Across The Board Nights

[Julie Moore]

say it as you see it Julie im glad it aint just me who thinks this way

Bearsy , Be at the my Birthday bash 20/08/2011 and you will just get a real taste of ATB

Julie xx

[Liljimmycrank]

They basically mean oldies with 70's Northern and the odd Angie Stone or summat like.

Most promoters who use it should be taken to task under the trades description act!! unless of course they play everything from 60's right through the decades, and not just a few non 60's.

Ey up Chalky,

Genuine question from me in response to this...........

I appled the term 'across the board' to our Driving Beat nights (mainly in discussions with people and on the events forum, not mentioned on flyers).

Would you say that was genuine across the board having DJ'd there? Just interested as i believe it does class as across teh board and is not an oldies night with the odd 70's, given the mix of what's played. Similar to Move On etc where they mix it up with a bit of everything.

[SOULCENTRAL]

Regardless how you choose your night a flyer is advertising and the same for any product it should reflect what it says it offers, if not it is false advertising

HI CHALKS,

As someone said earlier this is a can of worms that could be well and truly be opened up again!!

Bearsy seems to place the emphasis on too much Northern oldies being played at ATB NIGHTS which probably does not fall in with his own musical tastes anyway(not being critical here just an observation) but to be fair he has a point. I have been to a few events which advertised similairly ie Underplayed,70s,crossover and northern night only to be met with aload of 60s/R&b dross that virtually put me off the rare and underplayed scene for good. So it does work both ways.

Lets all canvass our local MPs to put forward a motion in parliament to outlaw the term ATB when advertising soul nights then nobody will be disillusioned.

Secondly get promotors to advertise on their flyers the two main genres of music they wish to have played and supplement it with a "smattering of" for any other genres that will be played. :yes:

Unforunately i dont think this will ever happen.

So how many "types" of soul events do we have to contend with now?????

Across the Board

Northern and Tamla

Rare and Underplayed

R and B and 60s

Crossover, 70s and Modern

Leave you with that one , time to find the coedine i have a headache coming on :)

ROY

[Chalky]

If you advertise as Across The Board, to me it is what I said earlier, everything up to the present day, not simply the odd track or two either but a good percentage of everything. Some might see the flyer and go as much for the modern as well as the Northern but are ultimately disappointed when they get Angie Stone and a few 70's tracks. Maybe as Roy says promoters should begin to be a bit more specific as to what they play.

60's and 70's I don't consider across the board, many 70's played and listed on this forum in playlists are well and truly accepted by most on the scene but they are essentially oldies.

Too many have a narrow view as to what ATB means but to me it is 60's, 70's, 80's 90's and 2000 and beyond all in the same room, bit like it was back in the 80's when modern Dj's could be found on the line up at an all-nighter and later at venues like Albrighton. How many Modern Dj's do you see at Northern venues? Especially those that claim to be across the board.

[Mark Bicknell]

I agree.

There are loads of flyer's featuring girls wearing full circle skirts. Now I am not saying anything about what people should or should not wear but one look at those flyer's and I would expect those nights to be out and out oldies.

Am I wrong?

The real deal nights Joan are where the girls don't wear any knickers, sod the circle skirts give me no knickers any day of the week lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Cunnie]

If you advertise as Across The Board, to me it is what I said earlier, everything up to the present day, not simply the odd track or two either but a good percentage of everything. Some might see the flyer and go as much for the modern as well as the Northern but are ultimately disappointed when they get Angie Stone and a few 70's tracks. Maybe as Roy says promoters should begin to be a bit more specific as to what they play.

60's and 70's I don't consider across the board, many 70's played and listed on this forum in playlists are well and truly accepted by most on the scene but they are essentially oldies.

Too many have a narrow view as to what ATB means but to me it is 60's, 70's, 80's 90's and 2000 and beyond all in the same room, bit like it was back in the 80's when modern Dj's could be found on the line up at an all-nighter and later at venues like Albrighton. How many Modern Dj's do you see at Northern venues? Especially those that claim to be across the board.

One of the best posts on Soul Source for a long time (& I'm not just saying that because you are a fellow Mod Chalky).

Totally agree 100% with you that ATB should mean exactly that. Soulful dance music regardless of when it was made be it 60's Northern, crossover, uptempo 70's & 80's right through to Soulful House & the latest current releases in equal measures.

Can only think of one place at the moment that gets anywhere near to doing all of this under 1 roof & that's the Red Bar in Wakefield when the Wakefield City Soul Club run their nights & their Summer dayers.

Good to see you mention the 80's as people were far more tolerant to hearing a different sound then.

Remember Richard Searling at Clifton Hall giving Never Too Much - Luther it's first ever UK spin? In the very same spot he played things like Gene Toones, Combinations, Vicky Baines etc & the same people danced to them all. Now can you imagine that happening these days?

Think a lot of people need to think for a while & ask themselves this question.

Are you a pigeonholed fan of (insert word of your choice here, ie, Northern, Modern etc) or are you a fan of Soul music regardless of genre?

[Mike]

thread and a half

to me its just another term, thats use has evolved to mean something different than it did 10 years ago

be easier imo just accepting that and use another term for the old style proper atb

[Guest Bearsy]

HI CHALKS,

As someone said earlier this is a can of worms that could be well and truly be opened up again!!

Bearsy seems to place the emphasis on too much Northern oldies being played at ATB NIGHTS which probably does not fall in with his own musical tastes anyway(not being critical here just an observation) but to be fair he has a point. I have been to a few events which advertised similairly ie Underplayed,70s,crossover and northern night only to be met with aload of 60s/R&b dross that virtually put me off the rare and underplayed scene for good. So it does work both ways.

Lets all canvass our local MPs to put forward a motion in parliament to outlaw the term ATB when advertising soul nights then nobody will be disillusioned.

Secondly get promotors to advertise on their flyers the two main genres of music they wish to have played and supplement it with a "smattering of" for any other genres that will be played. :(

Unforunately i dont think this will ever happen.

So how many "types" of soul events do we have to contend with now?????

Across the Board

Northern and Tamla

Rare and Underplayed

R and B and 60s

Crossover, 70s and Modern

Leave you with that one , time to find the coedine i have a headache coming on

ROY

Hi Roy, i have put the emphasis that too many oldies get played at ATB nights and thats the point of this thread and im not against oldies i love plenty of them and own plenty of them too but i can go to an Oldies night to hear them, i love all genres of the Soul Specrtum and have a big crush on soulful house since my young raving days and if you see me out and about you will see me dance to everything from an Oldie to a modern track and everything in between, i just feel that ATB nights are basically Oldies nights with the odd new release chucked in amongst the other 150 tunes played in a night and there never seems to be an even balance of all the genres played,

70s is classed as modern nowadays by many and they are 40 years old and been battered on the scene since their day of release which to me makes them an Oldie, im quite new to it all and love hearing new stuff i dont know and can go to a whole night of that just like i can go to an Oldies night and do the same but sometimes an ATB night would be perfect too but they aint ATB nights they are basically how i see them just Oldies nights,

Chalky post just above hits the nail on the head for me

i know you wasnt picking on me but i just treid to explain meself in a bit more depth

atb

Bearsy

[Cunnie]

thread and a half

to me its just another term, thats use has evolved to mean something different than it did 10 years ago

be easier imo just accepting that and use another term for the old style proper atb

Suggest some then :)

[KevH]

The term leaves me cold in general.

Some ATB nights seem to be on the money,but some masquerade as ATB.Wheeling out any old tosh,and covering their tracks by claiming to be ATB.Playing old Motown tracks off lp's followed by a 90's release,followed by a club classic doesn't do it for me .

If in doubt - leave it out.

Edited March 8, 2011 by KevH

[SOULCENTRAL]

Chalky post just above hits the nail on the head for me

i know you wasnt picking on me but i just treid to explain meself in a bit more depth

atb

Bearsy

HI BEARSY,

No need to explain pal i know exactly where your coming from and i could not agree more with your sentiments on this issue.

I too have very similair opinions on this and feel it can be tied down to one element from the promotors point.

That is to make the event succesful from a monetry (in the first instance) and attendance angle. The more diverse the music offer as advertised on flyers etc. the more chance you will appeal to all and therefore fill the venue and make money.

Sorry to be cynical about this but it does seem to me that these days its more about money and kudos than the music and progression of the soul scene.

By the way your ATB above does it mean "all the best" or across the board :yes:

regards ROY

[Billyboy]

Albrighton allways seemed to work best when all the dj's played a varied spot ie a mixture of everything which became Allbrighton trade mark

If you advertise as Across The Board, to me it is what I said earlier, everything up to the present day, not simply the odd track or two either but a good percentage of everything. Some might see the flyer and go as much for the modern as well as the Northern but are ultimately disappointed when they get Angie Stone and a few 70's tracks. Maybe as Roy says promoters should begin to be a bit more specific as to what they play.

60's and 70's I don't consider across the board, many 70's played and listed on this forum in playlists are well and truly accepted by most on the scene but they are essentially oldies.

Too many have a narrow view as to what ATB means but to me it is 60's, 70's, 80's 90's and 2000 and beyond all in the same room, bit like it was back in the 80's when modern Dj's could be found on the line up at an all-nighter and later at venues like Albrighton. How many Modern Dj's do you see at Northern venues? Especially those that claim to be across the board.

... Albrighton was indeed an excellent stamp for Across The Board... pushing the boundries of the soul sound...

..Advertised ATB nights should be just that...Covering the entire spectrum of years musically in one room with DJ's with vinyl to suit.

.... If you ain't got the ingredients ...don't advertise the product....

.

[Cunnie]

... Albrighton was indeed an excellent stamp for Across The Board... pushing the boundries of the soul sound...

..Advertised ATB nights should be just that...Covering the entire spectrum of years musically in one room with DJ's with vinyl to suit.

.... If you ain't got the ingredients ...don't advertise the product....

.

Agree with most of this but have a listen to the track below.

Hope you like it but if you do you WON'T hear it at one of the ATB nights you yearn for as it's not on vinyl so you have already ailienated some Modern Soul fans with your format policy.

Ingridients........

[Guest Bearsy]

HI BEARSY,

No need to explain pal i know exactly where your coming from and i could not agree more with your sentiments on this issue.

I too have very similair opinions on this and feel it can be tied down to one element from the promotors point.

That is to make the event succesful from a monetry (in the first instance) and attendance angle. The more diverse the music offer as advertised on flyers etc. the more chance you will appeal to all and therefore fill the venue and make money.

Sorry to be cynical about this but it does seem to me that these days its more about money and kudos than the music and progression of the soul scene.

By the way your ATB above does it mean "all the best" or across the board

regards ROY

couldnt agree more Roy it does seem that way but hey we all get what we want from the scene i suppose

atb ATB

Bearsy

[Billyboy]

Agree with most of this but have a listen to the track below.

Hope you like it but if you do you WON'T hear it at one of the ATB nights you yearn for as it's not on vinyl so you have already ailienated some Modern Soul fans with your format policy.

Ingridients........

....Like it indeed & I do apologise if as you state I have alienated anyone by the term vinyl as an ingredient...(old habits I'm afraid as a vinyl collector)

.. I now apparently have a format policy which you are quite correct to cover the entire spectrum of years musically to achieve a sucessful ATB night should indeed include all formats superseding vinyl...

.....Consider myself thouroughly repremanded...

[Guest Bearsy]

Agree with most of this but have a listen to the track below.

Hope you like it but if you do you WON'T hear it at one of the ATB nights you yearn for as it's not on vinyl so you have already ailienated some Modern Soul fans with your format policy.

Ingridients........

now thats another thread Cunnie and a real can of worms :lol: like the track but goes on for too long, why the fook do these trackes have to be that long

[Cunnie]

....Like it indeed & I do apologise if as you state I have alienated anyone by the term vinyl as an ingredient...(old habits I'm afraid as a vinyl collector)

.. I now apparently have a format policy which you are quite correct to cover the entire spectrum of years musically to achieve a sucessful ATB night should indeed include all formats superseding vinyl...

.....Consider myself thouroughly repremanded...

Glad you like it & was probably being a bit pedantic at the time & should know better as a collector myself.

Shall we call the night ATBOFO (across the board, original format only LOL)

now thats another thread Cunnie and a real can of worms like the track but goes on for too long, why the fook do these trackes have to be that long

Might be a can of worms but as a Mod I've got to give you horrible lot some food for thought

Too long? It's under 5 mins so that makes it shorter than Gil Scott Heron - The Bottle. Never heard anyone say thats too long.

[Guest Bearsy]

Glad you like it & was probably being a bit pedantic at the time & should know better as a collector myself.

Shall we call the night ATBOFO (across the board, original format only LOL)

Might be a can of worms but as a Mod I've got to give you horrible lot some food for thought

Too long? It's under 5 mins so that makes it shorter than Gil Scott Heron - The Bottle. Never heard anyone say thats too long.

that is 4 minutes too long Cunnie

[stomper45]

Regardless how you choose your night a flyer is advertising and the same for any product it should reflect what it says it offers, if not it is false advertising

Agree but as there is no Soul Police Poster and trades description approval department disappointment or misconception will arise a problem that isnt just confined to ATB events. Is feedback classed as advertising? ie;....Loads in, great atmosphere, thanks for letting me play these..........

Still think in this age of HYPErspace, dj playlists lists, and deciphering feedback is best bet.

[Ceejay]

Error

Edited March 10, 2011 by jobbo

[Guest Bearsy]

Agree but as there is no Soul Police Poster and trades description approval department disappointment or misconception will arise a problem that isnt just confined to ATB events. Is feedback classed as advertising? ie;....Loads in, great atmosphere, thanks for letting me play these..........

Still think in this age of HYPErspace, dj playlists lists, and deciphering feedback is best bet.

yes feedback is a good thing but not all feedback on here is honest and not all events post playlists

[Winnie :-)]

now thats another thread Cunnie and a real can of worms like the track but goes on for too long, why the fook do these trackes have to be that long

I liked it as well, some of us could still dance to a track that long...............

[Guest Bearsy]

I liked it as well, some of us could still dance to a track that long...............

best hope it aint at the beginning of the night then Winnie cos your need an hour or 2 to get your breath back