Robbk Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) The Sound Lab one is a reference for the Jimmy Delphs released 45 on DSSI, its deffo not him, I have no idea who's singing..plus the sleeve with lots of info, was told Ron Murphy was dead, I suppose he would of known Mal, we had a discussion about that just after you won the DSSI demo. Unfortunately, Ron Murphy was already gone, and so we couldn't ask him. Upon listening to it, we realised it wasn't Jimmy Delphs. We concluded that it must have been the demo "reference" cut for Delphs to use as a model. Here's the link to our thread: https://soulfuldetroi....php/t-560.html Davie Gordon postulated that it might be one of Duane Freeman or George Mallory (the writers). Edited July 26, 2011 by RobbK
Jerry Hipkiss Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Just hazarding a guess - is that "Tastes sour" the same song as covered here by Keith Powell & Billie Davis on Piccadilly - the flip of "When you move you lose"? I'm at work so can't check the 45 for credits...
Manfromsoul45s Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 The Little Tommy with the Upsetters acetate is a much better sound recording than the actual issued 45 - is that the same for this one too? Yes the recording is pretty clear. The other side they got half way through the recording and stopped dead. Obviously not happy and started again..
Chalky Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Just hazarding a guess - is that "Tastes sour" the same song as covered here by Keith Powell & Billie Davis on Piccadilly - the flip of "When you move you lose"? I'm at work so can't check the 45 for credits... yes it is, there's also a take by Jimmy himself. Shame many of those Chris sold as original acetates were fakes though (not saying Mal's is btw). Know a few who were duped. New acetates with old label stuck on top of the new label.
Dave Thorley Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Here is another Blue Rock Alcon Shades - All is forgiven
Dave Thorley Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) This is a one sided 12" with four tracks. It came from Andrew Smith, who was a session drummer in Detroit, working at Motown and with Dennis Coffey. Andrew produced all the tracks, played and sang on them along with Dennis on guitar. Andrew cut these as a demo, hoping to get a artist deal with Berry, but nothing came of it. Shame as they are very good tracks, 2 ballads and two 60's crossover tunes. Andrew passed a few years ago, but he was held in such high regard, that his old high school named a new students recording studio after him. On the day of the dedication, many Detroit producers and artists turned up, including Clay McMurray, McKinley Jackson, Woody Wilson and many more, it was a very moving day. Edited July 26, 2011 by Dave Thorley
Ady Croasdell Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 This is a one sided 12" with four tracks. It came from Andrew Smith, who was a session drummer in Detroit, working at Motown and with Dennis Coffey. Andrew produced all the tracks, played and sang on them along with Dennis on guitar. Andrew cut these as a demo, hoping to get a artist deal with Berry, but nothing came of it. Shame as they are very good tracks, 2 ballads and two 60's crossover tunes. Andrew passed a few years ago, but he was held in such high regard, that his old high school named a new students recording studio after him. On the day of the dedication, many Detroit producers and artists turned up, including Clay McMurray, McKinley Jackson, Woody Wilson and many more, it was a very moving day. Andrew moved to NYC with Bob babbit and wrote for Spring artists like Millie Jackson Garland Green and a couple of crackers for Act One like You Didn't Love Me Anyhow
Pete S Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 yes it is, there's also a take by Jimmy himself. Shame many of those Chris sold as original acetates were fakes though (not saying Mal's is btw). Know a few who were duped. New acetates with old label stuck on top of the new label. I also had one of those. Looking back, I think it was a fake, maybe not cut that recently but certainly in the 70's or 80's. I didn't think so to begin with but when it turned out there were two or three, then I started to wthink about it. I did get one really, really interesting thing from Chris which I don't think he gave to anyone else (I could be wrong), it was the original demo version of Chasing My Dream All Over Town which is a very collectable UK release by Jenny Wren on Fontana. This one was mainly piano, slower, great girl vocal - but it only last a minute and a half because a chunk of the lacquer had come off the acetate and it was the only one in existence. I have no idea what I did with it, possibly on one of my old pc's.
Dave Thorley Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Andrew moved to NYC with Bob babbit and wrote for Spring artists like Millie Jackson Garland Green and a couple of crackers for Act One like You Didn't Love Me Anyhow Hi Ady He also worked with Tom Moulton a fair bit in NY
Ady Croasdell Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 yes it is, there's also a take by Jimmy himself. Shame many of those Chris sold as original acetates were fakes though (not saying Mal's is btw). Know a few who were duped. New acetates with old label stuck on top of the new label. That's the problem with acetates you really have to know their provenance and the honesty of their owners all along the way, even to the original label owner in a couple of cases.
Mal C Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 yes it is, there's also a take by Jimmy himself. Shame many of those Chris sold as original acetates were fakes though (not saying Mal's is btw). Know a few who were duped. New acetates with old label stuck on top of the new label. Yeah I had my suspicions on this disc, he had 2 x 45's and a 10 incher he sold Pete smith, somebody on here had the other 45 which I think was being played out at the time?? m
Mal C Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Mal, we had a discussion about that just after you won the DSSI demo. Unfortunately, Ron Murphy was already gone, and so we couldn't ask him. Upon listening to it, we realised it wasn't Jimmy Delphs. We concluded that it must have been the demo "reference" cut for Delphs to use as a model. Here's the link to our thread: https://soulfuldetroi....php/t-560.html Davie Gordon postulated that it might be one of Duane Freeman or George Mallory (the writers). never saw this thread before, thanks Robb, On these Sound lab acetates somebody on here said there were a few come on the market at the time I bought mine, wonder if anybody can cast any light on those discs? Mal
Chalky Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Yeah I had my suspicions on this disc, he had 2 x 45's and a 10 incher he sold Pete smith, somebody on here had the other 45 which I think was being played out at the time?? m He made a lot of money out of the UK soul scene selling fakes as originals. Myself and someone else rumbled him on here and he denied it at first, when I mentioned evidence he said summat like well you'd never have got to hear them otherwise or something like. Don't think he's posted since.
pikeys dog Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 He made a lot of money out of the UK soul scene selling fakes as originals. Myself and someone else rumbled him on here and he denied it at first, when I mentioned evidence he said summat like well you'd never have got to hear them otherwise or something like. Don't think he's posted since. I very nearly bought a couple off him - the tastes sour and another R&B track. The R&B track had another track on the flip, that he was pushing for sale, but I wanted it for the R&B side - when I told him I was only willing to pay 'x' amount for it as I wasn't fussed about the flip, he suddenly magicked a single sided acetate with the track I wanted on. It stunk like a bucket of fish heads left out in the sun, so I backed out on the deal. I know he then sold both the acetates on to other buyers.
Geeselad Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Always wondered bout, jj Barnes sweet sherry, was this first played on acetate, or from the rare stamps LP? anyone ever seen or own an acetate, rather than an emi of this? Edited July 27, 2011 by geeselad
Mark W Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Version of Gene Latter, no artist credited but believed to be unissued Chancellors track. 60s recording of "Black wings.." single sided.
Benji Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Version of Gene Latter, no artist credited but believed to be unissued Chancellors track. Wow, that's nice. Funny Face Girl is a lovely song. Ok, I admit, pretty light weight and poppy but a nice tune nevertheless. What's the Chancellors track like? Similar to Gene Latter or completely different approach.
Mark W Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Wow, that's nice. Funny Face Girl is a lovely song. Ok, I admit, pretty light weight and poppy but a nice tune nevertheless. What's the Chancellors track like? Similar to Gene Latter or completely different approach. It goes like...... mp3 Removed - Site Rules Edited July 27, 2011 by 45cellar mp3 Removed
Benji Posted July 27, 2011 Posted July 27, 2011 Mark, thanks a lot! Lovely version, bit sparse on backing but the group vocals make up for it. If you ever think of selling I might be ....
Pete S Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Mark, thanks a lot! Lovely version, bit sparse on backing but the group vocals make up for it. If you ever think of selling I might be .... I had an unissued version of Funny Face Girl, had it since the late 80's, but can't remember who it's by. I know I put it on one of the Cream Of The Crop cd's but those are a decade old at least and I threw away the masters of those. Dammit I hate it when I can't remember stuff. Just remember it was off a publishers acetate.
Trev Thomas Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 rob marriott used to play a version of funny face girl in the 80's covered up as the ambers
Pete S Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 rob marriott used to play a version of funny face girl in the 80's covered up as the ambers Sounds like that was it - 99% sure it was listed as The Ambers. On the same tape as Charmaines - I'm standing in the need of love.
Mark W Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Sounds like that was it - 99% sure it was listed as The Ambers. On the same tape as Charmaines - I'm standing in the need of love. That's the one, I bought it from Rob back then as the Ambers. Read an article on, I think Soulful kinda music(?), about April & Blackwood acetates saying this was an unissued Chancellors Capcity track which seemed plausible enough, but can't say for sure who it is. Those tapes you mention were in a class of their own for quality unknowns.
Chalky Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 60s recording of "Black wings.." single sided. this ins't mine but here's one of the 70's versions of Black WIngs....
Manfromsoul45s Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 The ambers Charmaines acetate etc came via Jim Wensiora's collection along with this one..
Guest Brett F Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 Just a few from me, thought i'd add a few test pressings too just as a point of interest, the one with no writing on label is the Test Press of Leroy Hutson's LP ' Unforgettable'., The Associates recording studios acetate is an unknown male vocalist, early 60's soul track.
Guest Brett F Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 heres a few from me Wow,i like the Jimmy Burns, brilliant tune, the Dispo is a tough one let alone the acetate, hats off to you. Brett
Andy Rix Posted August 9, 2011 Author Posted August 9, 2011 Same song , different versions ... both unreleased as far as I know Andy
boba Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Same song , different versions ... both unreleased as far as I know Andy the charmaines track got released on Minit. Obviously I don't know if it's the same version as on your acetate, but it was released.
Andy Rix Posted August 11, 2011 Author Posted August 11, 2011 Thanks Boba I did look for a release on the Charmaines when I got it but obviously not hard enough Bee Jays tracks as released on Prime .....
Manfromsoul45s Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Specially for my friend Mr Pountain..versions of the classic Johhny Gilliam tracks... 1
Robbk Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Wow! I had no idea The Bee Jays on Prime was recorded or mastered in Chicago. I had thought that little Detroit label would have done it locally.
Chalky Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Specially for my friend Mr Pountain..versions of the classic Johhny Gilliam tracks... If I've heard these I don't remember hearing, what they like pal?
Manfromsoul45s Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 If I've heard these I don't remember hearing, what they like pal? Only played them out a couple of times. Very good versions
Dave Pinch Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Wow! I had no idea The Bee Jays on Prime was recorded or mastered in Chicago. I had thought that little Detroit label would have done it locally. just off topic a little.. did any one realise that the bee jays, i`ll find you on prime came out with two different label designs and one is 20 seconds longer than the other dave
Anoraks Corner Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Tony Bruno. Not a bonafide NS classic, but nice never the less. Not in the best shape, but £25 inc P&P and it could be hanging on your record room wall!
Dave Thorley Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 This one I picked up on this trip. Uptempo 60's un-released belter from Tabby Thomas, out of Baton Rouge
Dave Thorley Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) Sound file for above Edited August 12, 2011 by Dave Thorley 1
Andy Rix Posted August 12, 2011 Author Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) I think this might have come out of Johnnie Mae Mathews basement but my memory is a little hazy Does anybody know if these tracks were released or not Mr Thorley ... I'm relying on your expertise Andy Edited August 12, 2011 by AndyRix
Dave Thorley Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I think this might have come out of Johnnie Mae Mathews basement but my memory is a little hazy Does anybody know if these tracks were released or not Mr Thorley ... I'm relying on your expertise Andy Just because of you, came out on Polydor, would have to check the rest
Andy Rix Posted August 12, 2011 Author Posted August 12, 2011 Thanks Mr Thorley This one did come from JMM for sure ... Black Nasty & Herbie Thompson - Cut Your Motor Off 1
boba Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I think this might have come out of Johnnie Mae Mathews basement but my memory is a little hazy Does anybody know if these tracks were released or not Mr Thorley ... I'm relying on your expertise Andy "hard times" is unreleased, would love to hear it. The other came out on TEAI and then Polydor. I got an awesome young sirs photo from one of the members, the young sirs became the gaslight.
Dave Thorley Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 "hard times" is unreleased, would love to hear it. The other came out on TEAI and then Polydor. I got an awesome young sirs photo from one of the members, the young sirs became the gaslight. Weren't they also Butch & The Newports 1
boba Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Weren't they also Butch & The Newports yes. butch and the newports are exactly the same group as the gaslight. The young sirs (which is earlier), has two common members, but butch (oliver cheatham) was a member.
Dave Moore Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 Hi Ady, knew about Jefferey Bowen, but I think the Baby Baby and the flip version of Doesn't It Ring A Bell are alternate takes to the LP versions,and the Ace version of Ring A Bell. The backing on Jimmy Sherman is the same as The Coasters but with a different vocal, Cheers, Ady "Adys" I too have a Platters Bell Sound acetate of this. Also Greg Tormo has a Bell Sound acetate of the instrumental/backing track. Regards, Dave
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