certainly don't think it's gloomy. I am as passionate as the next person and like the majority have spent many years analysing and talking about how things used to be and how I wished things were. Not any more. Well, not to the extent I used to anyway. One thing's for sure, there is no way I am going to look back in years to come and think I wish I had just gone out and enjoyed it for what it was. yes Joan agreed..but I did not want to give anyone the wrong idea, that I have lost my passion and dedication, like most I have had my moments as everyone does, I still cant believe after all theses years, that I still cant wait for the week end to come round, with excitement and anticipation to get on that dance floor and strutt my stuff actually as you know , I do sometimes close my eyes and totally get into a particular record . I,m off into that soul heaven, some people think I,m drunk, sometimes I am , but certainly drunk with enthusiasm, feeling every instrument in a particular record. and its that what has prompted me to start this thread , for if I and many many other feel like this, then why are some people intent on bad mouthing ect , I just dont get it, I want I suppose the respect back that we all used to have.I know we cant be one big happy family, that's an in-possibility , but now we are all getting to the old farts club, lets make the best of it before its too late.
Jumpinjoan Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 yes Joan agreed..but I did not want to give anyone the wrong idea, that I have lost my passion and dedication, like most I have had my moments as everyone does, I still cant believe after all theses years, that I still cant wait for the week end to come round, with excitement and anticipation to get on that dance floor and strutt my stuff actually as you know , I do sometimes close my eyes and totally get into a particular record . I,m off into that soul heaven, some people think I,m drunk, sometimes I am , but certainly drunk with enthusiasm, feeling every instrument in a particular record. and its that what has prompted me to start this thread , for if I and many many other feel like this, then why are some people intent on bad mouthing ect , I just dont get it, I want I suppose the respect back that we all used to have.I know we cant be one big happy family, that's an in-possibility , but now we are all getting to the old farts club, lets make the best of it before its too late. Your pasion and enthusiasm is plain for all to see Lou, so no need to say anything on that score. People will be people and there are some not very nice ones out there for sure. Nothing we can do about that. Me? I just surround myself with the good ones. Take care lovely x 1
MrsWoodsrules Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 I think the key is quality, not quantity, I'm in the northwest, this month there is a Wigan anniversary thingy in Wigan & a Tommy Hunt thing in Preston & a one off Lowton thing all on the same bloody night, that ain't right. I'm not a doom merchant though, as the rare soul gets better & always something new to discover, easy to get our own 'tiredness' mixed up with the big picture, always gonna have good & bad venues, I just happy Dickie Searling starting Lowton nights, cos that's gonna rule the northwest, so the futures bright IMO. But the promoters keep shooting themselves in the foot & missing tricks, but nothing new there then.
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 I think there needs to be a major national monthly event that can blow out all other competition in the 'must attend' stakes. We're talking 2000+ every month, best DJ's, great U.S. live acts when they're around and all the facilities to keep the various customers happy. A monthly Prestatyn basically..... The scene is just way too fragmented at the moment. It needs a big-league rallying point again. The right-minded promoters and key DJ's need to take the initiative and create a key monthly event that will attract everyone. Maybe easier said than done obviously......... Ian D
Julie Moore Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Ive been to lots of do`s that have had maybe 20 ppl in .................if its what you wanna hear its the Dogs B*llocks beats going to a do with 300 in and it being S**t 2
Steve G Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) I think the key is quality, not quantity, I'm in the northwest, this month there is a Wigan anniversary thingy in Wigan & a Tommy Hunt thing in Preston & a one off Lowton thing all on the same bloody night, that ain't right. Strewth, I'd forgotten about the Wigan 38th anniversary....... I think there needs to be a major national monthly event that can blow out all other competition in the 'must attend' stakes. We're talking 2000+ every month, best DJ's, great U.S. live acts when they're around and all the facilities to keep the various customers happy. A monthly Prestatyn basically..... The scene is just way too fragmented at the moment. It needs a big-league rallying point again. The right-minded promoters and key DJ's need to take the initiative and create a key monthly event that will attract everyone. Maybe easier said than done obviously......... Ian D Yeah I just don't think it will happen today Ian, nice as it sounds. One persons "must attend" is another persons "not on your Nelly". Prestatyn probably a bad example......since most of the music in the main room was staler than last years eggs for some of us. There is not one scene anymore Ian. Edited September 8, 2011 by Steve G
Geeselad Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Strewth, I'd forgotten about the Wigan 38th anniversary....... Yeah I just don't think it will happen today Ian, nice as it sounds. One persons "must attend" is another persons "not on your Nelly". Prestatyn probably a bad example......since most of the music in the main room was staler than last years eggs for some of us. There is not one scene anymore Ian. Well I know you have the kings but 'that oldies crowd' simply wouldnt attend on such a regular basis, imho, the fact some of these larger events are in frequent make them well attended, and there's a real focus on oldies at said venue's as well, that would put most of the more progressive/ nighter crowd right off. a case of never the twain methinks.
Guest Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) woeful..too much handbagging and people tryin to relive their youth ....we`re f**king submerged in it certainly where i`m from dave As you know Dave , we live in the same locality , and I have to agree with your statement / sentiments wholeheartedly . As for being " submerged " , I am waiting for the next " new " night in this area to be called " Nautilus " Edited September 9, 2011 by Malc Burton 1
Len Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 I think there needs to be a major national monthly event that can blow out all other competition in the 'must attend' stakes. We're talking 2000+ every month, best DJ's, great U.S. live acts when they're around and all the facilities to keep the various customers happy. A monthly Prestatyn basically..... The scene is just way too fragmented at the moment. It needs a big-league rallying point again. The right-minded promoters and key DJ's need to take the initiative and create a key monthly event that will attract everyone. Maybe easier said than done obviously......... Ian D ..Meanwhile back in the real world...lol - Yes, great idea but as you say, defo "Easier said than done" lol Even on just a local level - For example, just one event in each town or better still each county. Say you manage to get all the said promoters to agree one united event only....Then the question is raised - Who's gonna D.J?....That's where the 'Meeting' would end..lol Len. 1
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Reg Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Billy F, I was stood outside Burnley 3 or so years back at 3.30am in January, in the cold and damp,having a fag, wondering what I was doing really, when I spied coming up the street these two old blokes. I thought to myself WTF are these two doing wandering the streets at this time. If I weren't here I certainly wouldn't be trudging around Burnley. They came into the allnighter. Beginning of mid-life crisis. Do I look like that? I must do. Too old for this sh*t rapidly followed and haven't been out since except for the one occasion. ROD Ha ha! Brilliant. My in-laws are into Northern, they go out on the Soul Scene in Wales, they are kind of returnees I guess. Into oldies, cds with a million tracks and a car sticker saying "johnsons' talc, it's a northern soul thing..". They are lovely people but it makes me cringe. I got into the soul scene as I obviously loved the music but also because it was exciting, mysterious...allniters were an adventure. Now it is very middle aged and I include myself in that even though I am probably on the younger side. it just doesn't have that "oomph" for me anymore I'm afraid to say 1
Mike Lofthouse Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 It began as a dance scene. And still is. There is, after all, a reason why the majority of identifiably Northern records are uptempo. It didn't, it began as a Soul scene where people danced to records. But your point was that it was the quality of the dancing that was somehow having an effect - which is simply ridiculous.
Reg Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 It wasn't that long ago that there was one venue in Dewsbury, Sheridans and it had three or four promoters who each promoted their night after each other. You had a different music policy every week and the place was rocking, oldies, newies, R&B, modern right across the spectrum of Northern Soul. Great venue and a great time was had by most who went there. It was a bit of a dump but it had atmosphere. A bit of a dump? Lol...yep it was fab at Sherries
Dave Moore Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Are people purposely ignoring the irony here? :lol: "DJs" complaining about too many 'DJs' "Promoters" complaining about too many promotions. Been happening for 15 years, (the complaining that is), but I've yet to see ANYONE take heed of their own 'advice!' :lol: You gotta larf eh? Regards, Dave
pikeys dog Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Are people purposely ignoring the irony here? :lol: "DJs" complaining about too many 'DJs' "Promoters" complaining about too many promotions. Been happening for 15 years, (the complaining that is), but I've yet to see ANYONE take heed of their own 'advice!' :lol: You gotta larf eh? Regards, Dave I've certainly taken my own advice Dave, I've cut promoting from circa 8 events a year to zero in the last twelve months. DJing - I've DJ'ed 4 times since January (all freebies for friends/charities - a couple of which were long-standing bookings)... I was doing that per month 18 mths ago. The trouble is - as soon as one DJ stops DJing they create a void - which like any vacuum is quickly filled...
Guest Bearsy Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Are people purposely ignoring the irony here? :lol: "DJs" complaining about too many 'DJs' "Promoters" complaining about too many promotions. Been happening for 15 years, (the complaining that is), but I've yet to see ANYONE take heed of their own 'advice!' :lol: You gotta larf eh? Regards, Dave you only got to look at all promotions to see that 99% of them are run by yep you guessed it, Djs, in which most of them are shite hence the problem and how many of them promoting djs attend other venues, only the venues they promote and as a return favour for a dj spot at their mates event, the amount of peeps that have asked me for a dj spot is hilarious and its that hilarious cos i dont even run an event ive never asked anyone to dj and never will but if i get asked i will consider the offer and it has to suit me and me suit the event, ive seen djs play more slip mats with no volume than spin tunes at some nights i honestly beleive there are too many events and some the that the cream wil rise to the top, sadly some of the cream aare suffereing for mediocre events, yes its great to have choice but too much choice aint good and thats whats putting a downer on it for me and also the fact i have to travel minimum 2hours for a decent night out if i lucky but when i do go out i do enjoy meself :wicked:
Dekka Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 A bit of a dump? Lol...yep it was fab at Sherries Agree with that, but was bloody cold in the winter, if you didn't dance you would end up with frostbite, happy days indeed
Russ Vickers Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) I think there needs to be a major national monthly event that can blow out all other competition in the 'must attend' stakes. We're talking 2000+ every month, best DJ's, great U.S. live acts when they're around and all the facilities to keep the various customers happy. A monthly Prestatyn basically..... The scene is just way too fragmented at the moment. It needs a big-league rallying point again. The right-minded promoters and key DJ's need to take the initiative and create a key monthly event that will attract everyone. Maybe easier said than done obviously......... Ian D Right minded promoters being the KEY phrase...other wise we end up with a souless, money grabbing consortium with a stangle hold on the scene.Best Russ Edited September 9, 2011 by Russ Vickers 1
Dave Moore Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 I've certainly taken my own advice Dave, I've cut promoting from circa 8 events a year to zero in the last twelve months. DJing - I've DJ'ed 4 times since January (all freebies for friends/charities - a couple of which were long-standing bookings)... I was doing that per month 18 mths ago. The trouble is - as soon as one DJ stops DJing they create a void - which like any vacuum is quickly filled... Fair Play to you. You gotta admit though you must be one of the exceptions to the rule. :lol: Regards, Dave
Reg Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Agree with that, but was bloody cold in the winter, if you didn't dance you would end up with frostbite, happy days indeed I was always too warm! Either that or falling on my ass on the world's slippiest dance floor. Was great fun tho, met lots of friends there :-)
Len Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Are people purposely ignoring the irony here? :lol: "DJs" complaining about too many 'DJs' "Promoters" complaining about too many promotions. Been happening for 15 years, (the complaining that is), but I've yet to see ANYONE take heed of their own 'advice!' :lol: You gotta larf eh? Regards, Dave Hi Dave, Yes I see the irony! (Irony is one of my specialist subjects) In saying that... ...A while back myself and Russ Vickers were at Life-line discussing how frustrating it is, that there's 'no room' to put on an event of our particular soul music taste and we both agreed it's just a waiting game and hopefully one day the time will be right to promote again. I've also had a similar conversation with Dave Vanner (He promoted a lot in the 90's and is also waiting / hoping for a 'space' one day) I don't think we are the only three who have taken a step back though. On the other side of the coin and kind of in peoples defence, I think a lot now only concentrate on their local scene rather than the national scene, that's why there's so many events on. When it gets to three or four events in the same vicinity - that's when it just beggars belief! All the best, Len. Edited September 9, 2011 by LEN
Guest Soultown andy Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Are there to many venues and djs course there are,but usualy the good ones survive and the others dont.Does it matter what a dozen or so people on here think, not one bit.Im just wondering who it is who issues and grants promoters licenses, and do you need to be in with the in crowd on here to get one . Edited September 9, 2011 by Soultown andy
Guest Andy Kempster Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Are people purposely ignoring the irony here? :lol: "DJs" complaining about too many 'DJs' "Promoters" complaining about too many promotions. Been happening for 15 years, (the complaining that is), but I've yet to see ANYONE take heed of their own 'advice!' :lol: we have too Dave, Groovesville is taking a sabbatical for the time being, too many do's around.
Guest gordon russell Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Right minded promoters being the KEY phrase...other wise we end up with a souless, money grabbing consortium with a stangle hold on the scene.Best Russ do you mean KEV
Steve G Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) ..Meanwhile back in the real world...lol - Yes, great idea but as you say, defo "Easier said than done" lol Even on just a local level - For example, just one event in each town or better still each county. Say you manage to get all the said promoters to agree one united event only....Then the question is raised - Who's gonna D.J?....That's where the 'Meeting' would end..lol Len. Yup agree with you Len. Think Ian's aspirational once a month venue catering for all tastes is pie in the sky these days. 2,000 people? Kings Hall struggles to match that, and that's nearly all oldies. And one Kingpin promotor? Yeah....right. Ian the scene has fragmented mate, we're all on micro scenes now Edited September 9, 2011 by Steve G
SOULCENTRAL Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Right minded promoters being the KEY phrase...other wise we end up with a souless, money grabbing consortium with a stangle hold on the scene.Best Russ HI RUSS, IS NOT THAT THE CASE WITH MOST SO CALLED EVENTS WHICH ARE "PROMOTED" THESE DAYS. ROY
Raremusicdirect Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Only go out to have fun and enjoy yourself Only go to venues you enjoy going to Be friends with people you enjoy being friends with If you don't enjoy yourself when out - don't go, why on earth do something in life you don't enjoy when its a choice Few of problems as I see it (generalisations of course) 1. promoters only care for themselves - not real regard for other nites that will / do clash 2. some events have as many guests / dj's / friends not paying to be there as the few who (often travel) and do pay 3. djs attend to get spots (because that's part of how it works at the moment) and give them in return if they run there own do 4. I disagree that there are too many djs - I don't think there are enough (especially given chance to play) ; I attend many events were the djs are constant as are the records they play 5. No one will write a bad review for fear of being blanked / disliked. They can say private but not public. Hence poor venues continue and drag down the good (both being half empty) 6. Events need to be clearer on music style played ie Northern Oldies, RnB and be very clear on OVO or not. Most promoters wont be because they just want numbers........I think the days of one room suits all is dead. I think the best option is a main room of (mainly oldies) and a progressive side room (carried by the main room), playing the rnb, funk tinged, gospel or for some modern etc 7. Smaller rooms (especially now when times are hard) is prob sensible, where like minds will gather, and have an atmosphere I am quiet positive that the scene will continue and evolve... I prefer the rare and underplayed niters myself, one room, dark, low ceiling, great sound system and like minded people (ideally who i like and can chat too). There are still some events around that do this for me, so I just have to seek them out............ Seek out what you like and enjoy it
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Yup agree with you Len. Think Ian's aspirational once a month venue catering for all tastes is pie in the sky these days. 2,000 people? Kings Hall struggles to match that, and that's nearly all oldies. And one Kingpin promotor? Yeah....right. Ian the scene has fragmented mate, we're all on micro scenes now No one said it would be easy Steve. The scene was fragmented when the Torch closed down and then Wigan opened up and gave everyone a central focus again. When Cleethorpes Pier opened there was no precedent at all on the East Coast prior to that, but, once again, the pier supplied the scene with a major east coast focus. Mary Chapman didn't have any doubts when she set it up. Maybe promoters and DJ's need to start thinking big again. The only way to get this scene unified and buzzing properly again, will be to provide a venue that assembles all the key current DJ's on a monthly basis in one major venue so they can play to a regular massive audience. Oldies can be supplied in another room for those who like the tried and tested. Everything's far too fragmented at present and there's no 100% 'must attend' major event for people's calendars. When someone eventually grabs that mantle like the Chris Burtons, Russ Winstanleys and Mary Chapmans of yesteryear did, then the scene has a chance of growing again. In my humble opinion of course....... Ian D
Len Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) Here’s a thought - As I said earlier, years ago it didn’t cross many peoples minds to D.J let alone promote….Fast forward a few years then come the dance scene D.J’s like Fat Boy Slim (Shape) etc. At that point it became a massive ‘coup’ to be a D.J. I think that’s when the desire to be a D.J then became common all over and not just on the Soul Scene. I personally was D.Jing before that time and for the record, the reason I enjoyed it then and still do today is that I feel I do try my best to bring something at least a bit different to what some are playing. I just wouldn’t get any enjoyment playing the same records as lots of other D.J’s. I don’t see any point in that, may as well let someone else play them and get on that dance floor. I put my reasoning down as I’m interested in what others get from D.Jing - Or more importantly promoting as that’s a cr*p hobby especially if “Numbers were down” (Again!!!) Why carry on? All the best, Len. P.S - Lou, apologies if this is swaying ‘off thread’ - They usually do! Lol …I think my post is connected but I get carried away sometimes (Yep, by the men in white coats!) I’ll go read your original post again… :O) P.p.s - I feel our ‘Beloved Soul Scene’ has been trampled all over but I’ve now blocked that thought out as I’ve decided to stay positive and enjoy wherever I choose to go - Have I mentioned that? Sorry, it’s self therapy! x Edited September 9, 2011 by LEN
SOULCENTRAL Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 As a life server for my sins, and as a punter, promoter, collector, and hopefully DJ, the scene is an ever changing one, sometimes for the good , but most times not would I would like. for the most part. what I really cant get my head round, and it really displeases me , why some people feel the need , to put down ,or go out of there way to have ago, or make a nasty dig, on forums, about other people, I know its all part of a healthy debate, however, sometimes it gets very personal, I thought we where all in this to-gether? for the greater good. to hear fantastic music, to send that shiver up your back ect, to be enlightened, to go out and just have a bloody good time,As someone said to me a long time ago, the scene is very tribal, which is true, of course I understand that we all have our favourite venues, theirs no shame in that, I for one, have mine. and make no bones about it, BUT..its getting worse IMO.The scene is over saturated, week by week even more nites, niters, DJ,s, at the end of the day, each and all have every right to DJ or promote, and the days when we was all youngsters.adorning our big name Dj s have long gone. Good thing or bad thing? we are getting older, of course, dying, illness , all these things impact on us all. There is a younger generation, waiting to fill the shoes of us old school soulies,and I think the scene will be very different in 10 or twenty years time, it has to evolve, for all things do.Yes I know all about the you pat my back I will pat yours, that will never change, Tit for tat DJing always goes on and it allways will.And I know some people will never get on! But I still ask the question why? Beasys made a comment about my passion and that's why I have decided to post up this thread, and for no other reason....... IN A NUTSHELL......JEALOUSY,GREED, EGO'S AND A LOVE OF THE MUSIC REPLACED WITH "ITS BUSINESS" ATTITUDE. OH AND ABOVE ALL, A LACK OF RESPECT FOR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE AND ARE STILL DOING FOR THE SCENE TODAY. MINI RANT OVER. ROY 1
Steve G Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) No one said it would be easy Steve. The scene was fragmented when the Torch closed down and then Wigan opened up and gave everyone a central focus again. When Cleethorpes Pier opened there was no precedent at all on the East Coast prior to that, but, once again, the pier supplied the scene with a major east coast focus. Mary Chapman didn't have any doubts when she set it up. Maybe promoters and DJ's need to start thinking big again. The only way to get this scene unified and buzzing properly again, will be to provide a venue that assembles all the key current DJ's on a monthly basis in one major venue so they can play to a regular massive audience. Oldies can be supplied in another room for those who like the tried and tested. Everything's far too fragmented at present and there's no 100% 'must attend' major event for people's calendars. When someone eventually grabs that mantle like the Chris Burtons, Russ Winstanleys and Mary Chapmans of yesteryear did, then the scene has a chance of growing again. In my humble opinion of course....... Ian D Ian, I just don't buy this. So who is the promotor? WHat do the other prmotors do? Sit back and watch? Who are the undisputed key current kings of the DJ world? If it's newies are't half a dozen of em already on at Lifeline? If you started a thread on DJs, you'd have a list as long as your arms and legs before the morning....and those that don't make the top 8 for this mega niter would ne nosed out of joint. We've kind of gone past all that now. Even if someone did try and assemble some sort of 2,000 night, after the first one the numbers would fall away for the second night. Sorry if I sound pessimistic, but the scene is split and the factions just won't ever come together at this point. I wouldn't go to a pure oldies night if it was in me next door neighbours house and I am sure some oldies fans feel the same way about newies. What's so wrong with having smaller venues where like minded folk pick and choose which ones to go and enjoy 'emselves? Edited September 9, 2011 by Steve G 1
Len Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Ian, I just don't buy this. So who is the promotor? WHat do the other prmotors do? Sit back and watch? Who are the undisputed key current kings of the DJ world? If it's newies are't half a dozen of em already on at Lifeline? If you started a thread on DJs, you'd have a list as long as your arms and legs before the morning....and those that don't make the top 8 for this mega niter would ne nosed out of joint. We've kind of gone past all that now. Even if someone did try and assemble some sort of 2,000 night, after the first one the numbers would fall away for the second night. Sorry if I sound pessimistic, but the scene is split and the factions just won't ever come together at this point. I wouldn't go to a pure oldies night if it was in me next door neighbours house and I am sure some oldies fans feel the same way about newies. What's so wrong with having smaller venues where like minded folk pick and choose which ones to go and enjoy 'emselves? I'm pretty sure Ian agrees it's an impossible wish. I suppose he's wishing for the excitement of the old days which is a lovely thought but it ain't gonna happen and everyone knows it. See you around at the smaller venues mate. Len. p.s - I'm 'the undisputed key current king of the DJ world' (In my 'deluded' mind!) lol - Ain't we all? lol 1
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Ian, I just don't buy this. So who is the promotor? WHat do the other prmotors do? Sit back and watch? Who are the undisputed key current kings of the DJ world? If it's newies are't half a dozen of em already on at Lifeline? If you started a thread on DJs, you'd have a list as long as your arms and legs before the morning....and those that don't make the top 8 for this mega niter would ne nosed out of joint. We've kind of gone past all that now. Even if someone did try and assemble some sort of 2,000 night, after the first one the numbers would fall away for the second night. Sorry if I sound pessimistic, but the scene is split and the factions just won't ever come together at this point. I wouldn't go to a pure oldies night if it was in me next door neighbours house and I am sure some oldies fans feel the same way about newies. What's so wrong with having smaller venues where like minded folk pick and choose which ones to go and enjoy 'emselves? Oh I dunno Steve. With a major venue there's a palpable sense of excitement because everyone knows it's a major event and they know that most of the key players will be there. Everybody raises their game accordingly and records 'break' faster. There's nowt wrong with smaller venues but they just don't have enough impact across the overall scene IMO. Has there been a major national rallying point since Stafford in the 80's (excepting the 100 Club which is obviously London centric)? Incidentaly, I'm not complaining. I'm not the target market by any means. Virtually all nights I go to these days I enjoy regardless. It's just that it would be great to have a major event to bring people together again on a national level. Ian D
Guest Paul Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 It sounds great but the only thing that might enable the success of a massive monthly all-nighter would be new blood - or young blood to be more specific. Just imagine the exciting thrill a newcomer would get from hearing tracks by Bob Relf, Eddie Parker, Tobi Legend, Morris Chestnut, The Ambers, Johnny Sayles, Kenni Smith etc. for the very first time. But there's another problem... the significant difference today is that people can hear those tracks (and thousands of others) without leaving their homes - and without spending any money. We had no choice but to attend events if we wanted to hear more and more tracks of that quality each week. There will always be new discoveries but, with respect, I think the overall quality and consistency can't compete with that of the early 1970s. It's almost impossible to recreate the magic of the days when it was all fresh and young. I'm sure we'll continue to have a number of soul scenes rather than a soul scene. The fragmentations have reduced the power of the scene (as it once was) but they also enabled musical diversity.
Ian Dewhirst Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 It sounds great but the only thing that might enable the success of a massive monthly all-nighter would be new blood - or young blood to be more specific. Just imagine the exciting thrill a newcomer would get from hearing tracks by Bob Relf, Eddie Parker, Tobi Legend, Morris Chestnut, The Ambers, Johnny Sayles, Kenni Smith etc. for the very first time. But there's another problem... the significant difference today is that people can hear those tracks (and thousands of others) without leaving their homes - and without spending any money. We had no choice but to attend events if we wanted to hear more and more tracks of that quality each week. There will always be new discoveries but, with respect, I think the overall quality and consistency can't compete with that of the early 1970s. It's almost impossible to recreate the magic of the days when it was all fresh and young. I'm sure we'll continue to have a number of soul scenes rather than a soul scene. The fragmentations have reduced the power of the scene (as it once was) but they also enabled musical diversity. Well, y'know, this is why we need to get smart. I've always considered Northern Soul to be the 8th wonder of the world because that's what it was to me. I've been around a lot and I can tell anyone without a shadow of a doubt that the Northern Soul scene was the most passionate scene on earth bar none. If I had enough time, I'd write a beautiful flowing eulogy to the beauty of Northern Soul but I'll save it for later in life when I can write it at leisure. In short, I'm still very passionate about the legacy of Northern Soul. It's really really historically important for numerous reasons. I really feel that the PR needs to be managed correctly and that there should be some serious interaction with the national heritage people. So, your point about technology and today's 'instant gratification' society highlights exactly why it's important to cover all angles if we want the scene to continue throughout the future. There is no reason why a monthly major 'live' event couldn't be streamed live throughout the world for those who can't attend. There's no reason why the international audience couldn't be allowed to buy original vinyl copies or digital files of the records they're hearing from the event on demand. There's no reason why the same audience wouldn't want to delve further into this incredible scene and it's history given the chance. Who wouldn't? It's not rocket science, it's merely using the technology of the day to reach your audience. I have a good overview. I have to deal with this stuff every day. I KNOW how these things work in the grand scheme of things. Effectively, if the general objective is to spread the love of Northern and Rare Soul music to new generations, then we'll have to get a lot smarter about the way we promote stuff. Expand the audience, don't reduce it. The way the scene is heading, it's in danger of becoming musically inbread and eventually irrelevent. It's important that the scene sustains. If there's an independently wealthy Northern Soul entrepreneur out there that fancies propelling this scene back into international mainstream consciousness again then PM me. Seriously. Ian D
Wiganer1 Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 there are plenty of brill allniters bout week in week out i go out most saturdays and nearly always something for everyone lifeline,,radcliffe..100 club,,rugby,,nuneaton coop,,,,polish club bolton... the people are still brill and are still the best people ever atb mark see ya at blackpool tomorrow nite!!!!!!!
Tomangoes Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 It sounds great but the only thing that might enable the success of a massive monthly all-nighter would be new blood - or young blood to be more specific. Just imagine the exciting thrill a newcomer would get from hearing tracks by Bob Relf, Eddie Parker, Tobi Legend, Morris Chestnut, The Ambers, Johnny Sayles, Kenni Smith etc. for the very first time. But there's another problem... the significant difference today is that people can hear those tracks (and thousands of others) without leaving their homes - and without spending any money. We had no choice but to attend events if we wanted to hear more and more tracks of that quality each week. There will always be new discoveries but, with respect, I think the overall quality and consistency can't compete with that of the early 1970s. It's almost impossible to recreate the magic of the days when it was all fresh and young. I'm sure we'll continue to have a number of soul scenes rather than a soul scene. The fragmentations have reduced the power of the scene (as it once was) but they also enabled musical diversity. I think more 'soulish type' nights are about now that ever, and the age group wider than ever. Tolerence is key. Like at weddings etc, sometimes you have to put up with queen of fools to get to just a little misunderstanding! I remember buying black echoes for years, casting aside 80% of this reggae and disco shit articles, just so I could read about 'my soul' music. No doubt just as many readers cast aside the 'Northern Page'!! If anybody remembers the 'good old days' just think about the absolute rubbish that went with it from Spencer Davis Wombat Travis Wammack David and the Giants Mike Mcdonald through to todays 'inclusions'. Its a great big melting pot (another black echoes term) so just go with the flow, get out there, mix, debate, argue, dance, and enjoy the company. Ed 1
old but nimble Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Oh dear , such a dark picture you are all painting , funny thing is whenever I see any of you ( those that I know) you never look unhappy ? Personally I don't like nighters anymore , I don't take substances to help me to stay awake/keep up and to be frank I find nighters a little seedy and intimidating . I know for some this is all part of the experience , it's not for me though. I don't condem other peoples needs , we are all adult , but then I would expect them to respect my wishes to not to attend. I am no lightweight when it comes to soul , I just don't wish to be up all night as I have other things in life that I want to do with my time. I would imagine thats what some nighter people call a lightweight ? or a handbagger ? I much prefer a local do where I have got to know the people and have a proper discussion with them rather than be talked at and who also who have a passion to collect and share. I found a few clubs like this local to me so I guess I am very lucky. There are those that put do's on that cater for the masses , in general I am not a big fan of these do's , I don't like large crowds, and I like to have room on the dancefloor. But I have found now that the collectors and chill out rooms are taking shape ( that has to be a massive plus ) it caters for my needs . I don't begrudge those masses that "some" call handbaggers or the baggy trouser brigade their good time because its their money /entrance fees that have aided in the creation of the additional facility of the collectors room . I think the buzz word should be tolerance , there is room for everyone What I do loath is when people snipe at others because their belief/understanding of Northern soul differs to theirs. I have no problem with a promoter making money , treating it as a business ...when you do something on a large scale it is a business , why people resent others for this I can't understand ? You don't go to work not to be paid ? well put carms. the trouble with the scene today is most of the DJs go on ego trips and dont care what the punters want, why play a £5.000 record and clear the floor. then put one worth £10.00 and you fill it. less egos please 1
Johnmcc Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 What's so wrong with having smaller venues where like minded folk pick and choose which ones to go and enjoy 'emselves? Hallelujah! 1
Guest Bearsy Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 well put carms. the trouble with the scene today is most of the DJs go on ego trips and dont care what the punters want, why play a £5.000 record and clear the floor. then put one worth £10.00 and you fill it. less egos please and there is nothing worse when a dj plays a shite £10 record and clears the floor when they could of played the £5k record that would of filled the floor just so they dont look like they have an expensive ego
Chalky Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 well put carms. the trouble with the scene today is most of the DJs go on ego trips and dont care what the punters want, why play a £5.000 record and clear the floor. then put one worth £10.00 and you fill it. less egos please who are the DJ's who clear the floor with £5000 records? Too many on here come out with this line yet never back it up with evidence. Same add the quote earlier in the topic "if it's rare it must be good" , another dig at DJ's playing expensive and rare records. Do you know what pretence they were booked under, what they were asked to play, what sort of night is it that is being promoted. It is easy to blame the DJ but 99% of the time it id the fault of the promoter booking the wrong DJ win this happens. 3
Raremusicdirect Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I think there is a general lack of honesty with regard to rare and expensive records. If most of us had the money, we would buy the tunes we love - whatever they cost. If I won the lottery, I'd be buying all the tunes I adore across the whole range of prices. Some would cost fortunes and I would buy them because I could. For now I have to work within the budget, but I don't pretend I wouldn't buy others if I could (and importantly loved the tune) Therefore I don't feel I can speak ill of those who do pay out for the more expensive tunes - good luck to them and hope I get to hear them played out..............
Winnie :-) Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 who are the DJ's who clear the floor with £5000 records? Too many on here come out with this line yet never back it up with evidence. Same add the quote earlier in the topic "if it's rare it must be good" , another dig at DJ's playing expensive and rare records. Do you know what pretence they were booked under, what they were asked to play, what sort of night is it that is being promoted. It is easy to blame the DJ but 99% of the time it id the fault of the promoter booking the wrong DJ win this happens. Have to say totally agree with Chalky here, everything's so cryptic, which leads to misunderstandings, if you've got something to say about a venue or a record clearing the dance floor, could you be a bit more specific, so we know what we're reading/discussing. Ian D, the idea of a 2000 person capacity venue firing up every month is lovely, but just not viable for obvious reasons. Music policy, what is it?., Promoter who is it? , DJs, who would they be? financing said venue, who could afford it? but above all getting 2000 people to travel again, not sure you'd be thanked for cutting down choice and basically curtailing a lot of punters social lives? Winnie
Munchkin Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) we have too Dave, Groovesville is taking a sabbatical for the time being, too many do's around. USOS too andy..... Edited September 10, 2011 by munchkin
Supercorsa Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 If you don't enjoy yourself when out - don't go, - I haven't been out to a do for about a year now! 5. No one will write a bad review for fear of being blanked / disliked. They can say private but not public. Hence poor venues continue and drag down the good (both being half empty) - I second that emotion. I am one of those people that do not attend venues much, if at all. I still buy the odd record each month, but as for going out it's no longer really for me. My real true lifelong friends are not part of the soul scene, but at times have attended events with me. These friends have their own lives to lead and it is their company at events that I miss the most. Having the odd conversation with others who have the same or similar musical tastes is not the same thing. Also as I'm not a dancer (nor much of a drinker) , standing alone at the back of a room listening to records being spun, that I could listen to at home (either on vinyl/cd or even via the internet), is not much fun. Some could say I should make more of an effort to chat with people, but I've never been that sort of person, I like to observe people and get to know what sort of person they are before getting too friendly. Unfortunately I have now reached the point, where I want an easy life and choose to do what makes me (& my family) happy. I no longer care about things like trying to prove being part of something or being seen at the "in" event to try and be accepted. How I'll feel in the future? Who knows? I think the main thing is, as long as you're enjoying whatever it is you do, then keep on doing it! 1
Guest Bearsy Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I am one of those people that do not attend venues much, if at all. I still buy the odd record each month, but as for going out it's no longer really for me. My real true lifelong friends are not part of the soul scene, but at times have attended events with me. These friends have their own lives to lead and it is their company at events that I miss the most. Having the odd conversation with others who have the same or similar musical tastes is not the same thing. Also as I'm not a dancer (nor much of a drinker) , standing alone at the back of a room listening to records being spun, that I could listen to at home (either on vinyl/cd or even via the internet), is not much fun. Some could say I should make more of an effort to chat with people, but I've never been that sort of person, I like to observe people and get to know what sort of person they are before getting too friendly. Unfortunately I have now reached the point, where I want an easy life and choose to do what makes me (& my family) happy. I no longer care about things like trying to prove being part of something or being seen at the "in" event to try and be accepted. How I'll feel in the future? Who knows? I think the main thing is, as long as you're enjoying whatever it is you do, then keep on doing it! oi billy no mates you need to get out more hopr your well Ian long time no see
Guest Andy Kempster Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) we have too Dave, Groovesville is taking a sabbatical for the time being, too many do's around. USOS too andy..... its a sad but true fact, IMHO we had a great venue, excellent sound system and superb resident and guest djs , as did you. but as has said before, you can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. i for one and I know tobes and melv would agree with this said that we just couldnt keep throwing good money after bad. if we wanted to fill the place up then we were going to have to change our music policy. this is not something we were or in the future are not prepared to do and so we had to decide to put it on the back burner for now. means we can just get out and enjoy ourselves now at our favourite nighters.... Edited September 10, 2011 by Andy Kempster
Guest Bearsy Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 its a sad but true fact, IMHO we had a great venue, excellent sound system and superb resident and guest djs , as did you. but as has said before, you can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. i for one and I know tobes and melv would agree with this said that we just couldnt keep throwing good money after bad. if we wanted to fill the place up then we were going to have to change our music policy. this is not something we were or in the future are not prepared to do and so we had to decide to put it on the back burner for now. means we can just get out and enjoy ourselves now at our favourite nighters.... And if this and Kev Spittles post aint evidance that the cream dont rise to the top then im elvis presley 2 of my favourite nights having to take a break cos too many nights on, these nights are what the scene is and should be about, exciting fresh music played by enthusiastic djs playing the best in current old and forgotten sounds of the highest quality of rare soul/northern soul or whatever you wanna call it
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