Little-stevie Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 thing is though if he aint got them then he cant play them and like you who took 30 years to get where you wanted to be why should he be fast tracked cos he cant afford the big money tunes everyone and their dog has battered to death since discovered leave it to thise that do have them, what i will never understand is the obsession with so many to become a dj to just play what you can hear every week, is it about the music or is it about themselves ??? sorry if this comes accross as a pop at you as its not its just a reply inline with the thread A reply from mr over easy would take this topic forward, you did start it??? What are these oldies you talk of that you just don't hear?? want to buy to play out?? Maybe more people will understand if a topic starter comes back on certain points raised from his posting???
Chalky Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 having first came on to the scene in 1974 as a 16yr old lad intorduced to this fantastic scene of brill music and superb dancing i was hooked from my first experience of a nottingham palias all dayer.Back in the 70s we were fortunate to have one or two decent shops selling northern soul vinylin in nottingham and in particular selecta disc wich eventualy brought records out on its own black magic label,being a young lad through the 70s to mid 80s i sold three record collections for various reasons. I have just started collecting again mainly because most dj,s play a certain criteria of oldies and miss out many of the real memories i have.The asking price of certain records ive previously owned is ridiculous and we are being ripped off in reality for the asking price even for pressings,the point is we apparently pay over the odds for the demand of these obscure records? point being in a few more years the scene will be none existant do to our age and no young blood coming through to keep it alive.So those of you who have paid out hundreds of pounds will be stuck with the same records and you wouldnt be able to give them away as they will be worthless,only valuable to the owner,think realistically the vast majoirty of soulies are in the early to mid fities and the young age bracket is late 40s do you think in 16 yrs time we will have all nighters or massive get togethers? we will be more concentrating on planning our funerals lol.So dont pay over the ridiculous odds for records as please remember ur paying for a demand wich is gonna die soon just like us and you will be stuck with ur over the odds records,also another point if youve paid stupid money for pressings off certain dealers who also dj they wouldnt entertain you as a dj because you dont own an original copy,classic example of northern soul snobbery and i bet 99 point nine have owned pressings at some point and even played them? ...ktf tommo just being truthfull I could probably retire on the collection I sold in the early/mid 90's, just before those who packed in when Wigan closed returned and pushed prices up again. I had plenty I paid little for that are now worth £100's and in some cases £1000's but hey ho thats life. There are 1000's of cheap obtainable records out there. Stop living on past memories and get out there, get looking and seek new ones.
KevH Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 i got to stick up for my mate here tommo here... the oldies scene is hard one to crack for ne new dj it s took me 30 years to get some niter gigs and its bloody hard work micks right alot of oldies djs play the same oldies and theres so many forgotten ones out there but some oldies are stll rare and expensicve to get ....u gotta have money to buy them micks a great bloke and should not be ridiculed to want to play something diffferent... Well lets hear from Tommo.What records are you finding hard to source? And,which of these records are you trying to play that are different?
Chalky Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 i got to stick up for my mate here tommo here... the oldies scene is hard one to crack for ne new dj it s took me 30 years to get some niter gigs and its bloody hard work micks right alot of oldies djs play the same oldies and theres so many forgotten ones out there but some oldies are stll rare and expensicve to get ....u gotta have money to buy them micks a great bloke and should not be ridiculed to want to play something diffferent... The expensive ones are more often than not Mark the ones everyone is after and playing, Tommo should go after some of the cheap forgotten, underplayed oldies, there's stacks of them out there.
Little-stevie Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) The expensive ones are more often than not Mark the ones everyone is after and playing, Tommo should go after some of the cheap forgotten, underplayed oldies, there's stacks of them out there. One problem maybe with that... I guess the places Tommo goes don't want to hear them ???? thats his dilemma maybe???? some of these oldies events now scream 100% oldies guarantee, not much scope there to mess about with forgotten stuff Edited July 5, 2011 by little-stevie
Suinoz Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Hey Tommo, we are probably all guilty of paying over the so called book price at times but it really doesn't matter as long as you are happy with the final price. Pees me right off when iv'e bought something only for someone to say ' Oh you could have got it a bit cheaper from so and so ". If i'm happy who gives a monkey's ? You know the old saying mate.." you can't take it with you ". Plus i'm not a tight wad. Anyway I thought you wre coming out to OZ. What happened there ? Tony.
Wiganer1 Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 there sure is chalky ,, then you got the problem of finding a spot to play them and an audience to dance to them...its a jungle out there but its keeps us talking i guess.. i dont care if all my records are worth 50p each the pleasure ive had collecting is worth more than any value i could put on them.. good luck to tommo...hes a great bloke..
Chalky Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 One problem maybe with that... I guess the places Tommo goes don't want to hear them ???? thats his dilemma maybe???? some of these oldies events now scream 100% oldies guarantee, not much scope there to mess about with forgotten stuff plenty of places playing something different, forgotten, underplayed or whatever tag you want to nail to them.
Guest MrC Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Why do I keep spending at least £100 a month on records????? Because I'm addicted to it and love it What will happen to them when I die....fook knows.....my daughter will probably sell them and treat her kids with the money Think that's hit the nail on the head! I spend £100-£150 a month on records because it's an addiction and I love it too! As for my daughter selling them, wo't happen, she's started paying half towards some records I buy if they're things she really likes, and she's already made me sign (and have witnessed) a note saying that my records get left to her and she won't make a claim for any other part of my "estate" when I die!! AND she's only in her 20's!
KevH Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 I dont think this thread is about underplayed etc.Its about justifying playing boots instead of the more expensive well known originals.
Guest soul over easy Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 ok ive read all the replies thanx to everyones comments.I am not a dj i have done a couple of minor spots localy recently and i dont wish to be a dj,id rather be out there dancing having a good time.What prompted me to start buying records again, be them original,pressings, or re issues of wich i have a mix and that doesnt bother me at all and never as? im more concerned with obtaining a record that i really like.As for oldies dj,s i go to most of our local events ,plus further afield etc, i ask dj,s even big name dj,s for records only to be told in most cases they havent got it or they havent got it with them?.You hear the argument regularly about oldies dj,s playing the same old stuff...well ive requested stuff like edie walker /good guys... sweet three / i would if i could etc etc and dj,s dont have them ? theyre not rare records and have had decent plays over the years along with many more... so i thought if i aint gonna here them anymore id try and collect for my own satisfaction.Now im obviously way out of touch seeing its 27yrs since i last brought a northern record and also since i sold my last collection,and i am shocked at the asking prices of records ive previously owned be them originals or pressings.I will be at stoke if anybody would like to discuss the matter with me. ktf tommo.
Mak Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 "Slipmat" Steve L.... , kinnell Kev nearly pissed mtself at that.
Mak Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 having first came on to the scene in 1974 as a 16yr old lad introduced to this fantastic scene of brill music and superb dancing i was hooked from my first experience of a nottingham palais all dayer.Back in the 70s we were fortunate to have one or two decent shops selling northern soul vinyl in in nottingham and in particular selectadisc which eventually brought records out on its own black magic label,being a young lad through the 70s to mid 80s i sold three record collections for various reasons. I have just started collecting again mainly because most djs play a certain criteria of oldies and miss out many of the real memories i have. price of certain records ive previously owned is ridiculous and we are being ripped off in reality for the asking price even for pressings,the point is we apparently pay over the odds for the demand of these obscure records? point being in a few more years the scene will be none existent do to our age and no young blood coming through to keep it alive.So those of you who have paid out hundreds of pounds will be stuck with the same records and you wouldnt be able to give them away as they will be worthless,only valuable to the owner,think realistically the vast majority of souls are in the early to mid fifties and the young age bracket is late 40s do you think in 16 yrs time we will have all nighters or massive get togethers? we will be more concentrating on planning our funerals lol.So dont pay over the ridiculous odds for records as please remember Ur paying for a demand which is gonna die soon just like us and you will be stuck with ur over the odds records,also another point if youve paid stupid money for pressings off certain dealers who also dj they would entertain you as a dj because you dont own an original copy,classic example of northern soul snobbery and i bet 99 point nine have owned pressings at some point and even played them? ...ktf tommo just being truthful No disrespect Tommo , but why don't you broaden your horizons , and travel just that bit further . There are venues outside of the EM that play wonderful stuff , not just the same old same old . Also if you really want that record , the one you have been chasing for a decade , then it is well worth the price to yourself . I for one most certainly did own pressings back in the early 70's from the very shops you talk about . That was because in them days it was basically the only way to own them . Today there is no need for them , and I would NEVER knowingly play one out if asked to DJ . Our area is awash with ''DJ'S'' who play there boxes of shitty pressings , it makes a mockery of the real collectors and DJ'S who do all the hard work searching and sifting the net . I for one would'nt would'nt call that snobbery . Just trying to be truthful .
Liljimmycrank Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Possibly the most basic of economic principles; SUPPLY AND DEMAND. If something's in heavy demand, yet supply is low then of course the price is going to be high. A popular record that lots of people want, whether it be an oldie or something discovered last month by a top jock and now people are prepared to swap their wife for a copy! It's still the same principle. Fact is, if you want it now you pay the going rate (rare, underplayed, unknown, forgotten oldies, whatever). Shop around as not everyone will have said record listed at that rate but it's still a rate you have to pay if you want the record, or check out auctions as by nature they're not at a fixed price and you might get lucky. Another alternative would be to get your crystal ball out and predict the future - find the new discoveries before they're discovered, predict the records that are going to be re-activated, predict who's gonna die and when so you can buy their rarest records........Or better still predict all the lottery's in the world so you can buy all soul records ever produced and set your own prices. ***insert picture of mystic meg if applicable***
Steve L Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 , kinnell Kev nearly pissed mtself at that. Watch it Tony :lol:
Davetay Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 I for one most certainly did own pressings back in the early 70's from the very shops you talk about . That was because in them days it was basically the only way to own them . No it wasn't , there where lots of places to get OV from if you took the time to look. No internet back than, but loads of shops etc up and down the country that had US stuff, record exchanges and second hand shops for UK stuff. Dealers selling OV on lists or on stalls etc, buy or swap off other collecters or best of the lot go to the States and find them yourself.
Mal C Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Not easy to add much to a thread like this, other than to say I personally buy anything, if its good, if its expensive, I generally wait till I get one at a price I'm prepared to pay, otherwise its on the i-pod, or Pete Smiths old i-pod... cheers Pete.. I think after a while you start to see what are really rare records and what are over proced common records, I'm lucky in that I kept allot of the cheaper older stuff that I paid 10 quid for back in the late 8ts early 9ts, and I would feel a tad pissed at paying some of the prices I see on stuff like Tammy Wayne, Lorraine Rudolf, Ruby Winters etc etc, so I feel your pain there Tommo.. That said, shop about, there is always something new, something not allot of others are chasing, take me buying the Soul Injection - Stay of the moon for $10, on Ebay no less... always bargins to be had Tommo if you can be bothered to look... that's what i think.. Mal.C.
Guest rach Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Translation courtesy of the pat. pending Godzilla International Double-Speak Decipherer: "I would like to have lots of records that I once owned when they were cheaper. I would like to buy them all again but am not prepared to pay current prices. Therefore you should all stop buying these records so that the price drops and I am able to buy them again. Please sell me cheap records. Thank you". brilliant! I would worry more about what you will play them on in years to come
Guest Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 ok, sorry for my posts being a bit strong. I just get really hacked of with the doom, the end of the scene type of things. In my view people will be discovering and collecting vintage Soul for ever - the music is there - collectors all over the world are digging away. In the same way as collecting Jamaican 60s music has evolved. Serious buyers from The Far East to all over Europe and beyond ! I actually feel that general prices for records (along with cars and houses etc.) have come down in the last few years with the recession, and it has been a great time for buying. I just buy what I like for the price I am prepared to pay. I buy all sorts of records , big oldies, obscure and interesting things, latin stuff, rnb things, ska and rocksteady..... When a record does it for me - Then the hunt begins. I absolutely love it !
Mak Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 No it wasn't , there where lots of places to get OV from if you took the time to look. No internet back than, but loads of shops etc up and down the country that had US stuff, record exchanges and second hand shops for UK stuff. Dealers selling OV on lists or on stalls etc, buy or swap off other collecters or best of the lot go to the States and find them yourself. Not to many in the middle of Derbyshire , it meant a near two hour bus or train trip to either Nottingham , or even longer to Liecester or Birmingham . In them days I was earning £6.50 a week so traveling to various parts of the country was a no-goer (unless it was football of course) , so time was jot on my hands i'm affraid . Never the less I have more than made up for my sins in later life , much to the digust of my disgruntled missus
Steve L Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Not to many in the middle of Derbyshire , it meant a near two hour bus or train trip to either Nottingham , or even longer to Liecester or Birmingham . In them days I was earning £6.50 a week so traveling to various parts of the country was a no-goer (unless it was football of course) , so time was jot on my hands i'm affraid . Never the less I have more than made up for my sins in later life , much to the digust of my disgruntled missus I thought you told her they're all cheap pressings that you buy
Davetay Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Not to many in the middle of Derbyshire , it meant a near two hour bus or train trip to either Nottingham , or even longer to Liecester or Birmingham . In them days I was earning £6.50 a week so traveling to various parts of the country was a no-goer (unless it was football of course) , so time was jot on my hands i'm affraid . Never the less I have more than made up for my sins in later life , much to the digust of my disgruntled missus That must have been a pisser, having nowhere to look for records near where you live. I was lucky that way living in the north-west, and it was quite easy to jump the train to London to go hunting as well. Used to work all over Lancs and West Yorks so spent many a dinner time looking for records. Like you (apart from the odd London trip) the only reason I was up and down the country every other weekend was the football. Untill Cleethorps all-nighters opened in 75, all nights out where in one hours drive, most in under 30mins. Wage wise, take home pay £3.60 a week in 71 up to £40.00 in 80.
Guest soul over easy Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 nows theres an interesting comment from davetay and mak both mention other than traveling to records shops etc in in search of northern, they would travel also for the footy games,i remeber when i was going down the city ground in the mid 70s to late 70s quite alot of the footy lads was into soul,and quite often you would see away fans sporting various nighter badges.Saturdays for me would be buying records be them pressings or originals from selecta disc,looking for flat leather soul shoes,clothes etc,a trip down the city ground and off souling somewhere at night brill times...
Pete S Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 That must have been a pisser, having nowhere to look for records near where you live. I was lucky that way living in the north-west, and it was quite easy to jump the train to London to go hunting as well. Used to work all over Lancs and West Yorks so spent many a dinner time looking for records. Like you (apart from the odd London trip) the only reason I was up and down the country every other weekend was the football. Untill Cleethorps all-nighters opened in 75, all nights out where in one hours drive, most in under 30mins. Wage wise, take home pay £3.60 a week in 71 up to £40.00 in 80. When you got a quid pocket money and 1.50 a week paper round money, it was difficult to put much of a collection together back in 1975.
Mak Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) I thought you told her they're all cheap pressings that you buy Don't buy any more Steve ,just swap .Usually one out , three in Edited July 6, 2011 by MAK
Guest MrC Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 When you got a quid pocket money and 1.50 a week paper round money, it was difficult to put much of a collection together back in 1975. This thread is starting to get somewhat reminiscent of Monty Pythons "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch!
Davetay Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) nows theres an interesting comment from davetay and mak both mention other than traveling to records shops etc in in search of northern, they would travel also for the footy games,i remeber when i was going down the city ground in the mid 70s to late 70s quite alot of the footy lads was into soul,and quite often you would see away fans sporting various nighter badges.Saturdays for me would be buying records be them pressings or originals from selecta disc,looking for flat leather soul shoes,clothes etc,a trip down the city ground and off souling somewhere at night brill times... Leather soled shoes, now that was a nice little earner 74ish. There was a ex-army store near us, that sold Romanian army dress shoes at 50p a pair, sold these on at £2 a pair at Wigan. Alot of the lads from Blackburn & Clitheroe used to sell them (some lads got as much as £4 a pair). I also sold a fair few Leather coats, my workmate's sister was married to a guy that part-owned a tannery. Edited July 6, 2011 by davetay
Davetay Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 When you got a quid pocket money and 1.50 a week paper round money, it was difficult to put much of a collection together back in 1975. See what you mean Pete, I was age 20 in 75 and getting a wage of £18. I was selling records and clothes, so it give me extra cash to spend.
Pete S Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 See what you mean Pete, I was age 20 in 75 and getting a wage of £18. I was selling records and clothes, so it give me extra cash to spend. Nearest we got to a rare record, apart from watching someone else play it, was to save up a fiver for an emidisc from Sundown records in Wolverhampton
Guest MrC Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 Nearest we got to a rare record, apart from watching someone else play it, was to save up a fiver for an emidisc from Sundown records in Wolverhampton One lucky person did manage to get Chunky Phils original Dena Barnes for the cost of a pressing from Sundown I seem to remember. 1st day the pressings came in and Phil was on his lunch - oh dear, one of the upstairs lot sold it by mistake....
Pete S Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 One lucky person did manage to get Chunky Phils original Dena Barnes for the cost of a pressing from Sundown I seem to remember. 1st day the pressings came in and Phil was on his lunch - oh dear, one of the upstairs lot sold it by mistake.... Paul you're sort of right but unless it happened twice, it was actually Delrays Inc - Destination Unknown, Mickey Cope got it and took it to Birmingham and sold it same day. Well that's what he said. There was never any proof...
Guest soul over easy Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 regarding davetay comment selling leather flat sole shoes 74 ish for two quid... bloody wished you had a shop back then in nottingham i was paying 17quid a pair from images in our city centre lol.
KevH Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 That must have been a pisser, having nowhere to look for records near where you live. I was lucky that way living in the north-west, and it was quite easy to jump the train to London to go hunting as well. Used to work all over Lancs and West Yorks so spent many a dinner time looking for records. Like you (apart from the odd London trip) the only reason I was up and down the country every other weekend was the football. Untill Cleethorps all-nighters opened in 75, all nights out where in one hours drive, most in under 30mins. Wage wise, take home pay £3.60 a week in 71 up to £40.00 in 80. Similar for me Dave as for Mak,i lived on fresh air during the Wigan years so mainly cheap boots for me.
KevH Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 nows theres an interesting comment from davetay and mak both mention other than traveling to records shops etc in in search of northern, they would travel also for the footy games,i remeber when i was going down the city ground in the mid 70s to late 70s quite alot of the footy lads was into soul,and quite often you would see away fans sporting various nighter badges.Saturdays for me would be buying records be them pressings or originals from selecta disc,looking for flat leather soul shoes,clothes etc,a trip down the city ground and off souling somewhere at night brill times... Not much has changed Tommo.
Steve L Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 regarding davetay comment selling leather flat sole shoes 74 ish for two quid... bloody wished you had a shop back then in nottingham i was paying 17quid a pair from images in our city centre lol. Just had a pair of leathers re-soled for the first time in years.... nearly died when the cobbler told me how much - £35 And that was the cheapest option, could have been £60 if i'd have wanted a different quality leather. BTW what was this topic about???
Tony A Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 BTW what was this topic about??? Paying over the odds for Cheap boots I think, or in your case shoes.
Steve L Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 BTW what was this topic about??? Paying over the odds for Cheap boots I think, or in your case shoes. Like it
Dave Moore Posted July 6, 2011 Posted July 6, 2011 No it wasn't , there where lots of places to get OV from if you took the time to look. No internet back than, but loads of shops etc up and down the country that had US stuff, record exchanges and second hand shops for UK stuff. Dealers selling OV on lists or on stalls etc, buy or swap off other collecters or best of the lot go to the States and find them yourself. And happy days they were Matey eh? More miles you did, more records you found! Regards, Dave
Chris L Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) So dont pay over the ridiculous odds for records as please remember ur paying for a demand wich is gonna die soon just like us and you will be stuck with ur over the odds records,also another point if youve paid stupid money for pressings off certain dealers who also dj they wouldnt entertain you as a dj because you dont own an original copy,classic example of northern soul snobbery and i bet 99 point nine have owned pressings at some point and even played them? ...ktf tommo just being truthfull The record selling business is nowhere near the dizzy heights of 2006/2008. John Manships price guide just doesn't work for most NS records, when I want to buy a record I get the price quoted often followed swiftly by "it books at................." normally more than the dealer is asking. You can find most records you want nowadays at a far, far cheaper price than 3 or 4 years ago. When you visit Popsike you can see the evolution of pricing since 2005 perfectly, it's downwards for most records. As Smokey Bacon once said "Better shop around.................................. Edited July 8, 2011 by Chris L
soulsalmon Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Leather soled shoes, now that was a nice little earner 74ish. There was a ex-army store near us, that sold Romanian army dress shoes at 50p a pair, sold these on at £2 a pair at Wigan. Alot of the lads from Blackburn & Clitheroe used to sell them (some lads got as much as £4 a pair). I also sold a fair few Leather coats, my workmate's sister was married to a guy that part-owned a tannery. Was that in an old mill Dave ?,the shoe place i mean ,what was it called ?
Bitchdj Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 nows theres an interesting comment from davetay and mak both mention other than traveling to records shops etc in in search of northern, they would travel also for the footy games,i remeber when i was going down the city ground in the mid 70s to late 70s quite alot of the footy lads was into soul,and quite often you would see away fans sporting various nighter badges.Saturdays for me would be buying records be them pressings or originals from selecta disc,looking for flat leather soul shoes,clothes etc,a trip down the city ground and off souling somewhere at night brill times... When you were going to the City ground in the 70's , you were passing one of the best "Northern Soul Clubs" of its day , in The Brit , ( "The Britannia Rowing Club" ) , great nights on a monthly basis . There were always plenty of great "original" records for sale down by the River Trent , without going any further afield to get 'em ! ! I believe Mick H. reactivated the venue in the very late '90's and early Noughties for a short while.
Ezzie Brown Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 when i was 16 i used to have relatives in manc, and spent all my money on clothes and records when up there visiting,and for a while working , and for me soul and the now mcdonalds /coke advert vehicle that is football was interlinked cos both were frequented by the same people , you just felt at home amongst your own ..we used to leave gloucester on a friday and get back sunday evening ...and end up in the local shit tip club... who had "chairman of the board , edwin star stylistics real thing " etc on regularly.... soul was mainstream in many ways , chart artists also had tunes only the soulies knew , it was great ........... but move on.... its gone..............when there is never a record i havent heard that i desire on e bay or in someones set..............then .....i may .just may wanna go out and listen to records i have heard 100s of times before ...........what this thread is about i know longer recall or care .........not used to bein in on a saturday...cheers ez
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