Ady Potts Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Back in September i sold a Ronnie Dyson - Lady in red on ebay. As with all my ebay sales, 99p kick off, no reserve. It made £46. Did the buyer pay up? No. So i sent several reminders. No reply. I then said if you don't pay me, i'll give you a bad feedback. Then i got a reply ( i've deleted all names except mine ):- hi ady there was a mis hap, ***** my good lady bid $25 for it not knowing it was buy it now which i think you had £45 on which is tinch to high sorry for any inconveinence caused **** like i said, started it at 99p no reserve I didn't tell him to go £46, he chose to go to that. So what can i do? Nothing. If i give him a bad feedback, he'll give me one. Funny thing is, without saying who it is, it's a big name d.j., & i've seen him on soul source so he's reading this. The item number of the record is:- 4766268439 Dont know how to do a link to it, perhaps someone else can do that. So, can you pay me, please!!
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 I'm not sure of your rights to payment under these circumstances. Of course, if he bid he should pay, but how legally binding his bidding was is another matter and might cost more in legal fees than a good chunk of your sale list - you really should be directing your enquiries to Ebay and see what they say Good luck.
Simon T Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 The item number of the record is:- 4766268439 Dont know how to do a link to it, perhaps someone else can do that. Ady Got to ebay's front page, click 'advanced search' under search and put in the number. When the pages comes up, you can copy and paste the page's address / link
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) It's quite clear it was not a Pay Now item - there are quite a number of bids annadantom ( 47Feedback score is 10 to 49) £46.00 15-Sep-05 20:13:24 BST soulfoundations(private) £45.00 15-Sep-05 20:15:00 BST soulfoundations(private) £39.00 15-Sep-05 20:14:49 BST saxonthetraxdan ( 27Feedback score is 10 to 49) £20.00 10-Sep-05 16:35:38 BST lindar3005 ( 12Feedback score is 10 to 49) £20.00 13-Sep-05 22:14:51 BST lindar3005 ( 12Feedback score is 10 to 49) £17.50 13-Sep-05 22:13:12 BST lindar3005 ( 12Feedback score is 10 to 49) £15.00 13-Sep-05 22:11:02 BST lindar3005 ( 12Feedback score is 10 to 49) £12.50 13-Sep-05 22:10:07 BST twoqoy ( 16Feedback score is 10 to 49) £10.00 10-Sep-05 14:00:59 BST twoqoy ( 16Feedback score is 10 to 49) £5.00 10-Sep-05 01:20:59 BST soulboy1962frs6 ( 10Feedback score is 10 to 49) £3.00 09-Sep-05 18:52:05 BST soulboy1962frs6 ( 10Feedback score is 10 to 49) £2.50 09-Sep-05 18:51:44 BST soulboy1962frs6 ( 10Feedback score is 10 to 49) £2.00 09-Sep-05 18:51:24 BST soulboy1962frs6 ( 10Feedback score is 10 to 49) You could of course contact the 2nd place winner and ask if they would still like it for the price they bid at? Edited October 28, 2005 by Soulgirl
Guest Dodger Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) Back in September i sold a Ronnie Dyson - Lady in red on ebay. As with all my ebay sales, 99p kick off, no reserve. It made £46. Did the buyer pay up? No. So i sent several reminders. No reply. I then said if you don't pay me, i'll give you a bad feedback. Then i got a reply ( i've deleted all names except mine ):- hi ady there was a mis hap, ***** my good lady bid $25 for it not knowing it was buy it now which i think you had £45 on which is tinch to high sorry for any inconveinence caused **** like i said, started it at 99p no reserve I didn't tell him to go £46, he chose to go to that. So what can i do? Nothing. If i give him a bad feedback, he'll give me one. Funny thing is, without saying who it is, it's a big name d.j., & i've seen him on soul source so he's reading this. The item number of the record is:- 4766268439 Dont know how to do a link to it, perhaps someone else can do that. So, can you pay me, please!! Whoever it is he probably didn't want two copies - looks like he bought it from somebody else instead!!!!!!!!!!!! https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=4769290815 Edited October 28, 2005 by Dodger
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Whoever it is he probably didn't want two copies - looks like he bought it from somebody else instead!!!!!!!!!!!! https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=4769290815 Oh naughty boy, wonder who he is ?????
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Yes, that was rather naughty. He should have paid up whether it was his wife's fault or not. She should have forfeited a new Christian Dior lippy that week as a punishment
Guest Dodger Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 It could easily have been a mix up I suppose if it was his good lady. You know what women are like with computers!!
mischief Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Ady, is it not worth getting in touch with one of the other bidders and asking them if they still want it, at least then you've sold it..
Ady Potts Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 Whoever it is he probably didn't want two copies - looks like he bought it from somebody else instead!!!!!!!!!!!! https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=4769290815 Exactly.
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Careful Dodger... you'll be over my knee! I think he blamed her when he knew full well what was going on. Cheeky urchin
Ady Potts Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 Ady, is it not worth getting in touch with one of the other bidders and asking them if they still want it, at least then you've sold it.. Tried that mate, didn't get a reply.
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 He's been spending a lot of money over the last few months hasn't he!
mischief Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 fair enough... If someone bids and then don't pay don't you still have to pay the fees? Only ever sold a couple of bits on there so at the time wasn't important for me to know...
Guest Dodger Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 He's been spending a lot of money over the last few months hasn't he! 2005 is a very expensive year in which to discover 'modden'!!
Guest Andy BB Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 You either accept his explanation and move on, or you leave bad feedback. Looks like you're not happy with his response (and I wouldn't be either - it certainly looks on the face of it that he's got one cheaper so dropped yours - he should pay up and then resell it - yours is in better nick than the one he got anyway). I've made some proper silly purchases when I've been drunk but you simply have to bite the bullet. There's no point in having an ebay without feedback. And no point in having feedback if people don't use it properly. Leaving retaliatory negative feedback is against eBay rules and he'll get a warning if he does it - you'll get the negative feedback removed and all your fees refunded. They actually do listen these days.
Ady Potts Posted October 28, 2005 Author Posted October 28, 2005 fair enough... If someone bids and then don't pay don't you still have to pay the fees? Only ever sold a couple of bits on there so at the time wasn't important for me to know... Problem is mischief, ebay have now made it such a long drawn out process to recoup your fee's, as in this case. They dont want to lose their commission, come what may. They even suggested ME calling the buyer!! pottsy
mischief Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Problem is mischief, ebay have now made it such a long drawn out process to recoup your fee's, as in this case. They dont want to lose their commission, come what may. They even suggested ME calling the buyer!! pottsy Ok you say the person comes on here, if they do read this thread maybe they could at least offer to pay the fees, then you could resell the record... not the ideal solution I admit but at least you are not out of pocket.. You know they aren't going to pay in full now any way..... maybe they could get there wife to pay it
Guest Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Maybe Ebay who own Paypal could change the payment process and automatically deduct the payment from the PayPal account of the winning bidder! Not a bad suggestion
Guest Andy BB Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Problem is mischief, ebay have now made it such a long drawn out process to recoup your fee's, as in this case. They dont want to lose their commission, come what may. They even suggested ME calling the buyer!! pottsy Naah, it's a piece of cake now. In the drop down list next to the item in your "My ebay" you select "Open unpaid item dispute" Then ebay email the bidder to request payment. If after a week they haven't paid you can close the dispute and get your fees back. Lemon Squeeazy, Japaneesy
Dave Rimmer Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) **** Funny thing is, without saying who it is, it's a big name d.j., & i've seen him on soul source so he's reading this. Name and Shame Edited October 28, 2005 by Dave Rimmer
Mark B Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 loke andy said we all make mistakes if i bid on something then i either buy it or contact the seller tell him i made a mistake and then pay his fees. it is only fair. mark
Tsu Tomatoes Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 Go through the correct channels to get your money back AND leave the negative feedback. If your rating is good, people see that it's an obvious retaliatory comment left in return. I've had the same trouble with 'littlemoscow'. I paid immediately, waited 3 weeks, sent two reminders, then after E bay got involved they decided to refund my money and tell me the item was no longer in stock. (A re-issue 7"). I gave them a neutral feedback and they returned one. They've had 33 negatives this year. I've had none. You can see straight away who's wrong. Be bold and shame them. In case you missed the name of the E bay bad guys. It's littlemoscow
mischief Posted October 28, 2005 Posted October 28, 2005 I gave them a neutral feedback and they returned one. They've had 33 negatives this year. I've had none. You can see straight away who's wrong. Be bold and shame them. In case you missed the name of the E bay bad guys. It's littlemoscow They seem to be on Gemm and Music Shack as well... Can't imagine many people using little moscow as a name... Feed back on Gemm is 3.9 out of 10
sister dawn Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 They seem to be on Gemm and Music Shack as well... Can't imagine many people using little moscow as a name... Feed back on Gemm is 3.9 out of 10 Very expensive shop for the choons this one
Ady Potts Posted October 29, 2005 Author Posted October 29, 2005 I've just sent him a polite email asking him to have a look at this thread, & would he like to reply. Regards, pottsy.
vaultofsouler Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 I've just sent him a polite email asking him to have a look at this thread, & would he like to reply. Regards, pottsy. And if no reply Ady ????.... gonna do as Dave says ....
Ady Potts Posted October 29, 2005 Author Posted October 29, 2005 (edited) And if no reply Ady ????.... gonna do as Dave says .... Let's give him a chance to reply Mark, as he's probably very busy. pottsy. Edited October 29, 2005 by pottsy
Dave Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 I've just sent him a polite email asking him to have a look at this thread, & would he like to reply. Regards, pottsy. I've read this thread as its developed and theres a couple of things I don't understand: 1. If the situation is as you've described, why don't you sort it as Andy suggested rather than going on about it here? Andy is right...the mechanism is in place. 2. What is the point in saying the alleged defaulter is a big name DJ and uses this site if you are not prepared to name him? Smacks of small time sensationalism. 3. Someone has copied across the bidding history for this item....why? I know one of the under-bidders... they don't come on SS, and they are, ahem, less than pleased that their ebay activities have been posted up on here.
Ady Potts Posted October 29, 2005 Author Posted October 29, 2005 I've read this thread as its developed and theres a couple of things I don't understand: 1. If the situation is as you've described, why don't you sort it as Andy suggested rather than going on about it here? Andy is right...the mechanism is in place. 2. What is the point in saying the alleged defaulter is a big name DJ and uses this site if you are not prepared to name him? Smacks of small time sensationalism. 3. Someone has copied across the bidding history for this item....why? I know one of the under-bidders... they don't come on SS, and they are, ahem, less than pleased that their ebay activities have been posted up on here. Hello Dave, 1. I am doing, but does that excuse the fact that people do this? Bid on items & then not honour their bid?. Before you click on the "place your bid" button, it explains without any confusion that it's a binding contract that you are entering. Sadly, this happens a lot & sellers are not given a chance to voice their feeling's regarding this, other than leaving bad feedback. And as i have said before, if you leave a bad feedback the buyer can leave the same in retaliation. Then it's a long process of appealing to ebay to try & get that negative removed. 2. I'm very prepared to name him, but once that's been done, where does that leave me? It leaves me without my money & no bargaining power. This may well smack of small time sensationalism to you Dave, but then i don't suppose you do this for your living. This isn't a hobby of mine, this is my full time job. 3. I can't see how anyone has been compromised in any way. All the information regarding bid's is on full view to the public. You can view their feedback history, what they've bid on, what they didn't win. But sadly, the only thing you can't view, is what they didn't pay up on. pottsy.
Guest Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 I've read this thread as its developed and theres a couple of things I don't understand: 3. Someone has copied across the bidding history for this item....why? I know one of the under-bidders... they don't come on SS, and they are, ahem, less than pleased that their ebay activities have been posted up on here. That was me confirming it was won by bidding quashing the winners arguement that it was a 'buy now' deal. If they don't come on here how did they know about it? The information I cut and pasted was public information on a public domain, available to anyone that wishes to look at it. If he's that private perhaps he should conduct his sales and purchases in other ways rather than on the most public domain in the whole wide world This thread is an above-board discussion about one of Soul Sources' members being duped, let's not lose sight of that
Dave Abbott Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 Maybe Ebay who own Paypal could change the payment process and automatically deduct the payment from the PayPal account of the winning bidder! Not a bad suggestion That would mean them changing all their agreements cos you cant deduct money without prior permission. And would only work if the person had credit in their paypal account. Big Name DJ? He should be getting the far superior version by Chris DeBurgh
Guest Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 (edited) I thought of that after I posted Dave It would be possible if they gave prior warning about the change being made from a particular date. Only trouble is, it would push out those that didn't have credit or debit facilities - but who cares I don't have credit on my paypal account but I have a debit and credit card on it for payments. Edited October 29, 2005 by Soulgirl
Mandy Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 I think you should have sorted it with the said person first and see what was going on before coming on here about it .... lots of people make mistakes on ebay (i for one don't use it) ...... think you should of waited for a response first and then if not happy with reply or lack of reply then have a bit of a moan. No need really to say it was a big DJ unless you're going to name them ... gives a lot of DJs a bit of a nervous twitch I'm sure!!! (Not saying they've all done this) I just think you should have given the person a chance to explain themselves first
Dave Abbott Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 Mandy, Ady did get a response; not too convincing one. but i think that the guy should reply to Ady off-list.
Dave Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 That was me confirming it was won by bidding quashing the winners arguement that it was a 'buy now' deal. If they don't come on here how did they know about it? The information I cut and pasted was public information on a public domain, available to anyone that wishes to look at it. If he's that private perhaps he should conduct his sales and purchases in other ways rather than on the most public domain in the whole wide world This thread is an above-board discussion about one of Soul Sources' members being duped, let's not lose sight of that They know because I asked them what they thought about it. We all know that when we use ebay, our history is accessible... on ebay!
Dave Posted October 29, 2005 Posted October 29, 2005 Why was he displeased about it then Like I say, one accepts one's ebay history is visible on that site to those who want to look for it. But not everyone wants their activities displayed on another site.
Ady Potts Posted October 29, 2005 Author Posted October 29, 2005 ...... think you should of waited for a response first and then if not happy with reply or lack of reply then have a bit of a moan. No need really to say it was a big DJ unless you're going to name them ... gives a lot of DJs a bit of a nervous twitch I'm sure!!! (Not saying they've all done this) I just think you should have given the person a chance to explain themselves first Hello Mandy, The item in question sold on the 15th September, i didn't get a response until 20th October, when i said i'd leave him bad feedback if he didn't pay up. So in other words, he wasn't in any way interested until it was going to have an adverse affect on himself. Would have thought this would have been long enough to respond. This should in no way give any other d.j's nervous twitches, as they weren't involved in the auction. pottsy
Dysonsoul Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 This is the problem with this scene evrybody wants to know or thinks they know every one else's buisness, the top dj in question is stand up and honourable in my experience ! it should be kept private untill you both have spoken in private me thinks there will be a more than satisfactory reason or explanation to this matter whoever he may be !
Dave Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 This is the problem with this scene evrybody wants to know or thinks they know every one else's buisness, the top dj in question is stand up and honourable in my experience ! it should be kept private untill you both have spoken in private me thinks there will be a more than satisfactory reason or explanation to this matter whoever he may be ! Well said, that man! Points I was trying to make earlier. It gets like Oprah on here sometimes
Soulsmith Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Well said, that man! Points I was trying to make earlier. It gets like Oprah on here sometimes Hate to disagree Dave, but its more like Jerry Springer.
pikeys dog Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Dave Rimmer, Just pay the man for the record. WOOF! .
Dave Rimmer Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Dave Rimmer, Just pay the man for the record. WOOF! ¢Å¾¢. Leave it out What would I want with a disco record
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