The One Show

[Guest]

Ref;Frank Wilson ....Question......how did Russ have a copy from the 'Motown vaults' when the only copy in existance pre-1992 belonged to......

Tom Dieperro who foolishly loaned it to Simon Soussan(1977)

who sold it to Les McCutcheon(1978) who moved it onto Jonathan Woodliffe(1979) who then sold it to me(1980).

The original copy stayed in my hands until 1991, when sold to Tim Brown for 5k.

I don't remember RW offering me £1,000 as stated on the One Show last night.

Funny old game eh!

Winstanley did have a copy which from the Motown vaults Kev ....... but it was one on an acetate done by Saucepan .

Malc

[Guest SoulNinja]

I got into work today and was told by three people, 'there was a thing on telly last night about your music'.

I just watched it; for the sake of 4 minutes it was pretty harmless really, compared to Mr O'Grady's circus debacle. And if it recruits a few new faces then 'bring it on', I say. After all, it was a few Granada Casino clips on the Rock & Goal Years which got me started.

Jem

[Little-stevie]

When's he on then? Surely you jumped at the chance to book the fella previously voted "the best DJ in the world" ...

The show was as expected - very poor.

not gonna bother watching that..

Russ was on at a bar in Manc on the bank hols, Frank Wilson got spun in both his spots

I would not care if i never heard the w words again... Wigan or Wilson...

How much did the agent ask for ....

[Mike Lofthouse]

I'm sure it's not just the Northern / Rare soul scene where the media consistently gets it wrong

There's probably lots of people who are into other music scenes who cringe every time something hits their TV screens

Totally agree - mind after a quick look in the gallery section on this forum I'm not so sure the show was entirely inaccurate

[De-to]

here is the prog via bbci player the action !!! starts at about 16mins,imo its sort of ok,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b010y5kz/The_One_Show_02_05_2011/

[Kevinkent]

I watched the program and really enjoyed the nostalgia...............

..seeing the late Henry Cooper, a fellow splasher of Brut, visiting his boyhood home.

Reminiscing about his mothers culinary skills with a sheeps head really took me back to the good old days!

Good on yer "Our Ennery" - THAT was true nostalgia. R.I.P.

- Kev

[Dylan]

starts about 16 mins in for those who haven't seen it yet.

did the 45 actually sell for 26k in the manship auction I thought it was much less than thatn more like the 15k kenny paid ?

amazing he can go on national TV and claim to have had the record when every man and his dog knows he didn't.

so far removed from what I believe NS is about.

[Guest nubes]

, his agent contacted me to ask if I'd heard of him and if I wanted to book him for Rugby...

Erm... sure he had posted last year.....on the Rugby Soul Club page.... on FB...way before this One Show....that he would be willing to DJ at Rugby anyway.....doing a Wigan spot ???...........Delxxxx

[Stevie]

What's really ironic is that they filmed this lightweight, superficial and irrelevant tosh in an empty Haigh Hall at Wigan.

Meanwhile on the same day more than 3,000 soulies were filling Pontins at Prestatyn for the soul weekender!' />

Which as we all know is the real deal..

Sadly I could not make it this year, which was so disappointing as I was desperate for a 'Northern Soul' teaset and place mats.

[Guest Matt Male]

Funny you should say that, his agent contacted me to ask if I'd heard of him and if I wanted to book him for Rugby...

I dare you to put him on in the freestyle room. Oh go on...

[Guest]

I dare you to put him on in the freestyle room. Oh go on...

We would have to have a name change to the "free of style" room

[Guest Matt Male]

We would have to have a name change to the "free of style" room

I just watched that clip

Carrie Grant says with surprise, "The Wigan sessions ran as allnighters, without alcohol..."

[Rugby Soul Club]

How much did the agent ask for ....

We didn't get that far.

Erm... sure he had posted last year.....on the Rugby Soul Club page.... on FB...way before this One Show....that he would be willing to DJ at Rugby anyway.....doing a Wigan spot ???...........Delxxxx

I did say he'd already offered his services on FB and I would contact him that way if needed...

I dare you to put him on in the freestyle room. Oh go on...

Don't be so disrespectful Matt...

Everyone is welcome in the Freestyle Room, I will not have your snobbery rear it's ugly head...

We would have to have a name change to the "free of style" room

And there lies the problem...

[John A]

Which as we all know is the real deal..

Sadly I could not make it this year, which was so disappointing as I was desperate for a 'Northern Soul' teaset and place mats.

I think RW would have gone down a storm in the main room.. Perhaps his agent should get on to the midnight hour crew

[Dave Abbott]

We would have to have a name change to the "free of style" room

quote of the year Ken PML

my Mum enjoyed it

[grantdyche]

Complete and utter Soul Police Snobbery,

99.9% of this thead,

Once again if it was at / or about Wigan / Winstanley,Well then it's shite,

Don't see many or any tv features on Stafford or the Mecca,Remember the one with Ady C for Channel 4 a few years back,But that's about it,

This once again as turned into another let's slag off Wigan Casino / Russ Winstanley thread,

Having read many threads on this site,Concerning the need to introduce new people to "The Scene",Why straight away do you start to call people,

The post about Sandy Holts type of hair style says it all,

I'm a fat beer bellied bald headed bloke LIKE many of you on here,Show the guy some dueThe BBC asked him to be on "The One Show" not the reverse,Typical comments all the way through this thread as per usual,

There are many on here who never went to Wigan Casino /Wheel / Torch etc.etc.,BUT there are loads more who wished that they had,

The Media show interest in The Casino because it was THERE at the TIME,

The quotes on the attendance figures would have been a slip of the tongue,But consider at the time circa 76-79 that Northern Soul and Wigan Casino were at it's largest,And that the Casino were running mid week nights.Oldies on a Friday,The Saturday all-nighter,And the odd All-Dayer,Plus the normal nights,Well those figures are not far off the mark,

Take a rain check people and start having a go at someone or somewhere else,

It was a nightclub that served the needs of the people at the time,Not the anti-christ of Northern Soul,And Russ Winstanley was not in any way the SATAN that many people would have him painted to be,

There are and were others involveed in This scene we call ours,Who did a lot more and a lot worse!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shsdave]

Which as we all know is the real deal..

Sadly I could not make it this year, which was so disappointing as I was desperate for a 'Northern Soul' teaset and place mats.

[Stevie]

It was a nightclub that served the needs of the people at the time

And therein lies the rub. At the time it was constantly moving forward with a fast turnover of records. I will always have fond memories of the Casino but prefer to continue in the same traditions today, still looking for new sounds.

[Alan Bonthrone1]

The Henry Cooper Bit Was Good.

[timthemod]

One things for sure Carrie can't dance!

[julia123]

Get with it BBC

Edited May 4, 2011 by julia123

[Soul-slider]

One things for sure Carrie can't dance!

I still fancy her though

[Guest Alfa166]

Well I watched it only after reading this forum and becoming aware that this piece of 'reportage' existed.....thanks, 4 mins of my life I will never get back

Well it wasn't very cool was it, unless overweight Arthur Scargill look-a-likes are back in fashion ...and then I remembered that Northern Soul isn't very cool because the very people that populate todays Northern dance floors (us) are not supposed to be doing this anymore! We are supposed to be enjoying our growing families ( which we do), enjoying our successful careers in middle management or better (which a few of us might be) and thinking of ways to spend our substantial savings (which we don't have). Northern Soul was cool in our teens, it gave us identity, fashion, escapism from the pressure of a crap poorly paid job and the pressure from our parents for having a crap poorly paid job. It was about being out all night with like minded 'cool' people dancing to an elite soundtrack. And if we were really lucky get a girlfriend\ boyfriend out of it.

Northern was supposed to be a fleeting moment in our youthful progresion and not a life long commitment. Overweight, silver sliders are not cool and that is why there is no significant new blood to make Northern live again. 'Our' very presence on the scene is the catalyst for the Northern decay!

I AM an "Over-weight Silver Slider" that regularly insists on turning up to Soul Nites and stumbling around to Tommy Neal, etc, manifesting an unacceptable level of sweat and I love it, but I really don't think anybody would want to watch it on TV whilst having their Tea. So I am not surpised that The Casino Years are whats dredged up as the epitome of Northern Soul because that is when Youth Culture was mainly at the centre of it and that is what made it cool. And we can't now dismiss Russ and Co for their part in it, we should be grateful.

Cheers

Alfie

[Guest ScooterNik]

I'm not going to comment on the piece itself, I can't be bothered watching it TBH... The Casino was before my time, so of little interest in a lot of respects.

With regard to RW though, he probably looks at todays scene and asks himself where it all went wrong. All those lovely Wigan records that are neglected/forgotten in favour of something he doesn't see as Northern Soul. He's by no means unique in that attitude either, look at the success of oldies nighters for proof.

Horses for courses and all that, those of us on here are just a different aspect of the wonderful variety that is Northern Soul. RW is a different one. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong though, just 'different'.

[Guest Ste Brazil]

...it was better than the god awfull O'Grady thing I suppose.

I still don't get why there is so much anger and resentment over this, it was only on tv for ten mins, yes it was predictable waffle but so what, better than watching ten minutes about the latest boy band that has fallen off the mass production conveyor belt etc etc...

[Dylan]

Well I watched it only after reading this forum and becoming aware that this piece of 'reportage' existed.....thanks, 4 mins of my life I will never get back

Well it wasn't very cool was it, unless overweight Arthur Scargill look-a-likes are back in fashion ...and then I remembered that Northern Soul isn't very cool because the very people that populate todays Northern dance floors (us) are not supposed to be doing this anymore! We are supposed to be enjoying our growing families ( which we do), enjoying our successful careers in middle management or better (which a few of us might be) and thinking of ways to spend our substantial savings (which we don't have). Northern Soul was cool in our teens, it gave us identity, fashion, escapism from the pressure of a crap poorly paid job and the pressure from our parents for having a crap poorly paid job. It was about being out all night with like minded 'cool' people dancing to an elite soundtrack. And if we were really lucky get a girlfriend\ boyfriend out of it.

Northern was supposed to be a fleeting moment in our youthful progresion and not a life long commitment. Overweight, silver sliders are not cool and that is why there is no significant new blood to make Northern live again. 'Our' very presence on the scene is the catalyst for the Northern decay!

I AM an "Over-weight Silver Slider" that regularly insists on turning up to Soul Nites and stumbling around to Tommy Neal, etc, manifesting an unacceptable level of sweat and I love it, but I really don't think anybody would want to watch it on TV whilst having their Tea. So I am not surpised that The Casino Years are whats dredged up as the epitome of Northern Soul because that is when Youth Culture was mainly at the centre of it and that is what made it cool. And we can't now dismiss Russ and Co for their part in it, we should be grateful.

Cheers

Alfie

I think you have made some very good points here. Exactly the reasosn why a lot of new comers are put off.

but it does seem unique in spanning generations. The rfave culture of the late 80s and 90s has been and gone and I don't see that coming back.

[Russ Vickers]

Complete and utter Soul Police Snobbery,

99.9% of this thead,

Absolute tosh.........every time anyone posts anything about a current scene some one bleats Soul Police or Snobbery.

Once again if it was at / or about Wigan / Winstanley,Well then it's shite,

Wigan Casino was an amazing veneue I loved it, but there were other amazing venues before, during & after WC with fantastic play lists - & the scene has moved on. I dont know Russ Winstanley & I have never spoken to him, I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, so its not about him personally, but about the way he continues to promote himself.

For decades there have been scores of venues that have been influential - but because the promoters have chosen not to jump on the media band wagon they dont get the attention that WC does. The documentary 'This England' has a lot to answer for IMHO - & lets be honest here, do you think the BBC came up with the initial idea for that part of the programme - I very much doubt it.

Russ Winstanley has a 'gravy train' that conatantly feeds his ego (which we all have - nothing wrong with that really) & creates an income, it is in RW interests to contact the media on key dates & generally keep the Casino 'alive' - do you really think this is done for purely nostalgia reasons, cos of you do you are very naive.

Don't see many or any tv features on Stafford or the Mecca,Remember the one with Ady C for Channel 4 a few years back,But that's about it,

The Ady C thing was done very well & Ady was promoting the MUSIC not himself, thats why no one got the hump.

This once again as turned into another let's slag off Wigan Casino / Russ Winstanley thread,

Bollox - If RW handled things better I dont think anyone would have an issue. But his tendancy to twist the truth, look back with rose tinted specs & to refuse to acknowledge any other venue, promoter or even that NS moved on from WC decades ago frustrates people who see NS as an evolution which continues to this day. It strikes me that RW probably has no understanding of the scene post WC & to present day & to DJ at a venu like Rugby would have hilarious & tragic consequences - its almost not worth debating it has that little to do with Northern Soul of the past 30 odd years of the scene.

Having read many threads on this site,Concerning the need to introduce new people to "The Scene",Why straight away do you start to call people,

The post about Sandy Holts type of hair style says it all,

I'm a fat beer bellied bald headed bloke LIKE many of you on here,Show the guy some dueThe BBC asked him to be on "The One Show" not the reverse,Typical comments all the way through this thread as per usual,

RW would have put Sandy's name forward as you wel know. Again, sure SH is a nice bloke, but he has dined out on WC for years & if he chooses to wear his hair like that, then he is fair game IMO. As for attracting new blood to the scene - well, I had to pick myself up off the floor from laughing - you really do need to seek some serious medical advise if you believe that embarrassing rubbish would attract anyone other than someone with mental illness to NS lol.

There are many on here who never went to Wigan Casino /Wheel / Torch etc.etc.,BUT there are loads more who wished that they had,

Your point is ?.........do you think the show depicted NS very well then & enlightened people ?.

The Media show interest in The Casino because it was THERE at the TIME,

Most of the media have no idea about WC until RW contacts them I imagine.

The quotes on the attendance figures would have been a slip of the tongue,But consider at the time circa 76-79 that Northern Soul and Wigan Casino were at it's largest,And that the Casino were running mid week nights.Oldies on a Friday,The Saturday all-nighter,And the odd All-Dayer,Plus the normal nights,Well those figures are not far off the mark,

Fair point.

Take a rain check people and start having a go at someone or somewhere else,

RW sets himself up.

It was a nightclub that served the needs of the people at the time,Not the anti-christ of Northern Soul,And Russ Winstanley was not in any way the SATAN that many people would have him painted to be,

RW was an opportunist, he saw that NS was potentially a way of making money. Yes he had a NS mobile Disco prior to WC, but he also had dabbled with Heavey Rock. He was a Mobile DJ trying to make a living. When the Torch closed, he saw a gap in the market for an Allnighter, which turned out to be successful beyond his wildest dreams. The 50 pounds a week that this generated as a wage was ridicules, particularly as the years went by, so money had to be generated in other ways, through merchandising, record labels etc, etc, WC became a brand/product & to this day it remains such. As we all know the WC name is used to sell a whole array of different things. RW is still to this day living off past glories - nothing wrong with this in some ways, we all have to make a crust after all, but its just the way the'whole' scene is tarnished by the way this is done & the image portrayed, RW is not the Satan, but neither is he the God of NS as others, including himself would have you believe.

There are and were others involveed in This scene we call ours,Who did a lot more and a lot worse!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes there were - but I think RW has done better than most & continues to do so !!!

My post is in no way trying to say RW is a bad person generally, but genuine soul folk get frustrated about his attitude towards NS, he is probably a top bloke & all round good egg - Just dislike the way NS is being used, twisted, turned & regurgitated to suit peoples misguided perceptions of how it was & in turn give non soulies or non NS ificienardos a wrong impression of not only how it was, but how it is today. This is & the above is only my opinion.

Best Russ

[Steve G]

My post is in no way trying to say RW is a bad person generally, but genuine soul folk get frustrated about his attitude towards NS, he is probably a top bloke & all round good egg - Just dislike the way NS is being used, twisted, turned & regurgitated to suit peoples misguided perceptions of how it was & in turn give non soulies or non NS ificienardos a wrong impression of not only how it was, but how it is today. This is & the above is only my opinion.

Best Russ

Hi Russ,

Russ W is quite a nice guy when you talk to him - but he doesn't really know anything about the music (his book proved that), or the scene in the 30 years post Wigan closing - and that is what turns people off. A bit of nostalgia once in a while is OK, but it's the "Same old song" everytime with RW and his numerous TV appearances. In fairness to the guy he does draw a crowd whenever he plays so Rugby take note! However you know you are going to get Frank Wilson with the dodgy stuck on label, Tommy Hunt, Flirtations etc. and the same 25 sounds. He has an agent as well? That'll explain how he keeps getting the BBC 'gig' then.

Peace Love and Harmony......

[Ady Croasdell]

Oh well, just watched it. It's a shame they didn't mention a couple of places where it's still happening.

Was 'S O S' Northern? That's like saying 'I Can't Help Myself' is. Did I miss something?

[viphitman]

Jesus ya moaning old bastards The feature is a little cheesy and has a few inaccuracies but is pretty harmless nonetheless. I do understand why some bits get on you nerves but I could also moan about the fact that the current european szene is never mentioned in any uk production talking about northern soul in general!!!! Btw. we have excellent nights/allnighter/weekenders with great records & great dancers lalalalala.... oh shit now I did moan about it ....ah well...

[Pete S]

Some of you really do get your knickers in a twist over absolutely nothing don't you, a 5 minute fluff piece, nothing wrong with it, very enjoyable for people like my Mom who remembers me and mates going off to Wigan every week, Russ & Sandy not the best experts they could have had on but so what? As I keep saying; the only way you're going to get a film that you all like, is to make one yourself. Get a video camera, go and interview the 50 most influential movers and shakers on the scene right at this moment, then you'll have an accurate record of what NS was about in 2011.

[Little-stevie]

Over weight Silver Sliders...

A new term on me but one i shall cherish....

Thats poetry and motion...

Cheers Alfie...

[Guest HALIFAXFREESOUL]

My ten penneth in a completely non provocative way....

I also find it very amusing how "underground" or "retro" interests are portrayed in the media by reporters and journalists who have little or no background knowledge in the subject that they are featuring. The One Show feature I personally thought wasn't particularly good. It was OK. It would have been nice to hear some better tracks perhaps, and loose the dancing lesson which was at best embarrassing. Would have been better to film a full dance floor somewhere to show that more than two people attend events these days! Was it bad for the NS Scene at all? - I don't think so. Will it do it any good? - probably not!

In august last year, along with colleagues from the Yorkshire Scooter Alliance, organised a world record breaking scooter ride over the Humber Bridge, smashing the existing World record of five hundred and odd machines and setting a new record of 860. The media interest was very good, but much of it centered around pap - for example - Whitey from the Kaiser Chiefs taking part. Woo fucking Hoo!

The BBC took an interest also, but in the TV Feature couldn't help themslelves in harping on about clashes between mods and rockers in the 60s. Its always the same. Those who know nothing or very little about scootering have all seen photos of parka clad mods from the 60s and think every scooter is adorned with fox tails and mirrors, so that is the popular image that (however you look at it - fortunately or unfortunately) is portrayed by the mass media.

Here is the interview with yours truly - you will see what I mean BBC LOOK NORTH INTERVIEW

The same obviously applies to the Northern scene. Put something on a mainstream feature programme like the One Show, and it is bound to feature that really expensive record, the stuff about Wigan Casino, the cheesey dancing lesson. Because thats what people with a little knowledge associate with NS. The number of people who confuse Wigan Casino with Wigan Pier - that's funny too!

As for Russ Winstanley - why are people so abusive on a public forum about him? Russ DJs with us at Halifax Free Soul Club, and I can only describe the guy as an absolute gentleman. He is not up his own arse in any way shape or form. He is in no way flash or acts the "Mister Big" at any time. Nor have I herd him have a bad word to say about anyone else. Russ always spends a lot of his time at HFSC chatting happily with the punters and giving away freebies. The feedback I get after most events from the people who come is "what a smashing bloke"

I approached Russ on Facebook (not through an agent) and find his rates (which the venue pay - we run a free entry event) very reasonable for what he brings to the party. This includes plugging the event through his Facebook page and BBC Radio show. Is this the bad thing I wonder?

I personally am relatively new to the NS Scene (fell in love with the music on the Scooter Scene about 4 years ago - thanks to one particular DJ playing some stunning stuff I'd never heard) so maybe I have got it all wrong. If someone could tell me why, I would be grateful. And that isn't sarcasm - I would genuinely like to know what has happened to generate the dislike that surrounds not just Russ W, but other "names" on the scene. I hear this stuff all the time.

Please don't slate me for my lack of Casino/ Torch/Mecca attendance or years of service on the scene. I am trying to understand something other than the music, which I like to think I am getting a pretty good grip on.

Id just also like to think people could "get on" in what was, has been, and most importantly still is a brilliant and vibrant scene.

[Gold Band]

What's really ironic is that they filmed this lightweight, superficial and irrelevant tosh in an empty Haigh Hall at Wigan.

Meanwhile on the same day more than 3,000 soulies were filling Pontins at Prestatyn for the soul weekender!

Spot On Dave

[Agentsmith]

well, ive just caught up with this, having missed it on monday...its always more of a surprise to find out who the closet dwelling northern soul lovers are amongst the glitterati. nevertheless, i dont know why but i tend to cringe at how the media portrays the scene on tv....do they really still NOT understand just how popular this music is...40+years on?. contradicting that, it also instills a glow that they DO pay attention..., however irreverand their attention to detail....could that be because they realize just who mundane the contemporary music format is today??er,....real soul produced in america is exempt of course which shows that a clutch of artists/producers are still interested in making creative music without resorting too much to technology, but that stems from the fact most of these people have instilled the idealogical roots that hark back to what was born in the 50's and 60's and theyre keep ing the flame alive in the new millenium.

if there's a grouch here, its the fact they always wheel out the same tunes, synonymous with the microcosm of knowledge they have about the scene and they always refer to dusty bin ala casino minutae. that'll probably never change

[Steve G]

The trouble is Northern soul is a meaningless term at this point in time. It encompasses everything from Motown spins in the early 70s, through Wigan, Stafford, 100 Club, Oldies, Newies, through to todays fragmented scene. That makes covering it very hard.

I have seen some good documentaries - The Cleethorpes one was good, and the Colin Curtis one Central TV did was excellent.

Look at this lot of youngsters then

Edited May 5, 2011 by Steve G

[Pete S]

The trouble is Northern soul is a meaningless term at this point in time. It encompasses everything from Motown spins in the early 70s, through Wigan, Stafford, 100 Club, Oldies, Newies, through to todays fragmented scene. That makes covering it very hard.

I have seen some good documentaries - The Cleethorpes one was good, and the Colin Curtis one Central TV did was excellent.

Look at this lot of youngsters then

Some great dancing on there, but why all the acrobatics, I'll never understand that...it died out by 1976 apart from spins.

[Goldsoul]

Winstanley did have a copy which from the Motown vaults Kev ....... but it was one on an acetate done by Saucepan .

Malc

But how could he pay £1,000 for the original as stated on the TV clip? I didn't sell it until 1991!

Edited May 5, 2011 by The Golden 101

[viphitman]

Look at this lot of youngsters then

I think this dance class ( and hopefully the film as well) is great to watch and may gets a few interested rather then this mainstream feature watched by ???? !!! Most of the kids are doing it for the film but once you check out all the little videos you can see how they progress and enjoying it more and more !!!

[Guest in town Mikey]

Winstanley did have a copy which from the Motown vaults Kev ....... but it was one on an acetate done by Saucepan .

Malc

But how could he pay £1,000 for the original as stated on the TV clip? I didn't sell it until 1991!

I thought he said he SOLD it for a grand in 1981?

[Guest Byrney]

Over weight Silver Sliders...

A new term on me but one i shall cherish....

Thats poetry and motion...

Cheers Alfie...

I'm sure this is a new fangled ACORN demographic clasification used in marketing

Class

[Guest HALIFAXFREESOUL]

I thought he said he SOLD it for a grand in 1981?

"..........SOLD IT IN 1979 FOR £1000"

[Guest Byrney]

I think this dance class ( and hopefully the film as well) is great to watch and may gets a few interested rather then this mainstream feature watched by ???? !!! Most of the kids are doing it for the film but once you check out all the little videos you can see how they progress and enjoying it more and more !!!

So do I, if you're going to make a film set in the 70s in my view this is the way to do it, train a load of youngsters to dance, get them to feel the music (clearly some of them do) and film them. This shows to me the integrity of the film team by investing that much time into getting it right . So much better than getting shed loads of ..... Silver Sliders... to turn up for a day, dance and then edit them out of the final cut as the other film (other than a couple of movers in soft focus).

[Mark S]

Imagine for a moment if the media did get the scene , they would have sucked the life out of it by now .

Despite the best efforts of RW and others to garner public interest, thankfully it aint gonna happen .

Right on , Keep the faith

[Goldsoul]

"..........SOLD IT IN 1979 FOR £1000"

He didn't have it to sell in 1979! For the record, I do like Russ, but he continues making this stupid untruth everytime the cameras are on.

Les McCutcheon sold it to Jonathon Woodliffe it late 1979........it was then sold to me in 1980. Those are the facts.

[Guest HALIFAXFREESOUL]

thanks for that - I was just quoting what was said on the video.

[Rugby Soul Club]

I'm not going to comment on the piece itself, I can't be bothered watching it TBH... The Casino was before my time, so of little interest in a lot of respects.

With regard to RW though, he probably looks at todays scene and asks himself where it all went wrong. All those lovely Wigan records that are neglected/forgotten in favour of something he doesn't see as Northern Soul. He's by no means unique in that attitude either, look at the success of oldies nighters for proof.

Horses for courses and all that, those of us on here are just a different aspect of the wonderful variety that is Northern Soul. RW is a different one. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong though, just 'different'.

Quite a good post, looked at from a different perspective...

I love that we are all so different, yet at times we actually agree... How boring if we all liked everything the same...

Viva la difference...

[manus]

I'm not going to comment on the piece itself, I can't be bothered watching it TBH... The Casino was before my time, so of little interest in a lot of respects.

With regard to RW though, he probably looks at todays scene and asks himself where it all went wrong. All those lovely Wigan records that are neglected/forgotten in favour of something he doesn't see as Northern Soul. He's by no means unique in that attitude either, look at the success of oldies nighters for proof.

Horses for courses and all that, those of us on here are just a different aspect of the wonderful variety that is Northern Soul. RW is a different one. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong though, just 'different'.

Good post - but from a different perspective a lot of the records Russ spun at Wigan particularly in the later days weren't seen as Northern Soul but rather out and out pop. Pop records have always been played but the feeling from many at the time 77/78 was that certain DJs were dropping the Soul Roots from Northern and the percentage of pop records were overwhelming. So I would find it slightly ironic that Russ would lament the lack of Northern Soul records on todays scene.

I had a great time at Wigan loved some of the records and disliked others - but hats off to RW for getting it off the ground whatever his motives.

Cheers

Manus

[KevH]

Some good points being made but...move on chaps,there's nothing to see here..

[Dave Abbott]

He didn't have it to sell in 1979! For the record, I do like Russ, but he continues making this stupid untruth everytime the cameras are on.

he does it in his book claiming that he got this package from the USA and he opened it and there was FW on the Soul label....why lie??? when we all know it's crap

and for that reason; I'm out.