Why Vinyl Is King

[Guest]

Why is it that a vinyl record can hold so much beauty and mystique as opposed to the foul and ugly CD, I've just had an hour playing and handling vinyl LP's, the aesthetic is absolute, the sheer thrill of holding and placing this piece of history on the turntable and gently lifting the tone arm across, then gently letting it fall in the dead wax.......then the anticipation, it holds your attention that Shhhh noise .....THEN THE SOUND BREAKS THROUGH...the emotion overflows, besides the wonderful musical resonance, there is the chance to watch this superlative Black object move almost to the rhythm and tempo of the song. Yet the CD in comparison is a heinous and filthy little creature, devoid of any charisma, even when I place the hound in the tray it disappears into the dark grey abyss of the machine...almost hiding itself in shame, as if it realises that in my household he/she is surrounded by illustrious vinyl relations whom look down in disdain at this urchin in it's god damn awful jewell case............

In conclusion I'll quote the late great Spike Milligan, who upon being woken as a small child , in the middle of the night by his father and being asked.."Son, I Have Never Shot A Tiger"...Spike replied rubbing his eyes "Why Are You Telling Me This"....his father replied...."I Had To Tell Someone"....

[Guest]

Second that....

[Guest becky c]

Very nicely put Brett

Your English teacher would be proud

Edited October 15, 2005 by becky c

[Craig W]

The only problem with vinyl Brett is its a bit hard to play and store in your car and thats where the beauty of a CD really comes in.

[Simon T]

The best bit about vinyl, and I'm being serious, is the crackles and pops, especially during the run in - anticipation maybe?. Been addicted to it since stacking up Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey 45's on the spindle of my mother Garrard (?) mono record player!

[Guest miff]

The only problem with vinyl Brett is its a bit hard to play and store in your car and thats where the beauty of a CD really comes in.

They used to do record players for cars, When I was a kid my dad got me a portable radio that played records. The biggist problem was carting the records round to peoples houses.

[Craig W]

They used to do record players for cars, When I was a kid my dad got me a portable radio that played records. The biggist problem was carting the records round to peoples houses.

I had one in my car until recently but ruined too many £1000 rarities going over the speed bumps

[Lenny Harkins]

In conclusion I'll quote the late great Spike Milligan, who upon being woken as a small child , in the middle of the night by his father and being asked.."Son, I Have Never Shot A Tiger"...Spike replied rubbing his eyes "Why Are You Telling Me This"....his father replied...."I Had To Tell Someone"....

quality

[Bitchdj]

its the rice crispies syndrome innit..SNAP CRACKLE AND POP ..makes me go all mushy to think some poor black ( or white ) guy ( or gal ) sang his arse of to pay the rent and the end result is the piece of vinyl / styrene in my little hand..they have survived many years and should be afforded reverance cd's?? PAH

COOKIE

[Guest garv]

Why is it that a vinyl record can hold so much beauty and mystique as opposed to the foul and ugly CD, I've just had an hour playing and handling vinyl LP's, the aesthetic is absolute, the sheer thrill of holding and placing this piece of history on the turntable and gently lifting the tone arm across, then gently letting it fall in the dead wax.......then the anticipation, it holds your attention that Shhhh noise .....THEN THE SOUND BREAKS THROUGH...the emotion overflows, besides the wonderful musical resonance, there is the chance to watch this superlative Black object move almost to the rhythm and tempo of the song. Yet the CD in comparison is a heinous and filthy little creature, devoid of any charisma, even when I place the hound in the tray it disappears into the dark grey abyss of the machine...almost hiding itself in shame, as if it realises that in my household he/she is surrounded by illustrious vinyl relations whom look down in disdain at this urchin in it's god damn awful jewell case............

In conclusion I'll quote the late great Spike Milligan, who upon being woken as a small child , in the middle of the night by his father and being asked.."Son, I Have Never Shot A Tiger"...Spike replied rubbing his eyes "Why Are You Telling Me This"....his father replied...."I Had To Tell Someone"....

Poetry pure poetry Brett......................& very very true

Garv.

[Simon M]

The best bit about vinyl, and I'm being serious, is the crackles and pops, especially during the run in - anticipation maybe?. Been addicted to it since stacking up Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey 45's on the spindle of my mother Garrard (?) mono record player!

Vinyl is king because in my experience a Cd can f**k up and that's it you cant recover it a laptop with all your downloads ie 30 gb of pure soul can crash and not be recovered , Ipods can die too ( There was a TV prog on it ??) Analogue sound is cool to these ears ..Vinyl Deejays and collectors keep it alive please.

[Jumpinjoan]

Yet the CD in comparison is a heinous and filthy little creature, devoid of any charisma, even when I place the hound in the tray it disappears into the dark grey abyss of the machine...almost hiding itself in shame, as if it realises that in my household he/she is surrounded by illustrious vinyl relations whom look down in disdain at this urchin in it's god damn awful jewell case............

Brill!!

[Guest]

How much longer before vinyl ceases to be used altogether

[Guest Matt Male]

Why is it that a vinyl record can hold so much beauty and mystique as opposed to the foul and ugly CD, I've just had an hour playing and handling vinyl LP's, the aesthetic is absolute, the sheer thrill of holding and placing this piece of history on the turntable and gently lifting the tone arm across, then gently letting it fall in the dead wax.......then the anticipation, it holds your attention that Shhhh noise .....THEN THE SOUND BREAKS THROUGH...the emotion overflows, besides the wonderful musical resonance, there is the chance to watch this superlative Black object move almost to the rhythm and tempo of the song.

yes very nice... bordering on a perversion but nice

[Guest]

How much longer before vinyl ceases to be used altogether

I don't think it will 'cease altogether', I bet there's still people out there playing shellac 78's on

a regular basis!

I think it will be around as long as most of us, to some degree at least!

Chris

[Guest Richard Bergman]

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments Brett , cd's are very ugly things and still only babies in the great scheme of things just like the United States & films Technology grows up too quickly for me (as I send this message via smoke signal)

Richard

Edited October 15, 2005 by Richard Bergman

[sister dawn]

Wonderful decription Brett, and True. The anticipation of the needle waiting to pick up the groove on a piece of vinyl brought home after "going blind" rummaging through a cardboard box at a junkshop or carboot, and the thrill when the said vinyl is a much valued northern tune is second to none.....

The eyecatching labels and the study into its history, is much more satisfying than reading the "thanks too" paragraph on a cd.

[Guest]

I don't think it will 'cease altogether', I bet there's still people out there playing shellac 78's on

a regular basis!

I think it will be around as long as most of us, to some degree at least!

Chris

Unfortunately many new releases are only available on CD's, does this mean the demise/extinction of vinyl in the music industry within the next 5 - 10 years?

[Simon M]

Unfortunately many new releases are only available on CD's, does this mean the demise/extinction of vinyl in the music industry within the next 5 - 10 years?

Well you'd think it would be extinct now !! Deejays and collectors still use it so I guess , thats why its still around . people should have a choice IMVHO . .. 12" EPs should be cut from the CD only releases for us Vinyl Junkies ?

Simon M

[Guest dundeedavie]

dance dj's still use vinyl so it will always be used .... also in the music buying sector vinyl is once again the fastest growing with a lot of new bands releasing ltd editions on 7"

cd's ...nothing to me .. you buy an album and the art work is a proper size that effort has been put into and lovingly design , then some halfwit shrinks it to fit a cd cover ....pah ..

keep it vinyl everytime ...and original vinyl

[Guest mrallsorts]

Great Bret I too have been a vinyl junkie all my life and just can't get enough of those beautiful shiny pieces of vinyl.Although those ugly cd's do have a place ( in the car/givaways etc).

I remember when I was younger , me and my pal would get very exited on the train home from a record buying trip.We'd get them out of the covers and look for the darker rings that would indicate a breakdown or middle eight etc and loved the anticipation of getting them home and putting them on to find out what these dark rings had instore for us. .

sadly, I read in 'new scientist', that in about 9 years time the petro chemical firms will no longer be making the chemical used to make vinyl records and vinyl shall cease to be Has any one heard anything about this? surely someone will invent another material that could replace it?

Edited October 15, 2005 by mrallsorts

[Gary]

Wonderful decription Brett, and True. The anticipation of the needle waiting to pick up the groove on a piece of vinyl brought home after "going blind" rummaging through a cardboard box at a junkshop or carboot, and the thrill when the said vinyl is a much valued northern tune is second to none.....

The eyecatching labels and the study into its history, is much more satisfying than reading the "thanks too" paragraph on a cd.

That experience, to me, is priceless.

[Guest Brian J]

and another way of lookin' at it;

Vinyl is not a better medium as far as quality because it allows for degradation of the original source. This happens a couple of different ways. First every time you spin the needle around the vinyl grooves, you start warping and distorting it. True it takes a while to notice it if you keep your vinyl in good shape and your needles and weights all good, but the source will never degrade on cd. The light that reads the digital bits will never change a 0 to a 1 or vise versa. The reason that vinyl has improved over the years is because it wasn't good to begin with. Second, the needle picks up all vibrations, not just those coming from the vinyl groove.

As a long term storage device, it still isn't. Why should you store your vinyl between 50F-75F and in a vertical position with less than 50% humidity? Because storage conditions will warp the crap out of the record! Cds are much more tolerant of storage conditions and you don't have to worry about them warping under their own weight!

Ok, maybe a 40 year old record that's been kept in good condition sounds "pretty good", but a 40 year old cd (even though they are not that old yet would be truer to the original source. The reason your 5 year old cd has skips is because it was not stored and handled properly and the surface has become scratched etc. This happens with vinyl too though it will actually play sounds that are not true to the original source. A cd will play only 100% or nothing.

The whole reason the cd standard is not improved despite this, is because all of the eq that is out there will not play better than the standard anyway! That is the whole point of having the standard! If you'll do a little research, you'd probably notice that you mixer only has an output frequency range of 20Hz to 20,000Hz, which is exactly the quality that a cd is recorded at. So, even if you the perfect vinyl and the perfect turntable, you'll never get better than cd quality coming out of your mixer! Therefore, being able to tell the difference of a track recorded on a cd versus vinyl is a bunch of crap. Any better sound that people think vinyl has, is killed way before it ever reaches your ears! And in some weird case that it may reach your ears, most people can't even hear as low as 20Hz or as high as 20,000Hz anyway--even those with undamaged hearing. True you may feel things below 20Hz, but if they aren't being outputed from your mixer, it doesn't matter anyway!

Anyone thinking that the quality cannot change due to the "standard" is incorrect. The quality is defined by the source of the original recording, which has been improved over the years. We are using light, how can you improve upon a signal reader like that? The fact that we haven't changed the wavelength of the light (compatibility is due to the same density of information on the disk) just means that we can only fit a certain amount of information in a certain amount of space. The density hasn't changed, but the quality of the actual disk has--hence 80min cd plus overburning. This has nothing to do with quality, but only with space. Think of a DVD, the sound is encoded in surround sound (which is good for movies, and crap for reproducing songs). The only reason that dvds can have surround sound and still have enough space for a digital picture is because they DO USE a different laser so they are able to increase the density of information on the same sized disc.

Anyway, I hope that once and for all, this puts an end to the argument that vinyl has, had or ever will have an edge over cds as far as quality goes!

Don't blame me......I didn't write it!

[Simon M]

Ok, maybe a 40 year old record that's been kept in good condition sounds "pretty good", but a 40 year old cd (even though they are not that old yet would be truer to the original source. The reason your 5 year old cd has skips is because it was not stored and handled properly and the surface has become scratched etc. This happens with vinyl too though it will actually play sounds that are not true to the original source. A cd will play only 100% or nothing

And therefore Vinyl is more resilient. A big plus

Edited October 15, 2005 by Simon M

[sister dawn]

i think Bretts original post says it all really... I dont think that anyone disputes the sound quality of a cd, its the coldness of it, compared to the lovely black stuff Vinyl tells a different story, ya seem to remember where ya bought it, who from etc etc... and that lovely pop and crackle noise they make sometimes. As opposed to the crystal clear clarity of cd format... its a vocation collecting vinyl, I think ya either love it or hate it... I love it as previously stated...

The cleaning with the old emitex cloth and the taking out of the sleeve and putting it gently on the deck before cueing it up... excellant stuff.... and the smell of them lovely.......

[Simon M]

i think Bretts original post says it all really... I dont think that anyone disputes the sound quality of a cd, its the coldness of it, compared to the lovely black stuff Vinyl tells a different story, ya seem to remember where ya bought it, who from etc etc... and that lovely pop and crackle noise they make sometimes. As opposed to the crystal clear clarity of cd format... its a vocation collecting vinyl, I think ya either love it or hate it... I love it as previously stated...

The cleaning with the old emitex cloth and the taking out of the sleeve and putting it gently on the deck before cueing it up... excellant stuff.... and the smell of them lovely.......

The only thing better than Vinyl is a life performance or a studio thingy ...( Who remembers The Memphis Soul Revue when Marti Pellow got Wet)

[Guest Brian J]

The cleaning with the old emitex cloth and the taking out of the sleeve and putting it gently on the deck before cueing it up... excellant stuff.... and the smell of them lovely.......

[sister dawn]

The cleaning with the old emitex cloth and the taking out of the sleeve and putting it gently on the deck before cueing it up... excellant stuff.... and the smell of them lovely.......

We are talkin' about vynil records here aren't we??

oh yes we are its that old vinyl smell ya must know it...

talking of which must get my babies out of the cupboard and sort them out for tonight .......

[Guest Brian J]

oh yes we are its that old vinyl smell ya must know it...

talking of which must get my babies out of the cupboard and sort them out for tonight .......

Yep, know what you mean Dawn....

it's on a par with that rubber smell you get when you put on a gimp mask.

talking of which, must remember to lock my babies in the cupboard and sort it out for tonight.

[Guest mrallsorts]

i think Bretts original post says it all really... I dont think that anyone disputes the sound quality of a cd, its the coldness of it, compared to the lovely black stuff Vinyl tells a different story, ya seem to remember where ya bought it, who from etc etc... and that lovely pop and crackle noise they make sometimes. As opposed to the crystal clear clarity of cd format... its a vocation collecting vinyl, I think ya either love it or hate it... I love it as previously stated...

The cleaning with the old emitex cloth and the taking out of the sleeve and putting it gently on the deck before cueing it up... excellant stuff.... and the smell of them lovely.......

mmmm.... the smell of old acetates gets me every time....bit like the smell of an old dansette when you open the lid...

[Guest]

i think Bretts original post says it all really... I dont think that anyone disputes the sound quality of a cd, its the coldness of it, compared to the lovely black stuff Vinyl tells a different story, ya seem to remember where ya bought it, who from etc etc... and that lovely pop and crackle noise they make sometimes. As opposed to the crystal clear clarity of cd format... its a vocation collecting vinyl, I think ya either love it or hate it... I love it as previously stated...

The cleaning with the old emitex cloth and the taking out of the sleeve and putting it gently on the deck before cueing it up... excellant stuff.... and the smell of them lovely.......

and lets not forget the incredible artwork that went into vinyl albums covers, just not the same when reduced to CD size

[Guest]

Part of that "Vinyl Sounds Better" thinking comes from how CDs have been mastered for a longer time now. If you play any of those modern waaaay overcompressed CDs on a really good hi-fi system, they sound like crap. Sure, the volume race had begun long before, but back in the 'golden' age of vinyl, there weren't even those tools to compress the music like it's been done from the early 90's with CDs. Also, vinyl can't be pushed so hard, since it's physically "saturated" at a certain level, and even if that level is reached, the distortion is 'warm' compared to the digital signal clipping. So I don't know... maybe an older, properly mastered CD with good dynamics is a match for a well pressed & mastered 12" single, if your comparing them on a decent sound system.

*BTW, I've noticed certain brands of (writable) CD's with audio have degraded over the last 4 years or so, to the extent that they're not even recognised by my CD players anymore! (This is after they've been stored in a drawer and not used for the duration.)

Chris

[Guest NASHEE]

With me it's the 'Thrill of the Chase'

step 1 hear THE song..and savour the feeling of folicle disturbance on arms

step 2 Tremblin, I get me pen out of me anorack pocket and scrawl necessary info onto anything that happens to be close at hand

step 3 go into obsessive mode.. trawl Lists , Surf WWW until eyes feel like they will burst, Pester Record dealers, friends & total strangers alike. until they want to smash you to pulp

step 4 repeat step 3 continuously for days, weeks , months or even years until the prize is in sight

step 5 Pace up and down hallway staring longingly at letterbox. salivate profusely like rabid dog as postperson can be heard struggling with gate....ahhhhhhhhh There is purely and simply no sound, to match that of vinyl landing on the doorstep

step 6 unwrap carefully..caress lovingly..kiss passionately...and place gently onto record deck...BREAK INTO SMILE EXTENDING FROM EARHOLE TO ARSEHOLE...Pure eargasm

REPEAT steps 1 to 6 continuously ADINFINITUM ..cuz you can never never have enough VINYL !!!!

luv from

MISS "manic vinyl jukie" POPCORN

[Guest Brian J]

Vinyl Is King

Music: sade adu and stuart matthewman, Lyrics by Brian Jolley

Vinyl is king,

Crown you in my heart.

Vinyl is king,

Every needle part.

Your hisses ring,

Round and round and round my deck.

Scratching the very part of me.

It's making Soul sing.

Tearing the very heart of me.

I'm crying out for more.

A 45 coming up, I'm cumming.

You're making me dance, inside.

There is no better faith

The CD is a sad and sorry dream.

This is no blind faith

Vinyl...

Vinyl is real... gotta crown me with your heart,

Every needle part,

Touch me.

Never letting go,

Never letting go,

Never going to give Vinyl up.

I'm cumming,

You're making me dance...

[BrianB]

and another way of lookin' at it;

Vinyl is not a better medium as far as quality because it allows for degradation of the original source. This happens a couple of different ways. First every time you spin the needle around the vinyl grooves, you start warping and distorting it. True it takes a while to notice it if you keep your vinyl in good shape and your needles and weights all good, but the source will never degrade on cd. The light that reads the digital bits will never change a 0 to a 1 or vise versa. The reason that vinyl has improved over the years is because it wasn't good to begin with. Second, the needle picks up all vibrations, not just those coming from the vinyl groove.

As a long term storage device, it still isn't. Why should you store your vinyl between 50F-75F and in a vertical position with less than 50% humidity? Because storage conditions will warp the crap out of the record! Cds are much more tolerant of storage conditions and you don't have to worry about them warping under their own weight!

Ok, maybe a 40 year old record that's been kept in good condition sounds "pretty good", but a 40 year old cd (even though they are not that old yet would be truer to the original source. The reason your 5 year old cd has skips is because it was not stored and handled properly and the surface has become scratched etc. This happens with vinyl too though it will actually play sounds that are not true to the original source. A cd will play only 100% or nothing.

The whole reason the cd standard is not improved despite this, is because all of the eq that is out there will not play better than the standard anyway! That is the whole point of having the standard! If you'll do a little research, you'd probably notice that you mixer only has an output frequency range of 20Hz to 20,000Hz, which is exactly the quality that a cd is recorded at. So, even if you the perfect vinyl and the perfect turntable, you'll never get better than cd quality coming out of your mixer! Therefore, being able to tell the difference of a track recorded on a cd versus vinyl is a bunch of crap. Any better sound that people think vinyl has, is killed way before it ever reaches your ears! And in some weird case that it may reach your ears, most people can't even hear as low as 20Hz or as high as 20,000Hz anyway--even those with undamaged hearing. True you may feel things below 20Hz, but if they aren't being outputed from your mixer, it doesn't matter anyway!

Anyone thinking that the quality cannot change due to the "standard" is incorrect. The quality is defined by the source of the original recording, which has been improved over the years. We are using light, how can you improve upon a signal reader like that? The fact that we haven't changed the wavelength of the light (compatibility is due to the same density of information on the disk) just means that we can only fit a certain amount of information in a certain amount of space. The density hasn't changed, but the quality of the actual disk has--hence 80min cd plus overburning. This has nothing to do with quality, but only with space. Think of a DVD, the sound is encoded in surround sound (which is good for movies, and crap for reproducing songs). The only reason that dvds can have surround sound and still have enough space for a digital picture is because they DO USE a different laser so they are able to increase the density of information on the same sized disc.

Anyway, I hope that once and for all, this puts an end to the argument that vinyl has, had or ever will have an edge over cds as far as quality goes!

Don't blame me......I didn't write it!

Brian,

What do you think of the Bose wave cd systems?

[Guest biggray1]

quality

Absolutley Pure Quality. The dont make um like Spike anymore YING TONG YING TONG YING TONG!

[Guest Stuart T]

Anyway, I hope that once and for all, this puts an end to the argument that vinyl has, had or ever will have an edge over cds as far as quality goes!

Don't blame me......I didn't write it!

Err, no I don't think so! CDs have to convert analogue into digital and back into analogue again, else you wouldn't hear it. And so CD never gives you the full recording but just bytes of it.

CD is an inherently flawed and low quality format because of its failure to be fully developed before being foisted on an unsuspecting public. Red book is a piss poor format standard as to what it can reproduce, vinyl is only limited by mechanics, not programming. Improve the mechanics and you improve the sound. Thats why people are trying to improve CD now, as the industry acknowledges that it is far from perfect.

Final proof, my record deck thrashes my CD player, but actually cost the same when new.

[Guest Brian J]

Brian,

What do you think of the Bose wave cd systems?

I think they're freakin' expensive Bri, I've just checked them out on the web!

I honestly don't have a really 'good' CD player in the house mate.

My personal collection is all on vinyl, albeit they're nearly all albums, jazz, soul, blues etc.

So although I posted 'Vinyl is not a better medium as far as quality because ..........'

I'm really a vinyl junkie!

[Guest Stuart T]

So although I posted 'Vinyl is not a better medium as far as quality because ..........'

I'm really a vinyl junkie!

CD is the Devil's format, long live vinyl.

[Guest]

Vinyl is indeed an illustrious medium for conveying music. For me though it has become cumbersome and eccentric. I want it now and I dont want to have to dust if off, lay the needle on and return the record to the sleeve prior to my next spin. I want a play list, I want it coming at me bang bang bang.

I agree, you cannot even place cd's in the same league for sound and excitement. The initial crackle and hiss is like a first sexual encounter... that can be achieved via cd if you have your eyes shut though . A cd recording of an original vinyl record sounds exactly the same.. you just don't have the same labour intensive actions placing the record on a deck.

Of course, there are some that will totally abhor what I have just said - and rightly so as that is what they adore. What I object to is that some believe this genre should only be heard on vinyl. If that is the case you can kiss northern soul goodbye, for the youth of today are not necessarily interested in your eccentricities, they just want the sound. I know my Daughter (10 years old) is very passionate about the sound.. she couldn't care a less about the medium, in fact, the more she can fit on her mp3 player the better. What's so bad about that then?

[Guest Brian J]

Vinyl is indeed an illustrious medium for conveying music. For me though it has become cumbersome and eccentric. I want it now and I dont want to have to dust if off, lay the needle on and return the record to the sleeve prior to my next spin. I want a play list, I want it coming at me bang bang bang.

I agree, you cannot even place cd's in the same league for sound and excitement. The initial crackle and hiss is like a first sexual encounter... that can be achieved via cd if you have your eyes shut though . A cd recording of an original vinyl record sounds exactly the same.. you just don't have the same labour intensive actions placing the record on a deck.

Of course, there are some that will totally abhor what I have just said - and rightly so as that is what they adore. What I object to is that some believe this genre should only be heard on vinyl. If that is the case you can kiss northern soul goodbye, for the youth of today are not necessarily interested in your eccentricities, they just want the sound. I know my Daughter (10 years old) is very passionate about the sound.. she couldn't care a less about the medium, in fact, the more she can fit on her mp3 player the better. What's so bad about that then?

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I say hanging's too good for her.......burn the witch!!!

[Guest]

Vinyl is indeed an illustrious medium for conveying music. For me though it has become cumbersome and eccentric. I want it now and I dont want to have to dust if off, lay the needle on and return the record to the sleeve prior to my next spin. I want a play list, I want it coming at me bang bang bang.

I agree, you cannot even place cd's in the same league for sound and excitement. The initial crackle and hiss is like a first sexual encounter... that can be achieved via cd if you have your eyes shut though . A cd recording of an original vinyl record sounds exactly the same.. you just don't have the same labour intensive actions placing the record on a deck.

Of course, there are some that will totally abhor what I have just said - and rightly so as that is what they adore. What I object to is that some believe this genre should only be heard on vinyl. If that is the case you can kiss northern soul goodbye, for the youth of today are not necessarily interested in your eccentricities, they just want the sound. I know my Daughter (10 years old) is very passionate about the sound.. she couldn't care a less about the medium, in fact, the more she can fit on her mp3 player the better. What's so bad about that then?

Karen, I appreciate your sentiments, but the whole ethos of the "Rare Soul Scene" is built upon the playing and collecting of original vinyl records. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a child listening to the music through whatever medium, but I'd like to think that with time and education the "addiction" would take hold, thus continuing the very foundation that we hold so dear.

To quote Voltaire.....

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it.

.

Edited October 19, 2005 by Brett

[Guest]

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I say hanging's too good for her.......burn the witch!!!

[Guest Richard Bergman]

Vinyl is KING it is also sometimes Federal or Behtlehem (sorry)

Edited October 19, 2005 by Richard Bergman

[Makemvinyl]

Yep, know what you mean Dawn....

it's on a par with that rubber smell you get when you put on a gimp mask.

talking of which, must remember to lock my babies in the cupboard and sort it out for tonight.

seen Dawns Rubber ? Gee this Friday Grantham did u know

Mighty one

[Guest]

Footnote........Just played Cal Brandon on Hitman..........enough said....

[Billywhizz]

Why is it that a vinyl record can hold so much beauty and mystique as opposed to the foul and ugly CD, I've just had an hour playing and handling vinyl LP's, the aesthetic is absolute, the sheer thrill of holding and placing this piece of history on the turntable and gently lifting the tone arm across, then gently letting it fall in the dead wax.......then the anticipation, it holds your attention that Shhhh noise .....THEN THE SOUND BREAKS THROUGH...the emotion overflows, besides the wonderful musical resonance, there is the chance to watch this superlative Black object move almost to the rhythm and tempo of the song. Yet the CD in comparison is a heinous and filthy little creature, devoid of any charisma, even when I place the hound in the tray it disappears into the dark grey abyss of the machine...almost hiding itself in shame, as if it realises that in my household he/she is surrounded by illustrious vinyl relations whom look down in disdain at this urchin in it's god damn awful jewell case............

In conclusion I'll quote the late great Spike Milligan, who upon being woken as a small child , in the middle of the night by his father and being asked.."Son, I Have Never Shot A Tiger"...Spike replied rubbing his eyes "Why Are You Telling Me This"....his father replied...."I Had To Tell Someone"....

Spot on vinyl forever Brett,bring back the vinyl kiosk I surpose u r to young to remember that.

Billy

[mischief]

The only problem with vinyl Brett is its a bit hard to play and store in your car and thats where the beauty of a CD really comes in.

Craig know what you need

https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/50s-or-60s-...sspagenameZWDVW

imagine taking your playbox out in your car

[Codfromderby]

Why is it that a vinyl record can hold so much beauty and mystique as opposed to the foul and ugly CD, I've just had an hour playing and handling vinyl LP's, the aesthetic is absolute, the sheer thrill of holding and placing this piece of history on the turntable and gently lifting the tone arm across, then gently letting it fall in the dead wax.......then the anticipation, it holds your attention that Shhhh noise .....THEN THE SOUND BREAKS THROUGH...the emotion overflows, besides the wonderful musical resonance, there is the chance to watch this superlative Black object move almost to the rhythm and tempo of the song. Yet the CD in comparison is a heinous and filthy little creature, devoid of any charisma, even when I place the hound in the tray it disappears into the dark grey abyss of the machine...almost hiding itself in shame, as if it realises that in my household he/she is surrounded by illustrious vinyl relations whom look down in disdain at this urchin in it's god damn awful jewell case............

In conclusion I'll quote the late great Spike Milligan, who upon being woken as a small child , in the middle of the night by his father and being asked.."Son, I Have Never Shot A Tiger"...Spike replied rubbing his eyes "Why Are You Telling Me This"....his father replied...."I Had To Tell Someone"....

Why is it that a vinyl record can hold so much beauty and mystique as opposed to the foul and ugly CD, I've just had an hour playing and handling vinyl LP's, the aesthetic is absolute, the sheer thrill of holding and placing this piece of history on the turntable and gently lifting the tone arm across, then gently letting it fall in the dead wax.......then the anticipation, it holds your attention that Shhhh noise .....THEN THE SOUND BREAKS THROUGH...the emotion overflows, besides the wonderful musical resonance, there is the chance to watch this superlative Black object move almost to the rhythm and tempo of the song. Yet the CD in comparison is a heinous and filthy little creature, devoid of any charisma, even when I place the hound in the tray it disappears into the dark grey abyss of the machine...almost hiding itself in shame, as if it realises that in my household he/she is surrounded by illustrious vinyl relations whom look down in disdain at this urchin in it's god damn awful jewell case............

In conclusion I'll quote the late great Spike Milligan, who upon being woken as a small child , in the middle of the night by his father and being asked.."Son, I Have Never Shot A Tiger"...Spike replied rubbing his eyes "Why Are You Telling Me This"....his father replied...."I Had To Tell Someone"....

[Guest espo]

Just had a cd track(Maysa Leek ----Friendly Pressure ) put onto vinyl-----Great record but something about playing it on the decks ---Makes it better