Mike Posted August 28, 2005 Posted August 28, 2005 .... down nearly got caught out twice last few days by falling values just got me thinking that though often see much talk about values on the up , never see any on values falling sure hear rumours/news out and about on recent finds etc, but throwing up a quick heads up on (which if dodgy can confirm or deny) can't be a bad thing.... can it ?
davidwapples Posted August 28, 2005 Posted August 28, 2005 nobody likes to admit that records they have are worth less than they though most dealers will try and list stuff high then get you to knock them down ive found , after all if they reduce it they cant put the price up during negotiations. there are alot of people , especially on ebay who think that just because its sold for x amount it will always be worth that , at the last but one peterborough railway club there was a bloke asking £130 for a betty swann kiss my love good bye but said hed take £100 i replyed that it wasnt worth that and was played out and overpriced , he said make me a realistic offer i offered him £20 cos it was not rare and never will be just hyped up he agreed with me about the value but said someone will pay lots for it as its been popular
pikeys dog Posted August 28, 2005 Posted August 28, 2005 i replyed that it wasnt worth that and was played out and overpriced , he said make me a realistic offer i offered him £20 cos it was not rare and never will be just hyped up link But did he accept the £20?
Mark Bicknell Posted August 28, 2005 Posted August 28, 2005 It seems to me that the value of a record or it's ethos is far more important than the actual music content for some people, sure value is important when buying and selling but these things are not trophys they are pieces of music, i feel often this is lost as it seems to be more about 'look what i got' and 'look how much this cost me', half the fun of collecting the records has now gone because many titles are out of the reach of the majority of people on the scene, i never thought i would say this but for me now i embrace the music rather than than the paper lable sure will always have the original format head on as a DJ but if i can enjoy the music the best way i can and if that means enjoying certain tracks say on CD then so be it, shoot me down in flames if you like, like i give a f*** anymore....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Supercorsa Posted August 28, 2005 Posted August 28, 2005 From someone who doesn't spend a great deal on single records, I don't really have this problem. What amazes me is the amount of people who ask values for records on here, then almost immediately whack it up for sale! True some people ask values when they are trying to purchase records and don't want to pay over the odds. But then, isn't a record worth as much as you're willing to pay for it? For example, if I have a maximum bid of £50 entered for a record on Ebay and I win it for £20, what is it's true value the £50 I was willing to pay, or the £20 I actually paid? Anyway if there's a record that I like and I can afford it, then I'll buy it. If there's a record I like and I can't afford it (more often than not), I don't buy it! Simple mathematics really!
Guest miff Posted August 28, 2005 Posted August 28, 2005 It seems to me that the value of a record or it's ethos is far more important than the actual music content for some people, sure value is important when buying and selling but these things are not trophys they are pieces of music, i feel often this is lost as it seems to be more about 'look what i got' and 'look how much this cost me', half the fun of collecting the records has now gone because many titles are out of the reach of the majority of people on the scene, i never thought i would say this but for me now i embrace the music rather than than the paper lable sure will always have the original format head on as a DJ but if i can enjoy the music the best way i can and if that means enjoying certain tracks say on CD then so be it, shoot me down in flames if you like, like i give a f*** anymore....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell. link Has'nt it always been like that, and is'nt that human nature most people want the next big thing. People boasting about the records they just brought at the venue we had just been to on the coach, car,transit van or train, on the way home was all part of the fun, Taking the piss if they had paid to much or getting well pissed off when someone else got the same record as you or even worse finding it cheeper We have all at some point in time brought a record with the sole intention of selling it on for a profit. To me the point in collecting is to own the records I want, and I like to listern to them, I all so enjoy looking at my records and I get a big buzz if i I got the Record cheep or it gose up in value. If that makes me any less a record collecter or an unworthy soulie then so be it Just as a foot note I have only sold records twice and on both occasions it was to rase money for unforseen circumestances
Mike Posted August 29, 2005 Author Posted August 29, 2005 .... down nearly got caught out twice last few days by falling values just got me thinking that though often see much talk about values on the up , never see any on values falling sure hear rumours/news out and about on recent finds etc, but throwing up a quick heads up on (which if dodgy can confirm or deny) can't be a bad thing.... can it ? link looking back was a bit of a sunday idealist post I suppose shrug
davidwapples Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 he didnt accept the £20 despite agreeing that its was only worth that and he had paid less said he would wait for someone to pay top wack dave
pikeys dog Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 he didnt accept the £20 despite agreeing that its was only worth that and he had paid less said he would wait for someone to pay top wack dave link There's the rub.... doesn't matter what you offer, everyone has got a set amount that they want, and that is often reflected on what is printed in Manships or what it recently fetched on eBay. The best way to go is not buy them, and when the prices do drop i'll scoop up what i'm after
Guest Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 If ebay is anything to go by many (far from all, but many) prices have dropped as much as 50% or more in less than a year. Not just individual items, all sorts of stuff, including all time classics and recent/current in-demanders. Maybe the market is flooded or maybe not so many people give a shit anymore? Did the returnee bubble just burst or something? You don't see much insanity along the lines of £400+ for Gail Anderson's £5 80's crap Motown cover anymore do you? It's not just the ultra inflated hyped up prices either, but many good solid northern oldies of the "constantly in-demand" variety also seem to have dropped drastically in recent times. Not sure if it means anything but it seems almost like a trend to me anyway. Just some thoughts and observations.
Wiganer1 Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 If ebay is anything to go by many (far from all, but many) prices have dropped as much as 50% or more in less than a year. ========= well i got 300 for my johnny howard on ebay,,after reducing twice on here to 275!! but no takers and sarky comments!
Guest Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 (edited) Well, it works both ways, and some individual records/titles will always go high but I still think there is something of a trend of dropping prices. Just look at the completed items, you will see at least 10 different titles, all good and popular records that less than a year ago would definitely have sold for twice the amount. Edited August 31, 2005 by Guest
Ged Parker Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Falling (or for that matter) rising values are mostly irrelevant if your aren't selling. I only sell things I have more than one copy of and sure I want to get a good price but if prices fall they fall just means it takes longer to pay off the bills for other acquisitions. I'm sure some of my collection will have dropped in price when I croak and Margaret comes to sell them, probably by big bucks, but not sure it'll make much difference to me then.
Dave Abbott Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 I sort of nealry, quite, maybe, agree with Chrisitan. I have seen records go on ebay for less than i would have expected, BUT these are not the all-time classic ones, which seem to be on the up price-wise.
Dave Moore Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Falling (or for that matter) rising values are mostly irrelevant if your aren't selling. I only sell things I have more than one copy of and sure I want to get a good price but if prices fall they fall just means it takes longer to pay off the bills for other acquisitions. I'm sure some of my collection will have dropped in price when I croak and Margaret comes to sell them, probably by big bucks, but not sure it'll make much difference to me then. link A real collectors perspective. Same as mine. Price when buying is all I've ever bothered about. What they fetch on the open market once I have them is irrelevant. They ain't going no where, therefore once I have them tucked in the boxes, they become worthless in terms of $$$$$. Lots of "collectors" don't seem get it eh? Regards, Dave https://www.hitsvillesoulclub.com/
Ged Parker Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 A real collectors perspective. Same as mine. Price when buying is all I've ever bothered about. What they fetch on the open market once I have them is irrelevant. They ain't going no where, therefore once I have them tucked in the boxes, they become worthless in terms of $$$$$. Lots of "collectors" don't seem get it eh? Regards, Dave https://www.hitsvillesoulclub.com/ link That's it Dave can't see why people worry about the value of stuff they aint gonna sell. It's like the brits facination with house prices. Doesnt mean a thing unless your gonna sell up and live in a shoe box
Guest Posted September 1, 2005 Posted September 1, 2005 That's it Dave can't see why people worry about the value of stuff they aint gonna sell. It's like the brits facination with house prices. Doesnt mean a thing unless your gonna sell up and live in a shoe box link Totally agree, once I've bought a record it's bought, dead money. You go to the pub spend so & so & it's gone, you don't get it back, it's money you use to enjoy yourself, same as records except you don't pi$$ them down the drain. Who cares if the price goes down? If you're looking at investment go for art! (or something )
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