Guest fryer Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 There are two pressing which are new being sold by howard biggs. He accepted money from myself and others on the understanding they were originals. please check your copies against the united matrix number below if you bought it in the last year. Very sad and a real mark on the legacy of a great label. Barbara Stant - 'Real Man' (shiptown) United Records pressing number 63709 - January 2010 Barbara Stant - 'My mind holds on to yesterday' (shoptown) United Records pressing number 63895- Later than jan 2010 The pressing dates have been confirmed by united you may repeat them if you like: https://www.urpressing.com/ the email below confirms the fact they are new presses. Hi beth, Euan from Jazzman records here, Can you give me the pressing date of this record below deadwax is united. U - 63709M - A Barbara Strant - Real Man (Ca-004) Forward Reply | Beth Proctor to fryer show details 15:00 (3 hours ago) from Beth Proctor RE: pressing enquiry from jazzman January 2010 Hope you have a Blessed Day Beth Proctor United Record Pressings 615-259-9396 ext 106 I agree with you about being misleading, the center label was basically the same but we put our U# on any record that we cut, which deifinitley lets you know it was not an original Hope you have a Blessed Day Beth Proctor United Record Pressings 615-259-9396 ext 106
Guest fryer Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 had conformation from united pressing plant that "my mind holds on" was pressed March 2010 so check your deadwax
Guest adam leaver Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Hi Euan would it be possible to post up the correct matrix numbers? I recently bought a 'My Mind...' but the matrix is etched STR-70822. It does, however, look fairly new. Looking on Popsike it looks like a fair few copies have gone off. Maybe the same seller? It might be helpful to have his ebay seller's ID also so that other bidders dont fall into the same trap. Adam
Dylan Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I very nearly won one of these myself........ saw a few copies sell last year and just assumed sombody had found a small batch. wasn't there some uncertainty on the grooms 45 reagarding how old or new the pressing was a few years ago ? I had a copy with severe heat warp on the edge which I managed to totally trash trying to repair it.
Chalky Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 The recent ones Dylan are only a year or so old as far as I know. There was the original release then one a few years later that had (fast) under the title (this one a little faster and had either additional or fewer instruments, horns I think but not sure without checking). Now we have these recent ones.
soulmac Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Hi Euan would it be possible to post up the correct matrix numbers? I recently bought a 'My Mind...' but the matrix is etched STR-70822. It does, however, look fairly new. Looking on Popsike it looks like a fair few copies have gone off. Maybe the same seller? It might be helpful to have his ebay seller's ID also so that other bidders dont fall into the same trap. Adam I bought a copy of 'My Mind.....' (fast version) from John Manship two or three years ago, etched matrix is SHIPTOWN 70822 - A GRT. John will probably have date of sale in his database. Won a copy of 'Real Man' on Ebay last week from a UK seller, still waiting on it due to post backlog. Fingers crossed it's a genuine copy and not a repress soulmac.
Kris Holmes Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Hi Euan would it be possible to post up the correct matrix numbers? I recently bought a 'My Mind...' but the matrix is etched STR-70822. It does, however, look fairly new. Looking on Popsike it looks like a fair few copies have gone off. Maybe the same seller? It might be helpful to have his ebay seller's ID also so that other bidders dont fall into the same trap. Adam In the runout groove look for a little U in a circle, that is on all modern 45s pressed at United. Further, as stated in the first post if the etchings U-63709 or U-63895 then they are not original. If your copy doesn't have these then you should be good..........
Chalky Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 I bought a copy of 'My Mind.....' (fast version) from John Manship two or three years ago, etched matrix is SHIPTOWN 70822 - A GRT. John will probably have date of sale in his database. Won a copy of 'Real Man' on Ebay last week from a UK seller, still waiting on it due to post backlog. Fingers crossed it's a genuine copy and not a repress soulmac. The story of the second press, the one with (fast) after/under the title is somewhere on Soul Source, will see if can find them bit later. They are genuine, done a few years after the first by I think the writer/producer or whatever Charles Hunter from original tapes/masters. The story might even be on Shiptown Records website?
Sebastian Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) The story of the second press, the one with (fast) after/under the title The flipside on the so called "fast version" has got (SLOW) written under it. I suspect that the FAST and SLOW notations were added to make it easier for radio DJs to know which side to play, NOT to denote that the "new" version of MMHOTY was in any way "faster" than the old one (in that case it would mean that the flipside had been made "slower" as well and that just doesn't make sense). Edited January 19, 2011 by Sebastian
Chalky Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Not sure about the flip Seb but the MMHOTY side is from memory a tad faster but also has added horns or strings. Need to listen toboth sideby side again as it wad two or three years ago. Your theory is probably right as well.
Sebastian Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 By the way, here is the old Soul Source post where the "fast" and "non-fast" versions of MMHOTY was explained: The 45 with (FAST) under the title was apparently made 14 months after the first one. Scan of the "non-fast" 45:
Chalky Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Think the original doesn't have "dish-a-tune" on the label either. Looking at the scans the slow side is the A side.
Dewsburyborn Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Think the original doesn't have "dish-a-tune" on the label either. Looking at the scans the slow side is the A side. Both versions of this song, and the different versions of the same flip, are on the forthcoming Soulscape Barbara Stant CD - which is presently at manufacturing and should be available around February 1st - details will appear on www.garryjcape.com Edited January 19, 2011 by dewsburyborn
Guest adam leaver Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 I bought a copy of 'My Mind.....' (fast version) from John Manship two or three years ago, etched matrix is SHIPTOWN 70822 - A GRT. John will probably have date of sale in his database. Won a copy of 'Real Man' on Ebay last week from a UK seller, still waiting on it due to post backlog. Fingers crossed it's a genuine copy and not a repress soulmac. Hi - your etched matrix is, then, a little different to mine. There is also a kind of 'rubbed out' streak in the run off of my copy which looks like a previous matrix has been removed. Do you have this on your copy?
Jason S Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 I bought a copy of 'My Mind.....' (fast version) from John Manship two or three years ago, etched matrix is SHIPTOWN 70822 - A GRT. John will probably have date of sale in his database. Won a copy of 'Real Man' on Ebay last week from a UK seller, still waiting on it due to post backlog. Fingers crossed it's a genuine copy and not a repress soulmac. Yours is the same as mine by the sounds of it. Bought mine around 6-7 years ago and never doubted it.
soulmac Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Hi - your etched matrix is, then, a little different to mine. There is also a kind of 'rubbed out' streak in the run off of my copy which looks like a previous matrix has been removed. Do you have this on your copy? No rubbed out streak on my copy. The matrix also has a b or upside down 9 at about six o clock (these details are for the 'A' side "He's Still Your Man"). soulmac.
Guest adam leaver Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 No rubbed out streak on my copy. The matrix also has a b or upside down 9 at about six o clock (these details are for the 'A' side "He's Still Your Man"). soulmac. that may well suggest its been pressed more than once then - or that he's doctoring some of the unity presses. That's some shady business
soulmac Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Won a copy of 'Real Man' on Ebay last week from a UK seller, still waiting on it due to post backlog. Fingers crossed it's a genuine copy and not a repress soulmac. Anyone got the matrix details for an original copy of 'Real Man'. Still waiting on my copy to arrive, posted out 12/1 recorded (Royal Mail are shite). soulmac.
Guest fryer Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Anyone got the matrix details for an original copy of 'Real Man'. Still waiting on my copy to arrive, posted out 12/1 recorded (Royal Mail are shite). soulmac. Annoyingly i just sold my vg+ copy as i though i was getting a minter, but to a friend so ill ask him to give me the deadwax, fucking gutted im left short now.
soulmac Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Hi - your etched matrix is, then, a little different to mine. There is also a kind of 'rubbed out' streak in the run off of my copy which looks like a previous matrix has been removed. Do you have this on your copy? Just received my copy of '(I Found Me A) Real Man' today and the matrix has been buffed/rubbed off . Looks like the source is trying to pass these off as originals. Will have to contact the seller and send it back. Now anyone got an original for sale. soulmac. Edited January 25, 2011 by soulmac
soulmac Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Annoyingly i just sold my vg+ copy as i though i was getting a minter, but to a friend so ill ask him to give me the deadwax, fucking gutted im left short now. Any luck getting the correct matrix details. soulmac.
Guest fryer Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Correct matrix for Barbara Stant: A side Deadwax CA-004A (very small runout groove. B side Deadwax CA-004B (slightly large runout but still pretty small) NO other marks in the runout at all, no scrapes or marks or stamps the "black" text on the label is grey and faded as with many shiptown releases (the boot is dark black)
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