SOULCENTRAL Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 WELL HERE WE ARE ON SOULSOURCE READING THE FORUMS AND LOOKING AT ALL THINGS SOULFUL BUT HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHAT IS SOUL? The collins english dictionary defines SOUL as: Spiritual and immortal part of human beings Deep and sincere feelings Black music combining gospel,blues and pop Soulful-full of emotion In a musical context the above references just about covers the aspects of why we regard certain records we all love as SOUL. I personally would not regard blues as SOUL but would regard some gospel and the odd r&b record as being SOULFUL. Back in the days of the Torch,Mecca/Casino etc i do not believe that many of the people(myself included) who frequented these establishments were particularly bothered wether the records we were dancing to at the time were SOUL. The only thing that mattered in those days was if it had a great dance beat and paid little attention to the lyrics or the lack of them. After all many of the tunes being played were not mass released and artists were unheard of. I am sure many of the dj's back in the day will disagree with that opinion but there was some real dross played at the time which masqueraded as Northern Soul ie, Rat Race. Today there seems to be the divide between Northern Soulies(those who love to dance and listen to the old classics) and the modern/crossover/70s crowd who dance and listen to something a little different. Who are the ones who regard themselves as being lovers and followers of SOUL music?. Hopefully both will, but to do so must surely embrace aspects of both divisions. I was speaking with Tommy Hunt the other week and asked him what he felt was SOUL to which he replied - SOUL is about life and love the pain and passion and when put into music is sang from the heart with your deepest feeling. That just about sums it up for me when i first got bitten by this music called SOUL. Would be nice to hear of some other opinions on this but please from your own perspective. ROY
Mark S Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Each different genre of musichas a template that makes it instantly recognisable so if you hear a ska tune you know instantly what it is rock etc soul is no different , ok we can be all sentimental and talk about feelings etc but that doesnt explain soulful instrumentals . So for me soul is just a tag to label a particular musical style .
Winnie :-) Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 this question has been asked so many times and as ever there is no difinitive answer, it's the tiniest bit different to each person, the only constant is an emotional connection and that goes for every genre of music IMO
Pete S Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 I love Rat Race - absolutely monstrous Northern Soul instrumental from my early days.
KevH Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) I love Rat Race - absolutely monstrous Northern Soul instrumental from my early days. Me too Pete.Instrumentals can have soul. Edited June 29, 2011 by KevH
Ceejay Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) WELL HERE WE ARE ON SOULSOURCE READING THE FORUMS AND LOOKING AT ALL THINGS SOULFUL BUT HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHAT IS SOUL? The collins english dictionary defines SOUL as: Spiritual and immortal part of human beings Deep and sincere feelings Black music combining gospel,blues and pop I personally would not regard blues as SOUL but would regard some gospel and the odd r&b record as being SOULFUL. I was speaking with Tommy Hunt the other week and asked him what he felt was SOUL to which he replied - SOUL is about life and love the pain and passion and when put into music is sang from the heart with your deepest feeling. That just about sums it up for me when i first got bitten by this music called SOUL. Would be nice to hear of some other opinions on this but please from your own perspective. ROY If you agree with TommyHunt's comments...................then I find it really hard to comprehend why you don't regard 'blues' as soul. Blues singers sang about LIFE, HARDSHIP, PAIN.........................ABOUT AS SOULFUL AS IT GETS IN MY BOOK!!! Edited June 29, 2011 by jobbo
SOULCENTRAL Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 I love Rat Race - absolutely monstrous Northern Soul instrumental from my early days. A monster Northern Soul Dance record from the early days and still does make the hairs on the arms stand up. However i still believe it was dismal from a soul perspective and can't understand why anyone would regard it as Soulful. ROY
SOULCENTRAL Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 If you agree with TommyHunt's comments...................then I find it really hard to comprehend why you don't regard 'blues' as soul. Blues singers sang about LIFE, HARDSHIP, PAIN.........................ABOUT AS SOULFUL AS IT GETS IN MY BOOK!!! HI JOBBO, Got to admit you have made a good point here however i have always regarded blues as something that grew out of the despair that many american blacks felt when expressing their feelings in music, regarding their lot in life. Soul music seems to be predominantly about love and relationships. As the dictionary quote stated Soul has blues and other genres within it. I do agree with what Tommy said in principle but felt it important to get an informed opinion from him as his experiences and career spans many decades. ROY
Geeselad Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Blues singers sang about LIFE, HARDSHIP, PAIN.........................ABOUT AS SOULFUL AS IT GETS IN MY BOOK!!! well so do country singers and reggae artist, but its not neccasarly soul, blues tends to focus on one element of life, black folk tendend to express there joy of life through a different genre, gospel. Both gospel and Blues can be soulful of course but are not soul in entirley Edited June 30, 2011 by chalky quote tags edited
Guest FunKPunK Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Perhaps this is the answer - just let the 18 everyday people clue you in Edited June 29, 2011 by FunKPunK
Algsoul Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 what is sole,its the things i put on shoes every day when you hear a record for the first time and it sends shivers down your spine that is soul
Little-stevie Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) The dictionary talked about soul long before some person stuck the lable on it to a certain style of music.. There is soul in most aspects of music if not all i guess... There is more soul in blues/ gospel/jazz/ than in many of the northern soul records, the blues/ gospel etc is from the very place the soul belongs and thats the heart.... Many northern soul records have made the grade on the scene for the beat alone, they have nothing at all to do with anything heart... I have always gone for the more soulful side of the northern scene... Its the heart before the beat for me always..... The mountain top is when the pounding beat and the heart come together in one tune, that sound and feeling that drives you onto the dancefloor is the greatest emotion alive for me.. The Likes of J B Troy and "Live ON" are what mean as heart,beat and soul... Thousands of others tooooo... But i love my deep soul too, nothing to do with dancing at all but no person could ever tell me it aint got worth.. Deep soul ballads maybe carry the most of what we call soul... We all have an heart ( well, most folk anyway ) , you are the one that knows your heart the best and you decide whats soul for you, its not for others to tell you.. There is no keeper of the castle... Some think they are Its an individual feeling, when that feeling is in tune with many more i n a room its a powerful and intoxicating mix that can give you the experience of a lifetime.. All my own opinion of course.... There aint no wrong and right, its all opinion.... But... Its soul or nothing! Edited June 30, 2011 by little-stevie
Little-stevie Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Looking at the topic just started above about Amnesia records, maybe its easier to talk about " what aint soul" Best get on with feeling this thing we call soul.... long time dead...
SOULCENTRAL Posted June 30, 2011 Author Posted June 30, 2011 The dictionary talked about soul long before some person stuck the lable on it to a certain style of music.. There is soul in most aspects of music if not all i guess... There is more soul in blues/ gospel/jazz/ than in many of the northern soul records, the blues/ gospel etc is from the very place the soul belongs and thats the heart.... Many northern soul records have made the grade on the scene for the beat alone, they have nothing at all to do with anything heart... I have always gone for the more soulful side of the northern scene... Its the heart before the beat for me always..... The mountain top is when the pounding beat and the heart come together in one tune, that sound and feeling that drives you onto the dancefloor is the greatest emotion alive for me.. The Likes of J B Troy and "Live ON" are what mean as heart,beat and soul... Thousands of others tooooo... But i love my deep soul too, nothing to do with dancing at all but no person could ever tell me it aint got worth.. Deep soul ballads maybe carry the most of what we call soul... We all have an heart ( well, most folk anyway ) , you are the one that knows your heart the best and you decide whats soul for you, its not for others to tell you.. There is no keeper of the castle... Some think they are Its an individual feeling, when that feeling is in tune with many more i n a room its a powerful and intoxicating mix that can give you the experience of a lifetime.. All my own opinion of course.... There aint no wrong and right, its all opinion.... But... Its soul or nothing! HI STEVIE, What a great post in response to my post,blew me away!. Many of the sentiments you have expressed reflect peoples opinion on what is SOUL. As you say there is no right or wrong opinion and its all down to the individual on the day but it is great to get peoples perspective on what is an emotional and sometimes contentious subject. For many, a life without soul is no life at all, such is the depth of peoples love/passion for the music. ROY
Little-stevie Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) life without true soul would be like me falling into a barrel of breasts and i just come out sucking my thumb.... No life at all..... or Mansfield without Banjo's.... Edited June 30, 2011 by little-stevie
Patto Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 The dictionary talked about soul long before some person stuck the lable on it to a certain style of music.. There is soul in most aspects of music if not all i guess... There is more soul in blues/ gospel/jazz/ than in many of the northern soul records, the blues/ gospel etc is from the very place the soul belongs and thats the heart.... Many northern soul records have made the grade on the scene for the beat alone, they have nothing at all to do with anything heart... I have always gone for the more soulful side of the northern scene... Its the heart before the beat for me always..... The mountain top is when the pounding beat and the heart come together in one tune, that sound and feeling that drives you onto the dancefloor is the greatest emotion alive for me.. The Likes of J B Troy and "Live ON" are what mean as heart,beat and soul... Thousands of others tooooo... But i love my deep soul too, nothing to do with dancing at all but no person could ever tell me it aint got worth.. Deep soul ballads maybe carry the most of what we call soul... We all have an heart ( well, most folk anyway ) , you are the one that knows your heart the best and you decide whats soul for you, its not for others to tell you.. There is no keeper of the castle... Some think they are Its an individual feeling, when that feeling is in tune with many more i n a room its a powerful and intoxicating mix that can give you the experience of a lifetime.. All my own opinion of course.... There aint no wrong and right, its all opinion.... But... Its soul or nothing! Brilliant post Stevie,Agree that when the Heart jumps in bed with the beat thats when the Soul gets its kicks.Most complete Northern Soul record for me has this perfect combination and thats JUDY FREEMAN--HOLD ON--RCA real shiver material.Although some of the Beat stompers that at first sound uninspiring can be transformed when you dance to them shoulder to shoulder with your mates in a venue that you love, and at this point the heart pours out and soul is generated from the experience ,if you know what i mean Once during a Clifton Hall nighter a guy was rambling on about soul typical mid nighter drivel when all of a sudden he said something that i have since remembered for 30 years.He said SOUL music is raw human emotion in audible form,and NORTHERN SOUL is raw human emotion in danceable form. I have encounted soul in,Stompers,Instrumentals,R&B,Ballads,Crossover,and Modern records,sometimes its all dependent on your mood,company,and state of mind but long may it continue.
Little-stevie Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 He said " SOUL music is raw human emotion in audible form,and NORTHERN SOUL is raw human emotion in danceable form". As good a description as i have heard Patto..
Simsy Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Wilson Pickett explained it to Ringo (apparently) as "nothing but a feeling". Levi Stubbs just sort of nodded and said "Black".. With regards musical tastes, there will always be those "yeah I like a bit of everything" types and that's fine, we all like a bit of everything - so to speak. However those whose faces are contorted listening and or dancing to 'the Panic is On' or 'The Drifter' get the message (it seems) on an altogether clearer, more spiritual level. A love of good soul music will never go away.
manus Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 The dictionary talked about soul long before some person stuck the lable on it to a certain style of music.. There is soul in most aspects of music if not all i guess... There is more soul in blues/ gospel/jazz/ than in many of the northern soul records, the blues/ gospel etc is from the very place the soul belongs and thats the heart.... Many northern soul records have made the grade on the scene for the beat alone, they have nothing at all to do with anything heart... I have always gone for the more soulful side of the northern scene... Its the heart before the beat for me always..... The mountain top is when the pounding beat and the heart come together in one tune, that sound and feeling that drives you onto the dancefloor is the greatest emotion alive for me.. The Likes of J B Troy and "Live ON" are what mean as heart,beat and soul... Thousands of others tooooo... But i love my deep soul too, nothing to do with dancing at all but no person could ever tell me it aint got worth.. Deep soul ballads maybe carry the most of what we call soul... We all have an heart ( well, most folk anyway ) , you are the one that knows your heart the best and you decide whats soul for you, its not for others to tell you.. There is no keeper of the castle... Some think they are Its an individual feeling, when that feeling is in tune with many more i n a room its a powerful and intoxicating mix that can give you the experience of a lifetime.. All my own opinion of course.... There aint no wrong and right, its all opinion.... But... Its soul or nothing! Nice one Steve
KevH Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 life without true soul would be like me falling into a barrel of breasts and i just come out sucking my thumb.... No life at all..... or Mansfield without Banjo's.... That's unthinkable Steve.
Flanny Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT YOU DONT GET IT IT STARTS WITH THE GREATEST INTRUMENT IN THE WHOLE WORLD THE VOICE OF BLACK AMERICA
SOULCENTRAL Posted June 30, 2011 Author Posted June 30, 2011 IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT YOU DONT GET IT IT STARTS WITH THE GREATEST INTRUMENT IN THE WHOLE WORLD THE VOICE OF BLACK AMERICA HI FLANNY, You don't have to explain it just give your interpretation of it!!!!!!!! ROY
Andy Reynard Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 My interpretation is ,JOHNNY MAE MATHEWS, "I HAVE NO CHOICE" a tune which depicts a song, sung right from the soul for Herself performing for others is neither here or there, from her heart for her. or id like to think so.IMHO
lorchand Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) What a wonderful discussion and so appropos. And guess what, everyone will have the correct answer! This is like discussing religion. If you believe in a higher power, it's whatever it is you you and you alone. For example, Etta James' At Last is the most soulful song I know, while Gladys Knights/Pips, Midnight Train to Georgia is sung with so much soul (emotion). Eddie Parker's Love You Baby, while danceable and sellable doesn't touch I'm Gone on the soul radar. When I hear the Four Tops' Sugar Pie Honey Bunch next to Baby I Need Your Loving, no comparison. There are voices that stop you in your tracks. When I hear Johnny Mathis, recorded or live, it's just a gift. Michael Jackson live was unforgettable and rates in my top ten for putting on a show. He takes you there, leaves you there and you have no idea of how you are going to get back. Your John Barrowman's voice is incredible. While I've never heard him live, his recordings are superb and makes me shake my head and say 'yeah'! Patti LaBelle is incredible, she can sing anything and to hear her live is something to behold. Early Al Green would make me want to moan. The artist that I've mentioned above have soul and are soulful in their own way. We are so lucky to record soul and relive those soulful moment over and over again. Having soul or being soulful, stirs your very being and gives you definition for a few moments in time. It's not black or white, it is the color of emotion, a mind and body massage that takes your breath away. Every artist or song will not elicit those soulful feelings out of you, but when they do, you know it. That's my two cents/pence on the subject. Lorraine Edited July 1, 2011 by lorchand
lorchand Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 He said " SOUL music is raw human emotion in audible form,and NORTHERN SOUL is raw human emotion in danceable form". As good a description as i have heard Patto.. And it is well said and in one sentence. Lorraine
Patto Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 And it is well said and in one sentence. Lorraine And one of the most AUDIBLE and DANCEABLE is LORRAINE CHANDLER--I CAN'T HOLD ON Knocked me sideways when i first heard it
Little-stevie Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Yes a nice topic and it shows how many of us can get our fix from different sounds... One persons pleasure is another persons poison.... Was gonna put mans but its pc Friday... As Roy says, its not about trying to explain the what soul is really, its letting us all know what soul is to you... I find my soul in so many different ways.. It can be the expression for brief moment on a persons face as the tune plays, that moment can remain for a lifetime in my memory.. The first time i was ever on the dancefloor the same time as my wife dancing to the Rock Masters.. Having a quite moment and playing " just as long as you need me" the Four tops after hearing of the death of Levi Stubbs... The first time i ever heard Pyramid at Warrington Parr Hall.. Sitting with frinds in an upstairs bedroom and hearing Lou Rawls, "DEAD END STREET" for the first time, plenty jazz fags and 12 repeats later and still it was not enough.. When Linda Jones sings " Dont Go ".... When Fontella Bass sings "Talkin about freedom ", ....when the Captions say " turn out the lights".... when Jo Wallace played " let me down easy" at 4am at the 100 club in the middle of a uptempo set.. When you hear Jessie Fisher sing " losing a beginner"...when you see the footage of Aretha on stage and last appearance of Levis Stubbs and his tears .... to drop the needle on a record and watch a room full of people come together for the best 2 and a half mins of your life.. When you are out on the dancefloor and in your zone, you feel every second of the song while floating on a cloud.. etc etc etc... All of these are moments of real soul for me, the kind of moments that tell me i am truely blessed to listen to the music from the gods and to share some time with others who feel what i feel.... These and many more are moments of soul that can last a lifetime.... Have a nice weekend and get some soul in your veins xxxxxxxxxx
SOULCENTRAL Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 And it is well said and in one sentence. Lorraine HI ALL. IT TRULY IS AMAZING THE DIFFERENT SLANTS THAT PEOPLE ARE PLACING ON WHAT SOUL IS TO PEOPLE. Some of the replies and quotes are short and sweet and some give a great breakdown of all things soulful. One thing comes through very clearly and that is just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, soul is certainly in the heart of the individual. ROY
Guest MBarrett Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 For me it starts with "Try A Little Tenderness" by Otis R and moves out in a dozen different tentacles from that central place. Or is that "I've Been Loving You Too Long" by Otis R . . . . . Or "These Arms of Mine" by Otis R. . . . . . Or "For Your Precious Love" by Otis R . . . . . . You get my gist. MB
lorchand Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) HI ALL. IT TRULY IS AMAZING THE DIFFERENT SLANTS THAT PEOPLE ARE PLACING ON WHAT SOUL IS TO PEOPLE. Some of the replies and quotes are short and sweet and some give a great breakdown of all things soulful. One thing comes through very clearly and that is just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, soul is certainly in the heart of the individual. ROY While I was on the internet to see who was bootlegging, I ran across What Can I Do and gave it a listen. When musicians complement a singer/melody, that unselfishness is soulful to me. Listen to Mike Terry's sax weave behind the vocal. Mike would come in and 'sweeten' a track. Those notes were not written. It was from the soul. Go Mike, may you RIP. Also, on Sandra Richardson's Stay Here with Me, can't remember if it was Johnny Griffin or Earl Van Dyke, but that piano is smokin! I love this thread, it might stick with me for a long time, especially when I hear something soulful. Lorraine Edited July 16, 2011 by lorchand
lorchand Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) For me it starts with "Try A Little Tenderness" by Otis R and moves out in a dozen different tentacles from that central place. Or is that "I've Been Loving You Too Long" by Otis R . . . . . Or "These Arms of Mine" by Otis R. . . . . . Or "For Your Precious Love" by Otis R . . . . . . You get my gist. MB That's because Otis' voice is pure soul. He, 'don't need no music'. Lorraine Edited July 16, 2011 by lorchand
charliew Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 What is soul to me ? Well it,s a feeling an emotion, something that makes me happy or sad depending on many things, feeling a vibe in a hall full of people enjoying themselves, as your eyes gaze across a dancefloor as they do there thing, that little smile and change of facial expression as they hear the first note of a favourite tune, i,ve seen me watching somebody dancing to a record i hate but took gr8 pleasure outta of watching there enjoyment, i dont really think that the majority of northern soul stompers ooze soul in a musical sence but they can make you feel a massive buzz inside, which i suppose is your soul coming to the surface ?. i know when i hear the M.V.P.s or Chubby checker something happens inside of me which elevates me to dance and makes my hairs stand yet i wouldnt say they were soulful sounds, listening to Al greens how can you mend a broken heart or Four tops still waters does something else to me and then theres music like to be in love by masters at work that make me wanna tap my toes and touches my soul, theres so many examples of music which brings an emotion to the surface so i guess soul to me is something that gives me a inner feeling , regards charlie
BrianB Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 I was hooked by this Stevie Wonder record in 1969. This has always meant SOUL to me. I also heard Do What You Gotta Do today by the Tops and that blew me away. I know its not a Bernadette or 7 ROG but Levi just has SOUL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d48n4ESFgE&feature=related
lorchand Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) I was hooked by this Stevie Wonder record in 1969. This has always meant SOUL to me. I also heard Do What You Gotta Do today by the Tops and that blew me away. I know its not a Bernadette or 7 ROG but Levi just has SOUL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d48n4ESFgE&feature=related This is what made Motown great. Artist, writers, musicians, arrangers etc. I agree Brian on Stevie. This haunting melody with the outstanding vocal is soul. But that bass line, listen to the bass. I want to say its Jamerson, but he's more lyrical. However, if it is he, he just laid in the cut of the melody and it sends the chills. Glad to hear it again. I don't want to get started on Levi. Lorraine Edited July 16, 2011 by lorchand
MrsWoodsrules Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 The lady above this post is the manifestation of soul music ms L Chandler. The heartbreaking truth of the human condition expressed through music. Aid.
Guest ScooterNik Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 Soul is........ NOT the same as Northern Soul.
MrsWoodsrules Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 Sorry Scooternik but that's a mental statement, it maybe a sub-genre, but it's all soul music, bar what Winstanley was spinning late Casino.
BrianB Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 This might sound a bit daft, but I can't believe the sublime Lorraine Chandler agrees with me on this. Stevie is so soulful, but I honestly believe, and I am not trying to be ingratiating, that Lorraines voice is one of the most soulful and plaintive I have ever heard.
Guest Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 Something you feel in your breast, then it swiflty translates to your feet, so much enjoyed reading all your posts especially Stevie, we could analyse everything to the n'th degree but whats the point soul feelings are personal to everuyone on the "scene", and then to me, a late comer, a newbie who was listening to 90's soul down in Cambridge who thought "***** it i'll move! I'm glad I did, I think (strictly my own opinion), you have to try all the soul clubs (if you can), meet up with all the fantastic people, listen to their different and varied opinions, and then realise that everyone has their own perception of what soulful means! ATB Mickey "sending out an sos"
charliew Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 intresting responce that as i see where your both coming from esp[ecially with your statement about russ lol, but there is a valid point that not all things northern are soulful, there was a lot of sixties dance music in there which wasnt in the least bit soulful it was 4 beats to the bar out and out beat driven dross, but on the same observation there was many tunes that were so so soulful ....... thats what i love about everything is the diversity of meanings and interpetations of the gr8 music we call soul
Guest Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 Great replies. Yes it is a personal thing with a commonality between us rather like the expression 'You go through life alone .. together with everyone'. For me it's dancing Blues. Take a song like Jackie Lee's 'Darkest days' for example, how can this be up beat? .. this strange marriage of beat music and lyric is what magically makes it work. The lyrical content, depth of meaning and sincerity will imperceptibly lead a song into your heart. Though even less easy to define, Soul instrumentals probably trigger the same emotions by way of prolonged association with Soul music
MrsWoodsrules Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 I agree Charley, was some crap flying about too (mainly to satisfy the Riker likers in those days) but the majority of it was/is now soulful. And yeah, northern generally got it's own 'detroit' beat, but its 'soul' & I reckon as we all get older (& slower), the soul has come to the forefront over beat. What I don't like is the blurring of borders with doo-wap passing for soul, which personally I can't stand, but thats just me & i thinks it's got a lot to do with the big dealers making more money rather than the demand/music. Aid.
charliew Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 I agree Charley, was some crap flying about too (mainly to satisfy the Riker likers in those days) but the majority of it was/is now soulful. And yeah, northern generally got it's own 'detroit' beat, but its 'soul' & I reckon as we all get older (& slower), the soul has come to the forefront over beat. What I don't like is the blurring of borders with doo-wap passing for soul, which personally I can't stand, but thats just me & i thinks it's got a lot to do with the big dealers making more money rather than the demand/music. Aid. i should know better than to post on these forums as opinions are so diverse, just like your comment on doowop i think the harmonies in this type of music are spine tingling yet i believe by reading your comments that your a true soulie with a good knowledge so i suppose weve answered our own question that soul is not defined by a word it is an emotion a feeling etc and were all individual and diverse which is what i love about soul...... i,d like to add that i enjoyed your responce very much because it was written with respect not contempt, for this i praise you. Intrestingly enough what floats my boat now are the gr8 midtempo soulful tracks like moses smith, glen millar, guitar ray etc etc yet in my younger days throw on d d barnes do what ya wanna do and i was there regards charlie
lorchand Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) This might sound a bit daft, but I can't believe the sublime Lorraine Chandler agrees with me on this. Stevie is so soulful, but I honestly believe, and I am not trying to be ingratiating, that Lorraines voice is one of the most soulful and plaintive I have ever heard. Thank you BrianB, but this is what I went to 'school' on. When it comes to music, everyone's a fan/student at one time or another. Hearing the likes of Sam Cooke, The Platters, Ink Spots, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, Etta James, Aretha Franklin, and early Motown brought me through life. The reason Stevie is like he is, is from listening to 'old school' music and we are the benefactors of his wonderful and soulful interpretation of it. I believe that's why I like writing for artist. I don't possess the 'feel' that a lot of soulful singers have. For example, Eddie Parker and Sandra Richardson do. I loved writing for them because they brought my songs to life. Both Eddie and Sandra have a gospel tone and the gritty feeling of life that made me 'whatever' when I heard it. I never thought in my early life I'd become a singer (although I liked singing). Just like you, I'm a student of soul music . I grew up during a fantastic time of soulful music, but don't forget, gospel music was the root of 'soul'. Lorraine Edited July 17, 2011 by lorchand
lorchand Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 The lady above this post is the manifestation of soul music ms L Chandler. The heartbreaking truth of the human condition expressed through music. Aid. You are absolutely, 100% correct, Aid. I am proud to be a result of soul music. I love this thread. I'll probaby keep it alive for a long time. Lorraine
MrsWoodsrules Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 You are absolutely, 100% correct, Aid. I am proud to be a result of soul music. I love this thread. I'll probaby keep it alive for a long time. Lorraine I am not worthy! Aid.
MrsWoodsrules Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 You are absolutely, 100% correct, Aid. I am proud to be a result of soul music. I love this thread. I'll probaby keep it alive for a long time. Lorraine He Lorraine, a question for you. I always noticed that on the Ashford tracks of Eddie's, you were credited as 'supervised by Lorraine Chandler' "Supervised"? was that a way for the label to pay you less than if it was arranged/produced? Just interested. Aid.
lorchand Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 He Lorraine, a question for you. I always noticed that on the Ashford tracks of Eddie's, you were credited as 'supervised by Lorraine Chandler' "Supervised"? was that a way for the label to pay you less than if it was arranged/produced? Just interested. Aid. Hi Aid, That was the beginning of my production days. I had to be 'overseen' by someone, thus the supervision. It was that man over woman thing. The glass ceiling was about ten inches thick. Not too many female producers back then, but I broke out and did my thing! I'm still waiting to be paid. Lorraine
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