Cee Lo Green V Funky Newies

[Winnie :-)]

Ok so when did the northern soul scene not play contempory soul from the artist of that time? 1960s well no every thing and evry artist was contempory to that time, 1970s well yes the same also applies alltough we where still looking back to the 60s as well, 1980s well yes again allthough the 80s seem to be the decade of decline for most i can clearly remember dancing and hearing tunes of the day played although not so many. now we get to the 90s which is a time i cannot comment on as i stoped going so we are now in to the 2Ks and there seems to be a smatering of contempory plays of the time all be it that they tend to be retro sounding things so nothings changed, as far as i can see, and some folk think its ok and some not so, again nothings changed So whys everone getting so upset ?

I don't think there's too much distress exhibited within the thread, pretty civilised from what I've read, differing opinions yes, but all discussed in the best possible taste

[Chalky]

Win, it's the commercial stuff I have a problem with. I'm into independent, underplayed, forgotten or whatever tag you wanna give it. If I wanted to listen to commercial chart records I'd go to a night club.

The Northern, rare, crossover scene is by and large about records that failed, rare and obscue so why shoul we change what the scene is about simply to attract some newcomers. They either like it for what it is or go to a night club and hear the commercial stuff.

[KevH]

Lips Inc was at Yate. I cant edit the post without losing all the formatting.

Whoever had that brainstorm to play it at Yate,should have a frontal lobotomy.Or maybe they already had.

[Winnie :-)]

Win, it's the commercial stuff I have a problem with. I'm into independent, underplayed, forgotten or whatever tag you wanna give it. If I wanted to listen to commercial chart records I'd go to a night club.

The Northern, rare, crossover scene is by and large about records that failed, rare and obscue so why shoul we change what the scene is about simply to attract some newcomers. They either like it for what it is or go to a night club and hear the commercial stuff.

Chalks I'm not advocating commercial stuff, per se, just that the quality of a record can't be judged on chart success alone. Very occasionally the public might like something we like, anyway it's only a discussion, couldn't have one without differing opinions

[Guest in town Mikey]

Whoever had that brainstorm to play it at Yate,should have a frontal lobotomy.Or maybe they already had.

I think Brainstorm might have been the previous track

[KevH]

My summing up is...if something funky is going to be played,it has to have a beat that's familiar to the scene.(refering now to the 60's/70's NS)...The dancers and punters need that reference point to spring from.Too funky,and it doesn't belong.Its a fine line getting it right.

CL Green,good singer for the time,nothing wrong with him.But he doesn't tick any other boxes than that.Too commercial,not rare or collectable,the sort of stuff my mum sings along to.Ok and inoffensive,no "grabs you by the balls" moments in his music.

[KevH]

I think Brainstorm might have been the previous track

Led you in nicely Mikey

[Winnie :-)]

My summing up is...if something funky is going to be played,it has to have a beat that's familiar to the scene.(refering now to the 60's/70's NS)...The dancers and punters need that reference point to spring from.Too funky,and it doesn't belong.Its a fine line getting it right.

CL Green,good singer for the time,nothing wrong with him.But he doesn't tick any other boxes than that.Too commercial,not rare or collectable,the sort of stuff my mum sings along to.Ok and inoffensive,no "grabs you by the balls" moments in his music.

But would you rule out everything contemporary regardless?

First bit of your comment, spot on IMO

[Guest in town Mikey]

Led you in nicely Mikey

Like Shearer and Sheringham.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Chalky leaving aside Cee Lo for a moment, if the soul scene is claiming to be a progressive one, then all avenues have to be explored. A record doesn't become unsoulful because it has charted, that creates boundaries, and if the stalwarts on the scene truly see it as a forward thinking movement then the only criteria should be quality, not era.

Good point. All artists have one thing in common, namely that they all set out to sell records. There isn't an artist in the world who wants a flop. Of course the main criteria should be quality first and foremost.

Obviously Cee-Lo is better suited to the contemporary Modern scene rather than the Northern scene - I'd be as surprised as anyone if Cee-Lo was played at a Northern session, but what makes tunes like, say, Kings Go Forth or some of the Dap-Tone stuff any different? Is it because they're deliberately retro-sounding or something?

Ian D

[KevH]

Good point. All artists have one thing in common, namely that they all set out to sell records. There isn't an artist in the world who wants a flop. Of course the main criteria should be quality first and foremost.

Obviously Cee-Lo is better suited to the contemporary Modern scene rather than the Northern scene - I'd be as surprised as anyone if Cee-Lo was played at a Northern session, but what makes tunes like, say, Kings Go Forth or some of the Dap-Tone stuff any different? Is it because they're deliberately retro-sounding or something?

Ian D

Well KGF for starters have a lead singer with pedigree - Danny Hernandez,of The Ones (You haven't seen my love/Happy day).First latino's on Motown i believe.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Conversely some funky edged stuff was played back then too and massive - as I am sure Daddy "Ian" Dewdrop can remind us all - Summer in the Parks, Lovelites, Flaming Emeralds etc. to think of three obvious headbanging examples of the genre.

Peace, Love and Happiness.

Steve

For sure. As long as I can remember the scene has always played newly released contemporary Soul alongside harder rarities from the late 60's forwards - records like "Keep On Keeping On" - N.F. Porter, "My Man Is A Sweet Man" - Millie Jackson and "This Is The House (Where Love Died)" - First Choice being three good examples from the early days all of which were huge records across the scene. They were generally played on import and then if any of 'em looked like becoming commercial hits they were dropped pretty quickly to make way for newer/rarer stuff.

Shouldn't that be Grandaddy Steve?

Ian D

[Guest Matt Male]

I could see Cee Lo Green being played at Yate, and possibly even Stafford.

Amongst the good stuff there was a lot of crap played at Stafford

Plenty of chart music was played at Stafford, Atlantic Star - Circles and Jeffrey Osbourne - Don't You Get So Mad, to name but two.

Personally it's not whether it's in the charts or commercially available that bothers me, it's whether it's good and CLG isn't. In my opinion.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Matt Male

[Ian Dewhirst]

Well KGF for starters have a lead singer with pedigree - Danny Hernandez,of The Ones (You haven't seen my love/Happy day).First latino's on Motown i believe.

What???? You mean the vocalist isn't even black? Heaven forbid...........

Ian D

[Guest in town Mikey]

Amongst the good stuff there was a lot of crap played at Stafford Plenty of chart music was played at Stafford, Atlantic Star - Circles and Jeffrey Osbourne - Don't You Get So Mad, to name but two. Personally it's not whether it's in the charts or commercially available that bothers me, it's whether it's good and CLG isn't. In my opinion.

Atlantic Starr would send me to the other room when it was played.
Edited July 18, 2011 by in town Mikey

[Winnie :-)]

Well KGF for starters have a lead singer with pedigree - Danny Hernandez,of The Ones (You haven't seen my love/Happy day).First latino's on Motown i believe.

Were they before Jose Feliciano then?

[Steve G]

For sure. As long as I can remember the scene has always played newly released contemporary Soul alongside harder rarities from the late 60's forwards - Ian D

No, no no - I don't agree you've got this right at all Daddy Dewdrop.

In the scene's heyday of the 70s new and recent releases were played (Mel Britt 2 years old, Lou Pride the same), but that was because the oldest records were only about 10 years old and the style (recording, tempo, rhythm etc.) wasn't much different. And nobody knew what was really rare then either. I mean over a week's wages for Joy Lovejoy etc - give me a break!

There is a million miles between the style of the 60s - mid 70s and contemporary soul releases of today. As well as musical development also you cannot ignore nearly forty years of the northern scene's development - even if you haven't been around on it for all the time. The "rare soul" scene today is precicely what it says in the title. Not clapped out oldies, not new releases, but lesser played tunes with that 60s / 70s vibe and feel - including a bit of funky edged stuff.

KGF and SJ&DKs are but two great examples of singers / bands (there are plenty of others as well) who have made their mark by recreating that 'feel' / sound of the 60s /70s. They are not trying to sound contemporary. Incidentally I might play them at a soul night, and have certainly played them on radio, but not at a rare soul night and I think that's the difference. DJ Genesis was such a bad egg that I actually played Betty Wright at a soul night once as a protest and had people asking me "what's this? Have you got the dance version we know please?" etc. When I frequent a rare soul club I don't expect to hear DJ Genesis though, or anything which is a new release.

Said it before but "northern soul" is a meaningless term in this factionalised world of ours.

All the best,

Steve

[KevH]

Were they before Jose Feliciano then?

Not sure.The Ones were about '67..JF earlier?.First latino group?

[Ian Dewhirst]

Plenty of chart music was played at Stafford, Atlantic Star - Circles and Jeffrey Osbourne - Don't You Get So Mad, to name but two.

Two great records there by the way, but both were actually commercial failures. Atlantic Starr didn't chart at all and Jeffrey Osbourne didn't even get in the Top 50.

Unlike the bloody awful Lipps Inc record! Who on earth played that? No Soul, pure Disco and a No.2 Pop record. Yes, they should have been lynched LOL...

Ian D

[Simsy]

Atlantic Starr would send me to the other room when it was played.

Main room to other, you'd be going round in 'Circles' ..!

[Winnie :-)]

Not sure.The Ones were about '67..JF earlier?.First latino group?

JF was early 8Ts I think, so I stand corrected

[Simsy]

Main room to other, you'd be going round in 'Circles' ..!

Is this Black Aces Of Soul esq situ a similar sort of thing to the first time the Carstairs was played at the Highland Room?

[Ian Dewhirst]

No, no no - I don't agree you've got this right at all Daddy Dewdrop.

In the scene's heyday of the 70s new and recent releases were played (Mel Britt 2 years old, Lou Pride the same), but that was because the oldest records were only about 10 years old and the style (recording, tempo, rhythm etc.) wasn't much different. And nobody knew what was really rare then either. I mean over a week's wages for Joy Lovejoy etc - give me a break!

There is a million miles between the style of the 60s - mid 70s and contemporary soul releases of today. As well as musical development also you cannot ignore nearly forty years of the northern scene's development - even if you haven't been around on it for all the time. The "rare soul" scene today is precicely what it says in the title. Not clapped out oldies, not new releases, but lesser played tunes with that 60s / 70s vibe and feel - including a bit of funky edged stuff.

KGF and SJ&DKs are but two great examples of singers / bands (there are plenty of others as well) who have made their mark by recreating that 'feel' / sound of the 60s /70s. They are not trying to sound contemporary. Incidentally I might play them at a soul night, and have certainly played them on radio, but not at a rare soul night and I think that's the difference. DJ Genesis was such a bad egg that I actually played Betty Wright at a soul night once as a protest and had people asking me "what's this? Have you got the dance version we know please?" etc. When I frequent a rare soul club I don't expect to hear DJ Genesis though, or anything which is a new release.

Said it before but "northern soul" is a meaningless term in this factionalised world of ours.

All the best,

Steve

Actually I wasn't really referring to records like Mel Britt and Lou Pride which were older releases which were eventually found a few years later (but still stayed relatively rare), but rather to brand new U.S. releases like N.F. Porter, Millie Jackson and First Choice which came in on import and which were played alongside the rarer stuff. What I'm saying is that certain brand new releases were every bit as popular as the rarer stuff. In fact, Record Corner which brought most of the new releases to the UK would actually make the 'Northern Soul' distinction in their lists when they sent them out at the time. I remember buying Limme & Family Cooking's "You Can Do Magic" from 'em on import which would have been perfect but that had the audacity to become a pop hit dammit......

I totally agree that the DJ Genesis tune is just wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels and that Northern Soul has become a meaningless term these days though, so we do agree on something!

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Is this Black Aces Of Soul esq situ a similar sort of thing to the first time the Carstairs was played at the Highland Room?

Nah, not the Carstairs so much - I remember that being popular at the Mecca from the off plus they had the pedigree of being a known act via the Okeh release. Definitely things like "Shake N' Bump" - Snoopy Dean, "The Ladies Choice" - Boby Franklin and "Music Maker" - King Sporty which pushed quite a few people to the limit at the time.

Plenty of people would stand around with their arms crossed saying things like, "if I want to hear bloody funk, I'll go to a funk club"!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.......

Ian D

[Guest in town Mikey]

Two great records there by the way, but both were actually commercial failures. Atlantic Starr didn't chart at all and Jeffrey Osbourne didn't even get in the Top 50.

Unlike the bloody awful Lipps Inc record! Who on earth played that? No Soul, pure Disco and a No.2 Pop record. Yes, they should have been lynched LOL...

Ian D

I think the Yate plays (play) would have been well before the record charted.

Just before my time, but how I would think tracks like Tavares' would have been played at some venues before a UK release??

Is it a lot different to a certain records that were popular mecca tracks, but allegedly banned at the Casino? Do it to it, isnt a million miles from Lips inc.

Main room to other, you'd be going round in 'Circles' ..!

If only it would have helped my inability to spin and remain upright

[Simsy]

Nah, not the Carstairs so much - I remember that being popular at the Mecca from the off plus they had the pedigree of being a known act via the Okeh release. Definitely things like "Shake N' Bump" - Snoopy Dean, "The Ladies Choice" - Boby Franklin and "Music Maker" - King Sporty which pushed quite a few people to the limit at the time.

Plenty of people would stand around with their arms crossed saying things like, "if I want to hear bloody funk, I'll go to a funk club"!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.......

Interesting..

[Guest in town Mikey]

Hmm

Lips Inc was 1980. Yate closed in 81. But I'm still pretty sure it wasnt played after it charted.

Ladies Choice, was one I was going to compare to Lips Inc, but couldnt remember what it was called.

[Steve G]

Nah, not the Carstairs so much - I remember that being popular at the Mecca from the off plus they had the pedigree of being a known act via the Okeh release. Definitely things like "Shake N' Bump" - Snoopy Dean, "The Ladies Choice" - Boby Franklin and "Music Maker" - King Sporty which pushed quite a few people to the limit at the time.

Plenty of people would stand around with their arms crossed saying things like, "if I want to hear bloody funk, I'll go to a funk club"!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.......

Ian D

But BAOS and things like that aren't a bit like "Shake N bump" or King Sporty. Totally different.

[Ian Dewhirst]

But BAOS and things like that aren't a bit like "Shake N bump" or King Sporty. Totally different.

Agreed. Much rawer productions for a start. I think the funkier stuff that was played from the 70's was better produced but would be totally out of place these days for sure.

In fact, would it be fair to say, that rawer, less polished productions are really what people want now?

Ian D

[Dave Pinch]

if the black aces of soul 45 and these type of sounds is the way forward then its looks like i`m goin back to being an oldies man.i wanna keep progressing. but i wouldnt want to do it just for the sake of it..........i dont like cee lo either altho i did like gnarls barkley biggie

dave

[Benji]

if the black aces of soul 45 and these type of sounds is the way forward then its looks like i`m goin back to being an oldies man.i wanna keep progressing. but i wouldnt want to do it just for the sake of it..........i dont like cee lo either altho i did like gnarls barkley biggie

dave

Fully agree apart from Cee Lo bit.

[Geeselad]

IF YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THIS GUY CAN SING, FOR CHRIST SAKE WHY ARE YOU INTO SOUL MUSIC? HE IS APPAULING HIS VOICE IS JUST HORENDOUS, EVERYTHING HE SINGS SOUNDS SO BLEEDING LABOURED, HE HAS NO SENSE OF INTONATION OR PHRASING. AWFUL JUST AWFUL. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER SOUL SINGERS AROUND EVEN NOW, LET ALONE IN THE 6TS 7TS OR EVEN 8TS WHEN EVEN MINOR ARTISTS ON OBSCURE LABELS HAD MUCH MORE TALENT THAN THIS OVER HYPED DROSS!

[Geeselad]

Oh and I forgot, the production of his stuff makes Levine sound good, now thats a proper insult for you!

[Simsy]

IF YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THIS GUY CAN SING, FOR CHRIST SAKE WHY ARE YOU INTO SOUL MUSIC? HE IS APPAULING HIS VOICE IS JUST HORENDOUS, EVERYTHING HE SINGS SOUNDS SO BLEEDING LABOURED, HE HAS NO SENSE OF INTONATION OR PHRASING. AWFUL JUST AWFUL. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER SOUL SINGERS AROUND EVEN NOW, LET ALONE IN THE 6TS 7TS OR EVEN 8TS WHEN EVEN MINOR ARTISTS ON OBSCURE LABELS HAD MUCH MORE TALENT THAN THIS OVER HYPED DROSS!

You say that like it's a fact, when in reality, that's just your opinion. That is a fact and like it or not, it subtracts credibility from your statements.

[Dave Pinch]

Oh and I forgot, the production of his stuff makes Levine sound good, now thats a proper insult for you!

so you not keen then

dave

[Reg]

Weird thread, I honestly can't see how anybody could say Cee Lo is a bad singer. You may not like the music style, lack of obscurity or the fact that not just you knows who he is..... but the lad can sing. I saw him on Jools Holland (okay kill me I watched it, there was nowt else on honest ) , he sang Reet petite and did a reet good job.

He obviously doesn't really belong at an out and out Northern night but neither does some of the more funky stuff I've heard out, some of which definitely has aspects of the emperors new Clothes as somebody said earlier!!

Whatever floats your boat I guess

[KevH]

Mikey,i think Tavares - "Heaven must be missing an angel",was played at the Mecca before release,or at least very early on import.

All went tits up after "Whodunit!" though....

Edited July 18, 2011 by KevH

[Ian Dewhirst]

IF YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THIS GUY CAN SING, FOR CHRIST SAKE WHY ARE YOU INTO SOUL MUSIC? HE IS APPAULING HIS VOICE IS JUST HORENDOUS, EVERYTHING HE SINGS SOUNDS SO BLEEDING LABOURED, HE HAS NO SENSE OF INTONATION OR PHRASING. AWFUL JUST AWFUL. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER SOUL SINGERS AROUND EVEN NOW, LET ALONE IN THE 6TS 7TS OR EVEN 8TS WHEN EVEN MINOR ARTISTS ON OBSCURE LABELS HAD MUCH MORE TALENT THAN THIS OVER HYPED DROSS!

You're opinion Geeselad. I've been into Soul Music for 46 years and I think he can sing fantastically, his voice is great and his intonation and phrasing is tremendous. He has a whole brace of major awards and his album has sold millions around the world. Maybe that's why he's so hated? To each their own I guess.....

Ian D

[Steve G]

Mikey,i think Tavares - "Heaven must be missing an angel",was played at the Mecca before release,or at least very early on import.

All went tits up after "Whodunit!" though....

Both Heaven and It only takes a minute were both main room spins at Wigan back in 76

[Dave Pinch]

Fully agree apart from Cee Lo bit.

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i dont hate him or anything like that............... i certainly wouldnt brawl in the street like some on here over it. the guy can sing.but to me its all about the weak material and the productions not that impressive to these ears

dave

[Ian Dewhirst]

Mikey,i think Tavares - "Heaven must be missing an angel",was played at the Mecca before release,or at least very early on import.

All went tits up after "Whodunit!" though....

It was Kev. It was great for about 2 weeks before the pop jocks got on it and it hit the charts LOL. Actually the Mecca championed Tavares long before they had the slew of hits by playing things like "My Ship" and "It Only Takes A Minute". They made some fine records after the hits as well. Fantastic vocal group when you get beyond their more commercial offerings..........

Ian D

[KevH]

Both Heaven and It only takes a minute were both main room spins at Wigan back in 76

Quite right Steve.Just after Levine/Curtis broke em....

[Chalky]

Ok so when did the northern soul scene not play contempory soul from the artist of that time? 1960s well no every thing and evry artist was contempory to that time, 1970s well yes the same also applies alltough we where still looking back to the 60s as well, 1980s well yes again allthough the 80s seem to be the decade of decline for most i can clearly remember dancing and hearing tunes of the day played although not so many. now we get to the 90s which is a time i cannot comment on as i stoped going so we are now in to the 2Ks and there seems to be a smatering of contempory plays of the time all be it that they tend to be retro sounding things so nothings changed, as far as i can see, and some folk think its ok and some not so, again nothings changed So whys everone getting so upset ?

There is a difference between contemporary soul music which I have nothing against although I think that is for the modern soul scene and not the northern scene, and successful commercial pop music which is what CLG is IMO. I don't think anyone getting upset either, simply having a debate.

Whether people like the idea or not, the northern scene does have unwritten rules and boundaries as to what is played. Granted some new stuff does slip through, Angie Stone for instance although that sampled a track from the 70's and DJ Genesis (did it achieve anything in the charts?) but records like this were quickly forgotten.

[Jordirip]

. Actually the Mecca championed Tavares long before they had the slew of hits by playing things like "My Ship" and "It Only Takes A Minute". They made some fine records after the hits as well. Fantastic vocal group when you get beyond their more commercial offerings..........

Ian D

Weren't they originally Chubby and the Turnpikes?

Jordi

[Chalky]

Weren't they originally Chubby and the Turnpikes?

Jordi

[Cunnie]

Right then seeing as I have been mentioned a few times on this thread lets see where we are.

Firstly I have never or would ever suggest that Cee Lo Green is a Northern Soul singer even though pop singers like Paul Anka & Eurovision artists quite clearly are. Now that should have got your attention .

What I will say though is Cee Lo Green is a great singer with a very Soulful voice. Several people have levelled critisism at him for being a 'pop artist' but why? Did you level the same critisism at Levi Stubbs, Aretha Franklin or Marvin Gaye for example. Now I'm not suggesting that Cee Lo Green is in the same division as these legends but given time who knows?

The new single of Cee Lo's - I Want You was actually recorded over a year ago & a lot of people were playing it on the Modern scene around that time including myself. The version that most were playing was off a radio rip that was originally played by Gilles Peterson on radio 1 & it had a spoken request intro as you can hear on the link below.

https://www.mixcloud.com/ilo/cee-lo-green-i-want-you-radio-rip/

The version I was & still am playing is virtually the same but without the spoken intro & before you ask a friend of a friend got it me & also cut it onto vinyl for me.

If you listen to it on the link you will notice it is nearly the same as the recently released version but slightly faster & also does not have the same ending with the strange alien like noises on it. Also my version has a rather nice b side but thats another story so don't bother asking please. Maybe I'll give it a spin at the Scarborough weekender (shameless plug ).

It might be worth looking for some of the clips of Cee Lo on youtube when he guested with Jools Holland to hear some of the comments about how his all time musical hero is none other than Jackie Wilson (another pop artist or a Soul legend?).

As for Ian's comments about Cee Lo being Northern IMO he clearly is not on this track but if someone is either daft enough or brave enough to play it at a Northern venue then again who knows? One thing I will say though is that there are several tracks out there that I would class as 'new Northern Soul' but thats another thread if you are ready for it.

Not going to get into any silly arguments on this as I think all that needed saying has already been said so not going to reply to any comments (unless you really get my back up ).

[boba]

Well KGF for starters have a lead singer with pedigree - Danny Hernandez,of The Ones (You haven't seen my love/Happy day).First latino's on Motown i believe.

This is not true. I read this here and announced it once on my radio show and was embarassed later. Anyways, the lead singer of Kings Go Forth is Black (and his name is "Black Wolf") and was part of some soul groups that didn't record in Milwaukee in the 70s.

[Daveyboy]

Hmmm.... Cee Lo Green, Soul Man, great voice, but check this out from I think the mid 80's, sound familiar ?

Edited July 18, 2011 by chalky
MP3 removed as per site rules!!!!

[Simsy]

Right then seeing as I have been mentioned a few times on this thread lets see where we are.

Firstly I have never or would ever suggest that Cee Lo Green is a Northern Soul singer even though pop singers like Paul Anka & Eurovision artists quite clearly are. Now that should have got your attention .

What I will say though is Cee Lo Green is a great singer with a very Soulful voice. Several people have levelled critisism at him for being a 'pop artist' but why? Did you level the same critisism at Levi Stubbs, Aretha Franklin or Marvin Gaye for example. Now I'm not suggesting that Cee Lo Green is in the same division as these legends but given time who knows?

The new single of Cee Lo's - I Want You was actually recorded over a year ago & a lot of people were playing it on the Modern scene around that time including myself. The version that most were playing was off a radio rip that was originally played by Gilles Peterson on radio 1 & it had a spoken request intro as you can hear on the link below.

https://www.mixcloud....-you-radio-rip/

The version I was & still am playing is virtually the same but without the spoken intro & before you ask a friend of a friend got it me & also cut it onto vinyl for me.

If you listen to it on the link you will notice it is nearly the same as the recently released version but slightly faster & also does not have the same ending with the strange alien like noises on it. Also my version has a rather nice b side but thats another story so don't bother asking please. Maybe I'll give it a spin at the Scarborough weekender (shameless plug ).

It might be worth looking for some of the clips of Cee Lo on youtube when he guested with Jools Holland to hear some of the comments about how his all time musical hero is none other than Jackie Wilson (another pop artist or a Soul legend?).

As for Ian's comments about Cee Lo being Northern IMO he clearly is not on this track but if someone is either daft enough or brave enough to play it at a Northern venue then again who knows? One thing I will say though is that there are several tracks out there that I would class as 'new Northern Soul' but thats another thread if you are ready for it.

Not going to get into any silly arguments on this as I think all that needed saying has already been said so not going to reply to any comments (unless you really get my back up ).

Great posting mate, save for me saying CLG is Northern - was actually the opposite, or if a sh*t load less famous etc.

[Cunnie]

Great posting mate, save for me saying CLG is Northern - was actually the opposite, or if a sh*t load less famous etc.

Sorry Ian, my mistake.

Nice avatar BTW