Guest Beeks Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Everyone thinks they're a f**king DJ on this scene and 90% of them havn't a clue how to do it..big records or not I asked a similar question on here when I first joined..about how people can afford to buy expensive records..the answer I've found is..they can't..only a very small percentage pay top dollar for records..the latest hotbox monsters that someone else discovered..if you have a good ear and a good source you can pick up great records for peanuts..I'm not even going to tell you some of the profits I've made reselling some speculative sounds..a lot more than the money I've made DJing in this scene put it that way Here's a tip..if you want to stand out as a DJ.. A) At least get a f**king set together B) Try to be original and not chase the box of 20 records that every other soul DJ seems to own..find your own sound..you'll be a lot more satisfied and a lot less out of pocket Personally if a record goes big that I have in my box I tend to play it less and less then just sell it I get a lot more satisfaction from playing obscure records..but perhaps that's just my narcissism taking centre stage Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Everyone thinks they're a f**king DJ on this scene and 90% of them havn't a clue how to do it..big records or not I asked a similar question on here when I first joined..about how people can afford to buy expensive records..the answer I've found is..they can't..only a very small percentage pay top dollar for records..the latest hotbox monsters that someone else discovered..if you have a good ear and a good source you can pick up great records for peanuts..I'm not even going to tell you some of the profits I've made reselling some speculative sounds..a lot more than the money I've made DJing in this scene put it that way Here's a tip..if you want to stand out as a DJ.. A) At least get a f**king set together B) Try to be original and not chase the box of 20 records that every other soul DJ seems to own..find your own sound..you'll be a lot more satisfied and a lot less out of pocket Personally if a record goes big that I have in my box I tend to play it less and less then just sell it I get a lot more satisfaction from playing obscure records..but perhaps that's just my narcissism taking centre stage LOL, tell it like it is Beeks. Wanna share some tunes then? Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) Everyone thinks they're a f**king DJ on this scene and 90% of them havn't a clue how to do it..big records or not I asked a similar question on here when I first joined..about how people can afford to buy expensive records..the answer I've found is..they can't..only a very small percentage pay top dollar for records..the latest hotbox monsters that someone else discovered..if you have a good ear and a good source you can pick up great records for peanuts..I'm not even going to tell you some of the profits I've made reselling some speculative sounds..a lot more than the money I've made DJing in this scene put it that way Here's a tip..if you want to stand out as a DJ.. A) At least get a f**king set together B) Try to be original and not chase the box of 20 records that every other soul DJ seems to own..find your own sound..you'll be a lot more satisfied and a lot less out of pocket Personally if a record goes big that I have in my box I tend to play it less and less then just sell it I get a lot more satisfaction from playing obscure records..but perhaps that's just my narcissism taking centre stage I don't think it's just on this scene Beeks, the same goes on all dance music scenes and it has been that way for the last 20 years or so. At one time a DJs reputation depended on the tunes he had managed to get hold of and play. As I mentioned in another thread, giving someone who isn't a DJ a load of top tunes and asking them to DJ, is the same as giving someone who has no idea about engineering a set of spanners and asking them to build a car. Edited July 12, 2011 by steveLuigi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Phoenix8049 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I totaly agree with Bearsy a good dj is agood dj and i also side with Dave that they must all be original how would you feel if you're up next to do your spot then bang the guy plays a bootleg copy of a record you have just paid £500 upwards for, i know i would be gutted. No your set dose not have to be all £1000 plus records but original YES. Yes i can see your point. But surely you payed 500 quid cause you WANTED the original. not cause you wanted to play the original if you see what i mean. Stu. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 (edited) Everyone thinks they're a f**king DJ on this scene and 90% of them havn't a clue how to do it..big records or not I asked a similar question on here when I first joined..about how people can afford to buy expensive records..the answer I've found is..they can't..only a very small percentage pay top dollar for records..the latest hotbox monsters that someone else discovered..if you have a good ear and a good source you can pick up great records for peanuts..I'm not even going to tell you some of the profits I've made reselling some speculative sounds..a lot more than the money I've made DJing in this scene put it that way Here's a tip..if you want to stand out as a DJ.. A) At least get a f**king set together B) Try to be original and not chase the box of 20 records that every other soul DJ seems to own..find your own sound..you'll be a lot more satisfied and a lot less out of pocket Personally if a record goes big that I have in my box I tend to play it less and less then just sell it I get a lot more satisfaction from playing obscure records..but perhaps that's just my narcissism taking centre stage Not everyone is a DJ Beeks....... I love seeing records I have collected being picked up by DJs and being turned into in demand money things when it turned out they were quite rare. Still looking for the great sounds that may be unknown to most but could turn out to be rare. collecting is also about spending an absolute fortune on that favourite holy grail that you never thought you would ever own. collecting is also about the tunes that are just fooking ace and not rare that you just have to have in your collection. collecting is just so many things collecting is personal What records have you bought for peanuts that have ended up big ? I have a few tales. Edited July 13, 2011 by dancecrasher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 What records have you bought for peanuts that have ended up big ? I have a few tales. That's worth turning into a seperate thread Dancecrasher. If you don't, then I will! Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Wow. Look at that! It's not often that someone acknowledges a mistake! Well done Soulman. You sir, are a gentleman. Luckily you happened to choose one night that I'm hardly likely to forget which incorporated seeing seeing Pat Brady in the afternoon where I flogged him about £7K worth of stuff, followed by numerous bars, clubs, restaurants and then the Griffin, Gary Field buying a cracked Joe Mathews, more sales and bumping into folk I hadn't seen for years, followed by a rave until 8.00am, Cliff's until 9.00am and then a police cell for most of Sunday, a casino and then a 200 mile trip back to London in the early hours of Monday morning. I king hell b*stard of a weekend that was and one I won't forget in a hurry. And I still don't really know the Gracie Dumas record LOL...... By the way, where is Gary these days? Is he OK? Ian D after a weekend like that, i'm supprised you remember your name let alone gracie dumas... havn't seen gary for a couple of years now, if you've got a number for him could you pm it to me Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Everyone thinks they're a f**king DJ on this scene and 90% of them havn't a clue how to do it..big records or not I asked a similar question on here when I first joined..about how people can afford to buy expensive records..the answer I've found is..they can't..only a very small percentage pay top dollar for records..the latest hotbox monsters that someone else discovered..if you have a good ear and a good source you can pick up great records for peanuts..I'm not even going to tell you some of the profits I've made reselling some speculative sounds..a lot more than the money I've made DJing in this scene put it that way Here's a tip..if you want to stand out as a DJ.. A) At least get a f**king set together B) Try to be original and not chase the box of 20 records that every other soul DJ seems to own..find your own sound..you'll be a lot more satisfied and a lot less out of pocket Personally if a record goes big that I have in my box I tend to play it less and less then just sell it I get a lot more satisfaction from playing obscure records..but perhaps that's just my narcissism taking centre stage A voice from the past!!!!....DJ ? - i prefer record monkey .But do agree with A +B ...+ C if you'd marked it up Beeks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Beeks Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 That's worth turning into a seperate thread Dancecrasher. If you don't, then I will! Ian D Oh that should have been C or D on my list Lads NEVER post your wants, obscure gains or how much you paid for any given record on Soul Source..EVER Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 (edited) Oh that should have been C or D on my list Lads NEVER post your wants, obscure gains or how much you paid for any given record on Soul Source..EVER Why not ? A lot of collectors have interesting tales. The old collecting yarns are fascinating imo . Edited July 14, 2011 by dancecrasher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Yeah, someone told me he was still in touch with Richard. He's the kind of guy who can disappear for years and then turn up with handful of ridiculously rare things. I still don't know how he kept turning up with killer records but he always did. I never got Robbie Lawson off him though! Ian D Ian I'm with Gary now and he says if you want the Robbie Lawson he has the original acetate (intro 1234) a 'Bell sound' acetate so def' orig, Gary says how are you Ian hope you're well. Steve. Edited July 14, 2011 by steveLuigi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 you cant argue with that - !!!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Just want to say this has been a good discussion and what soul source is all about, passionate but curteous. Carry on everybody. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Ian I'm with Gary now and he says if you want the Robbie Lawson he has the original acetate (intro 1234) a 'Bell sound' acetate so def' orig, Gary says how are you Ian hope you're well. Steve. Well, I was OK until late yesterday afternoon, when for no apparent reason my left foot started swelling up to an unfeasably large size. So I'm writing this from a hospital A&E in a desperate bid to prevent to stop my left foot exploding LOL. Please give my regards to Gary and tell him I'll be happy to take the Robbie Lawson acetate off his hands. Unfortunately since he dropped off the scene, there's been a precipitous drop in the value of acetates but 'cos he's an old mate I'll give him a tenner. Can you ask him if he'd like a cracked Duke Browner by the way? Ian D Edited July 14, 2011 by Ian Dewhirst Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Swifty Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 " a cracked Duke Browner " - now you would be in A & E with one of them ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 " a cracked Duke Browner " - now you would be in A & E with one of them ! LOL! Very Droll! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest enchantedrythm Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN TASTE THEN MONEY IS THE ANSWER IF YOU DO, WHATS MONEY GOT TO DO WITH IT Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN TASTE THEN MONEY IS THE ANSWER IF YOU DO, WHATS MONEY GOT TO DO WITH IT I like that Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I like that me too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 James Troubles story would have been great for this thread . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 James Troubles story would have been great for this thread . Not heard that one.What's the story? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 James Troubles story would have been great for this thread . do tell Simon, would sum it up really Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 James Troubles story would have been great for this thread . Well James never did me any favours, as most people on here know, but I'm genuinely curious about what happened. Even though he effectively attempted to ruin any level of reputation I have for no reason whatsoever, I'd always actually been quite supportive of his angry young man stance and I'd always been very civil on the couple of occasions I met him. I'm not a fan of 'schadenfreude' (a word which doesn't exist in English but is a German word for someone who takes pleasure from the misfortunes of others), I'm curious about what actually happened to him and the reasons for the fire sale of his records. Does he still DJ or even collect records anymore? What's the story Simon? Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN TASTE THEN MONEY IS THE ANSWER IF YOU DO, WHATS MONEY GOT TO DO WITH IT Ah, but what about if your taste happens to really really want a one-off record that happens to be worth £5K and you don't have the necessary funds at your disposal? Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Well James never did me any favours, as most people on here know, but I'm genuinely curious about what happened. Even though he effectively attempted to ruin any level of reputation I have for no reason whatsoever, I'd always actually been quite supportive of his angry young man stance and I'd always been very civil on the couple of occasions I met him. I'm not a fan of 'schadenfreude' (a word which doesn't exist in English but is a German word for someone who takes pleasure from the misfortunes of others), I'm curious about what actually happened to him and the reasons for the fire sale of his records. Does he still DJ or even collect records anymore? What's the story Simon? Ian D Would it not be better to hear it first hand from James himself, should he wish to talk about it? Winnie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Would it not be better to hear it first hand from James himself, should he wish to talk about it? Winnie Yes I think thats best . I dont even know why he wanted to be a NS Dj to be honest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Yes I think thats best . I dont even know why he wanted to be a NS Dj to be honest He was back on here the other day...you could ask him. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 Would it not be better to hear it first hand from James himself, should he wish to talk about it? Winnie Undoubtably. Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 Yes I think thats best . I dont even know why he wanted to be a NS Dj to be honest An interesting comment in itself. Hiding to nothing? Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 An interesting comment in itself. Hiding to nothing? Ian D To be fair , he got gigs that most young NS DJ's just dream about Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 To be fair , he got gigs that most young NS DJ's just dream about Yep, he was the 'enfante terrible' for sure although I'm not sure how many repeat bookings he got. He wasn't afraid to pay big money for rare records either which kinda brings us right back to the subject of the thread doesn't it..........? Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Yep, he was the 'enfante terrible' for sure although I'm not sure how many repeat bookings he got. He wasn't afraid to pay big money for rare records either which kinda brings us right back to the subject of the thread doesn't it..........? Ian D Ive always had the tiltle of the thread in mind Ian... Ive never acted like Uncle Albert ..."During the War " etc etc Edited July 14, 2011 by Simon M Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Yep, he was the 'enfante terrible' for sure although I'm not sure how many repeat bookings he got. He wasn't afraid to pay big money for rare records either which kinda brings us right back to the subject of the thread doesn't it..........? Ian D he seemed to come from nowhere to djn at all the top events and yep he had some very rare records too many for such a youngster lol so would he of got them bookings without them big money rare records ???? back on thread Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Ive always had the tiltle of the thread in mind Ian... Ive never acted like Uncle Albert ..."During the War " etc etc no you always come out with " i got that from soul bowl for £1.50 in the early 80s" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 no you always come out with " i got that from soul bowl for £1.50 in the early 80s" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 he seemed to come from nowhere to djn at all the top events and yep he had some very rare records too many for such a youngster lol so would he of got them bookings without them big money rare records ???? back on thread Not really, the thread is a hypothetical, this would be about an individual. I have mailed James to see if he wants to comment Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 funny thing is actually did get them for £1.50 form soul bowl Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Not really, the thread is a hypothetical, this would be about an individual. I have mailed James to see if he wants to comment sorry Winnie didnt realise please correct again if i get it wrong again in the future and pass my regards on to James been a long time no see Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) funny thing is actually did get them for £1.50 form soul bowl LOL , I was buying Modern , .. NS was £5 to £50 Edited July 15, 2011 by Simon M Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 ok a hypothetical angle, someone comes into the scene and buys a lot of big money tunes and gets gigs at all the top venues and was very good dj too, would that person of got them bookings without the big money tunes ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gold Band Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 i replied to your post about keeping an eye on the dance floor and making sure your doing your job as a dj and make sure it dont empty, thats what should happen at an oldies night, at a R&U night you souldnt have to worry about the dance floor should should play those rare and underplayed gems YOU beleive in that are good enough, how the fook you gonna know if they are good enough if all you are thinking about is filling a dance floor and by doing that you be in that rut of an oldies dj, bolox to that and fook the dance floor you play what you believe in and if you do then i have a feeling the dance floor will get action if not blame the promoter for hiring you to dj The above comment may come across a bit Cruel Bearsy, playing what you believe in doesn't necessary add up to happy punters got to agree with both of you in a way that if you've got a decent box then try something different but playing to your own tastes all the time has got to be a recipe for disaster unless that's what the paying punters want? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 i replied to your post about keeping an eye on the dance floor and making sure your doing your job as a dj and make sure it dont empty, thats what should happen at an oldies night, at a R&U night you souldnt have to worry about the dance floor should should play those rare and underplayed gems YOU beleive in that are good enough, how the fook you gonna know if they are good enough if all you are thinking about is filling a dance floor and by doing that you be in that rut of an oldies dj, bolox to that and fook the dance floor you play what you believe in and if you do then i have a feeling the dance floor will get action if not blame the promoter for hiring you to dj The above comment may come across a bit Cruel Bearsy, playing what you believe in doesn't necessary add up to happy punters got to agree with both of you in a way that if you've got a decent box then try something different but playing to your own tastes all the time has got to be a recipe for disaster unless that's what the paying punters want? hi ya, i have never said to play whatever you want whenever you want cos you cant really do that at an oldies night and shouldnt but i honestly beleive at a rare and underplayed night you can and should, if you cant be bold and brave and play whatever you want at a r&u night in the music YOU beleive in then it really is time to hang up the dj box and just enjoy listening to everyone playing what everyone wants to hear all the time but then i get confused cos i thought a rare and underplayed night was to bring something different to the night, if you bomb then you simply wont get dj spots if your good and no one knew a tune where do you stand there then ?? i easily get confused but do know that an oldies night is not a place to educate but i also thought a rare and underplayed night was to be you and play your records cos thats why the promoter wanted you in the first place tricky ol scene really in it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 what about if someone earnt £100k a year and spent 10k on tunes is that as bad as someone that earns £20k a year and spends 3k on tunes disposible income is the key and not the value but yep im edging towards you need big money records to really get recognised but not neccaserily with all the scene, now im really confused about what i think Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 ok a hypothetical angle, someone comes into the scene and buys a lot of big money tunes and gets gigs at all the top venues and was very good dj too, would that person of got them bookings without the big money tunes ? No. I can't think of a great technical DJ who ever made it on this scene without rare records. Can anyone? This is one of those scenes where the DJ is only as good as the records he has in his box. Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 No. I can't think of a great technical DJ who ever made it on this scene without rare records. Can anyone? This is one of those scenes where the DJ is only as good as the records he has in his box. Ian D stop it now Ian have you not read that you can be a good dj without rare records but it helps to be recognised at the top im off to bed now the wine is going to me head and not sure if its that or this thread thats making it spin Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) *i easily get confused but do know that an oldies night is not a place to educate* Y'see! this is why this thread is going round in circles. It still is possible to educate at an oldies night, as mentioned what seems ages ago in this thread, there are loads and loads of oldies that don't get played anymore, that were massive back in the day. and there are a lot of folk out there that go to oldies events and hear the same old oldies, and for one reason or another might not have heard a lot of the oldies that don't get played these days. An example might be either that certain venues back in the day had their own big tunes or style of tunes, and if someone frequented one of those venues and might not have ventured much further, they may not have heard some of the tunes that were big at other venues. OR there is a lot of new blood on the scene so they will definitely not have heard ALL of the big oldies that were played at ALL the venues back in the day. So there's the educational part of an oldies scene. This thread could go on for years LOL! Edited July 15, 2011 by steveLuigi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 what about if someone earnt £100k a year and spent 10k on tunes is that as bad as someone that earns £20k a year and spends 3k on tunes disposible income is the key and not the value but yep im edging towards you need big money records to really get recognised but not neccaserily with all the scene, now im really confused about what i think LOL, I think it's pretty simple really. The greatest DJ in the world with 3K worth of records probably wouldn't have the same appeal as the worst DJ in the world with 30K worth of records. Does that make it any easier? Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Beeks Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 WTF is an 'R&U' night? Rhythm & Underpants? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 WTF is an 'R&U' night? Rhythm & Underpants? Might as well be judging by some of the rubbish I've heard played in the name of rare and underplayed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 LOL, I think it's pretty simple really. The greatest DJ in the world with 3K worth of records probably wouldn't have the same appeal as the worst DJ in the world with 30K worth of records. Does that make it any easier? Ian D The greatest Northern DJ probably spent 3k in the last 5 years and its now 50k . His name is Mark Dobson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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