Patto Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Hi Guys Looking through my records came accross a few Casino biggies in their time that never gey spins anymore where i go anyway.Take a look at these 5 for starters do they get any action nowadays all big dancers back in the day. Sweet--Broken Heart Attack--Smash. late casino R.S spin covered i think as Chester Pipkin Wilbur Walton Jr---24 hours of loneliness--123. Bat Brady i think Tojo--Broken Hearted Lover---TEC. Searling again Intros--Stop Look Listen--Jamie. May have been a Russ spin Otis Blackwell--Its All over Me--Epic. Total Stormer Out of those 5 i have only heard Otis Blackwell played recently the others not since the old days.Any thoughts out there on any of em could they stand up today i for one would love to dance to them all again. 1
Guest SteveJohnston Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I played the Tojo track for the first year at NMD, fantastic track that needs more play time IMO Edited June 23, 2011 by SteveJohnston
Guest MrC Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Sweet - Broken heart attack started getting plays again last year, have heard it out a few times, have heard wilbur walton a couple of times this year too. there are loads of things that had a brief kind of life at wigan and were then forgotten, shame really, a lot of them would go really well on todays scene. The best thing is you can pick a lot of them up pretty cheap, knowing that sooner or later someone is going to remember it and start playing it out, then the price can only go up
Davetay Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Hi Guys Looking through my records came accross a few Casino biggies in their time that never gey spins anymore where i go anyway.Take a look at these 5 for starters do they get any action nowadays all big dancers back in the day. Sweet--Broken Heart Attack--Smash. late casino R.S spin covered i think as Chester Pipkin Wilbur Walton Jr---24 hours of loneliness--123. Bat Brady i think Tojo--Broken Hearted Lover---TEC. Searling again Intros--Stop Look Listen--Jamie. May have been a Russ spin Otis Blackwell--Its All over Me--Epic. Total Stormer Out of those 5 i have only heard Otis Blackwell played recently the others not since the old days.Any thoughts out there on any of em could they stand up today i for one would love to dance to them all again. Funny enough, we where talking about Sweet "Broken Heart Attack" on facebook the other day. We where saying that this record used to be on sale on the stall in Manchester Market about a year before Wigan opened. And the shock of hearing it covered up 6 or 7 years later by Dickie.
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Bat Brady i think Did he have a sidekick called Robin
Patto Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 Did he have a sidekick called Robin Oh Bat yeh spelling mistake perils of being a night shift worker heads a shed any comments on the records.
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Oh Bat yeh spelling mistake perils of being a night shift worker heads a shed any comments on the records. Only that Otis Blackwell was originally an Ian levine Mecca spin and predates the other selections by about 4 years.
Patto Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 I played the Tojo track for the first year at NMD, fantastic track that needs more play time IMO Agreed Steve its a great dancer one of my faves as is the Intros,both a hundred times better than some of the played out oldies that get relentlessly churned out. Found another The Jerms--I'm a teardrop,midtempo moody atmospheric track ain't heard that one in years also 1
Patto Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 Only that Otis Blackwell was originally an Ian levine Mecca spin and predates the other selections by about 4 years. Your right lots of early Mecca oldies and Cleethorpes spins became associated with the casino a good example is Rain --Out of My mind which was played at Cleggy first by Poke but which most soulies associate as a wigan sound due to it featuring in this Engalnd What would you nominate as a few forgotten wigan oldies tracks Pete that you think would still punch the floor today
Guest DeeJay Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I think Searling played the Wilber Walton Jr track .My mate bought it from him. You know how Dicky used to like the rare stuff .The 45 Dicky played was one of the rare European issues, forgotten country. But it wasn't a U.S. issue. As for forgotten stuff, i think people like to keep em forgotten till they play them. A few i've got, but not played in donkeys Broadway Express C/U as Thats What Love Can Do -Richie Temple General Assembly Sensitive Mind Friendly People C/U as Lee Valentine Ain't Got Nothing But The Blues VMP How about that Wilson Picket track on Chocolate City (Or something like that Brady used to play it) DD Barnes Do What you Wanna Do (Belter!) DJ
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Your right lots of early Mecca oldies and Cleethorpes spins became associated with the casino a good example is Rain --Out of My mind which was played at Cleggy first by Poke but which most soulies associate as a wigan sound due to it featuring in this Engalnd What would you nominate as a few forgotten wigan oldies tracks Pete that you think would still punch the floor today I dunno mate, I'll have to have a good think about it. What really bugs me is when people list a record and call it a "Wigan monster" and they're talking about something like The Lovells which only ever got played about twice. There's monsters and there's minor spins. Forgotten Wigan dancers: wayne cochran - i'm in trouble peg leg moffett - the shocker the shirtails - i want you to stay with me john andrews - it's just love (well popular now but lay dormant for 30 years) sammy lee - what goes around sergio mendes - love music just off the top of my head
Russ Vickers Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) With the exception of some of the things Pete & Deejay mention, none of the things mentioned thus far are really forgotten in the true sense - a proper forgotten oldie is something that when you hear it, its the first time in decades & it almost takes on the mantle of a newie again, I'm thinking of the likes of recentish reactivations like Lee Fields & Sandy Hadley, I had never heard Sandy Hadley before to be honest......but I know it was played. I would like to hear about things competely buried for years, that we all have literally forgotten. Not Wigan but what about these: Eddie Holland - Daydreamer Roy C - Gone, Gone, Gone Del Larks - Out of the In Crowd Backstreet - Detroit Rythmn Section Modern forgotten oldies anyone ? Sammy Lee is a stunner BTW Pete....... Good thread Russ Edited June 23, 2011 by Russ Vickers
Russ Vickers Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I think Searling played the Wilber Walton Jr track .My mate bought it from him. You know how Dicky used to like the rare stuff .The 45 Dicky played was one of the rare European issues, forgotten country. But it wasn't a U.S. issue. As for forgotten stuff, i think people like to keep em forgotten till they play them. A few i've got, but not played in donkeys Broadway Express C/U as Thats What Love Can Do -Richie Temple General Assembly Sensitive Mind Friendly People C/U as Lee Valentine Ain't Got Nothing But The Blues VMP How about that Wilson Picket track on Chocolate City (Or something like that Brady used to play it) DD Barnes Do What you Wanna Do (Belter!) DJ Think this was a Stafford spin for Pat Brady Dave, twas on Wicked I think. Best Russ
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I had never heard Sandy Hadley before to be honest......but I know it was played. Russ, first time I ever went to Wigan, I did a tape which I listened to many many times so remember a lot of the tracks, Richard played Sandy Hadley, it was bootlegged by the time I next went which was 2 weeks later so it had a very short lifespan. Another truly forgotten oldie is on that tape, maybe forgotten because it wasn't actually very good, Freddie Hughes - Don't You Leave - Greg Uh Rudy Records. (Also included Holywood Persuaders, Nine Times, jades, Vicki Sue Robinson, Marion Love - Walk proud and pretty)
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 More forgotten Wigan spins... Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then) Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats) Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though)
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 More forgotten Wigan spins... Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then) Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats) Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though)
Russ Vickers Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 More forgotten Wigan spins... Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then) Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats) Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though) Gloria & the Tiaras is immense - both sides brilliant. Liberty is brill too - first played at Cleggy ? Keep em comin Pete Russ
Patto Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 More forgotten Wigan spins... Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then) Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats) Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though) Thanks for all these Pete some i remember most i have had to refresh my memory via u tube. couple more i distantly recall FRIENDLY PEOPLE--AINT GOT NOTHING BUT THE BLUES VILLAGE SOUNDS--THESE WINDOWS SHADOWS--MY LOVE IS GONE
KevH Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 More forgotten Wigan spins... Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then)....MECCA Gloria & the T-Airas - I'm satisfied - Bettys Sound of Excitement - Please don't cry - Catamount (covered up as The Newbeats, sounds more like The Newbeats than the real Newbeats) Bill Brandon & Lorraine Johnson - Full time groover - Moonsong....MECCA Liberty - Girl you better wake up (inst) - BASF.....MECCA Velvet Love - Symphony of dreams - UK Alaska (a 2 week Russ spin that was actually really nice if a bit poppy...well a lot poppy..still nice though) Freddie Hughes - "Dont you leave"..also Mecca spin,CC i believe.
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Freddie Hughes - "Dont you leave"..also Mecca spin,CC i believe. Kev just because they are 70's releases doesn't mean they originated from the Mecca, Pennington obviously was did but Brandon & Johnson was a John Vincent spin at Wigan, Liberty was an Alan Rhodes spin at Wigan and was also played at Cleethorpes, how you going to know where it was played first when 3 venues have the same record?... I'll check the next lot with you make sure I don't make any more mistakes...
KevH Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Kev just because they are 70's releases doesn't mean they originated from the Mecca, Pennington obviously was did but Brandon & Johnson was a John Vincent spin at Wigan, Liberty was an Alan Rhodes spin at Wigan and was also played at Cleethorpes, how you going to know where it was played first when 3 venues have the same record?... I'll check the next lot with you make sure I don't make any more mistakes... Calm down,calm down. But you did quote "More forgotten Wigan spins".........................so where you say Alan Rhodes for instance ,i'd say Levine or Curtis. Lets have some genuine forgotten Wigan spins. Edited June 23, 2011 by KevH
Guest miff Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 More forgotten Wigan spins... Barbara Pennington - 24 hours a day - united artists (this has to be one of the greatest UK soul productions ever. Oh ok, soul production with an English person's involvement then) Agree on that one Pete, Just suprised that youve posted a comment like that, If ever a tune spilt the scene then this was it, I remember fights breaking out cos this was played and the fact that he who carnt be named produced it, for notarity it puts the carstaires in the shade great tune
KevH Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Agree on that one Pete, Just suprised that youve posted a comment like that, If ever a tune spilt the scene then this was it, I remember fights breaking out cos this was played and the fact that he who carnt be named produced it, for notarity it puts the carstaires in the shade great tune "I cant erase the thoughts of you" was also a good tune.
Eddie Hubbard Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Lydia Marcelle - It's not like you [ Manhattan ] Great forgotten femme side ,spun by Richard Searling .......
grant Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 a few i can think off... phil orsi - lovin on borrowed time john drevars - the closer she gets cody marshall - the thought of loving you
Guest MrC Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Russ, first time I ever went to Wigan, I did a tape which I listened to many many times so remember a lot of the tracks, Richard played Sandy Hadley, it was bootlegged by the time I next went which was 2 weeks later so it had a very short lifespan. Another truly forgotten oldie is on that tape, maybe forgotten because it wasn't actually very good, Freddie Hughes - Don't You Leave - Greg Uh Rudy Records. (Also included Holywood Persuaders, Nine Times, jades, Vicki Sue Robinson, Marion Love - Walk proud and pretty) I remember that tape - I was there! Did it not have Yvonne Baker on it too?
KevH Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I remember that tape - I was there! Did it not have Yvonne Baker on it too? Yvonne Baker was way before Freddie Hughes and Sandy Hadley. Ernie Marbray had a very short life span at Wigan. Edited June 23, 2011 by KevH
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Calm down,calm down. But you did quote "More forgotten Wigan spins".........................so where you say Alan Rhodes for instance ,i'd say Levine or Curtis. Lets have some genuine forgotten Wigan spins. But..Barbara Pennington, this was a massive Wigan record, remember the 3rd anniversary, it was played about 3 times, so for me it's a forgotten Wigan sound. The fact that I never went to The Mecca may have some influence over my selections 1
KevH Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 But..Barbara Pennington, this was a massive Wigan record, remember the 3rd anniversary, it was played about 3 times, so for me it's a forgotten Wigan sound. The fact that I never went to The Mecca may have some influence over my selections .
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Yvonne Baker was way before Freddie Hughes and Sandy Hadley. Ernie Marbray had a very short life span at Wigan. Think he may be right as it hadn't been booted at that precise time
Guest Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Rubbish at knowing what was played and when i don't really care, so i'll have a guess at a couple. The jokes on you and The joker went wild Don't hear them out ever.
KevH Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Think he may be right as it hadn't been booted at that precise time Sandy Hadley? I would have thought if FH was being played ,SH had already been booted.YB some years before in timeline. I'm too old for this....
Soul Shrews Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 How about that Wilson Picket track on Chocolate City (Or something like that Brady used to play it) DJ "How Will I Ever Know"..................played for a good while as "Brother Louie Brown" @ Wigan Cheers Paul
Tony Foster Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Marty Lewis - I can't do without you - Big Deal
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I don't ever remember hearing that at Wigan but Russ always played the other side, the instrumental, covered as Bob & Earl band. I didn't even KNOW there was a vocal til the 80's 1
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Sandy Hadley? I would have thought if FH was being played ,SH had already been booted.YB some years before in timeline. I'm too old for this.... Yvonne Baker got booted summer of 76 mate, Sandy Hadley booted April/May 76, from what I remember the first time I ever went was April 12th 1976
nksouldude Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Just a few I can remember Rules Gil Blanding The two of us The other Ones I cant stand to lose you E J Chandler Just one more chance Patrick Bradley Shaddows and reflections The Loneley Crowde Run baby run Peter Jarrett and the Inner Circle Stop and you will become aware Helen Shapario My little cottage by the sea Fluffy Falana Tied to your heart The Lucky Charms This man in love The New Wonderers 1 1
KevH Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Yvonne Baker got booted summer of 76 mate, Sandy Hadley booted April/May 76, from what I remember the first time I ever went was April 12th 1976 Sorry Pete,i didn't realise we were discussing timings of boots,only when the above were played.
Davetay Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I don't ever remember hearing that at Wigan but Russ always played the other side, the instrumental, covered as Bob & Earl band. I didn't even KNOW there was a vocal til the 80's That's a big shock to me that the Strides was coved up at Wigan, having said that I only found out last year that "Love Music" was covered up at Wigan as well.
Davetay Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 With the exception of some of the things Pete & Deejay mention, none of the things mentioned thus far are really forgotten in the true sense - a proper forgotten oldie is something that when you hear it, its the first time in decades & it almost takes on the mantle of a newie again, I'm thinking of the likes of recentish reactivations like Lee Fields & Sandy Hadley, I had never heard Sandy Hadley before to be honest......but I know it was played. I would like to hear about things competely buried for years, that we all have literally forgotten. Not Wigan but what about these: Eddie Holland - Daydreamer Roy C - Gone, Gone, Gone Del Larks - Out of the In Crowd Backstreet - Detroit Rythmn Section Modern forgotten oldies anyone ? Sammy Lee is a stunner BTW Pete....... Good thread Russ Sandy Handley was massive at The Mecca. Late 75 - Early 76
Patto Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 Marty Lewis - I can't do without you - Big Deal AWESOME tune this one gets played out still think Pete CASPER has it on his excellent playlist from the last Kings Hall Nighter
Davetay Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 But..Barbara Pennington, this was a massive Wigan record, remember the 3rd anniversary, it was played about 3 times, so for me it's a forgotten Wigan sound. The fact that I never went to The Mecca may have some influence over my selections I can see where you are coming from. I stopped going to Wigan just after the 2nd Anniversary, and didn't start going until late 78 . For me 79 until the end was the best time to go to Wigan for the music, even if some Saturday Nights where dead. I never did any of the Friday oldies. Like Wigan will always be your No1 Club, The Mecca will always be mine.
Davetay Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Lydia Marcelle - It's not like you [ Manhattan ] Great forgotten femme side ,spun by Richard Searling ....... Great Choice.
Pete S Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Sorry Pete,i didn't realise we were discussing timings of boots,only when the above were played. Soon as the boot came out, it stopped getting played, you know thats what I meant
Geeselad Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 The sweet willl no doubt get a spin down @ Change, in July, by my fine self.
The Tempest Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 And another !! , got a tape of this one from Sept 80 1
Citizen P Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Cannot reme,ber the last time I heard, Sister Lee- Sam Ward played out Tony
Guest lambrettanik Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 how about paul newman and the excaliburs-aint you got the heart to tell me! ,or the wooden nickels -nobody but you,betty wright -prophcey,gill bernal-can you love a poor boy.
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