Northern Soul Deejay's Of The Future ?

[Guest Lobster Madras]

To me this is perhaps the truest comment on the thread so far. I started buying 60s Soul records (and all the other Mod-type sounds) in the early '80s when I was about 14 years old. They cost me about a quid a time, maybe two, maybe three, what I could afford on my pocket money (I was too young even for a Saturday job!), and I was not alone. I got stuff on labels like Chess, Parkway, Fame, that sort of thing, many of which I played in my early, local DJ spots, and many of which I've still got, and some I still DJ with. In fact, one of my top sounds even today is Pic & Bill "What Does It Take" on Charay. It's a fluke alternative flipside rarity, and in 25+ years of collecting, I've only ever heard of one other copy of it, which Ady Croasdell got from the Charay company offices - if anybody else out there has one or knows anyone who has or has ever had one, please say, because I'd love to know how many copies there really are out there. well, that record cost £2 from a market stall when I was still at school. I remember getting Ray Pollard "It's A Sad Thing" on UK demo for 30p (and I bought it on spec as a Ray Pollard record I didn't know), the Rubies on VeeJay for the same price when it was still covered up, and Liz Lands "Midnight Johnny" for £3 when it was first making a fuss, all from market stalls. And I'm not trying to go on about my 'great finds' as some reflection on myself - everybody I knew did this and they all got results - and you still can. Mark Bicknell has made some good points about digging a bit deeper into ebay to find cheap and interesting stuff, and in fact, while I agree that on one level he is right that with a couple of grand you can get a very useful playbox, I would suggest that we can be even more ambitious and say that with care and time, you could get a decent DJ set (only 15 or 20 records, as Stevie points out) on just a couple of hundred pounds spread out over a few months to a year of patient, careful buying of the type we all probably did once - or still do - something that should be within the reach of most of the young DJs we're talking about. There is sometimes an assumption that all DJs have to have a fair spread of headline-making, wallet-busting 'top' sounds, and this is often taken to provide justification for abandoning the notion of OVO, as these are seen as being beyond the reach of beginners. Well, guess what, Arin Demain was out of my reach when I was young (still is!), but it didn't stop me buying the records I COULD afford and developing my own ear for what I rated. Someone else made this point exactly, of developing your own ear, and I would wholeheartedly endorse what they said. It's also been mentioned (I think in another thread, about 'the next biggies', I think), that some of the next big sounds might be exactly these cheapies. Lee Fields is a perfect example. I had it in my sales box for about 4 years solid in the early '90s for £8 and nobody paid any notice of it whatsoever. It eventually went to a young DJ who was playing in Boogaloo clubs for the Britpop crowd - something which strikes me as very similar to the 'parallel' scene(s) we've been talking about in this thread. the key thing is, that DJ bought it because it suited her ear, not because she was looking for 'big ticket' items to get allnighter spots. Fast-forward to now and and it's one of those big-ticket items that the DJs are desperate for. OK, so maybe it's too late to get the Lee Fields for £8 through 'normal' channels, but what is the NEXT 'Lee Fields'? Is it currently sitting on ebay for £6.99? Is it on somebody's market stall for £2? "Get junkshopping" is exactly the best advice you could give a young DJ, together with "develop your own ear". That's how young DJs will make their mark, and they'll enjoy the journey all the more for doing so, I'll bet.

All the best,

Nick

I remember very well your first forays into rare soul DJ'ing Nick... didn't take you long to get up to the required standard or to be accepted..

Another thing to consider is that this DJ'ing lark isn't easy.. Seems like a great , fun thing to do but not only do you need personality , a good ear , massive patience , skin as thick as a rhino's (for those nights where the dance floor just stays empty) a healthy income and a certain amount of real skill to read the crowd, work the crowd etc etc.. We all know collectors with mega collections who can't DJ for toffee.

Being asked to DJ as a 16 year old by Tony Dellar back in the 70s and for my first set I was terrified .. I was the young kid who was too young for the Torch and The Wheel... Of course nobody danced much to my first set but i stuck with it and improved but soon realised I'd never be a great DJ but would have a superb time being a part time one..

I agree junk shopping is where you learn loads; mainly which records to avoid !

Edited February 22, 2011 by Lobster Madras

[Chalky]

Well April sees two of the youngsters talked about in these pages getting their chance on the big stage and showing just what they are capable of. Beat Boutique's Liam Quinn and Paul Barker will be gracing Lifeline's decks along side Ted Massey, John McClure and some of the residents.

Hope some of you making your voices heard will come along and support the lads

Liam was well chuffed when asked last night

[Philomena]

Northern Soul Deejay's Of The Future ? just where are they gonna come from?

The simple answer is probably the one we don't want to hear : there won't be any, since, there will no more dances to go to.

Northern soul is not immune from the effects of time, and sooner or later it will be consigned to the annals of Musical History.

It is sad for people like ourselves who hold a special affection for the music and the many happy moments in time that it provided, but the generations that are following are just not interested.

In fact during its hey-day in the 60s thru' to the 70s Northern Soul was an underground scene, unknown to many.

Lets just enjoy it for the small time we are here, and hopefully look forward to greater things..

[Geeselad]

Northern Soul Deejay's Of The Future ? just where are they gonna come from?

The simple answer is probably the one we don't want to hear : there won't be any, since, there will no more dances to go to.

Northern soul is not immune from the effects of time, and sooner or later it will be consigned to the annals of Musical History.

It is sad for people like ourselves who hold a special affection for the music and the many happy moments in time that it provided, but the generations that are following are just not interested.

In fact during its hey-day in the 60s thru' to the 70s Northern Soul was an underground scene, unknown to many.

Lets just enjoy it for the small time we are here, and hopefully look forward to greater things..

Sorry to say this mate and no offence but BOLLOCKS!!!!!!

[Geeselad]

Its a thousand years in the future and guys are riding around on hover scooters! see they gotta listen to northern!

[Barry]

"Lots of older people don't like being surrounded by younger people."

That age old twaddle has been about since I was a whipping boy on the scene.

Quite a truth, don't get me wrong.

But it is simply a statement of old Soulies fearing for their position in the scheme of things, it reminds them of their mortality within the scene.

Which is why I tend to stick with places where youngsters are rife.

Bring on the youth.

[Guest Paul]

Northern soul, and the wider spectrum of soul music, will still be popular long after we're gone. There's no doubt about that.

Future DJs will discover the music and will do their own thing with it, probably in a more interactive and creative way because of further advances in technology.

As for right now, I think some younger DJs are likely to avoid the current soul scene because of the age difference and also because of oneupmanship and politics etc.

If it was just about the music, I think the soul scene would already be more diverse.

Paul

[Wilxy]

I've been quoted the fact that "youngsters don't wish to infiltrate their parents scene" so to speak on numerous occasions, and agree in the main, that the younger generation, whilst maybe influenced to a degree in our superb musical ethos,will put their own slant on it all in due course!

My youngest son is big into his music, and whilst at 24 years of age has a "grounding into the real deal" nowadays "gives his take" on the London "Boogie/retro disco" scene.....and still loves his vinyl.....amongst CD's and downloads......

Can't stop his pocket money any more tho' .....he earns more than me

[Little-stevie]

I don' think djs will be a problem, plenty that i know aged late teens to early 30s....

The devoted ones left will have to make more of an effort to get together to make up the numbers for a decent event they will be spread far and wide around the uk and overseas...

Smaller venues, less events for sure..

many styles played in one room also...

This sounds like the scene already outside the UK with less of a crowd to go round..

So there will be loads of djs, zillions of tunes and the old brigade sell up, but not many punters maybe...

Mystic meg says " food for thought"....

But thats the future... I can see many very active on the scene at the moment aged 40/ 55 going on for another decade or much longer... still plenty life left in this scene..

[Guest Bearsy]

Sorry to say this mate and no offence but BOLLOCKS!!!!!!

im off to greater things this afternoon its a place called Cleethorpes live for today and tomorrow will take care of itself wehter the dj is an old duffer or a teenager, personally i dont care who is spinning the tunes its them i dance too not who is playing them but then again i know peeps that go to an event cos of the venue and not the music strange world we live in and looking at the young dancers in the new Northern Soul film i think there will be plenty of life left in this scene for many more years to come

[Dave Rimmer]

It won't be lack of DJs that kill the scene, it'll be lack of available venues. I know of four allnighters that were booked this year and have had to be cancelled because the venue has closed down ! And it will be the same with Soul nights eventually, how many pubs are closing every week, over 100 I heard ?

[wiganelli]

Reply to WIGANER 1 thats a very good, and noted comment!! buying into the scene like myself been on the scene for over 35 years and play my records from my heart when i get a chance to play!!BUT GETTING TO THE FUTURE DJS the young lads i heard in Manchester at the space bar on the last day of the weekender left me gob smacked each and every one of them playing whatever it was xover, rare,new f...k knows but it was brill hope they are still at in 30+ years WELL DONE MANCHESTER young uns.

Edited June 10, 2011 by wiganelli

[macca]

I guess Philomena is talking strictly about the UK scene as she knows it and clearly hasn't travelled beyond Blighty's shores in pursuit of Soul.

[Russ Vickers]

I think if people are willing to wait about 10 years, Northern Soul records will be quite affordable.

Record prices are only sustained by a reasonable number of people wanting records and that won't last more than another decade IMHO.

It will be like the US in the 70's and 80's - piles of unwanted records for people to go through for a quid each. Records that were 10 and 15 quid a few years ago are already like that now.

I dont think so to be honest......but hey if thats the case I cant wait.........

Best Russ

[Kev Cane]

I think if people are willing to wait about 10 years, Northern Soul records will be quite affordable.

Record prices are only sustained by a reasonable number of people wanting records and that won't last more than another decade IMHO.

It will be like the US in the 70's and 80's - piles of unwanted records for people to go through for a quid each. Records that were 10 and 15 quid a few years ago are already like that now.

Great post and defo food for thought, heard a while ago that the word on the street is that some collectors on both sides of the pond are cashing in now while the vinyl can perhaps fetch its current value because they anticipate the aforementioned consequences.

Kev

[Russ Vickers]

I'm not being rude, but the doom sayers are talking rot........there will be a scene & the records will always be collectable, not only that, but the scene will continue to evolve with new discoveries coming through to hunt down n dance too & will be pretty much business as usual..................anyone who thinks we're 'it' is a bit up there own asses IMHO the music & the scene is bigger than our generation & will continue.

There are new DJ's coming thru all the time, the best will rise to the top t'others wont & the sooner all the little half assed promotions bite the dust the better, lets get the good venues full & let the 'vanity' venues die.....after all a lot of these people wouldnt be DJing at all if it wasnt for the fact that its there promotion & theyre employing there mates & vice versa.......the scene in the UK will be smaller but better IMO.

For decades people have tried to talk the scene down - Northern Soul is dead, no new good discoveries left blah, blah, blah.....

Kepp the Faith Soul Brothers & Sistas Right On..........

Best Russ

[Russ Vickers]

Had a good old read of this forum, and to be quite honest i find that theres a whole confloct between rare soul and the original northern stuff, but to be really honest i was brought up on northern soul (brothers, jimmy conwell, little antony and the imperials, bobby hebb, pookie hudson, carstairs, checkerboard squres etc, could go on for months) but i really hope that once in a while oldies are played and embraced,because that was the foundations, the heart of northern soul and it needs to be brought to a new audeince with the integration between old,rare,and the possibility of a various genre spectrum to keep it going, i almost feel like an oldie, wearing spencers when i go to a soul do, its the norm for me, and its what ive had since i can ever remember, ive never liked anything else and my margo and pargo are oldies and although im a lover of rare soul im still into the roots and wont ever let the spencer, oxford brogues thing die, the only think im against is the drugs, but at a recent soul do in lytham i was talking to russ winstanley and he thinks thay only 10% pf the wigan crowd were into the drugs, so there you go.xxxx

He's on f*ckin' drugs the liar.....no way in a million years can RW say that & believe it, he's trying to white wash the Casino & make it palatable to the ordinary classes that know no better so he can come across as respectable & continue to make as much money from the scene as possible, in fact I would go as far as to say, if it wasnt for the gear, the scene as we now know it wouldnt exist.........it was overflowing with gear at every Nighter & it was the fuel that kept it going & he knows it......in fact I would guess that there might have been 10% who were clean & I'm being very serious, do not believe everything you hear from RW he has been proven time agaqin to have blurred the truth with regards to the Casino, its tragic really & he's messin with peoples memories......

Russ

Edited June 11, 2011 by Russ Vickers

[Russ Vickers]

Great post and defo food for thought, heard a while ago that the word on the street is that some collectors on both sides of the pond are cashing in now while the vinyl can perhaps fetch its current value because they anticipate the aforementioned consequences.

Kev

If this is true & I doubt it (probably used as an excuse to sell).....they'll be looking right twats in 10 years & wishing they'd hung on to em......my problem with this is, why are people buying records to make a profit.....once I get em, to me personally they have no financial value at all, only artistic & I cant understand building a collection to sell it for profit & that being the only criteria......there have been many who have sold up for profit & then regretted it later..........having said all of this I do appreciate people fall on hard times & need to sell sometimes through circumsatnces.

Russ

[Marc Forrest]

Markus Sichter (Berlin)

Max Kunze (Dresden)

Alex Salvo (Dresden)

Henning Boogaloo (Switzerland)

Howie Paris (Dessau)

Matt Fox (Cologne)

Kevin Flipclip (Berlin)

Martin (Berlin)

Alfredo (Italy)

Callum (UK)

Liam and Gary (IRE/UK)

Kian Nawim (Berlin)

...just about a few from the top of my head. All aged between mid twenties and start of their thirties, most of them (esp. the German dudes) relatively fresh "on the scene" and all up for it in the only right way, the real way.

Future looks good if you ask me.

[Marc Forrest]

once you start thinking about it....here`s a few more names dropped

Helena (Sweden)

Johan Tollgerdt (Sweden)

Ludde (Sweden)

Sami (Finland)

S¶ren (Denmark)

Niklas (Denmark)

Tomasso (Italy)

Sebastian Gerstung (Germany)

[Guest Paul]

Great post and defo food for thought, heard a while ago that the word on the street is that some collectors on both sides of the pond are cashing in now while the vinyl can perhaps fetch its current value because they anticipate the aforementioned consequences.

Kev

Hello,

I see it that way too.

Interest in the music will continue but the financial side will change to a degree. Some dealers and collectors are already concerned about that.

Only a minority of people are willing and able to pay the very high prices anyway.

At the other extreme, it isn't so easy to sell reasonable quantities of good records in the lower-price range these days. Maybe values have already peaked?

It's like a bubble which has to burst. Records became a commodity, an investment opportunity, but it's unpredictable because values are driven by demand or hype (or a mixture of both) and tastes are subjective and are always subject to change. It's also interesting that prices increased during the days of easy credit and profit from the property boom.

Another factor is that more people are starting to think about old age. Can we cope with large collections? Will we have enough space? What will happen to our records if we become ill or die?

For more than fifteen years I've been transferring records to digital because of the benefits of storage and accessibility (I still buy records but not very many).

Whatever happens, it would be nice if the future sees more focus on music content rather than values because that's how it started for me - and for most others I assume. It was the music that knocked me off my feet, not the values or potential profit margins.

And there's a lot of great music out there which, sadly, has been overlooked by many people just because it isn't perceived to be rare.

So a few more gradual changes could be a good thing.

Paul

[Dave Abbott]

...just about a few from the top of my head. All aged between mid twenties and start of their thirties, most of them (esp. the German dudes) relatively fresh "on the scene" and all up for it in the only right way, the real way.

Future looks good if you ask me.

think you just hit the nail on the head Marc...if you can actually name most of the people thqat will be buying 45s in Europe in the future, then the future aint as good as it is now.

i wouldn't disagree there will still be buyers and a scene (different though it may be) but prices will come down as there will not be as many people around 'into' it.

Edited June 11, 2011 by Dave Abbott

[Russ Vickers]

Hello,

I see it that way too.

Interest in the music will continue but the financial side will change to a degree. Some dealers and collectors are already concerned about that.

Only a minority of people are willing and able to pay the very high prices anyway.

At the other extreme, it isn't so easy to sell reasonable quantities of good records in the lower-price range these days. Maybe values have already peaked?

It's like a bubble which has to burst. Records became a commodity, an investment opportunity, but it's unpredictable because values are driven by demand or hype (or a mixture of both) and tastes are subjective and are always subject to change. It's also interesting that prices increased during the days of easy credit and profit from the property boom.

Another factor is that more people are starting to think about old age. Can we cope with large collections? Will we have enough space? What will happen to our records if we become ill or die?

For more than fifteen years I've been transferring records to digital because of the benefits of storage and accessibility (I still buy records but not very many).

Whatever happens, it would be nice if the future sees more focus on music content rather than values because that's how it started for me - and for most others I assume. It was the music that knocked me off my feet, not the values or potential profit margins.

And there's a lot of great music out there which, sadly, has been overlooked by many people just because it isn't perceived to be rare.

So a few more gradual changes could be a good thing.

Paul

More people are collecting internationaly, it'll continue as it has done.......cheaper records will be played/discovered which cos of demand will rise in price & the cycle continues in the same way as always........now record ealers making a living from selling records is a different thing altogether.....

Russ

[viphitman]

There are plenty of new dj's but where are the good dancers of the future??? There is plenty of collecting and djing going on around the globe but the proper dancing is lacking a little on quality wherever you go!!!! The atmosphere is still fantastic, the venue packed, the music great but I am more concerned that the focus on dancing is fading a little. After all it's a frigging dance culture and not stamp collecting

Maybe I am a bit on a mission recently and posting a little tooo much about dancing to northern soul on various sites but hey this at least gives me some hope !!!

[Marc Forrest]

hi Dave,

actually I in fact cant name them all...not even everyone in Berlin let alone Germany or Europe in general. And I am not talking about buying people, I am talking about deejaying people as that what is what the headline of this thread asked for. If we talk about new young and collecting people, oh my, it must be hundreds out there.

In the last weeks alone I had "record dealing" contacts with a handful of totally new to me (German) names. Just for example.

I agree with you in general though, there will still be a scene, there will still be ovo venues and the emphasis will be the same as now..but prices WILL go down in the long run. 10 to 200 GBP 45s are already almost unsellable if not currently indemand or "hot", the only things fetching still big money are the so called big ticket 45s everybody seems to chase. But that will cool down as well me thinks once the handful of big boys (and girls) have done their 45 wants .

In fact the (price) situation is pretty much what I thought it would be like ten years + ago already...only that thankfully theres a lot more new young faces around which is brilliant!

[Dave Abbott]

hi Dave,

actually I in fact cant name them all...not even everyone in Berlin let alone Germany or Europe in general. And I am not talking about buying people, I am talking about deejaying people as that what is what the headline of this thread asked for. If we talk about new young and collecting people, oh my, it must be hundreds out there.

In the last weeks alone I had "record dealing" contacts with a handful of totally new to me (German) names. Just for example.

I agree with you in general though, there will still be a scene, there will still be ovo venues and the emphasis will be the same as now..but prices WILL go down in the long run. 10 to 200 GBP 45s are already almost unsellable if not currently indemand or "hot", the only things fetching still big money are the so called big ticket 45s everybody seems to chase. But that will cool down as well me thinks once the handful of big boys (and girls) have done their 45 wants .

In fact the (price) situation is pretty much what I thought it would be like ten years + ago already...only that thankfully theres a lot more new young faces around which is brilliant!

Marc - actually we are agreeing

BUT going back to Russ Vickers comment that people will only be upset in 10 years time if they sell as records now is rubbish and Russ knows i think that and he's hiding from me.

I was only talking about this to a record dealer at a niter last nite - about this very same issue and we both said if people consider their record collection as an investment/pension then they best sell now.

[Dave Abbott]

More people are collecting internationaly, it'll continue as it has done.......cheaper records will be played/discovered which cos of demand will rise in price & the cycle continues in the same way as always........

Russ me mate - please go into the kitchen/canteen, whatever it is over there. There will be three canistors labelled 'Tea', 'Sugar', 'Coffee'. Go to the 'Coffee' one, open it up and stick your nose in as far as you can and breath in for as long as possible.

[Marc Forrest]

Marc - actually we are agreeing

BUT going back to Russ Vickers comment that people will only be upset in 10 years time if they sell as records now is rubbish and Russ knows i think that and he's hiding from me.

I was only talking about this to a record dealer at a niter last nite - about this very same issue and we both said if people consider their record collection as an investment/pension then they best sell now.

have to disagree here mate, its too late. They should have done so a few years back already...if they dont have collections full of high end items that is. Personally I dont know anybody who did built up a collection as an investment, sure there will be some though. Talked to two very good friends of mine, one in his fifties the other in his sixties. Both told me they give a f**k about values and prices, they wont sell, there life would loose an essential part if they would

[Dave Abbott]

have to disagree here mate, its too late. They should have done so a few years back already...if they dont have collections full of high end items that is. Personally I dont know anybody who did built up a collection as an investment, sure there will be some though. Talked to two very good friends of mine, one in his fifties the other in his sixties. Both told me they give a f**k about values and prices, they wont sell, there life would loose an essential part if they would

stop it - we agree again . Yes; it should have been done a few years ago...but don't delay is what we were talking about last nite.

I have heard a few in person and on here saying about their 'investment' or 'pension fund' so there are plenty like like.

[Guest]

Markus Sichter (Berlin)

Max Kunze (Dresden)

Alex Salvo (Dresden)

Henning Boogaloo (Switzerland)

Howie Paris (Dessau)

Matt Fox (Cologne)

Kevin Flipclip (Berlin)

Martin (Berlin)

Alfredo (Italy)

Callum (UK)

Liam and Gary (IRE/UK)

Kian Nawim (Berlin)

...just about a few from the top of my head. All aged between mid twenties and start of their thirties, most of them (esp. the German dudes) relatively fresh "on the scene" and all up for it in the only right way, the real way.

Future looks good if you ask me.

Alfredo & Henning are two quality djs

[Guest Paul]

More people are collecting internationaly, it'll continue as it has done.......cheaper records will be played/discovered which cos of demand will rise in price & the cycle continues in the same way as always........now record ealers making a living from selling records is a different thing altogether.....

Russ

Yes it's reassuring to see a gradual increase in interest from younger people overseas (something which is reflected in record sales) and I think it will result in more diversity.

[KevH]

Russ me mate - please go into the kitchen/canteen, whatever it is over there. There will be three canistors labelled 'Tea', 'Sugar', 'Coffee'. Go to the 'Coffee' one, open it up and stick your nose in as far as you can and breath in for as long as possible.

One major factor is that since the late 60's,disposable income has risen,For instance,as we've gotten older,mortgages get paid up.Throw in the odd redundancy payment,pensions being called in,...= disposable income...for more "collectors".

Factor all that in and you've got price rises in records.I would hazard a guess that most collector/dj's in their 30's haven't reached that point yet.So most trophy/high end tunes will be out of their reach.

Unless the old guys sell cheap. And soon.

[Marc Forrest]

Alfredo & Henning are two quality djs

as are the others too..heard them all play out in recent years

Edited June 11, 2011 by Marc Forrest

[Steve L]

Sure there will be some sort of interest into the future - maybe the majority outside the UK? But the "scene" as we know it now just wont be there.

At the nighters and soul nights I go to (Burnley, Lifeline, Rugby, Tadcaster etc) the majority of people are in their late 40s and upwards. There are some younger ones but a definate minority, so how can anyone think that in 10-20 years time the numbers attending venues wont have shrunk drastically?

Any new blood wont be in sufficient numbers to balance the people getting too old and dying away(literally, sad but a fact!)

I agree with Dave Abbott, the same scenario will apply to collecting - there will be "some" collectors but nowhere near as many as there are now and consequently prices will have to drop.

Get out and enjoy yourself while you still can and anyone who views their collection as an investment should think seriously about selling up

[Dylan]

nearly all the young (25 to 35 ish) collectors across europe all know each other so there can't be that many around.

[Gilly]

My tip for the future is Rich Evans from Leeds,hes up for it plays good tune and he seems to be a very polite young man,good luck for the future Gilly and Nicola

[Kev Cane]

Hello,

I see it that way too.

Interest in the music will continue but the financial side will change to a degree. Some dealers and collectors are already concerned about that.

Only a minority of people are willing and able to pay the very high prices anyway.

At the other extreme, it isn't so easy to sell reasonable quantities of good records in the lower-price range these days. Maybe values have already peaked?

It's like a bubble which has to burst. Records became a commodity, an investment opportunity, but it's unpredictable because values are driven by demand or hype (or a mixture of both) and tastes are subjective and are always subject to change. It's also interesting that prices increased during the days of easy credit and profit from the property boom.

Another factor is that more people are starting to think about old age. Can we cope with large collections? Will we have enough space? What will happen to our records if we become ill or die?

For more than fifteen years I've been transferring records to digital because of the benefits of storage and accessibility (I still buy records but not very many).

Whatever happens, it would be nice if the future sees more focus on music content rather than values because that's how it started for me - and for most others I assume. It was the music that knocked me off my feet, not the values or potential profit margins.

And there's a lot of great music out there which, sadly, has been overlooked by many people just because it isn't perceived to be rare.

So a few more gradual changes could be a good thing.

Paul

Bang on the money Paul, take "Just Soul" for an example, the whole concept is about "music content" rather than value, this, for me anyway, is the way forward, not just from a venue perspective, but also a collecting one aswell, truth is I hear on this forum alone I would say an average of 10 records a week that I love but have never heard before that cost buttons if you look about. Probably wandering a little off topic here I know, but looking at the whole soul scene in the bigger picture.

Kev

[Kev Cane]

If this is true & I doubt it (probably used as an excuse to sell).....they'll be looking right twats in 10 years & wishing they'd hung on to em......my problem with this is, why are people buying records to make a profit.....once I get em, to me personally they have no financial value at all, only artistic & I cant understand building a collection to sell it for profit & that being the only criteria......there have been many who have sold up for profit & then regretted it later..........having said all of this I do appreciate people fall on hard times & need to sell sometimes through circumsatnces.

Russ

Agree there with you Russ, I for one would have to be destitute to part with my vinyl, know what you are saying, I know people who flash the cash and buy records that I have wanted for years but can,t attain and then move them on to finance the supposed next big thing, content means nowt to them, just value and willy waving rights.

Kev

[Chalky]

Wouldn't be so bad if the DJ's of the future turn up when you book them! We booked two for Lifeline, Paul Barker played some fantastic stuff and I'd certainly recommend him to other promoters!!

[Guest 1STFRIEARL]

young dj,s yes please as long they can entertain ( imo not just by slamming down record after record no matter how much the value ).

I was at a venue not long again were a dj never spoke a word and even got out flask out to make a cup tea, even asking have you brought biscuits never raised a smile, I am there is sure there no appeal to the younger kids there.

As for this being a underground scene thats debatable, it is now big business i hate to think of the tax and vat ebay creats from the sale of soul records.

One indicater of how the scene is going would be if john manship, pat brady, dave thorley etc gave a business view as to the future.

Dj,s like Bub never had box's of top priced tunes just charisma,

[NEV]

Agree there with you Russ, I for one would have to be destitute to part with my vinyl, know what you are saying, I know people who flash the cash and buy records that I have wanted for years but can,t attain and then move them on to finance the supposed next big thing, content means nowt to them, just value and willy waving rights.

Kev

Oh dear Kev......i really did'nt expect to see this when i got home from work

Can't honestly believe we've gone from "who's the deejay's of the future " to the content of a record from a collectors perspective ??

The most important content of a record is surely the sound ....every record i've ever bought has been uploaded to my pc and onto cd's so that i can always enjoy listening to it anytime i choose to

To be totally honest .. most dj's i know ,have bought ,played and sold records at some point, to fund a new want ...yourself included,or maybe you were destitute ??

Don't get me wrong ..a piece of 40 yr vinyl has it's own story ,opposed to a re-issue etc and to some that maybe more important

The simple fact is ..there is a definite distinction between the words DJ and COLLECTOR !

I would hand on heart say that the best dj's in the land to date are collectors ..Butch ,Andy Dyson ,Ted ,Dave Rip ,Arthur Fenn ,Richard Searling ...and on and on ,but i would wager there are more people out there who are collector/dj's who constantly buy/sell ..buy /sell ..at the end of the day it's a personal thing that can not be explained in one sentence ,it's not a black and white issue .

I've sold expensive records and also traded some great records , it's my money ,my choice ,but personally i don't feel bad about it ,nor do i feel it's anyone else's business to judge me for it

I don't feel bitter that there are people out there who are more fortunate than me and can easily obtain the things i can't ,maybe that's why i choose to trade /sell ..it works for me

The world ain't fair but you just gotta get on with it and be happy with your lot !

[tim smithers]

young dj,s yes please as long they can entertain ( imo not just by slamming down record after record no matter how much the value ).

I was at a venue not long again were a dj never spoke a word and even got out flask out to make a cup tea, even asking have you brought biscuits never raised a smile, I am there is sure there no appeal to the younger kids there.

As for this being a underground scene thats debatable, it is now big business i hate to think of the tax and vat ebay creats from the sale of soul records.

One indicater of how the scene is going would be if john manship, pat brady, dave thorley etc gave a business view as to the future.

Dj,s like Bub never had box's of top priced tunes just charisma,

Thought you were talking about me for a moment, but i only take a flask of coffee with me, so that rules me out

[Alfie79]

totally agree with you nev!

thank you Kieran and Marc for the kind words.....

hope to see some of you in Rimini soul weekender this year...and in March for swiss soul weekender ever with my soul Brother Henning....

thanks to soul scene and forum like this i've met so much wonderful people to chat about that fantastic music....go around to dance to listen young and old dj to improve your knowledge is the most exciting part of the game....i run a night in my city to guest that kind of people just to stay together and to do that kind of things also live! is only a way to stay happy....to do something that you really love!

my best to all from the sunny south italy!

Alfredo

[KevH]

young dj,s yes please as long they can entertain ( imo not just by slamming down record after record no matter how much the value ).

I was at a venue not long again were a dj never spoke a word and even got out flask out to make a cup tea, even asking have you brought biscuits never raised a smile, I am there is sure there no appeal to the younger kids there.

As for this being a underground scene thats debatable, it is now big business i hate to think of the tax and vat ebay creats from the sale of soul records.

One indicater of how the scene is going would be if john manship, pat brady, dave thorley etc gave a business view as to the future.

Dj,s like Bub never had box's of top priced tunes just charisma,

A very relaxed attitude.Was it a Red tartan flask with white lid (highly sort after),or one of those new fangled stainless steel flasks?

Biscuits do have a certain appeal with the younger kids.

[Kev Cane]

Oh dear Kev......i really did'nt expect to see this when i got home from work

Can't honestly believe we've gone from "who's the deejay's of the future " to the content of a record from a collectors perspective ??

The most important content of a record is surely the sound ....every record i've ever bought has been uploaded to my pc and onto cd's so that i can always enjoy listening to it anytime i choose to

To be totally honest .. most dj's i know ,have bought ,played and sold records at some point, to fund a new want ...yourself included,or maybe you were destitute ??

Don't get me wrong ..a piece of 40 yr vinyl has it's own story ,opposed to a re-issue etc and to some that maybe more important

The simple fact is ..there is a definite distinction between the words DJ and COLLECTOR !

I would hand on heart say that the best dj's in the land to date are collectors ..Butch ,Andy Dyson ,Ted ,Dave Rip ,Arthur Fenn ,Richard Searling ...and on and on ,but i would wager there are more people out there who are collector/dj's who constantly buy/sell ..buy /sell ..at the end of the day it's a personal thing that can not be explained in one sentence ,it's not a black and white issue .

I've sold expensive records and also traded some great records , it's my money ,my choice ,but personally i don't feel bad about it ,nor do i feel it's anyone else's business to judge me for it

I don't feel bitter that there are people out there who are more fortunate than me and can easily obtain the things i can't ,maybe that's why i choose to trade /sell ..it works for me

The world ain't fair but you just gotta get on with it and be happy with your lot !

Yes Nev, the topic has wandered a bit, and you,re right DJ and Collector do get misenterprated at times, just at that time I was replying to another post on here which interested me and before you know it you are off topic and commenting as a collector which I am rather than a DJ which I am not.You can give me a whack at the next Coachman mate.

Kev

[Tykarim]

Hi!

I don't think people in their teens or twenties share the same perception of the music as, same as Alan H has pointed out, most of the people that have followed the skinhead-mod school of learning...and, even if they have, they get musical influences from literally everywhere (Youtube, Facebook, etc...). Young people wanting to have a good night out listening to quality music are out there and will be out there in years to come...them wanting to follow the same old path and the same old antics in order to be able to play/enjoy the music is a very different and debatable thing. If you check photos of events such as Function Malm¶e (and, to a lesser extent, our own Movin' On BCN), you won't see so many Fred Perry or Penguin shirts around, it's more of a mix of people with different styles and backgrounds that may enjoy disco, northern, latin sounds, funk or R&B/black rock and roll just the same....the most aware-of-what-they're-listening-to crowd ever? Maybe not. A pleasure -and a positive challenge- to Dj to? Definitively yes.

I find the will to keep things as they've always been the most depressing and sad thing ever. Plus, that won't bring any new people around to enjoy the music, that's for sure

Best!

Edu

[Barry]

I was at a venue not long again were a dj never spoke a word, I am sure there no appeal to the younger kids there.

,

Blokes talking on a mike inbetween records bemuses and annoys most kids I know out there, the majority having been brought up on house music culture.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy that style of dj-ing but I don't think kids would give a hoot if they didn't.

[Tykarim]

I think they may find it amusing in a sort of novelty way...i've always thought it breaks the flow of the musical message that comes with any well put together set, but that's only my personal opinion

[Barry]

I think they may find it amusing in a sort of novelty way...i've always thought it breaks the flow of the musical message that comes with any well put together set, but that's only my personal opinion

I know what you mean but talking inbetween tracks gives a moments reflection and sets up a completely different space for the next track...it has a time and a place ....but I know what you mean.

[Guest riversider]

Good Luck to Wee Mark with your collecting , and DJ ing, We went to Ramsbottom Cricket Club recently where young Alex Simms ( 19 ) did a spot, he went down really well and seemed in tune with all the Billy Bunters, which was great to see and hear, so well done to him and Des Jones for giving him

his turn on the decks,

All down of course to the toons and presentation , but for me yeah give some young guns a chance..