I made a comment on Facebook and it was suggested a thread on here might work better.

"If Cee Lo Green were a sh*t load less famous, he'd be Northern Soul. Shame as a few of his offerings are, imo vastly superior to some of the emperor's new clothes currently foisted upon us"..

Discuss...

  On 18/07/2011 at 12:37, Ian Dewhirst said:

What???? You mean the vocalist isn't even black? Heaven forbid...........

Ian D

one of each I reckon Ian

And this is for the people who think the Cee Lo track sounds a bit familiar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvddCEXNO4

Just googled KGF Bob,of course you are right.Its Danny Fernandez on vocals...all this time i was wrong.....

  On 18/07/2011 at 20:06, Cunnie said:

And this is for the people who think the Cee Lo track sounds a bit familiar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvddCEXNO4

Blimey. Didn't know that Mart. Mind you, I wasn't buying too many gay Disco albums in '79..........

Same producers as El Coco.......

Ian D

  On 18/07/2011 at 14:52, Simsy said:

You say that like it's a fact, when in reality, that's just your opinion. That is a fact and like it or not, it subtracts credibility from your statements.

ok sorry maybe I should have put 'in my opinion' in the quote but I feel so passionate about this guys awful voice and its 'in my opinon' being cofused with being soulful, rather than a pastishe of a vocal style that reflects deep spiritual feeling, 'in my opinion.'

  On 18/07/2011 at 21:12, vertigoGo said:

ok sorry maybe I should have put 'in my opinion' in the quote but I feel so passionate about this guys awful voice and its 'in my opinon' being cofused with being soulful, rather than a pastishe of a vocal style that reflects deep spiritual feeling, 'in my opinion.'

Well considering that both of Cee-Lo's parents were ordained ministers and he started singing in church from an early age, I would suggest that he probably knows more about a vocal style which reflects deep spiritual feeling than most. In my opinion of course.

Ian D

  On 18/07/2011 at 21:12, vertigoGo said:

ok sorry maybe I should have put 'in my opinion' in the quote but I feel so passionate about this guys awful voice and its 'in my opinon' being cofused with being soulful, rather than a pastishe of a vocal style that reflects deep spiritual feeling, 'in my opinion.'

That's okay mate, everyone entitled to their own opinion etc.

Interesting you find his voice awful, but yeah, each to his own.

  On 18/07/2011 at 08:46, corbett80 said:

"With regard to "funky newies" I think this was a path pioneered by Karl Heard (least in more recent times); and having heard him a couple of times and a few people there after playing such sets I'd say that the key to those sets is taking the audience with you......

A set that blends the right mix of Rare / Northern Soul with funky edged sounds can work superbly and whilst a good tune is a good tune (to the listener) regardless - a whole set of "left fielders" can leave the audience cold as they can't "hook" into it............"

I think that pretty much all of the funkier sounds played at the 100 club so far have not been an issue with people - certainly 45s played by Butch such as Richard Marks, Charlene Soul Seranders ect have always gone down superbly. Obviously there is the odd sound that alienates people a little too far - i wouldn't of thought that BAOS was any funkier than say Earl English or the Dynamic Corvettes, both of which have been played regularly by DJs like Karl. The idea of playing a set of all newies is never conducive to a more conservative dancefloor (although there are plenty of places open minded enough for this to happen) , that goes without saying, but that wasn't the case here. I think this is more a case of one particular 45 getting someones goat. I should also point out that luckily the crowd did dance to the 45 in question!!

Some very very good points there my freind...

I feel sorry for the bad press that has now been thrust on (to my mind) a fantastic Detroit funk soul record Steve - one that may have a strong funk edged beat but great soulful vocals over it - hence why i thought it fair to play it in todays climate. I would hardly put it in the comedy party funk category - its not Do The Bus Stop for flip's sake! As Boba pointed out to if you want to hear REAL soul check the flip of BAOS 'Betrothal' out.....beautiful.

The other sad thing is out of the limited crowd there that night (not due to the funk before any of you start ) most of them danced to it and a few had previously requested it, which was great to see imho. As one of the DJs its my job to try to get a balance right of what people want to hear across the board, alongside stuff you like yourself and hope to play to people. I always try to play what classic 60's stuff I have both mid and uptempo in the first set and try to be a bit more interesting in the second? Some 45s work, some don't - I had hoped maybe the 100 would be a place this might of (and thought it had on the night) - but onward ever upward, have to find something else with the funk toned down a tad - all part of the rare soul jocking game!

Cheers!

J

Edited July 19, 201113 yr by corbett80

  On 19/07/2011 at 09:53, corbett80 said:

out of the limited crowd there that night

Just want to make this clear that this thread has nothing to do with the last 100 Club allnighter. I didn't even know you'd played that awful record there!

Hopefully will get something out of the old box to tickle your fancy instead....!

And a record you like (boom boom)

Am I the only person that actually likes the Black Aces of Soul now then? Strewth!

It's absolutely got a place at a Niter.

Edited July 19, 201113 yr by Steve G

  On 19/07/2011 at 12:13, Steve G said:

Am I the only person that actually likes the Black Aces of Soul now then? Strewth!

It's absolutely got a place at a Niter.

I like it, not keen on the harmonies mind, but within the context of the thread, isn't it just the unlucky one that was put in the spotlight by Ian?

  On 19/07/2011 at 12:13, Steve G said:

Am I the only person that actually likes the Black Aces of Soul now then? Strewth!

Not at all - great tune. Didn't know it, will be looking out for it.

Maybe we could agree on a special handshake that 'funky soul' lovers can give at soul nights to alert each other to their presence, like the Masons?

I'm going to try this on Butch at the next 100.

Edited July 19, 201113 yr by corbett80

  On 19/07/2011 at 12:08, corbett80 said:

Hopefully will get something out of the old box to tickle your fancy instead....!

And a record you like (boom boom)

Instead of going for a cigg i, I'm gonna stick around and watch the funxsta's dance in future. Not expecting spins & floorwork, but just interested to see moves, beat etc..

  On 19/07/2011 at 12:59, Simsy said:

Instead of going for a cigg i, I'm gonna stick around and watch the funxsta's dance in future. Not expecting spins & floorwork, but just interested to see moves, beat etc..

'' I said oops upside ya head, I said oops upside ya head...........''

  On 19/07/2011 at 13:08, Winnie :-) said:

'' I said oops upside ya head, I said oops upside ya head...........''

Mmmm. Northern Soul funky formation dancing. Now that could spark a new trend.......

Ian D

  On 19/07/2011 at 12:13, Steve G said:

Am I the only person that actually likes the Black Aces of Soul now then? Strewth!

It's absolutely got a place at a Niter.

Steve, I've made it quite clear earlier in the thread that I LOVE IT

  On 19/07/2011 at 12:59, Simsy said:

Instead of going for a cigg i, I'm gonna stick around and watch the funxsta's dance in future. Not expecting spins & floorwork, but just interested to see moves, beat etc..

I've already offered to show you my funky windmills!

I saw people dancing in the usual stylee - certainly noticed a large degree of shuffling going on to The Apollos at Cleggy - in the main room as well!

Edited July 19, 201113 yr by corbett80

Sam's playing that a lot at the moment. I love it

  On 19/07/2011 at 16:09, corbett80 said:

I saw people dancing in the usual stylee - certainly noticed a large degree of shuffling going on to The Apollos at Cleggy - in the main room as well!

Now your talking

  On 19/07/2011 at 12:13, Steve G said:

Am I the only person that actually likes the Black Aces of Soul now then? Strewth!

It's absolutely got a place at a Niter.

Nope had a liking for it since I first heard it. Even included it on one of the Lifeline podcasts...

https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/blog/

Where Adam heard it and asked me to play it the other weekend - this is all his fault as usual!

i think some of you are far too easily pleased in the name of progression

dave

Nah Dave, I kow what I like and what I don't like by this stage of my life; I also have a reasonable pair of ears as well . Nothing to do with progression. It's about hearing exciting new records.....Steve

  On 19/07/2011 at 18:09, Steve G said:

Nah Dave, I kow what I like and what I don't like by this stage of my life; I also have a reasonable pair of ears as well . Nothing to do with progression. It's about hearing exciting new records.....Steve

i know it is steve. but nothing good or exciting about the last 2 records . BAOS is a poor mans psychelic shack soundalike...and APPOLOS is a dull funk instrumental........got pace about them but thats all...not for me.is that the best we can do ..wheres the real stuff

dave

  On 19/07/2011 at 15:19, TheSoulgirl said:

I've already offered to show you my funky windmills!

You're no Keb Darge love.

  On 19/07/2011 at 16:09, corbett80 said:

I saw people dancing in the usual stylee - certainly noticed a large degree of shuffling going on to The Apollos at Cleggy - in the main room as well!

Both sides played at Hip city, Berlin to a full floor, think a lot of people are still narrow minded in uk

think that might have something to do with the local brew tho tim

bri pinch

Now I can see that apollas working at a nighter, certainly not dull to these ears.

  On 19/07/2011 at 19:45, bri pinch said:

think that might have something to do with the local brew tho tim

bri pinch

Cud be Bri

  On 19/07/2011 at 17:44, chalky said:

Nope had a liking for it since I first heard it. Even included it on one of the Lifeline podcasts...

https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/blog/

good tune wouldnt like to dance to many at that pace though!

  On 19/07/2011 at 18:40, tim smithers said:

Both sides played at Hip city, Berlin to a full floor, think a lot of people are still narrow minded in uk

yes, some of the "funkier" tunes are well received by our punters over here. Not so much the local brew the cause though as except for Becks and Budweiser (which are not local brews) they only serve Irish and Engllish brews at the Oscar Wilde...it seems to be more a case of them being indeed willing to accept the one or two new tunes being aired without geting (too) annoyed

Thankfully.

  On 19/07/2011 at 18:36, dave pinch said:

i know it is steve. but nothing good or exciting about the last 2 records . BAOS is a poor mans psychelic shack soundalike...and APPOLOS is a dull funk instrumental........got pace about them but thats all...not for me.is that the best we can do ..wheres the real stuff

dave

Absolutely spot on IMHO

  On 19/07/2011 at 16:09, corbett80 said:

I saw people dancing in the usual stylee - certainly noticed a large degree of shuffling going on to The Apollos at Cleggy - in the main room as well!

I've been playing both sides to good reaction

  On 19/07/2011 at 18:36, dave pinch said:

i know it is steve. but nothing good or exciting about the last 2 records . BAOS is a poor mans psychelic shack soundalike...and APPOLOS is a dull funk instrumental........got pace about them but thats all...not for me.is that the best we can do ..wheres the real stuff

dave

Must admit the Appolos isn't a favourite.....filler material

  On 19/07/2011 at 20:37, Steve G said:

Must admit the Appolos isn't a favourite.....filler material

i totally disagree; but then its all personal. what did suprise me is that Sam favours this side over Waymond Hall

  On 19/07/2011 at 20:33, Dave Abbott said:

I've been playing both sides to good reaction

Remember Dave, you dont like inst

  On 19/07/2011 at 20:04, Marc Forrest said:

yes, some of the "funkier" tunes are well received by our punters over here. Not so much the local brew the cause though as except for Becks and Budweiser (which are not local brews) they only serve Irish and Engllish brews at the Oscar Wilde...it seems to be more a case of them being indeed willing to accept the one or two new tunes being aired without geting (too) annoyed

Thankfully.

Open minded,blank canvasses.Sometimes knowledge and history can be baggage that holds you back.

  On 19/07/2011 at 20:53, tim smithers said:

Remember Dave, you dont like inst

yes I know mate, i know; usually i have no time for them - but i love this one

  On 19/07/2011 at 20:50, Dave Abbott said:

i totally disagree; but then its all personal. what did suprise me is that Sam favours this side over Waymond Hall

Waymond is waaaay better

  On 19/07/2011 at 21:03, TheSoulgirl said:

Waymond is waaaay better

Yes

but the Apollos is still a kicking record

Edited July 19, 201113 yr by Dave Abbott

  On 19/07/2011 at 20:04, Marc Forrest said:

yes, some of the "funkier" tunes are well received by our punters over here. Not so much the local brew the cause though as except for Becks and Budweiser (which are not local brews) they only serve Irish and Engllish brews at the Oscar Wilde...it seems to be more a case of them being indeed willing to accept the one or two new tunes being aired without geting (too) annoyed

Thankfully.

That's exactly as I read it Marc - the crowd prepared to give things a go, came with open minds and danced to whatever felt right, created a very relaxed and non-judgemental atmosphere - it was very refreshing ...................

It was also noticeably a more mixed and younger crowd............

Just keep doing what you do

  On 19/07/2011 at 20:58, KevH said:

Open minded,blank canvasses.Sometimes knowledge and history can be baggage that holds you back.

understand what you mean and apreciate it, must say though that with some being regular punters for a period over 21 years and of course attening other venues too they are not that blank anymore.. furthermore I have to admit that not everybody is totally happy with the funkier tunes..some prefer the more traditional sounds. still they dont moan and accept these tunes as they simply relax and wait for the next more appropriate tune

  On 19/07/2011 at 21:18, RareMusicDirect said:

That's exactly as I read it Marc - the crowd prepared to give things a go, came with open minds and danced to whatever felt right, created a very relaxed and non-judgemental atmosphere - it was very refreshing ...................

It was also noticeably a more mixed and younger crowd............

Just keep doing what you do

cheers, we will try to do our best

"i know it is steve. but nothing good or exciting about the last 2 records . BAOS is a poor mans psychelic shack soundalike...and APPOLOS is a dull funk instrumental........got pace about them but thats all...not for me.is that the best we can do ..wheres the real stuff

dave"

But would you rather hear Cee Lo Green at a nighter?

Edited July 20, 201113 yr by corbett80

  On 19/07/2011 at 21:23, Marc Forrest said:

understand what you mean and apreciate it, must say though that with some being regular punters for a period over 21 years and of course attening other venues too they are not that blank anymore.. furthermore I have to admit that not everybody is totally happy with the funkier tunes..some prefer the more traditional sounds. still they dont moan and accept these tunes as they simply relax and wait for the next more appropriate tune

Should have added "Blank canvasses" as a positive..

  On 19/07/2011 at 09:53, corbett80 said:

I feel sorry for the bad press that has now been thrust on (to my mind) a fantastic Detroit funk soul record Steve - one that may have a strong funk edged beat but great soulful vocals over it - hence why i thought it fair to play it in todays climate. I would hardly put it in the comedy party funk category - its not Do The Bus Stop for flip's sake! As Boba pointed out to if you want to hear REAL soul check the flip of BAOS 'Betrothal' out.....beautiful.

The other sad thing is out of the limited crowd there that night (not due to the funk before any of you start ) most of them danced to it and a few had previously requested it, which was great to see imho. As one of the DJs its my job to try to get a balance right of what people want to hear across the board, alongside stuff you like yourself and hope to play to people. I always try to play what classic 60's stuff I have both mid and uptempo in the first set and try to be a bit more interesting in the second? Some 45s work, some don't - I had hoped maybe the 100 would be a place this might of (and thought it had on the night) - but onward ever upward, have to find something else with the funk toned down a tad - all part of the rare soul jocking game!

Cheers!

J

not a huge champoin of funk myself but,

I for one am mainly glad to have read this thread to have been turned on to the Black Aces of Soul, EXCELLENT RECORD!!!!!!!