Ady Croasdell Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 When was it first a) discovered, b) played; presumably by Guy at Stafford.
Tony Smith Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Rod Shards baby (Modernsoulsucks), I'm sure he can fill you in with details, Guy played it off a dub from him, as Shirley Matthews & the Belles
Philb Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 When was it first a) discovered, b) played; presumably by Guy at Stafford. I know i bought mine off of you Ady back in the 80's £250 if i remember right. Phil.
Chalky Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Guy tells the story at https://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/guyhenigan.htm
Ady Croasdell Posted July 27, 2011 Author Posted July 27, 2011 I know i bought mine off of you Ady back in the 80's £250 if i remember right. Phil. As Larry Banks sang: Ooh It Hurts Me!
Ady Croasdell Posted July 27, 2011 Author Posted July 27, 2011 Guy tells the story at https://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/guyhenigan.htm Excellent so did he first play it at Stafford and which year exactly? Come on Smiffy you should know that!
Pete S Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Excellent so did he first play it at Stafford and which year exactly? Come on Smiffy you should know that! Not me I'm afraid Ady, I never went to the Stafford allnighters, I only went there up to 1980...John Pugh will know
Ted Massey Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 I bought 2 copies of Shay, Ian Clarks mate around 1988, £150 each he had found them in a record shop in the states think he found 3 or 4 of them
purist Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Not me I'm afraid Ady, I never went to the Stafford allnighters, I only went there up to 1980...John Pugh will know Without finding my notes ( and that aint gonna happen any time soon) my guess would be 1984-85. Here's my thinking. Guy says he started DJ'ing at TOTW summer 83 and it wasn't in his early sets. The record lasted as a popular dancefloor record for quite a decent amount of time at TOTW, so it probably wasnt anywhere near the end. From memory pretty sure Guy told me he played it at somewhere like Derby at a soul nite or some club where there was a party where lots of soulies were, then later the same nite he played it for the first time at Stafford, so it's first Niter play was at TOTW (unless Rod or Dave played it anywhere? but I've never heard anybody say that) btw it's the first record I use when somebody who doesn't know what Northern is, asks to hear the sound of N/S.
Ted Massey Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Hi John i remember being in Guys house with Graham Anthony and him saying im sure the producers had a vision of what Wigan would be like 10 years later when they made this. Strangley or not it took ages for the oldies crowd to latch on to it
Chalky Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Without finding my notes ( and that aint gonna happen any time soon) my guess would be 1984-85. Here's my thinking. Guy says he started DJ'ing at TOTW summer 83 and it wasn't in his early sets. The record lasted as a popular dancefloor record for quite a decent amount of time at TOTW, so it probably wasnt anywhere near the end. From memory pretty sure Guy told me he played it at somewhere like Derby at a soul nite or some club where there was a party where lots of soulies were, then later the same nite he played it for the first time at Stafford, so it's first Niter play was at TOTW (unless Rod or Dave played it anywhere? but I've never heard anybody say that) btw it's the first record I use when somebody who doesn't know what Northern is, asks to hear the sound of N/S. It was a 21st party at The Top of the World in Derby according to Guy, played it three times in a row. Then later at Stafford.
Steve L Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Hi John i remember being in Guys house with Graham Anthony and him saying im sure the producers had a vision of what Wigan would be like 10 years later when they made this. Strangley or not it took ages for the oldies crowd to latch on to it Have they latched on to it Ted? Wouldnt have thought it would get much reaction at oldies nights round here Referring to John Pugh's comment, am I the only one who doesnt like this record? Its another Lady In green for me 1
Ted Massey Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Have they latched on to it Ted? Wouldnt have thought it would get much reaction at oldies nights round here Referring to John Pugh's comment, am I the only one who doesnt like this record? Its another Lady In green for me Steve i thought you had taste mate
Guest Bearsy Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Steve i thought you had taste mate im with Steve never did it for me but i do like Lady in green plenty of these about now or is it rarer than i think ??
kevinsoulman Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 always thought it emerged from ian levines barn where ian dumped his stuff when he dropped out of the scene, seem to remember hearing the story on maconies radio 2 show. kev
Tony Smith Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 always thought it emerged from ian levines barn where ian dumped his stuff when he dropped out of the scene, seem to remember hearing the story on maconies radio 2 show. kev Absolutely certain that is not the case.
Robbk Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) When was it first a) discovered, b) played; presumably by Guy at Stafford. It was "discovered" by me in 1967, along with the Terri Goodnight 45 also on Phelectron records, at Pat's Records in South-Central Los Angeles (Corner of Vernon Ave. & San Pedro Place) in a 50 cent sale. The pair cost me one Dollar. I traded both to Rod Shard for a bunch of rare Detroit Records (he gathered over a few years) -we consumated the trade in the early-mid 1980s. 1984 sounds about right. He started playing it immediately. I traded him a fair amount of '60s NS records starting the late '70s through the 1980s. Several of the records he "broke" came from me. I had looked through millions of 45s, and don't remember ever seeing another Phelectron record, either before or after. Does anyone know who owned Phelectron Records? Edited July 29, 2011 by RobbK 1
Ady Croasdell Posted July 27, 2011 Author Posted July 27, 2011 Great Robb, that gives the record a full chain of title
Guest uroffal Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 1985/86? Alright mate? Reckon it was '84, was certainly played first when I was attending Stafford regularly, which would have been late '83 (as already stated wasn't in Guy's early Stafford sets) to mid '85, then took a break (returning to find Stafford had closed).
Robbk Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Alright mate? Reckon it was '84, was certainly played first when I was attending Stafford regularly, which would have been late '83 (as already stated wasn't in Guy's early Stafford sets) to mid '85, then took a break (returning to find Stafford had closed). I just wrote 1984 because that was the first year Ady listed. It was some time in the early '80s. It could have been 1983, or even 1982 that Rod got it from me. Edited July 27, 2011 by RobbK
Dave Abbott Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 , am I the only one who doesnt like this record? Its another Lady In green for me nope; both do nothing for me...can't see the attraction to either (apart fron rarity)
boba Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) I had looked through millions of 45s, and don't remember ever seeing another Phelectron record, either before or after. Does anyone know who owned Phelectron Records? Kev Roberts told me that Johnnie Cochran (yes, the OJ Simpson Johnny Cochran) was Jackie Day's boyfriend and he owned the label. Edited July 29, 2011 by boba
Cobbles Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) here's a page i found on web.... https://www.electrice...ckie/index.html she was a good looking lady !!!! franc Edited July 29, 2011 by cobbles
Guest Bearsy Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 here's a a nice page i found on web.... https://www.electrice...ckie/index.html Nice one
Harry Crosby Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 here's a page i found on web.... https://www.electrice...ckie/index.html she was good looking lady though !!!! franc Nice one good read
Mrtag Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 here's a page i found on web.... https://www.electrice...ckie/index.html she was good looking lady !!!! franc Excellent read great pictures!!
Chalky Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Who is or was Soul Spin records? You'd think the site would at least use a scan of the original issue
Harrogatesoul Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) I had looked through millions of 45s, and don't remember ever seeing another Phelectron record, either before or after. Does anyone know who owned Phelectron Records? Not forgetting the handful(?) of copies that surfaced on ebay from the same seller a couple of years now was it? I think they came from L.A dealer and from (memory) a closed store. Was this the same store / source as the 'West Coast' find JM & others were involved in? Edited July 29, 2011 by harrogatesoul
Dave Pinch Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 were they not also copies in that L.A find. always seems to be a record that crops up pretty regularly and certainly gotta be one of the commonist four figure records..its a good record tho .....................now terri goodnight that is rare only thing is... its a f**kin terrible record dave
Guest Preems Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Not forgetting the handful(?) of copies that surfaced on ebay from the same seller a couple of years now was it? I think they came from L.A dealer and from (memory) a closed store. Was this the same store / source as the 'West Coast' find JM & others were involved in? Maybe you are referring to the ones from Ray Dobard's estate, the owner of Music City records, an Oakland label / distributor?
Mrtag Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) Maybe you are referring to the ones from Ray Dobard's estate, the owner of Music City records, an Oakland label / distributor? Makes sense as the find a few years ago was in Oakland and after the intial sales and a few panic sellers supply seems to have dried up again. Edited July 29, 2011 by mrtag
Harrogatesoul Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Must be. Just seen this quote on SoulfulDetroit site. Exaggeration? Tongue in Cheek? Who knows. As Mr Tag states.all copies seem to have gone now anyway. 'Richard Searling announced this on his radio show and mentioned that enough copies of Jackie Day's 'Naughty Boy' were found to wedge his studio door open'
purist Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 There's 14 on Popsike, assuming they're all different copies, not exactly a wedge I'd have thought?
Philt Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 That nice Mr Cunliffe now has my old one as I recall and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it got an outing at Radcliffe tomorrow. (Still love it but, if memory serves, it had to go in part-ex unfortunately).
KevH Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Have they latched on to it Ted? Wouldnt have thought it would get much reaction at oldies nights round here Referring to John Pugh's comment, am I the only one who doesnt like this record? Its another Lady In green for me You're half right Steve,Magnetics is the biz...whereas Naughty Boy is just plain naughty.Good for wedging doors open with.
Mrtag Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 That nice Mr Cunliffe now has my old one as I recall and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it got an outing at Radcliffe tomorrow. (Still love it but, if memory serves, it had to go in part-ex unfortunately). Thats the problem Phil once that nice Mr. Cunliffe makes his mind up whats going in swops Dynamite would shift him!!
Marc Forrest Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 ..yes, was part of the west coast find amongst all those Troy Dodds/El Camino and Cautions/Shrine 45s (amongst opthers ..just to name some of the more prominent ones). Still like the record (Jackie Daye) a lot but was personally always surprised how it maintained its high price / value bearing in mind the many copies that were found and since then sold.
Anoraks Corner Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Well, I've always had a soft spot for Jackie Day on Phelectron..if anyone fancies trading me a copy I will offer up some nice titles, I'm sure.
Iancsloft Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 At the Stafford Reunion last year Keb played it out and said on the mic that this was the biggest sound from Stafford when he put it on the floor was crammed and was given a mighty fine applause when it ended Regarding copies turning up im sure John M will come and fill you all in with the copies he recieved ect at the time some fellow dealer put around a tall tale of 100,s of copies turning up which proved to be utter fantasy and misleading............. Regarding the Naughty Boy i think it is one of the great northern female 45,s of all time with a sax break to die for always gets the dancefloor moving
Dave Pinch Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 There's 14 on Popsike, assuming they're all different copies, not exactly a wedge I'd have thought? thats only individual copies coming over ,mainly from the states..none are the copies from the finds dealers have had.......also popsike only shows up a percentage, not all copies dave
Chalky Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 There's 14 on Popsike, assuming they're all different copies, not exactly a wedge I'd have thought? There was rumours at the time that at least 25 had turned up in the haul but sure those involved said the the count was in single figures. Few turned up since as well. It might not be the most quality laden recording ever made but it is fantastic Northern Soul, what the scene is all about!
Marc Forrest Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 There was rumours at the time that at least 25 had turned up in the haul but sure those involved said the the count was in single figures. Few turned up since as well. It might not be the most quality laden recording ever made but it is fantastic Northern Soul, what the scene is all about! Definitely more then 25...
Pete S Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Have they latched on to it Ted? Wouldnt have thought it would get much reaction at oldies nights round here Referring to John Pugh's comment, am I the only one who doesnt like this record? Its another Lady In green for me I don't like it much either, always sounds unfinished to me
bri pinch Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 agree pete, always thought this was a mess of a record, never a fave of mine, tho i can see it's appeal to the masses, so to recap then , probably 50 or so copies have turned up in the last half dozen years or so, yeah...
Modernsoulsucks Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Guy tells the story at https://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/guyhenigan.htm If I've read that before I'd forgotten but I do recognise Guy's description of that particular time with the emphasis on 70's and 80's and surprisingly [considering what you read on here] not that much interest in the 60's stuff outside a pretty small circle of fanatics. I remember when Dave and I were dj-ing we could play Limelights, Monique, Young Brothers, Phoenetics etc to not that full a dance floor and then some knobend would come up and ask for King Tutt. Luckily we had that as our "get out of jail free" card. It was that palpable disinterest that caused us to jack it in. As for the Jackie Day I thought it sounded like a Mirwood 45 so Im sure I covered it as Belles or similar but I didn't want to sell it after getting it off Bob so I [OVO-ers look away now] cut Guy an acetate [maybe with CODs or Combinations on other side]. Don't remember a party in Derby but I took it along to Stafford covered up and gave it Guy to play on the night and when I got it back it was uncovered, not that I minded. I let him have the Terri Goodnight as I thought it was rather poppy and at some stage I ended up with Larry Wright. He also took that Little Charles "Talking about you baby" which was new to me then and obviously Guy too. Credit to Bob [RobbK] for turning it up in the first place and Im surprised he splashed out 50 cents on it as he always told me he stopped buying 45s when they went up to over 25 cents. I did a C90 tape at his place back in I think '81 with some things I didn't know at the time and I reckon all have gone on to be classic in-demand records and even newies if that term can be applied to USA Intensions or Martiniques. ROD
Guest Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 Jackie day's in the Oakland there was maybe 11 I got 6 of them 3 as my deal and 3 more from one of the partners which I paid 6000 for the three So it was kinda annoying for certain people to stir rumours using radio DJs that there was 300 found...I don't have single copy now I sold the one out of my collection recently...I think the price will now go up. Especially the mint ones from that load...kind a funny really all these rumours. I think one was theYoung Brothers we had a box full, there wasn't even a single copy there. Unless there's one in the 100 mailers I still have to open...I open one occasionally for a cheap thrill but often disappointed with a cheap 45 in a SHOUT mailer dated 1967 mailed inNew York ....all good fun and in the end all the rumoursnnever made one record significantly fall in value...
Robbk Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) I As for the Jackie Day I thought it sounded like a Mirwood 45 so Im sure I covered it as Belles or similar but I didn't want to sell it after getting it off Bob so I [OVO-ers look away now] cut Guy an acetate [maybe with CODs or Combinations on other side]. Don't remember a party in Derby but I took it along to Stafford covered up and gave it Guy to play on the night and when I got it back it was uncovered, not that I minded. I let him have the Terri Goodnight as I thought it was rather poppy and at some stage I ended up with Larry Wright. He also took that Little Charles "Talking about you baby" which was new to me then and obviously Guy too. Credit to Bob [RobbK] for turning it up in the first place and Im surprised he splashed out 50 cents on it as he always told me he stopped buying 45s when they went up to over 25 cents. I did a C90 tape at his place back in I think '81 with some things I didn't know at the time and I reckon all have gone on to be classic in-demand records and even newies if that term can be applied to USA Intensions or Martiniques. ROD Nice to see you're on here, Rod. Bit of an exaggeration, though, eh? I was up to even $1.00 for the right record by 1967! Edited July 29, 2011 by chalky
Shsdave Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 For a supposedly very popular record surprised that quite a few on here don't rate it..................thought I was the only one
Guest audiavant Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 always going to be a few who don`t like any tune you care to mention-nowt rare about that.
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