Citizen P Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 It's been bugging me for a long time. I KNOW that when I first heard it at the break it went staight into the strings, When it got reissued/pressed -at the break before the strings, it's got that horrible organ type thing. And every time I've heard it played out over the last few years it's the second version I've heard.. So, what's the crack ?? Am I going crackers or what?? Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 (edited) Its a different mix more reverb and the longer 73 issue has cellos then violins no organ. Edited December 15, 2010 by Prophonics 2029 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 (edited) lsn't there an instrumental as well.....or is it just me?? Long or short version Webb Edited December 15, 2010 by Prophonics 2029 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 Its a different mix more reverb and the longer 73 issue has chelos then violins no organ. Let's see if I've got this right- The short version-staight into the violins, is the original ? The long version-with the sh*te before the violins is the reissue.?? The instrumental is a figment of Webby's fevered imagination??? I presume then, that the original short version is fairly hard to get hold of which is why I am only hearing the ruined version. Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 No there is an instrumental....Think it's by The Teddy Vann Orchestra... have you had too much alcohol infused christmas pud already? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 No there is an instrumental....Think it's by The Teddy Vann Orchestra... More likely The Yellow Van Orchestra. Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Let's see if I've got this right- The short version-staight into the violins, is the original ? The long version-with the sh*te before the violins is the reissue.?? The instrumental is a figment of Webby's fevered imagination??? I presume then, that the original short version is fairly hard to get hold of which is why I am only hearing the ruined version. Tony Hi Tony, The Original Pops Up Quite Frequently On Ebay But Always Does Strong Money I Have Been Trying To Get A Mint Demo (Red N White) On First Issue But Even In The current Financial Climate It Goes For Over $200 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Think they might be coming to take me away.. Hide Behind The Counter Phil If You Have Your Sweet Shop Up and Running!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 Hi Tony, The Original Pops Up Quite Frequently On Ebay But Always Does Strong Money I Have Been Trying To Get A Mint Demo (Red N White) On First Issue But Even In The current Financial Climate It Goes For Over $200 I'd have one if I could afford it, 100 times better than the remix/reissue And 1000 times better than Webbys instro Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 (edited) Its Horns and not cello on the 73 version. I can't get into refo to confirm but we did this a while back. Edited December 15, 2010 by Prophonics 2029 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I'd have one if I could afford it, 100 times better than the remix/reissue And 1000 times better than Webbys instro Tony I Bid $225 A Couple OF Weeks Back On The Demo On Ebay But Got outbid At the Last Minute Gonna Buy A Better Snipe B4 Xmas!! Yeah That Instro Of Phil's Is A P*** Poor Quality Recording You Can Hear A Pin Drop When It's Playing !! :lol: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest martyn Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Its Horns and not cello on the 73 version. I can't get into refo to confirm but we did this a while back. Thats the 73 version isnt it ???? .............................................(or do I need a yellow van as well ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 More likely The Yellow Van Orchestra. Tony :lol: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 The '73 version is not a remix - it's actually the unedited original take. The 60s (first) issue on Calla had that bit cut out - I've seen the production master tape going through a Revox so I can confirm that there was definitely an edit there. Seems like Roulette went back to the original session tape when they reissued it , and didn't bother to re-edit that edit.... The 'proper' (i.e. edited) single master is about to come out on CD in January, on a new Kent Jerry Williams/Swamp Dogg anthology - this time taken from the original production tapethat was used for the first issue, and with the dynamic 'One! Two! OneTwoThreeFour!!!' count-in from Jerry reinstated for extra added excitement. There's no surviving tape of just the backing track so perhaps Teddy drove off with it in his Vann, Webby.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 (edited) There's no surviving tape of just the backing track so perhaps Teddy drove off with it in his Vann, Webby Edited December 16, 2010 by mrtag Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 The Original DEMO with Edit, I believe that the Out Of The Past BOOT has same take. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Early 90s I bought a plain white Calla promo of this and it wasn't expensive as I remember. Would this have been a 73 jobbie? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 (edited) Sorry l got my Disco Demands mixed-up,l meant 'What Shall l Do'-Frankie and The Classicals...... Does that have an instrumental?? Yup After the Session - The Subway Riders Edited December 16, 2010 by Dave Turner Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Early 90s I bought a plain white Calla promo of this and it wasn't expensive as I remember. Would this have been a 73 jobbie? The Plain White Demo Is Usually The 73 Press!! It Usually States 1973 Just Under The Artist's Name Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 Yup After the Session - The Subway Riders Ther is also a Subway Riders- After the Session that uses Only Your Love Can Save Me, track. One is thought to be rarer than the other, I ain't sure which Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Let's see if I've got this right- The short version-staight into the violins, is the original ? The long version-with the sh*te before the violins is the reissue.?? I presume then, that the original short version is fairly hard to get hold of which is why I am only hearing the ruined version. Tony The original came out on Demo and Issue on Calla records in 1966. That one is the short version with the original loud haunting sound to it. In 1973 it was reissued by Calla because of Northen Soul demand. This was remixed to make it a softer sound, and it is the longer cut. The label of the demo and issue of this reissue has the date 1973 on it. Calla Original is about £150 Calle Reissue about £10 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 In 1973 it was reissued by Calla because of Northen Soul demand. This was remixed to make it a softer sound, and it is the longer cut. ...Don't you bother reading a whole thread before posting? I've already explained/confirmed that the 1973 cut is not a remix. If its sounds softer it's because it was taken from a different tape to the original production master... Honestly, I really don't know why I bother sometimes. At least on Pama Forum people actually seem to take note of the information I post... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davetay Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 (edited) Yup After the Session - The Subway Riders Also Honey Townsend "That World Again" and Mark Johnson "This Beautiful Place" just done a youtube of this but the wrong record as been put up. Edited December 16, 2010 by davetay Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Also Honey Townsend "That World Again" and Mark Johnson "This Beautiful Place" just done a youtube of this but the wrong record as been put up. Hi Dave, Yes of course. When I put the above clip on here I knew there were at least a couple of others but for the life of me couldn't remeber what they were. I should have remembered the Mark Johnson as I used to have it in my pimpled youth. On Diamond if I remember right. Memories going to shite Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 The Original DEMO with Edit, I believe that the Out Of The Past BOOT has same take. I remember getting an original demo of Jerry Williams in the early 70s (1972 or 73) from Simon Soussan with a note saying I must have it as it was going to be the BIGGEST northern soul record of all time(this may be a slight exageration but not much). I had ordered and paid for a different record but that is how Soussan worked . In a similiar way to Jerry Williams I think Al Wilsons '' Now I Know What Love Is'' has an extra bar on the break on the US Soul City issue compared to the UK Liberty issue, or could be t'other way round. Anyone confirm this or know why (Mr Rounce?) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
purist Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Make it easy on yourself, buy the British one on Pye Disco Demand. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Just been looking on Popsike and an original short edit has picked up in price over the years. longer mix goes for 30 to 50 but I can't find anything for a tenner unless this is the Pye copy. By the way where dose this fit in, sounds like the same backing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfvPazJFSNc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 Just been looking on Popsike and an original short edit has picked up in price over the years. longer mix goes for 30 to 50 but I can't find anything for a tenner unless this is the Pye copy. By the way where dose this fit in, sounds like the same backing. https://www.youtube.c...h?v=BfvPazJFSNc Dunno, every one I've seen is an obvious boot, like that one. I know Chip Tyler did work with Billy Vera, but someone with more knowledge than I will have to find the connection Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Dave Flynn has a WLP of this. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Dave Flynn has a WLP of this. Which One The Original Or The 73 Re-Issue ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Which One The Original Or The 73 Re-Issue ? Chip Tyler. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Chip Tyler. Sorry Tony Got Them Mixed Up !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 l bought the F***in' lot!! Even Illa Vann.......Not Teddy Vann.......are they related?? Just gotta say, this is the most Bonkers thread I've ever seen on this forum! PMSL Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 (edited) ...Don't you bother reading a whole thread before posting? I've already explained/confirmed that the 1973 cut is not a remix. If its sounds softer it's because it was taken from a different tape to the original production master... Honestly, I really don't know why I bother sometimes. At least on Pama Forum people actually seem to take note of the information I post... I did read your post, The original 1966 Calla recording seems to have a louder 60's feel to it. Edited December 17, 2010 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I Think Everyone Has Been At The Bottle!! No Not Gil Scott Heron!! Oh No Don't Start That Again Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Also Honey Townsend "That World Again" and Mark Johnson "This Beautiful Place" just done a youtube of this but the wrong record as been put up. burning emotions - the new world - bang mark johnson - this beautifull place - diamond promo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I Bid $225 A Couple OF Weeks Back On The Demo On Ebay But Got outbid At the Last Minute Gonna Buy A Better Snipe B4 Xmas!! Yeah That Instro Of Phil's Is A P*** Poor Quality Recording You Can Hear A Pin Drop When It's Playing !! :yes: I've got one for £120 if you're interested mate? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davetay Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 burning emotions - the new world - bang mark johnson - this beautifull place - diamond promo I forgot all about the Burning Emotions on Bang, Maybe because I never had one, as for as I know I have had all the others, but no doubt someone will come up with a version I don't know. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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