Sal Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Bobby Goldsboro......"It's Too Late" ........ how the hell that is classed as soul music I'll never know. Tunes like this one was probably one of the reasons I didn't last long at Wigan. Thankfully, there was some excellent classics came out of the Casino but there sure as hell was some utter cr*p as well.....just my own humble opinion here 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sal Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 ......oh and add that Gary Lewis (son of Jerry Lewis) ....^My Hearts Symphony".......words fail me 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Bobby Goldsboro......"It's Too Late" ........ how the hell that is classed as soul music I'll never know. Tunes like this one was probably one of the reasons I didn't last long at Wigan. Thankfully, there was some excellent classics came out of the Casino but there sure as hell was some utter cr*p as well.....just my own humble opinion here Don't think it's ever been classed as soul music. Northern Soul, yes. And it is. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 That was a very clever piece of "Columbo Style" detective work there. Impressive!!! Just doin' my job Sir. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sal Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Don't think it's ever been classed as soul music. Northern Soul, yes. And it is. Wouldn't class it as either to be honest.....it's just pop music to me that 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Wouldn't class it as either to be honest.....it's just pop music to me that Some good pop records played as NS though, not saying that one is great but Tell Her, More Today Than yesterday etc 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sal Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Some good pop records played as NS though, not saying that one is great but Tell Her, More Today Than yesterday etc Think that's the problem I have with these sort of tunes if I'm being honest......can't get my head round pop music being classed as any genre of soul music. But that's just my own personal take on it.....probably an age thing (and I'm mighty bl**dy old !! haha ) Edited March 9, 2014 by Sal Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sir cumference Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 As per usual - it`s "lets knock the Casino", 1)Because it`s easy, 2)Because it`s sure to get some others on board 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sal Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 As per usual - it`s "lets knock the Casino", Don't be silly sir cumference........just because some of the music wasn't to my taste doesn't mean to say that it wasn't a crackin' venue. There is no doubt whatsoever that some wonderful classics came from the Casino. Just think it's an age thing.....I started off late 60's on the soul scene so my "tastes" tend to be a little bit different to the younger ones who started going to the Casino around mid 70's. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sir cumference Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Don't be silly sir cumference........just because some of the music wasn't to my taste doesn't mean to say that it wasn't a crackin' venue. There is no doubt whatsoever that some wonderful classics came from the Casino. Just think it's an age thing.....I started off late 60's on the soul scene so my "tastes" tend to be a little bit different to the younger ones who started going to the Casino around mid 70's. fair enough 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sal Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 fair enough No problem mister.......I'm just one of those old fossils from the 60's......you know what we're like Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulman58 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I though the Jazz/Funk scene played some pretty average tracks, but this post has made me think that there may have been as much poor northern as top tunes, though some of the posts are fine IMHO. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Grayman45 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Bobby Goldsboro......"It's Too Late" ........ how the hell that is classed as soul music I'll never know. Tunes like this one was probably one of the reasons I didn't last long at Wigan. Thankfully, there was some excellent classics came out of the Casino but there sure as hell was some utter cr*p as well.....just my own humble opinion here I've just put some records on Ebay. Interestingly, "It's Too Late" seems to getting more hits than other soul tracks. Not mad on in myself, but it did end up in my collection! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Some good pop records played as NS though, not saying that one is great but Tell Her, More Today Than yesterday etc Hear hear, its all fabulous music... Love Bobby Goldsboro, great 'Northern Soul' hearing it makes me very happy... :) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
clevesoulie Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Othello (Othella?) Robertson...I don't consider that singing, it's more like SCREECHING! On a par with nails on a chalkboard. Best, Mark 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soash Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Each to his own. Someone said they didn't like Ike & Tina's "Dust My Broom" - which I find unfathomable. "Hey Sal E No", or whatever it is called, is my pet hate "No, no, no no no no no.........is that REALLY a lyric? Did someone get paid for that?? Edited March 17, 2014 by soash Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Each to his own. Someone said they didn't like Ike & Tina's "Dust My Broom" - which I find unfathomable. "Hey Sal E No", or whatever it is called, is my pet hate "No, no, no no no no no.........is that REALLY a lyric? Did someone get paid for that?? Are you mixing up Hey Sah Lo Ney with Nobody But Me (thats the one that goes no no no no no no)? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 My turn.... Never ever in my life did i expect criticism of Lester Tipton This tune is the ultimate Northern Soul record, at the top of the tree! It is a perfect example of describing what Northern Soul is to outsiders. It has been quoted as being poorly produced, well what would you expect in a back street garage of a studio? Carry on you lot with your descriptions of the below standard rubbish mostly described on here BUT LEAVE THIS MASTERPIECE OUT OF IT Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 My turn.... Never ever in my life did i expect criticism of Lester Tipton This tune is the ultimate Northern Soul record, at the top of the tree! It is a perfect example of describing what Northern Soul is to outsiders. It has been quoted as being poorly produced, well what would you expect in a back street garage of a studio? Carry on you lot with your descriptions of the below standard rubbish mostly described on here BUT LEAVE THIS MASTERPIECE OUT OF IT You can't say it's messy because of where it was produced, the magnificent "How" by The Masqueraders originates from the same place and is sublime, but Tipton and Al Williams only got their status because of their rarity, not because they're particularly good. IN MY OPINION Mr. Labeat, IN MY OPINION. I'm sure you dislike half of my favourites, I won't get upset. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Othello (Othella?) Robertson...I don't consider that singing, it's more like SCREECHING! On a par with nails on a chalkboard. Best, Mark yeah that's crap. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 As a mark of respect i say the towns of Leicester & Tipton should be twinned to honour this great man for giving us "This wont change" P.S, I am not a devout Detroit lover (only 90% ) i would appreciate quality soul from Timbuktu Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soash Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Are you mixing up Hey Sah Lo Ney with Nobody But Me (thats the one that goes no no no no no no)? Probably. Senile memory! And I hate them both! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 As a mark of respect i say the towns of Leicester & Tipton should be twinned to honour this great man for giving us "This wont change" P.S, I am not a devout Detroit lover (only 90% ) i would appreciate quality soul from Timbuktu If you've ever been to Tipton you'd change your mind. Then again, Leicester.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 You can't say it's messy because of where it was produced, the magnificent "How" by The Masqueraders originates from the same place and is sublime, but Tipton and Al Williams only got their status because of their rarity, not because they're particularly good. IN MY OPINION Mr. Labeat, IN MY OPINION. I'm sure you dislike half of my favourites, I won't get upset. Hang on a minute, who said it was messy? You are talking pathetic about STATUS & RARITY.... and not particularly good.... Go see a shrink! I wont get into a squabble of your choice of tunes but i will defend LT till the cows come home Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MrsWoodsrules Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 Some good pop records played as NS though, not saying that one is great but Tell Her, More Today Than yesterday etc Agree Pete, Lynn Randell being one of my all time favorite ever Casino tracks, Im sure you could class in this catagory too, great track. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hang on a minute, who said it was messy? You are talking pathetic about STATUS & RARITY.... and not particularly good.... Go see a shrink! I wont get into a squabble of your choice of tunes but i will defend LT till the cows come home You did, here, it was only 10 minutes ago It has been quoted as being poorly produced, well what would you expect in a back street garage of a studio? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 WHAT, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, IT WAS THE GERMAN BLOKE HEISENBERG P.552 THAT MADE THE BLOODY QUOTE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 WHAT, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, IT WAS THE GERMAN BLOKE HEISENBERG P.552 THAT MADE THE BLOODY QUOTE Stop shouting, you're showing yourself up. Did you or did you not say well what would you expect in a back street garage of a studio Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 F*ck this I'm off for an early night, you can't have a simple conversation with some... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Stop shouting, you're showing yourself up. Did you or did you not say well what would you expect in a back street garage of a studio F*ck this I'm off for an early night, you can't have a simple conversation with some... No, but you'll be back on here first thing tomorrow trying to correct everybody with your self opinionated smug mister know-all posts. I asked the man what he expected, i am saying "I DID NOT SAY IT WAS MESSY" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 No, but you'll be back on here first thing tomorrow trying to correct everybody with your self opinionated smug mister know-all posts. I asked the man what he expected, i am saying "I DID NOT SAY IT WAS MESSY" Speak to you when you get your dummy back. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Thanks - I figured some guys here must see it my way. Well, Tipton absolutely CANNOT SING, can he ? Probably someone destroyed most of the copies because it came out so shitty - hence the damn rarity When has it been needed to sing correctly on a NS record.? Frailty,hitting off notes,not so perfect production,one take production techniques - these are the things that capture in 2.30 secs what others strive all their life to find in music.Lester Tipton,a masterclass in what is NS. Next you'll be saying Gwen Owens hit some bum notes on "Wanted and needed." Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 When has it been needed to sing correctly on a NS record.? Since Marc Copage made Who Can I Turn To. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Since Marc Copage made Who Can I Turn To. or Marco Page 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 No, but you'll be back on here first thing tomorrow trying to correct everybody with your self opinionated smug mister know-all posts. I asked the man what he expected, i am saying "I DID NOT SAY IT WAS MESSY" I said it was messy, you said what do you expect, it was recorded in some back street studio, and I said so was The Masqueraders. That was the conversation. If you don't like my posts don't read them. I don't come on here to be insulted, I go elsewhere for that.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I said it was messy, you said what do you expect, it was recorded in some back street studio, and I said so was The Masqueraders. That was the conversation. If you don't like my posts don't read them. I don't come on here to be insulted, I go elsewhere for that.. Your post 577, your first word.... "YOU" ? Are you referring to me or not? Is there a reason why people insult you elsewhere, have you been getting other peoples backs up? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Your post 577, your first word.... "YOU" ? Are you referring to me or not? Is there a reason why people insult you elsewhere, have you been getting other peoples backs up? No, 'you' as in 'everybody' or 'someone', not you as in you yourself. "I go elsewhere for that" - was a joke. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 No, 'you' as in 'everybody' or 'someone', not you as in you yourself. "I go elsewhere for that" - was a joke. Well that just goes to show that you cannot expect everybody to interpret your wordings the way you mean. Let "US" keep things simple!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Well that just goes to show that you cannot expect everybody to interpret your wordings the way you mean. Let "US" keep things simple!!! Amen to that Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I have to name it now though it surely will get me in trouble: Lester Tipton "This won't change" - No voice (listen closely !), no melody, cheap production, plain terrible. Rare'n'Boring. Why the heck is this record so extremely overpriced ?? Sorry... You are 1,000,000 % right about 1 thing.... getting in trouble All the poor tunes commented on this thread and you put a GEM amongst them... GRrrrrr Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Labeat Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Dear Mrs Tipton. I can only apologize for the dis-respect shown towards your son Lester and his recording of "This wont Change". It must tear you apart reading these horrible comments and i share your grief, honestly, you had me in tears when you phoned me. Thankfully, most/majority of SS members have a compassionate love of TWT, because, after all, it is a Super Super tune, in the hall of fame... and "THIS WON'T CHANGE" Best wishes Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 3am, a dark dingy room somewhere in the north of England, you're in "the zone" Lester Tipton comes on……. Need I say more? Thats what its all about for me………………….. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 WOW. "This won't change" by Lester Tipton still remains a mediocre record for me. The sloppy production is arguably my weakest argument here, I give you that. But I stand by my opinion that his voice is really (a little too) weak (remember Pete S. told me / us that Tipton was not a professional singer) and the melody is virtually nonexistent. It is a timid attempt to make a good soul record or even a hit. It shouldn't cost 1000s because as a piece of musical art it just isn't worth that much. NO. Anyway what's the use of this thread if it deteriorates into puttin other people's opinions down ?! Why is it not "allowed" to dislike holy grails ? 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
clevesoulie Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 The best thing about the Tipton record is that the Masqueraders sing back-up on it. Would I want to track it down for that reason? Probably not...but at least, they make it slightly bearable. Best, Mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Juniorsoul Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 magnetics-lady in green,fookin hate it ! jason It's frigging sublime! But each to their own n'tha. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Juniorsoul Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 This. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 WOW. "This won't change" by Lester Tipton still remains a mediocre record for me. The sloppy production is arguably my weakest argument here, I give you that. But I stand by my opinion that his voice is really (a little too) weak (remember Pete S. told me / us that Tipton was not a professional singer) and the melody is virtually nonexistent. It is a timid attempt to make a good soul record or even a hit. It shouldn't cost 1000s because as a piece of musical art it just isn't worth that much. NO. Anyway what's the use of this thread if it deteriorates into puttin other people's opinions down ?! Why is it not "allowed" to dislike holy grails ? :shhh:Say Say what you want Heisenberg, there's no single school of thought on here. You're also not the only one who was underwhelmed by the record when they first heard it, 30 odd years ago or last week. It was also idiotic of the guy to single out your nationality, but there you go... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Thanks Macca, but I'm fine. If LaBeat meant he doesn't like us "german blokes" - which I wouldn't imply him per se - we have something in common 'cause I don't like a lot of them either Was just being slightly pissed - a moment of weakness - that some fellas don't want to understand that it's not the point of an interesting thread like this to defend records that are being named here as someone's least favorite "till the cows come home" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 WOW. "This won't change" by Lester Tipton still remains a mediocre record for me. The sloppy production is arguably my weakest argument here, I give you that. But I stand by my opinion that his voice is really (a little too) weak (remember Pete S. told me / us that Tipton was not a professional singer) and the melody is virtually nonexistent. It is a timid attempt to make a good soul record or even a hit. It shouldn't cost 1000s because as a piece of musical art it just isn't worth that much. NO. Anyway what's the use of this thread if it deteriorates into puttin other people's opinions down ?! Why is it not "allowed" to dislike holy grails ? It is allowed to dislike holy grails.But not everyone will agree with you. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
clevesoulie Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I like the flip of "Lady In Green", "Heart You're Made of Stone"...again, would I track it down for that? Probably not...I'd rather have the Professionals on Groove City! Best, Mark 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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