Rare Soul Records

[Guest]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

[Guest]

This is following on from jsut reading someone saying they had some are soul DJ's on

[Supercorsa]

This is following on from jsut reading someone saying they had some are soul DJ's on

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[Guest]

Well someone jsut said they had rare soul DJ's on, and I was wondering how many rare records does a DJ need to have before they become a rare soul DJ

[Guest Stuart T]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

Presumably enough to last the length of your set. So its easier if you only get half an hour than an hour. Your second post is clearly indicative of a disturbed mind.

[Guest]

Well someone jsut said they had rare soul DJ's on, and I was wondering how many rare records does a DJ need to have before they become a rare soul DJ

and how rare is rare? who decides ?

[Guest rachel]

and how rare is rare? who decides ?

How big is big?

Maybe it just means they haven't been overcooked and are still pink in the middle....

[Guest]

Presumably enough to last the length of your set. So its easier if you only get half an hour than an hour. Your second post is clearly indicative of a disturbed mind.

Typed it a little to fast

[Pete S]

It shouldn't be anything to do with the quantity of records you have, it should be to do with being able to play them to a crowd of people etc...quality not quantity (ahem)

[Guest]

The rarest record is always the next one. Until another one comes along.

What happened to that big haul of rare stuff that came up a while ago? How many rare records were there in that? If there were 25 copies of a record that was thought previously to be two only, is it still rare? Or is it only rare until the other 25 copies are out on the market? And is 27 copies a rare record ?

How long is a piece of string?

[Simsy]

Mentioning no names, I know dudes that have borrowed records to do a set, which is a bit budget - granted. They have some good sounds anyway, but more imortantly they are hip to what people want to hear. Collection size is an unimportant factor.

[Guest taylormadesoul]

It shouldn't be anything to do with the quantity of records you have, it should be to do with being able to play them to a crowd of people etc...quality not quantity (ahem)

for once i agree with ya pete !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest ShaneH]

i remember someone saying a while back you should be walking in the venue with a 100 box.

Most DJ's do a hour set of about 20/25 records. Modern DJ's play 3 or 4 12"s

You could have 5000 rare soul records at home but only 50 that are ok for playing out though.

Shane

[Ernie Andrews]

What does the term rare mean on this scene/

rare cos theres only 2 known copies 25 copies? 50 copies? rare cos theres only one in Scotland but 50 in England and wales?

Rare cos its uniisued and only 5 people have heard it?

rare cos its a tape only?

rare cos its an Lp track only and the Lp was in limited press?

rare cos it was Demo only?

Rare because it was thought issues werent issued?

Rare cos I bloody say so?

Someone define the term rare! I dare you!

Tubbs should you be at work- Now thats RARE!

[Guest]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

None if you have the phone number of Vinyl carvers

[Guest Stuart T]

The rarest record is always the next one. Until another one comes along.

What happened to that big haul of rare stuff that came up a while ago? How many rare records were there in that? If there were 25 copies of a record that was thought previously to be two only, is it still rare? Or is it only rare until the other 25 copies are out on the market? And is 27 copies a rare record ?

How long is a piece of string?

If the existence of 27 copies of a record stop it being rare we are living in cloud cuckoo land! And hardly anyone would be a rare soul DJ.

[Ged Parker]

The rarest record is always the next one. Until another one comes along.

What happened to that big haul of rare stuff that came up a while ago? How many rare records were there in that? If there were 25 copies of a record that was thought previously to be two only, is it still rare? Or is it only rare until the other 25 copies are out on the market? And is 27 copies a rare record ?

How long is a piece of string?

I think rare is a balance between supply and demand. There are records with very few known copies that no one wants to own or hear yet if there are 200+ copies of a record everyone wants and you can't buy one for love or money then I think that is rare in the context of what I mean by rare. But that may just be me

As for how many you need to own 23-26 60's will do an hour but what about your next set? Maybe the question should be how many bookings do you need to get before you are a DJ?

[Guest]

and how rare is rare? who decides ?

'spose it depends on what you have and what people at a particular nighter want to hear. "how rare is rare"? is a good point! Does a dj have to play complete obscurities? rarest-of-the-rare 45's that not many people have? their own fav's on 45 that they think are the best? I've never dj'd myself, but think i have a good mix of sounds that would probably go down well I spose you have to take a chance and if your set goes down well, could be the start of dj stardom. However, if no one dances and the room is full of yawning, might be wise to either quit and say "at least i tried", or change your set......!

Carl.

[Guest]

If the existence of 27 copies of a record stop it being rare we are living in cloud cuckoo land! And hardly anyone would be a rare soul DJ.

Which of course brings it back to- how rare is rare?

[Guest Stuart T]

Which of course brings it back to- how rare is rare?

Impossible to say. If 200 people want a record and 50 copies are available it must be rare. If 50 people want a record and there are 50 copies surely it is equally rare? I'm not so sure about the demand deciding whether a record is actually "rare". However, first you'll never know how many copies of a record there are and secondly we'll all disagree about the number that make it not rare. Personally I reckon we ought to forget a pure concept of rarety and treat rarety as meaning "if you want a copy you'll find it difficult to get one in the next six months". Combination of true rarety and of demand then comes into play, and its more relevant to a buyer. Therefore you don't need to know how many copies actually exist or decide whether thats too many. We now just have to row over the number of months....9?

[Tomangoes]

Following another thread about labels being put on records, I am not sure that 'rare soul' ever just meant the quantity of copies available but also about the less likely you would hear it played. Now one thing can obviously qualify for the other if there is only a handful of copies but also a record long forgot but numbering thousands of copies could also qualify such as Ujima 5 years ago etc.

Ed

[Guest]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

Rare as in uncommon that's a good one ! to my mind surely playing uncommon soul records is the makings of a rare soul DJ so about 23 records will get you spot! but have you been to a soul night that a DJ has played a full set of truly uncommon records ? I don't think I have and I don't think I'd like to,

But playing rare records don't make you a DJ there's a art to DJing I haven't got it wish I had I love playing my records to a full dance floor! A true DJ can get a dance floor full just because he is on the decks others have to work hard at it! The ones that can fill a floor like Mr Willingham, Mace, Mick H, Carl Fortnum, Tim brown, Andre Minta, Kev Murphy, Bob Hinsley , and loads more are artistic DJs it's not just because they have rare soul records. So it don't mater how many rare soul records you have it's no guarantee you will make a rare soul DJ.

Steve J

Edited October 21, 2005 by Phoenix Rising

[Chalky]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

does it make someone a DJ just cause they have a few rare records ?????

seen quite a few behind the decks over the years playing so called rare records but wouldn't really call them a dj. should also play records you believe and have faith in, not just because they are rare and may turn a few heads.

Edited October 21, 2005 by chalky

[Chalky]

It shouldn't be anything to do with the quantity of records you have, it should be to do with being able to play them to a crowd of people etc...quality not quantity (ahem)

agree totally Pete

[Chalky]

if someone does a set of £10, £20, £30 records, does that make 'em a "cheap soul dj" should they be advertised as this on flyers would you go and listen to a "cheap soul dj"

[Guest alison]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

Stop making my head hurt cowbag.

I see you posted this during your usual nap time. May I cordially suggest that next time you feel like asking a silly question, step away from the keyboard, turn round, face the sofa, flop down on it and stay there until you can be trusted to stop making us contemplate the meaning of life

PS. The answer is 42 (Hitchikers guide to the galaxy )

PPS. You are quite rare Nini......I mean think about it, there can't be another one like you anywhere in the world

[Guest dundeedavie]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

enough to do a one hour set ...so 26 and you only become a dj in my opinion when someone other than a personal friend books you to play

Davie

[Chalky]

Which of course brings it back to- how rare is rare?

the Oxford definition of rare is

rare1

- adjective (rarer, rarest) 1 occurring very infrequently. 2 remarkable: a player of rare skill.

[Mandy]

Mentioning no names, I know dudes that have borrowed records to do a set, which is a bit budget - granted. They have some good sounds anyway, but more imortantly they are hip to what people want to hear. Collection size is an unimportant factor.

Size does matter

[Guest miff]

Size does matter

Its not the size of the organ its the cathedral it plays in that counts

[pikeys dog]

46.555555 IS THE SCIENTIFIC ANSWER

[Guest ZTSC]

if someone does a set of £10, £20, £30 records, does that make 'em a "cheap soul dj" should they be advertised as this on flyers would you go and listen to a "cheap soul dj"

Yes if the were imaginative enough and have the balls to play something different. This kind of format still appeals to me and keeps the scene refreshed.

[Chalky]

Yes if the were imaginative enough and have the balls to play something different. This kind of format still appeals to me and keeps the scene refreshed.

as well as a few rare ones, my sets always feature cheaper records. Little Tommy - Lov'H, Benny Latimore, Jean Wells, Richard Paker, Sebastian Williams, JJ Daniels, Admirations Don't Leave, Nick Allen, Mike & Censations - Don't Mess, Eddie & Ernie - Outcast, Lee Edward & Continentals & Neil Brown to name a few I've spun over the last couple of years.

[Guest Kill_a_pig]

I personally did not care how rare a record was as long as the set kept me on the dancefloor. Some the worst all nighters that I attendended were the Ritz "Rarest of the Rare" nights. The puacity of quality in most of the sounds aired was enough to send me home early.

Having said that, the Ritz was probably in my top five favourite venues, when it was not pushing rarity alone.

[shute]

saying all that.....you can get Rare Records cheap !

is this classed as a ''cheap rare record'' then

who says that a 45 is rare....loads of so called rare stuff turns up now and then..... so the point really is how rare is rare ??????????????????

[Guest ZTSC]

as well as a few rare ones, my sets always feature cheaper records. Little Tommy - Lov'H, Benny Latimore, Jean Wells, Richard Paker, Sebastian Williams, JJ Daniels, Admirations Don't Leave, Nick Allen, Mike & Censations - Don't Mess, Eddie & Ernie - Outcast, Lee Edward & Continentals & Neil Brown to name a few I've spun over the last couple of years.

Censations stands up there with the best of them mate.

Remember the Sheridans "under £30" do - we should have more like that you know

[Chalky]

Censations stands up there with the best of them mate.

Remember the Sheridans "under £30" do - we should have more like that you know

Benny Latimore and JJ Daniels probably two of the best for me.

Unfortunately with the closure of Sheridans the under £50 ( i think it was supposed to be) never materialised. Sure Andy said would lkook into on night next year at Middleton for this to take place.

[Guest ZTSC]

as well as a few rare ones, my sets always feature cheaper records. Little Tommy - Lov'H, Benny Latimore, Jean Wells, Richard Paker, Sebastian Williams, JJ Daniels, Admirations Don't Leave, Nick Allen, Mike & Censations - Don't Mess, Eddie & Ernie - Outcast, Lee Edward & Continentals & Neil Brown to name a few I've spun over the last couple of years.

Heres a one that Joan mentioned after Piercebridge - Mark Putney "Todays Man" an ex Cleethorpes spin in the 70s and still sounds belting today (and all for £20 !)

[Guest]

if someone does a set of £10, £20, £30 records, does that make 'em a "cheap soul dj" should they be advertised as this on flyers would you go and listen to a "cheap soul dj"

Only if it was local or other DJ's on that night, as in general cheeper records can be heard anywere as they are accessable to everyone........... then again no matter how much a record costs it has to be good for me to dance to so I havent really answered that question at all, maybe its better to say I prefer to hear a good DJ who know's what the dance floor wants than a rare or cheep dj (think it's my bed time now as I just confused myself)

[Guest]

Stop making my head hurt cowbag.

I see you posted this during your usual nap time. May I cordially suggest that next time you feel like asking a silly question, step away from the keyboard, turn round, face the sofa, flop down on it and stay there until you can be trusted to stop making us contemplate the meaning of life

PS. The answer is 42 (Hitchikers guide to the galaxy )

PPS. You are quite rare Nini......I mean think about it, there can't be another one like you anywhere in the world

Ah but there is two of us

[Chalky]

Only if it was local or other DJ's on that night, as in general cheeper records can be heard anywere as they are accessable to everyone........... then again no matter how much a record costs it has to be good for me to dance to so I havent really answered that question at all, maybe its better to say I prefer to hear a good DJ who know's what the dance floor wants than a rare or cheep dj (think it's my bed time now as I just confused myself)

So you wouldn't travel to a nighter if DJ's who played cheaper records were on?

[Guest]

Depends if they were good DJ's or not! Wouldnt travel to a nighter if I didn't know any of the DJ's who were on or none of my mates were going, no.

[John May]

I honestly don't consider what the value of a record is when I play it, I just play the stuff that I enjoy playing, and enjoy seeing people enjoying what I play.......If a record sounds good and get's spins, people will automatically try to get the record, this creates demand, demand forces the price of a record up, it doesn't mean that it is rare !, I think there is often confusion between what is rare and what is in demand....

I think that in answer to the original question, there is no answer......

[steve z]

OK, heres one for ya, how many rare soul records do you have to own before you can be classed as a rare soul DJ?

Hi Janine,I take at least 250 records out with me when I DJ ,out of respect for other DJs who may have played out some, I have ,earlier in the night.If I have a record with me thats requested,then I play it ,whats the point in carrying a record you believe in and not playing it? Am I saying I am not a rare soul DJ?

Yes. I know what I know and collect NEW TO ME .Possibly New to others as well?Being able to slash out big money for a tune doesn't make anyone a rare soul DJ..just someone who wants to be recognised as having a "rare" soul set ,that most people know.........IMO Stevie Z

[Maria O]

if someone does a set of £10, £20, £30 records, does that make 'em a "cheap soul dj" should they be advertised as this on flyers would you go and listen to a "cheap soul dj"

I'd try and hear them if I liked what they played and how they put it together. The problem with cheap records is that you may have heard them lots and lots before (especially if you spent most of the last 20 years on a soul scene that had little access to much else until recently ).

The other thing about a good proportion of "rare" records (rare in terms of "hard-to-find"), is that they have a certain sound which was not commercial for the time, thereby not selling well or being mass produced, thereby not existing in the larger quantities now. So that "rare sound" might be what you like, not the scarcity or price tag. Some people call that sound "dross" and claim it is desperation for finding something new for the scene. But have you ever fallen in love with a sound and find that when you ask what the price is, the answer ends in "thousand" ? and that friggin four-letter word is often added on too!

(- "rare" for me, has become a bit of a dirty word )

Reminds me that I was speaking to someone who was sick of the big names and price tags and was toying with the idea of putting on a night where every record played was £20 maximum value. Shocked when he asked me to play, but I declined because I didn't like the statement he was making (a bit like positive discrimination, eh?). Besides, I thought playing your records was about sharing your loved ones ?

Some people seem to forget to just enjoy the music. Dunno,

m

[Guest Bearsoul]

and how rare is rare? who decides ?

'HOW BIG IS BIG'

IF IT'S GOOD PLAY IT BUT I THINK YOU NEED A LEAST ONE ,PREFERABLY WITH TWO GOOD SIDES OR AN LP LIKE NON-STOP MOTOWN PARTY, JUST KIDING..HONEST!

YOU NEED LOTS AND LOTS AND BE HARD-FACED WHEN THE BALIFFS CALL..OR BETTER STILL KEEP MOVING 'MOBILE DJ'??

CHRIS M