Trev Thomas Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 jimmy burns - i really love you - erica bobby james - i really love you - karol brand new faces - brand new faces - cant remember label also...the mystics - i really love you - teako...same song as bobby james / jimmy burns, diferent backing shirelles - last minute miracle - scepter linda jones - last minute miracle - loma ruby winters - last minute miracle - unissued diamond trade martin - she put the hurt on me - stallion shirelles - you could be my remedy - unissued scepter kim weston - i'll never see my love again - gordy kim weston - do like i do - u.k tamla motown dave love - baby hard times - worlds scientists of soul - be'e that way sometimes - kashe mark v unlimited - gone - sagport eight minutes - i cant get no higher - perception plus one other that i cant rember steve mancha - friday night / monday through thursday - groovesville jackey beavers - a love that never grows old - revilot marvellows - why do you want to hurt the one who loves you - loma ambassadors - if i'm all you've got, i'm all you'll need - arctic kenny carlton - wait till i get you in my arms - blue rock major lance - wait till i get you in my arms - okeh 1
kim Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) oc tolbert you got me turned around toby lark sweep it out of the shed little ann sweep it out of the shed kim Edited July 20, 2011 by kim
Trev Thomas Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) lorraine chandler - tell me you're mine - giant / rca four sonics - tell me you're mine - sepia joan duvall - let me go - sport abstract reality - love burns like fire - sport Edited July 20, 2011 by soulman1964
Rotherham Soul Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 The Temptations - I Gotta Find A Way (To Get You Back) Jimmy Ruffin - He Who Picks A Rose
De-to Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 "hurting",eric and the vikings and jimmy soul clark,"sweet darling",
Rotherham Soul Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Nella Dodds - Come See About Me The Supremes - Come See About Me
Supercorsa Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Laura Lee - To Win Your Heart - Ric Tic San Remo Strings - Festival Time - Ric Tic San Remo Strings - Hungry For Love - Ric Tic Tony Michaels - I Live The Life I Love - Golden World Ede Robin - There Must Be A Love Somewhere - Le Cam Sons Of Moses - Soul Symphony - Coral Young Holt Unlimited - Soulful Strut - Brunswick Barbara Acklin - Am I The Same Girl - Brunswick
Guest Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Garland Davis - Don't Worry About Dancing For Me - kick off Carl Underwood - Ain't you lying - merging
De-to Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 "get it baby",stanley mitchell, "down in the dumps",tony hestor, and er someone else,???
De-to Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 tommy neil,"going to a happening", tony hestor,"spaceland"...
De-to Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 the ideals,"mighty lover", detroit executives,"cool off"...
Jaco Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Rodd Keith - "Gloria" Rodd Keith - "Like the Lord said" Can't think of another example of the same backing track for a different song by the same artist.
Robbk Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 "In The Neighborhood" -Jimmy Ruffin "On The Avenue"-Jimmy Ruffin There were a LOT more Motown and Detroit tracks used on 2 or more recordings. As far as the Connections between Chicago's Maurci Records and Detroit's Topper Records I can only guess. The tracks for "Challenge My Love were DEFINITELY laid down by Dave Hamilton and his people in Detroit. I believe that Maurci Records was Gene Chandler's and SimTec Simmon's label. They had Sonny Sanders as one of their arrangers and McKinley Jackson as producer, songwriter, arranger and A&R man, and Andre Williams was involved a bit. All three had ties in Chicago and Detroit. But, I don't remember Andre Williams or Sonny Sanders working with Dave Hamilton. Nor do I remember McKinley Jackson working with him. But, Andre Williams, and certainly , Sonny Sanders were working mostly in Chicago in 1965-1966. I'd guess that possibly Jackson, who worked a lot more in Detroit than in Chicago, was in the studio when they were recording it, and liked it, and asked Hamilton if he could "buy" it from him if Hamilton's Tobi Lark record failed to do much in sales. OR, someone in Detroit got their hands on a copy of the backing track master tapes and sold them/it to Jackson (he not knowing that it had been used on a released record. We certainly didn't hear "Challenge My Love" on WVON. I don't know if it got radio play outside Detroit. We didn't hear it in Chicago, as I remember. Most of the other same backing tracks used had fairly clear trails of connections between staff or ownership from one label to the other, or from people who had worked together at one time or another. This one is tough to figure.
Ady Croasdell Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 "In The Neighborhood" -Jimmy Ruffin "On The Avenue"-Jimmy Ruffin There were a LOT more Motown and Detroit tracks used on 2 or more recordings. As far as the Connections between Chicago's Maurci Records and Detroit's Topper Records I can only guess. The tracks for "Challenge My Love were DEFINITELY laid down by Dave Hamilton and his people in Detroit. I believe that Maurci Records was Gene Chandler's and SimTec Simmon's label. They had Sonny Sanders as one of their arrangers and McKinley Jackson as producer, songwriter, arranger and A&R man, and Andre Williams was involved a bit. All three had ties in Chicago and Detroit. But, I don't remember Andre Williams or Sonny Sanders working with Dave Hamilton. Nor do I remember McKinley Jackson working with him. But, Andre Williams, and certainly , Sonny Sanders were working mostly in Chicago in 1965-1966. I'd guess that possibly Jackson, who worked a lot more in Detroit than in Chicago, was in the studio when they were recording it, and liked it, and asked Hamilton if he could "buy" it from him if Hamilton's Tobi Lark record failed to do much in sales. OR, someone in Detroit got their hands on a copy of the backing track master tapes and sold them/it to Jackson (he not knowing that it had been used on a released record. We certainly didn't hear "Challenge My Love" on WVON. I don't know if it got radio play outside Detroit. We didn't hear it in Chicago, as I remember. Most of the other same backing tracks used had fairly clear trails of connections between staff or ownership from one label to the other, or from people who had worked together at one time or another. This one is tough to figure. Well thought out Robb, I would just add that it is very doubtful that Dave knew anything about it as the writer credits have been changed and Dave knew nothing of them when Gilly & Tats asked him. Maybe Dave Thorley's interview with McKinley which is temporarily inaccessible, mentions it. If only Jerry Long was on the credits, then we'd know what happened! I'll ask Darrell Goolsby again and see if he has any ideas. Ady
Guest Jackdaw Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Two on Dore Dr Love - Whispers & I'm getting back into circulation - Entertainers IV Also add Hesitations - She won't come back to Lorraine Chandler / Four Sonics The Jack Ashford album 'Hotel Sheet' has two tracks that use the same backing as Smith Brothers Payback's a drag and There can be a better way. From memory (I'm in work), I think the Payback track is called This aint just another love song.
Theothertosspot Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Jonny Mae Mathews "Lonely You'll Be" Platters "Going Back To Detroit" + maybe another. Paul Was it Calvin Williams? TOTP
Haydn Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) The Cheers-Mighty mighty lover Mississippi Joe - Soul PowerMack Rice - Down by the waterholeClay Hammond - Dance little girl Edited November 29, 2011 by Haydn
Guest Byrney Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) Sandy Goldern - when we're all alone The Sweets - something about my baby E Rodney Jones - R&B time Bobby Treetop - wait till I get to know you September Jones - I'm coming home Billy Sha Rae - Do it Edited November 29, 2011 by Byrney
Theothertosspot Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Jesse James on Shirley records - fantastic, rare, and very expensive, virtually same backing track as the Impressions (also done by lead vocalist Jerry Butler solo on Vee-Jay). Major Lance did it too (i'm the one that loves you) TOTP
Theothertosspot Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Sandy Goldern - when we're all alone The Sweets - something about my baby E Rodney Jones - R&B time Bobby Treetop - wait till I get to know you September Jones - I'm coming home Billy Sha Rae - Do it Billy Sha Rae - I'm Gone (cheapie) Eddie Parker - Ditto (cost yer a bit more) Both got pressed, or is it reissued?, think Billy Sha Rae before Eddie Parker TOTP
Theothertosspot Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 A lot of the Pied Piper stuff, Lorraine Chandler, Eddie Parker, Hesitations, Sam Butler, etc used the same backing tracks, as did Popcorn and Hestor, but perhaps the first to do it was Berry Gordy (not sure though, anybody confirm/agree/disagree) TOTP
Wiggyflat Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Godoy Colbert-Baby I Like It Len Jewell-All My Good Good Lovin
Haydn Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Darrel Banks - Open the door Motor City Runners - Walk right on in MCR has been a recent one on me
Theothertosspot Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Godoy Colbert-Baby I Like It Len Jewell-All My Good Good Lovin Got and like both (that's why I got them) but I think Len Jewell is more uplifting than Mr Colbert, although they both use the same backing. TOTP
Theothertosspot Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 lorraine chandler - tell me you're mine - giant / rca four sonics - tell me you're mine - sepia joan duvall - let me go - sport abstract reality - love burns like fire - sport Ain't Lorraine Chandler/Four Sonics sam backing as Hesitations "She won't come back" Pied Piper Production? TOTP
Mark W Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Mel Williams - Burn Baby Burn on Star and Delilah Kennibrew - Bright Lights on Loma share the same backing track too
Trev Thomas Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Ain't Lorraine Chandler/Four Sonics sam backing as Hesitations "She won't come back" Pied Piper Production? TOTP yes they are, also "thats what love is" from the hesitations album shares the same backing track as eddie parkers "i'm gone"
Haydn Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Chuck Jackson/Elvis - Any day now Tommy Hunt - Lover
Guest trickbag Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 the fabulous echos if you move it youll loose it contempo major lance dont you know i love you contempo ricky.
Guest jerrio Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Okay folks, Don't know if this has been done before. Just been listening to The Trips There's that mountain & it's quite obviously the same track/arrangement as Richard Temple's That Beatin' Rhythm. Must be loads of others like this given the way the studios were set up. Anymore anyone? p.s., did i imagine it, or did someone one tell me Richard Temple was in fact one Willie Hutch no less?.........or did I dream it? Four Sonics Plus One.- Tell Me Your Mine. The Hesitations. - She Wont Come Back.
Guest jerrio Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Four Sonics Plus One.- Tell Me Your Mine. The Hesitations. - She Wont Come Back. OOPS! ALREADY MENTIONED.
macca Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Are we talking about the same back track but for different songs, i.e. Len Jewell/Godoy Colbert. Therefore, examples like The Shirelles and Linda Jones both doing Last Minute Miracle, don't count, right? The Tymes and the Superiors 'What Would I Do', as far as I remember are two completely different songs with completely different backing tracks. Same goes for Maxine Nightingale and The Javells. Correct me if wrong. 1
Guest veep1296 Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 CHICO LAMARR HOW ABOUT YOU FULLER same song and backing as PENETRATIONS SWEET SWEET BABY TERI DE/HIGHLAND CHICO LAMARR WHAT DO YOU THINK I AM FULLER same backing as TRIPS LOVE CANT BE MODERNIZED SOUNDVILLE (also cut by Jimmy Graham & New Group with diff backings)
Harry Crosby Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Stanley mitchell-quit twistin my arm New hollidays-my baby aint no plaything
Trev Thomas Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 kell osborne - you cant outsmart a woman - loma same backing as "a law against a heartbreaker" - highland also...the groovers - im a bashful guy - minit / teri de . lola sands - to whom it may concern - bison . soul shakers - im getting weaker - loma and the styles - baby im alive - modern, all share the same backing track
Trev Thomas Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) jimmy conwell - too much and len jewell - bettin on love arcades - theres got to be a loser and jesse james - are you gonna leave me stanley mitchell - get it baby and tony hestor - down in the dumps cooperettes - shing a ling and irma and the larks - you need love kim weston - do like i do and i'll never see my love again Edited November 30, 2011 by trev thomas
theboyfromxtown Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 JJ Barnes - Show Me The Way - also on Martha & the Vandellas JJ Barnes - (Tell Me) Aint It The Truth All three are on youtube
boba Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 What's sort of more interesting to me is when they don't reuse the backing track but actually recreate it, so it's a different track that sounds almost the same. They usually put their own writing credits on the new version. There is a bobby jones record on kack where the backing sounds just like a ruby andrews backing track but is totally redone. There is that Jay J Jones on V-tone vs. frankie beverly. There is the cheers "i've made up my mind" versus big jim's border crossing on zanzee
Scotters Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 Bit late reading this thread. I don't think these two have been mentioned (sorry of they have...or if I'm wrong!!) Marion Stewart - I must be losing you LaReine Lamar - That's not the way to love Pauline Shivers - Wont you come back home Silk - Falling in love Isn't easy (...at least the intro anyway!..Thanks Len!) All the best, Steve
Guest garysoul82 Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 edwin starr - backstreet,matt lucas-shake.same backing track.
Guest garysoul82 Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 jimmy burns - i really love you - erica bobby james - i really love you - karol brand new faces - brand new faces - cant remember label also...the mystics - i really love you - teako...same song as bobby james / jimmy burns, diferent backing shirelles - last minute miracle - scepter linda jones - last minute miracle - loma ruby winters - last minute miracle - unissued diamond trade martin - she put the hurt on me - stallion shirelles - you could be my remedy - unissued scepter kim weston - i'll never see my love again - gordy kim weston - do like i do - u.k tamla motown dave love - baby hard times - worlds scientists of soul - be'e that way sometimes - kashe mark v unlimited - gone - sagport eight minutes - i cant get no higher - perception plus one other that i cant rember steve mancha - friday night / monday through thursday - groovesville jackey beavers - a love that never grows old - revilot marvellows - why do you want to hurt the one who loves you - loma ambassadors - if i'm all you've got, i'm all you'll need - arctic kenny carlton - wait till i get you in my arms - blue rock major lance - wait till i get you in my arms - okeh Brand new faces were on LAjuna
Weingarden Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 Chris Campbell, You Gotta Pay Dues Bobby Jones, Talkin' 'Bout Jones
purist Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 One that I like is on Blue Rock, by Alcon Shades, and it's "twin" is Johnny Robinson "Gone But Not Forgotten" Okeh (dunno why i sold that alcon shades? shouldn't have) has anybody shouted up on the ZZ Hill "Dont Make Promises" & Eddie Rey "Something of Value" ? (there are sooo many vinyl versions out there in 'pop world' of this tune, found 20 odd from it's originator Tim Hardin, Georgie Fame, Bobby Darin, Gary Lewis & Playboys, Marianne Faithfull,Joan Baez, etc I don't know about that area of pop music but guess some on here may, there's one listed by Paul Weller, is this him doing a version or si that another song entirely?)
Theothertosspot Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 "there must be a love somewhere",ede robin,er i cannot remember the other version(s) same with "rock me till i want no more",phil lowman, Wont it Major Bill Smiths output, vocal to soul symphony? How about Johnny Sayles track on UK Liberty (US Minit) records that has the same backing track to the Accents "who you gonna etc" on ONEDERFUL. Whats your thoughts? TOTP 1
Robbk Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Love Has Gone Away-Combinations, Inc. -Arc Lark Spending Christmas Day With You-The Nibbs -Arc Lark same backing track
Weingarden Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) Van McCoy Strings, Sweet and Easy /// Brenda & the Tabulations, A Love You Can Depend On George Young and the Youngsters, Sayin' Somethin' /// Rufus Thomas, Funky Mississippi (this one's a real head-scratcher) Watts 103rd St. Rhythm Band, Brown Sugar /// Zu Zu Blues Band, Zu Zu Man The Stokes, Young Man Old Man /// Benny Spellman, The Word Game 100 Proof Aged in Soul, Somebody's Been Sleeping /// Syl Johnson, That's Why Junior Wells, You Oughta Quit That /// Junior Wells, That Will Hold Me Jackie & Tut, 10-2 Double Plus /// Gabriel, The Buzzard Lope The Sounds of Lane, Tracks to Your Mind /// Mickey Lee Lane, Hey Sah-No-Ley Chuck Cornish, A Tribute to Muhammad Ali /// Senator Jones, Do You Love Me Edited June 4, 2018 by weingarden
Driveller Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 The Whispers - it Only Hurts For A little While Entertainers IV - My Garden Of Eden Billy Stewart - No Girl Billy Stewart - Look Back and Smile Edwin Starr - Stop Her On Sight/Scotts On Swingers
grouse Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) Rockmasters - Raining Teardrops - Romulus Sapphires - Who Do You Love - Swan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPMTdtaX5VQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHwQP6DgFwk Completely different writers credits so can't see the connection Can anyone remind me what the record with the same backing as Appreciations - She Never Really Loved Me - Sport is as it's driving me nuts trying to remember. Edited June 4, 2018 by grouse
Driveller Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) Few more I've remembered: Tommy Navarro - Club Of Broken Hearts (De Jac) Richie Mandell - You Got Me (20th Century) Epsilons - Mad At The World (Shrine) Epsilons - It's All Right (HEM) Stewart Ames - King For A Day (J&W) Jock Mitchell - Nomad Woman (Golden Hit) Mello Souls - We Can Make It (Mello) Lakisha Washington - Just My Dreams (Solid Sound) OK, hands up, that last one's not real - found it for 49 cents in a junk shop while I was sleeping last night, then I woke up and it wasn't in my box any more... Still, the other ones are real. Never mind, a lad can dream! Edited June 5, 2018 by Driveller Update 3
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