This Record Definitely Doesn't Exist, (Or Does It) ?

[dthedrug]

Hi All .....How much I want to agree with Pete and many other collectors who ave given up on the whereabouts of the DISC, After all you say it should of turned up by now??

Why should it of turned up by now, if the evidence states otherwise, The information indicated that for some reason the Palmer's got rid of them and have stayed tight lipped as to why, we can assume it was some kind of tax dodge, adding to that fact, is as Pete points out, why not release the hit, well you could say that about most UK labels who had the release rights.

Indeed why did so not release other IMPACT label records, Also to make my point did we not get a release from the Volumes on Philip's or does that not count,

The Pama catalog which is on this thread, (was it your copy Pete?) was printed months later than the issue of the record, fact. and is the official PAMA/JETSTAR COPY, Not a list of someone record collection, it is the company's catalog, and the pages indicate the records that were not issued at that time, So why would the phantom disc be in it?

Now we know that like Trojan thee was quite a few blanks and pre release disc's made that did not get issued officially, Laurel Aitkin being a good example of this with the NU-BEAT[sic] title NB 48. WE NO THAT EXISTS, And theres other examples,

The best example of which is the missing greatest hits LP.. having put out the PAMA, UNITY, GAS, CRAB, NU-BEAT, WHY DID THEY NOT DO ESCORT??? This LP does not Exist, Fact,However last year the cover and full track listing showed up and sold on EBay for £400 I think, the point being is that like the VOLUMES top collectors have said exactly the same about it as is said about our missing record, but if that has shown up, there is hope the VOLUMES will?

My conclusion is this, for far to long it seems thee has only been a half hearted attempt to find a copy, most people relying on luck that one day they will stumble upon it? then there is the mystery that confuses the issue about the Palmer's and there non appiontment to talk. As mentioned how many were pressed is also important a run of 30 was the pre release norm for 1 st run, then you have the catalog with it in why if it was not released? the missing LP ESCORT HITS turning up 40 years late??

And the most important thing to me is the fact I have seen it, and so have others, but no sighting of it after 1972?/ It needs investigating properly, and to my knowledge this has not been done, I would say it is in the record cases of some Sound Men from that period of time, tucked away, I know how impossible it is to get into a Jamaican record box, it is easy to wait for them to die, so if you deduct how many wee made from how many destroyed it leaves you with the number given out . at a guess it.s under 5, that's why you have not seen it DAVE

[Rick Cooper]

"I Just Can't Help Myself" by The Volumes on UK Pama?

(quickly ducks under the parapet)

The Volumes on Pama question sparked off a vague recollection of something I had seen before. So after sorting through musty old fanzines in my loft I found this.It is from ''Shades of Soul'' April 1986 and shows a photo copy of the record owned by T.Weal of Sheffield.

No further comment from me over to you lot.........

Rick

[bri pinch]

All of the Johnny Dunn 45 on Veep I have seen have been demos - both full face and the small Veep symbol design.The originals are styrene and have a Bellsound stamp to differentiate them from the pressing if memory serves me right. Mind you, I havent seen an issue of Johnny Dunn

I,VE NEVER SEEN AN ISSUE OF JOHNNY DUNN EITHER.

BRI PINCH

[Pete S]

The Volumes on Pama question sparked off a vague recollection of something I had seen before. So after sorting through musty old fanzines in my loft I found this.It is from ''Shades of Soul'' April 1986 and shows a photo copy of the record owned by T.Weal of Sheffield.

No further comment from me over to you lot.........

Rick

That's right T. Weal as in T. Wheel, when I reprinted that in Beatin Rhythm magazine in 1990 and said it was a mock-up, I got a reply from a Mr G. Torch!

Edited March 13, 2011 by Pete S

[Rick Cooper]

That's right T. Weal as in T. Wheel, when I reprinted that in Beatin Rhythm magazine in 1990 and said it was a mock-up, I got a reply from a Mr G. Torch!

Pete

Yes that's what I heard but did anyone (apart from G Torch) own up to doing the mock up. Using a fictious name doesn't add much to their authority.

Also most people didn't have use of computers in 1986.

Rick

[Guest Dante]

Pete

Yes that's what I heard but did anyone (apart from G Torch) own up to doing the mock up. Using a fictious name doesn't add much to their authority.

Also most people didn't have use of computers in 1986.

Rick

Well, you don't need a computer to do that, it's fairly simple. And the font used for artist and title look phony.

[dthedrug]

HI ALL ... RICK I HAVE THAT FANZINE, JUST A GLANCE AT IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT, HOWEVER IT MADE RUMBLES AT THE TIME, AND Mr T WHEEL, DID A GOOD JOB PRE HOME COMPUTERS,

I PERONALY YEARS AGO WAS GOING TO CUT A DUB PLATE FROM A 3 TRACK AMPEX TAPE RECORDER WE GOT FROM ISLAND RECORDS IN 1975 AS WE USE TO DO WORK IN HARLSDON AT THE ROXY, IT WAS A REHEARSAL FOR BANDS TO RUN THROUGH THERE TOUR ACT,

THATS THE TIME I GET MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PALMER'S AND WHERE I NICKED A BOX OF PLATES WITH SOME LABELS? BUT DID NOT BOTHER,

INSTEAD WE RECORDER THE BIG YINS FAV BAND THE TANNER HILL WEAVERS OVER A WHOLE STUDIO VERSION OF DIFFERENT BUSTER TAPES THAT WE GOT WITH THE RECORDER, MOST TRAX WERE AT LEAST 15 MIN LONG ON 3 TRACK , MIND YOU THE WEAVERS WERE GOOD?? DAVE KIL

[Geeselad]

shoot me down in flames, but I've never seen an issue of moses and joshua, get out of my heart on mala, I'm sure someone will correct me, but I ve had 3 demo's over the year and I've never seen an issue.

[Ian Dewhirst]

I'm just not quite sure what the Jetstar set up of today has to do with the original Pama "three brothers" set up of 1967 that's all.

Jet Star was the distribution arm of Mr P's empire and eventually the Jet Star label and overall distribution became the main areas of business for the company especially with their compilation albums throughout the 80's and 90's.

Ian D

[dthedrug]

HI ALL That right not quite sure what year JET STAR was 1st set up I would guess it was in late 67, or when he first got the rights to Bobby Paterson US JET STAR thats what the company is named after. it has always been the case especially in the music industry , to have several companies under a parent company in this case Jet star. if you notice at the start of the label/s history if he could and would put titles under the banner of Copy right Control. and only paid full dues to his mates (now & again} and hardly ever on JA stuff.:ph34r:DAVE

[De-to]

shoot me down in flames, but I've never seen an issue of moses and joshua, get out of my heart on mala, I'm sure someone will correct me, but I ve had 3 demo's over the year and I've never seen an issue.

[Wiggyflat]

If there are so many problems in licensing how come Champ etc came out.Is it just the reggae stuff there are problems with?.I'm sure Alan Hawkshaw played on a lot of the Mohawks stuff and also on the Don't Change Your Mind track-Peter DeeleyI bet a lot of the home produced stuff was a flat session fee as the music library stuff was.What was the deal with Sioux?.Maybe a show us your Pama thread will flush a Volumes out.

[Rom1]

All of the Johnny Dunn 45 on Veep I have seen have been demos - both full face and the small Veep symbol design.The originals are styrene and have a Bellsound stamp to differentiate them from the pressing if memory serves me right. Mind you, I havent seen an issue of Johnny Dunn

I,VE NEVER SEEN AN ISSUE OF JOHNNY DUNN EITHER.

BRI PINCH

Here's an issue (styrene with bell sound stamp)...

Romain

[De-to]

Tony Turner on Musicor.

Can remember arguements for years about whether Tamiko Jones on Golden World actually existed......

Ian D

[Geeselad]

the moses and joshua.

Ah ha! I was expecting a blue molded label like the vandykes records, probably seen these and not looked close enough, just the text is different. cheers.

Edited March 14, 2011 by geeselad

[Pete S]

Jet Star was the distribution arm of Mr P's empire and eventually the Jet Star label and overall distribution became the main areas of business for the company especially with their compilation albums throughout the 80's and 90's.

Ian D

But it had nothing to do with the company in the period that we are talking about, try and find out the first mention of Jetstar distribution.

[dthedrug]

Hi All .... Pete first of I think this article on the Volumes is well spoiling the thread?? it should be under it's own heading, as this is one of the better threads, I don't want to be the one to bring it to a premature end, as much as I find it fascinating, Quite clearly there is no rush, as I will do more research on it, but I am sure the record got a review in the music press at or near it.s release, but what it was in I really can't remember, as back then I was music mad with every mag I could get from ROLLING STONE TO PRIVATE EYE, i EVAN HAD EVERY ISSUE OF OZ, EVEN THE RARE ONE WITH THE LSD CORNER (CALIFORNIA SUNSHINE) TO THE PAPERS MELODY MAKER, NME, SOUNDS ALL GOT THROWN AWAY WHEN i LEFT HOME, SO THATS A LEAD TO BE CHECKED OUT. AS THE REVIEW MEANS WE ARE NOT WISHFUL THINKERS WITH STOL. AND I STILL HAVE A FEW CONTACTS, HOWEVER MY MATE JIM SILE'S A TOP COLLECTOR OF REGGAE AND UK SOUL, USED TO THINK IT EXISTED BUT NOW HE HAS SWITCHED TO, SURELY IT WOULD OF TURNED UP BY NOW CAMP, AND THERES QUITE A LOT OF THEM,

Do you have to speak to anyone to get this section moved away from this thread?? ssshhhh! or I will turn the VOLUME UP! DAVE

[45cellar]

Does THE STAR TREKS - GONNA NEED MAGIC Exist on VEEP Stock Copy.

I have been told it does, but I have yet to see a copy.

[Jerry Hipkiss]

Does THE STAR TREKS - GONNA NEED MAGIC Exist on VEEP Stock Copy.

I have been told it does, but I have yet to see a copy.

Roger, I seem to remember that when this was last discussed years ago the general consensus was no, but I stand to be corrected

[Anoraks Corner]

Volumes on Pama...will believe it when I see it...but...it would not suprise me if it existed/exists on a plain white Pama test press. The Shades Of Soul fanzine scan is a 100% fake...as were a few other oddball labels featured in another issue...had me searching for a few for years until someone owned up to the scam!

Finally, to throw the cat back amongst the pigeons, let us note that Harry Balk licensed product all over the world from his stable...look at this...the Volumes on London, Japanese London...VERY rare:

[Pete S]

Volumes on Pama...will believe it when I see it...but...it would not suprise me if it existed/exists on a plain white Pama test press. The Shades Of Soul fanzine scan is a 100% fake...as were a few other oddball labels featured in another issue...had me searching for a few for years until someone owned up to the scam!

Finally, to throw the cat back amongst the pigeons, let us note that Harry Balk licensed product all over the world from his stable...look at this...the Volumes on London, Japanese London...VERY rare:

Didn't one of these turn up on Turkish Decca recently?

[Anoraks Corner]

Maybe this has come up before when ''Tear Stained Face'' on Veep gets mentioned but it may help.

The attached scans are from the inner booklet from a Japannese LP ''I'm Wondering- Veep Singles Collection'' issued 1980 on UA/Veep.

It looks like it is a fairly detailed essay on Veep but only the artist and titles are in English. The first column lists Veep 1296 ''Meet me in Church''/ ''Tear Stained Face'' so there must be some info about it . TSF isn't on the LP .

So does anyone know if it has been translated before or can anyone translate it for me?

The translation doesn't confirm or deny it's existance.

The writer says that TSF was Don's 2nd release on Quinvy and that he hadn't heard the A side (not on the Quinvy 45) and wanted to, due to the Joe Tex connections.

[Benji]

Finally, to throw the cat back amongst the pigeons, let us note that Harry Balk licensed product all over the world from his stable...look at this...the Volumes on London, Japanese London...VERY rare:

Wow, that's a nice one. Well done, Dave!

I collect german presses and I always wish one day I'll find a beauty like this instead of pop sh*t like Derek Christien

[Mick Holdsworth]

Didn't one of these turn up on Turkish Decca recently?

Pete,

That was "My Kind Of Girl'

Mick

[Anoraks Corner]

Wow, that's a nice one. Well done, Dave!I collect german presses and I always wish one day I'll find a beauty like this instead of pop sh*t like Derek Christien

I've gone through all the Japanese 60's record company catalogues and label listings, so I kinda know what came out over here...which spoils the digging fun a bit...but...there are always a few missing numbers between the yearly listings, so there is always hope for other juicy pieces! My addition to this thread would be Bettye Swann - Make Me Yours on a Japanese press...not in any label listings, but rumoured to exist on a a promo copy with no picture cover!

[Pete S]

Pete,

That was "My Kind Of Girl'

Mick

I know mate, that's what I was replying to - Dave's japanese My Kind Of Girl

[Rick Cooper]

The translation doesn't confirm or deny it's existance.

The writer says that TSF was Don's 2nd release on Quinvy and that he hadn't heard the A side (not on the Quinvy 45) and wanted to, due to the Joe Tex connections.

Dave

Thanks for that and for taking the time out at such a difficult time in your country.

Rick

[45cellar]

Yes Jerry, as time passes I reckon that's the situation. Curiously two Label variations for the DEMO though.

Makes me wonder why it isn't there.

www.popsike.com

www.popsike.com

[Chalky]

Does THE STAR TREKS - GONNA NEED MAGIC Exist on VEEP Stock Copy.

I have been told it does, but I have yet to see a copy.

Never seen one Roger, not even a sniff of one, and don't know anyone who has.

[Rich B]

There was an issue of Connie Laverne in my collection when I sold up in 2000, and I have had a couple of issue copies of thelma Houston over the years - I thought it was the promo of that that was hard to find.

[Guest in town Mikey]

Gerri Hall on Sue, given a release number but probably didn't get to production.

Walter Wilson on Wand didn't exist until i found one in Billy Jackson's gaff!

Anyone know how much for a Walter Wilson?

[Ernie Andrews]

Ernie Andrews- Fine young Girl- Capitol (US) - No Demo

[Mgm 1251]

On 3/7/2011 at 09:18, Jerry Hipkiss said:

 

 

Pete Wid told me over a beer last year that he made that story up!

Yep,this is exactly what I was told,must have been 25years ago,or so.....

[Rich B]

On 18/03/2011 at 13:41, Rich B said:

There was an issue of Connie Laverne in my collection when I sold up in 2000, and I have had a couple of issue copies of thelma Houston over the years - I thought it was the promo of that that was hard to find.

Just re reading this thread and I realised that it wasn't an issue of Connie Laverne that I had owned but a Blanche Carter. Apologies for that error.

[Jim G]

Humphrey Stomp on wand

 

[Weingarden]

Wowza!!