The Biggest Insult On Here

[barney]

Corr....................one's very own Coronation class loco.....................

yes ,clocked this at york rail museum the other sunday

[SHEFFSOUL]

.had three once upon a time..all 1944 WILLYS..all long gone..you can still pick em up..thru MV clubs..

[boba]

Suppose the difference is if you are serious about record collecting, no big deal you either want the real thing or you don't, funny how the pressing buyers seem to assume the collectors of originals are bores....

Brett...

awesome, you just used "pressing buyers" as an insult in this thread.

[boba]

He would probably be consider it a mild mental disorder, perfectly curable by adding meat to one's diet..

https://www.urbandict...-ovo-vegetarian

I actually am a lacto-ovo vegetarian (just "vegetarian" for short).

[barney]

wrt the above post

collectors obviously want the real deal,

the question is,, do dj,s have to have the real thing

and do the majority of punters give a rats arse,

my opinion is ,as a punter I aint gunna lose no sleep , its the music that matters

[SOULCENTRAL]

I once played a set off some tatty old cds at soul in the sun and they clapped ,

It made me feel suicidal and couldnt live with myself ,

but r angie talked me round , she said your no dj, but you know your music,anyway she said she didnt want me to turn into a superstar dj playin monster awsome sounds like they do now

HEY BARNEY,

They were not clapping the fact you played off cd's as that was the norm for SIS,

They clapped becuase they appreciated your taste/choice of music which is definatley a first for you :lol: .

Take care pal and keep eating the pies!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Regards ROY

[boba]

wrt the above post

collectors obviously want the real deal,

the question is,, do dj,s have to have the real thing

and do the majority of punters give a rats arse,

my opinion is ,as a punter I aint gunna lose no sleep , its the music that matters

I'm an obsessive collector that only collects original vinyl. I'm just self-aware enough to realize that it's kind of a silly point to argue about.

[Guest Brett F]

I'm an obsessive collector that only collects original vinyl. I'm just self-aware enough to realize that it's kind of a silly point to argue about.

Come off it Bob, it's kept this very forum alive for years, we all like to rattle the sabre, i think it's brilliant sport, i would never get angry about it, but i sure as hell love the banter on a night out....we are males...things like this matter.............we have a small part of the brain that accommodates such nonsense.

[boba]

Come off it Bob, it's kept this very forum alive for years, we all like to rattle the sabre, i think it's brilliant sport, i would never get angry about it, but i sure as hell love the banter on a night out....we are males...things like this matter.............we have a small part of the brain that accommodates such nonsense.

Arguing about "OVO" is already sort of silly, but using it as a horrible insult is next level and pretty funny. Also, I think that nonsense fills much more than a "small part" of my brain, all I think about is records.

I think part of the reason I don't care that much about "pressings" is that I don't care much about the records that have been bootlegged. The vast majority of records I play or would want to hear weren't bootlegged anyways (or at least, not bootlegged onto vinyl).

[Philt]

I'm an obsessive collector that only collects original vinyl. I'm just self-aware enough to realize that it's kind of a silly point to argue about.

Oh to have so many arrows in one's quiver. Perhaps it's just another of those UK scene things and, therefore,difficult to understand? There are people over here who don't get it after all. So,... ... there is an enormous difference between what you collect and what you play out. Still, I'm not gonna argue about it, that would be silly

[barney]

I'm an obsessive collector that only collects original vinyl. I'm just self-aware enough to realize that it's kind of a silly point to argue about.

as said

a collector collects and desires the real thing , and dare I say regardless of the merits of the music in some instances.

a dj to be succesfull has to play the right music to the right punters

and most puinters ( will say the majority of whom dont come on here) just want to listen and dance to whatever genre of the music they like

3 differing positions , you can be all three or any other combination

think the people who matter most are the punters who lays down their hard earned to be entertained

of which I am one,

everything else is subjective and I dont subscribe to the mantra of OVO thats just a ploy by some to keep up the prices and to discourage people from dj,in

[Philt]

as said

a collector collects and desires the real thing , and dare I say regardless of the merits of the music in some instances.

a dj to be succesfull has to play the right music to the right punters

and most puinters ( will say the majority of whom dont come on here) just want to listen and dance to whatever genre of the music they like

3 differing positions , you can be all three or any other combination

think the people who matter most are the punters who lays down their hard earned to be entertained

of which I am one,

everything else is subjective and I dont subscribe to the mantra of OVO thats just a ploy by some to keep up the prices and to discourage people from dj,in

That's precisely the point isn't it Barney ... ... proper djs (which I have never and would never claim to be btw) invest vast amounts of time and money in building their knowledge and collections over years and years, making major sacrifices in order to do so in most cases. That's precisely why they and some punters get p*ssed off with chancers and two-second billy's, why they are credible as djs, why people pay em to play em and why people pay to hear em. As a youth I used to hitch all over the country to hear certain djs play certain records cos that was the only way you could hear em. All too easy now for anyone to have a punt at it IMHO. If anyone can convince me that the scene is better for that in any single respect then

atb

Phil

[Swifty]

Worst thing? Hmm pretty grim, though I had one levelled at me recently that I think tops that ....

Now I bet that Bugger hurt !

[barney]

That's precisely the point isn't it Barney ... ... proper djs (which I have never and would never claim to be btw) invest vast amounts of time and money in building their knowledge and collections over years and years, making major sacrifices in order to do so in most cases. That's precisely why they and some punters get p*ssed off with chancers and two-second billy's, why they are credible as djs, why people pay em to play em and why people pay to hear em. As a youth I used to hitch all over the country to hear certain djs play certain records cos that was the only way you could hear em. All too easy now for anyone to have a punt at it IMHO. If anyone can convince me that the scene is better for that in any single respect then

atb

Phil

cant disagree with anything you said phil but we cant turn back the clock

and back in the day thats what you had to do to hear the sounds,

but then the dj,s were round our age or not much older, what chance has any young aspiring dj

on another thread it argues that you need a 5 figure sum of records in your box to be a dj

[Philt]

cant disagree with anything you said phil but we cant turn back the clock

and back in the day thats what you had to do to hear the sounds,

but then the dj,s were round our age or not much older, what chance has any young aspiring dj

on another thread it argues that you need a 5 figure sum of records in your box to be a dj

I know mate, no easy answers. Gave up a long time and two collections ago looking for em to be honest and/or taking it all too seriously. Just gotta be yourself, be true to yourself and get enough out of it to make it all worthwhile I reckon

atb

[Guest Brett F]

To me it's a simple philosophy those that buy original records and those that don't, the thing where the waters get muddy is when venues promotes nights but don't seem to want to put in capital letters that the records being played may not be originals but bootlegs, re- issues etc....Why not ?...........If a lot of views on here are to be believed (ie.. i don't care what it's on etc..it's the music that counts )

Then what has any venue that adopts bootlegs, re-issues etc to lose............is it credibility ?................I sure as hell don't know....But i've had a look in the events section on this very forum...and it appears that some like to tell all that their night is original vinyl records, and others don't choose to tell. I prefer original only venues, my choice and i could care less what anybody else likes, their prerogative but it ain't gonna' make a blind bit of difference to me..

Edited July 19, 2011 by Brett F

[NEV]

I cringe when I hear people say 'OVO', don't ask me why, It seems to be a very popular phrase with those who take it all a little bit to seriously...yaaaaawwwwwnnnn.

Ste.

Ste...is that because every time you hear it...it reminds you of that time you played a boot of Lou Pride in Manchester.lol

What i would like to know tho ..when you did it and got caught ,were you ashamed ,did you make any excuses or did you stand proud and shout it loud?

Remember "honesty is always the best policy"

[Marc Forrest]

In truth, I agree, it is frustrating not been able to afford everything we would like, but this is the reality of collecting rare records, some are very expensive, ive learned to be happy with my lot. Atb Brett

Top post Brett ! Explains and says it all. Some are jut not able/dont like to accept that and for that reason go down the bootleg road. There are also loads of tourists who buy fake rolex and "bozz" suits in turkey every year ....

[Guest Gavin Page]

Well Said That Twat ! @ Brett

Edited July 19, 2011 by Gavin Page

[Guest JIM BARRY]

HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD GO TO THE LOWRY ART GALLERY IF THEY WERE DISPLAYING LIMITED EDITION POSTERS....AND HOW MANY WOULD VISIT THE LOUVRE IF THE MONA LISA WAS A FAKE??????...

[Mak]

Top post Brett ! Explains and says it all. Some are jut not able/dont like to accept that and for that reason go down the bootleg road. There are also loads of tourists who buy fake rolex and "bozz" suits in turkey every year ....

Quite right Marc and Brett.

What I can't get into my thick head is why a DJ(and I say that very loosely) will play a set of 'Boots' and pay maybe £100 for them , when they can spent the same amount and be able to play a blinding set of Northern on 'OVO'. I for one would rather play a £2/3 record than a boot

[Marc Forrest]

Quite right Marc and Brett.

What I can't get into my thick head is why a DJ(and I say that very loosely) will play a set of 'Boots' and pay maybe £100 for them , when they can spent the same amount and be able to play a blinding set of Northern on 'OVO'. I for one would rather play a £2/3 record than a boot

..for "them" it would miss the rolex factor

[KevH]

Hey guys,dont bother going to The Louvre in Paris to see the Mona Lisa !!!!.Save yourself some money.

I've got a print from Partners on the wall. You too can have one.Just £4.99.

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Hey guys,dont bother going to The Louvre in Paris to see the Mona Lisa !!!!.Save yourself some money.

I've got a print from Partners on the wall. You too can have one.Just £4.99.

whats on the other side????

[Mak]

Well Said That Twat ! @ Brett

[Len]

The oldest post I could find mentioning "OVO" dates back to january 2005....

B*gger, B*gger, B*gger! - That's my evening gone! - I've just skimmed through all my old posts to find the post that proves 'Our Winston' coined the phrase 'O.V.O' ...I wouldn't recommend doing it though as it was, at times 'Cringworthy' - God, did I really write that? etc (A bit like listening to your own voice on tape when you were a kid!)

Anyway I must of blo*dy missed it! I know it was a thread (One of the originals!) about Original vinyl only, people were stating it so often so 'Our Winston' stated it then said "O.V.O for short" I actually wrote something like, "O.V.O', like it Winston I recon that might catch on" Or something like that...

...Anyway, the search is still on, If anyone else finds the said thread, there's a £1.00 reward!

All the best,

Len.

P.s - Hello Gavin!

[Benji]

B*gger, B*gger, B*gger! - That's my evening gone! - I've just skimmed through all my old posts to find the post that proves 'Our Winston' coined the phrase 'O.V.O' ...I wouldn't recommend doing it though as it was, at times 'Cringworthy' - God, did I really write that? etc (A bit like listening to your own voice on tape when you were a kid!)

Anyway I must of blo*dy missed it! I know it was a thread (One of the originals!) about Original vinyl only, people were stating it so often so 'Our Winston' stated it then said "O.V.O for short" I actually wrote something like, "O.V.O', like it Winston I recon that might catch on" Or something like that...

...Anyway, the search is still on, If anyone else finds the said thread, there's a £1.00 reward!

All the best,

Len.

P.s - Hello Gavin!

Len, note my spelling it's just the oldest post with "OVO" that dates jan 2005. Respective thread is actually about a flyer stating "OVO" and Mike asking what "OVO" stands for.

[boba]

Well Said That Twat ! @ Brett

I can't tell if you're calling me a twat, but if you are, YOUR MOM DJS WITH PRESSINGS

[Philt]

I can't tell if you're calling me a twat, but if you are, YOUR MOM DJS WITH PRESSINGS

:lol:

[Chris L]

I onced DJ-d a big(ish) venue and the policy was no pressings "as it would not be fair on the other DJs"...............fair enough.

[Dave Moore]

I can't tell if you're calling me a twat, but if you are, YOUR MOM DJS WITH PRESSINGS

:D

Regards,

Dave

[charliew]

Ok we all have valued and justified opinions & each to his own but theres only really 1 thing of any importance here really.

your djing at a venue with say 6 other dj,s and your dying on your feet as the crowds just not responding so you dig in the box and pull the pressing of Eddie Parker i,m gone throw it on the decks, the floors rammed packed and its your last record the guy on next happens to have the original and its pulled up ready to play as his opening tune ! he gently nudges you you and says i was going to open with the original of that which took me 25 years to own and i eat beans on toast for a month to buy it

so do you think, big deal i got the crowd going or do you think oops i should never have played that its not fair ? the guys spent a lifetime and sacrificed loads to biuld his collection, it matters not what anybody else thinks really its what you think as an individual, theres is no right or wrong theres just an opinion All i would add is that if you want to play pressings be prepared to be attacked or ridiculed from those that used blood sweat and tears to put an original collection together.............

[Winnie :-)]

Ok we all have valued and justified opinions & each to his own but theres only really 1 thing of any importance here really.

your djing at a venue with say 6 other dj,s and your dying on your feet as the crowds just not responding so you dig in the box and pull the pressing of Eddie Parker i,m gone throw it on the decks, the floors rammed packed and its your last record the guy on next happens to have the original and its pulled up ready to play as his opening tune ! he gently nudges you you and says i was going to open with the original of that which took me 25 years to own and i eat beans on toast for a month to buy it

so do you think, big deal i got the crowd going or do you think oops i should never have played that its not fair ? the guys spent a lifetime and sacrificed loads to biuld his collection, it matters not what anybody else thinks really its what you think as an individual, theres is no right or wrong theres just an opinion All i would add is that if you want to play pressings be prepared to be attacked or ridiculed from those that used blood sweat and tears to put an original collection together.............

Ok in the interest of debate, on what grounds?? If you've never owned, played, danced, been in a room where they have been played, I can see you might have some justification, but if you've done any of the previous highlighted it would seem a little hypocritical. Most people eventually come to the conclusion they want to own originals etc, but that's over a period of time, if you think ridiculing or attacking someone is the only way to get your point of view across, you're living in another era, the cane has been outlawed.

Winnie .

[charliew]

Ok in the interest of debate, on what grounds?? If you've never owned, played, danced, been in a room where they have been played, I can see you might have some justification, but if you've done any of the previous highlighted it would seem a little hypocritical. Most people eventually come to the conclusion they want to own originals etc, but that's over a period of time, if you think ridiculing or attacking someone is the only way to get your point of view across, you're living in another era, the cane has been outlawed.

Winnie .

I dont think i explained what i was trying to say correctly or maybe i have and youve got the wrong end of the cane lol..... i wasnt having a pop at anybody bying tunes in whatever format, what i was asking was is it ok to play them out at a venue,

i think in this day and age it doesnt matter quite so much about format but like i say play a fiver pressing in the same hall as the guy with a 5,000 original, and he,s gonna be a bit peeved

[Winnie :-)]

I dont think i explained what i was trying to say correctly or maybe i have and youve got the wrong end of the cane lol..... i wasnt having a pop at anybody bying tunes in whatever format, what i was asking was is it ok to play them out at a venue,

i think in this day and age it doesnt matter quite so much about format but like i say play a fiver pressing in the same hall as the guy with a 5,000 original, and he,s gonna be a bit peeved

In an ideal world, I think you're right, the original being played would be the preferable choice, but the type of event would have to be taken into consideration. There are generally speaking a couple of ways of looking at the northern scene, There is the taking it as a whole, or alternatively the scene within a scene, both options require different elements to make them successful. If you take the first option, a large percentage aren't overly worried about format or authenticity, their main priority is to dance and socialise, to walk to the decks to check a records 'real' just isn't going to happen. The second option takes a more purist point of view, they still want to dance, but want to be assured in effect that they're not cheating their principles, I would say they also have more of a fascination with the records history, so an original is a thing of beauty and to be revered. Maybe in the second example the attendee could be considered more collector and historian than dancer, note I've said maybe Now if you're at a local soul night, type 2 C&H, probably won't be there in abundance, so type 1 D&S (dancer and socialiser) holds sway. So at the local soul nights, the playing of pressings, wouldn't be as big a deal. Now say you've got a guest at this local night, and for argument's sake we'll say Kenny Burrell, I know Kenny's not really part of the scene, but I have a point I'll eventually get to regarding his set If you're promoting a local soul night and you've booked Kenny, there is/was a reason, presumably said promoter has an idea of what Kenny might play, so would speak to the local lads and ask them not to play a pressing of something Kenny might have with him. So all's gone swimmingly, the local DJ's have avoided the playing of Do I love you, so now the punters are waiting for Kenny. Now to this other point, is Kenny now duty bound to play 'Do I love you', 'We can make it' his alternative take of 'world of happiness', 'man o man' etc. Has his choice now been taken away from him for the benefit of the punters. The point I'm making here, and I'm not advocating playing pressings, but when Kenny was guesting somewhere most weeks, the expectancy levels that he'd play his 'big' records was through the roof, whilst intitially the adulation that accompanies that would be intoxicating, would it not eventually get boring? If one of the local DJs had played Walter, then Kenny's choice to play something different would have improved. If Kenny was at a more purist orientated soul night/nighter, the emphasis wouldn't necessarily be on his 'big' records, but would they still be welcomed if he did play them, but more importantly would the purist want to hear them, or is it more important to keep moving forward, and put these bigger records to one side to be played now, only to the D&S? I'm not asking this specifically of you Charlie, it's just a discussion point on a wet wednesday afternoon

Winnie

[charliew]

I'm not asking this specifically of you Charlie, it's just a discussion point on a wet wednesday afternoon

gr8 post common sence and courtesy is all thats required ,i think you put that senario brilliantly and hit the nail on the head. I dont know whats wrong with me lately i should know much better than to openly post opinions on forums lol ..... anyway its nice to see that an opinion can be debated without being personal or ramming it down somebodys throat, good post Winnie

[Guest MrC]

There's a very fine line between "Hobby" and "Mental Illness"

[Winnie :-)]

I'm not asking this specifically of you Charlie, it's just a discussion point on a wet wednesday afternoon

gr8 post common sence and courtesy is all thats required ,i think you put that senario brilliantly and hit the nail on the head. I dont know whats wrong with me lately i should know much better than to openly post opinions on forums lol ..... anyway its nice to see that an opinion can be debated without being personal or ramming it down somebodys throat, good post Winnie

We should all post openly and without fear on any or all of the forums, no one opinion is more important than anyone elses, as you quite rightly point out ramming things down people's throats usually has a reverse affect. Multiple thousands of posters on SS, hopefully they all feel they can post without fear of being judged

[KevH]

Not sure if i've got the gist of your post Winnie.Are you saying if the local dj played W&Admerations on a boot before "Kenny",it improves his choice by the fact he won't now play it?

[Winnie :-)]

Not sure if i've got the gist of your post Winnie.Are you saying if the local dj played W&Admerations on a boot before "Kenny",it improves his choice by the fact he won't now play it?

What I was saying was he wouldn't be duty bound to play it, whereas if it hadn't been played, then he may have felt obliged, despite really wanting to play something else. It's all hypothetical Kev, Kenny guested quite a lot round my way at local nights, and you could see people waiting to pay homage to 'Do I love you', but I never thought it was particularly to the record itself, more to the fact that everyone knows this is rare and that Kenny had the original. The question I was posing was did the venue/location limit what Kenny could play, so yes if someone plays it off a boot, even though he might be annoyed, does it open up his options to play something different. I realise there is a very simple answer, but then there's no discussion, and as the test match doesn't start till tomorrow...........

[Ian Dewhirst]

At the risk of continuing a debate that raging elsewhere vis a vis money required, how much money would you need to invest in a decent box of OVO oldies these days? £5K? £10K?

What I'm getting at, is any oldies venue with an OVO policy is effectively saying that whoever DJ's there will have to have invested x amount in their OVO box which surely implies that anyone who can't afford to buy originals for one reason or another (muliple divorces, redundancy, gold digging wife, new kitchen, business gone bust, university fees for kids etc, etc) is automatically disqualified. Which would obviously favour the richer DJ's rather than the downtrodden DJ who's down on his or her luck.

So surely ownership of a decent OVO collection is more a question of who has the luxury of being able to keep £10-20K worth of vinyl through thick and thin right?

Or is it question of most vinyl head cases would happily live in a shed rather than lose their collection?

Ian D

[NEV]

At the risk of continuing a debate that raging elsewhere vis a vis money required, how much money would you need to invest in a decent box of OVO oldies these days? £5K? £10K?

What I'm getting at, is any oldies venue with an OVO policy is effectively saying that whoever DJ's there will have to have invested x amount in their OVO box which surely implies that anyone who can't afford to buy originals for one reason or another (muliple divorces, redundancy, gold digging wife, new kitchen, business gone bust, university fees for kids etc, etc) is automatically disqualified. Which would obviously favour the richer DJ's rather than the downtrodden DJ who's down on his or her luck.

So surely ownership of a decent OVO collection is more a question of who has the luxury of being able to keep £10-20K worth of vinyl through thick and thin right?

Or is it question of most vinyl head cases would happily live in a shed rather than lose their collection?

Ian D

Its a hard life Ian ...

im sure there are thousands of people in the world who have ambitions to be the next world champ Tennis player..racing driver etc but can't afford the fees to take lessons ..life's just not fair

But let's not go there eh..... if the policy of O.V.O stops every Tom ,Dick and Harry from becoming another "NORTHERN SOUL" dj in a world already saturated with olides dj's then i for one am all for it!

On the other hand ..there are plenty of people with hardly any disposable income ,who have great little collections of original soul that arent all big classic olides.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Its a hard life Ian ...

im sure there are thousands of people in the world who have ambitions to be the next world champ Tennis player..racing driver etc but can't afford the fees to take lessons ..life's just not fair

But let's not go there eh..... if the policy of O.V.O stops every Tom ,Dick and Harry from becoming another "NORTHERN SOUL" dj in a world

already saturated with olides dj's then i for one am all for it!

On the other hand ..there are plenty of people with hardly any disposable income ,who have great little collections of original soul that arent all big classic olides.

Yep. I guess so.

Ian D

[Steve G]

At the risk of continuing a debate that raging elsewhere vis a vis money required, how much money would you need to invest in a decent box of OVO oldies these days? £5K? £10K?

Ian D

zzzzzz.....Oh no not the money debate again, we've just had 11 pages of that Ian...... :sleep3: Move along now please

On the point about someone queing up Eddie Parker on a boot, if I was planning to play such a record I'd tell em to play something else as am going to play the original. If they didn't take it off, I'd play the original straight after the boot and announce it as such.....so the public would get to dance to it twice back to back, and the DJ would be "outed" for the undeniable rogue that he is.... Probably preferrable action to taking it off the decks and throwing it into the audience as I hear happens from time to time

[Modernsoulsucks]

That was a joke,right Steve?

I always had you down as one of the rational,reasonable fanatics.

ROD

[KevH]

What I was saying was he wouldn't be duty bound to play it, whereas if it hadn't been played, then he may have felt obliged, despite really wanting to play something else. It's all hypothetical Kev, Kenny guested quite a lot round my way at local nights, and you could see people waiting to pay homage to 'Do I love you', but I never thought it was particularly to the record itself, more to the fact that everyone knows this is rare and that Kenny had the original. The question I was posing was did the venue/location limit what Kenny could play, so yes if someone plays it off a boot, even though he might be annoyed, does it open up his options to play something different. I realise there is a very simple answer, but then there's no discussion, and as the test match doesn't start till tomorrow...........

To be honest,the very fact he owned DILY,put pressure on him to play it and cost him quite a bit as well.The same could apply to any dj with truly rare pieces.They buy em for big bucks,but run the risk of someone playing them on a pressing/second issue/boot in a spot before them.Shouldn't really happen.

Wouldn't like to think someone would stick Salt and Pepper on the decks on Kent,as Butch is sorting his spot out.

[Supercorsa]

Wouldn't like to think someone would stick Salt and Pepper on the decks on Kent,as Butch is sorting his spot out.

But isn't the Kent release a genuine first UK issue? Or are you saying Uk first issues aren't to be played out?

[NEV]

JEEZ ....can we please now drop this topic ..it has run its course.

No wonder Butch is thinking of calling it a day .zzzzzz

[Winnie :-)]

JEEZ ....can we please now drop this topic ..it has run its course.

No wonder Butch is thinking of calling it a day .zzzzzz

I don't get that, why's it run it's course, you may have no interest in it, but its like the tele surely, you just switch channels, why stifle debate?

Winnie

[boba]

JEEZ ....can we please now drop this topic ..it has run its course.

No wonder Butch is thinking of calling it a day .zzzzzz

The purpose of my post was not to start a debate. People need to stop taking themselves so seriously. I collect "original vinyl" but I realize it's not a life or death thing.