How Come They Never Made It Big?

[Guest Pete Higson]

Not heard your Willie Tee before, is that silly money ?

and am I right in thinking that one way street came out

on Gatur ?

Pete H

[Ian Dewhirst]

And another on Atlantic from the Cliff Nobles period which also seemed to be in everyone's box but which never took off to my knowledge. I'd imagine that if this had turned up on a litlle known Philly label in the last few years it would hailed as a monster. Is it still cheap as chips?

"Good Love Gone Bad" - The Ambassadors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iThCQR1cCkE

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

My Wants List is Far Bigger than my Wallet nowadays.

Spent most of my wages in my younger years at Soul Bowl.

Good investment though Roger. There's gold in them there shelves.

Ian D

[pikeys dog]

PS I wonder if that's Edward Hamilton on the songwriting credits?

Possibly, since Billy Sha-Rae recorded it as well... 10 times better, but also 10 times rarer IMO.

[pikeys dog]

Not heard your Willie Tee before, is that silly money ?

and am I right in thinking that one way street came out

on Gatur ?

Pete H

Walking Up a One Way Street came out on Nola first - atlantic was the National release.

[Guest Pete Higson]

Just a few off the top of my head before I wind down and look through the shelves tomorrow

Hey, Ian, this can go on for ever more !

Bobby Mandolph "Got to get you back"

Jonny Newbag ditto

Irma & the Larks "Without you baby"

Pearline Grey & the Pasengers "I don't wanna cry"

Miles Grayson trio "You were wrong"

As you say, too cheap at the time to go anywhere,

As musical quality goes Brewsters millions .

Good night

Pete H.

[Guest]

That happened to all of us Roger. In fact the Aldora Britton record probably suffered because it was perceived as too common at the time, so being on Soul Bowl's list for a couple of quid at the time probably killed it stone dead if the truth's known. Wasn't rare enough for us egotistical DJ's.

We were dickheads. It's one of my favourites now. I don't why it took me 35 years to get the full impact of it.

Ian D

I will second that statement Ian : it was always on lists , and if you did purchase a SP , it was amongst them .

As a result of this , I think we became too blase about it - blinkered into believing rarity made a better record - and pushed it to one side instead of " getting behind it " .

Malc

[Blake H]

Always suprised this never went big......

Chuck Ray Please dont let go.....Buddah

BH

Edited November 21, 2010 by BLAKE H

[Blake H]

https://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RAsmkXXRa4&feature=related

Or this, Greg Perry....Love Control...Chess

BH

Tried three methods of inserting youtube clips.....all wont load...........off back to bed.

Edited November 21, 2010 by BLAKE H

[Guest Pete Higson]

Walking Up a One Way Street came out on Nola first - atlantic was the National release.

Yes, Nola, Knew it was a local lable,saw it on a list not too long ago, not too much money either

must look for it again

[Ian Dewhirst]

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Always suprised this never went big......

Chuck Ray Please dont let go.....Buddah

BH

[Ian Dewhirst]

Or this, Greg Perry....Love Control...Chess

Tried three methods of inserting youtube clips.....all wont load...........off back to bed.

Here's the tip Blake. When the insert media box drops down, delete the https:// thing in the box and then paste in your copy of the clip otherwise you get 2 x https:// which won't work.

And you're right. Another cheap as chips record back then that was ignored due to it being everywhere!

"Love Control" - Greg Perry

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

And another one by a GREAT GREAT vocalist. I've only heard two records by him and they're both f*cking great. Whatever happened to him and are there any other records he made?

It's beyond me how this wasn't a huge record. Maybe a little too sophisticated at the time? I dunno but this is EXACTLY what I wanna hear - great song, great lyrics, great arrangement. What's not to like?

By the way the title equates the shape of a woman to a coca cola bottle. Interesting ay?

"Colalined Baby" - Dave Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3CurdTJn0o

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

I will second that statement Ian : it was always on lists , and if you did purchase a SP , it was amongst them .

As a result of this , I think we became too blase about it - blinkered into believing rarity made a better record - and pushed it to one side instead of " getting behind it " .

Malc

I blame the bloody Torch DJ's!

Shoulda been huge in '72!

Ian D

[BrianB]

chris hamilton - i've got to have your love - bell

IS THERE AN ISSUE OF THIS ONLY SEEN DEMOS ? CRACKING TUNE FROM 67

KEV

Hi Kevin

Bloody hell. Heard this once before in my whole life at the Pendelum. Manged to catch it on tape that night but have never known what it was called for all those years. Never heard it played out since.

There is now only one record out there that I never hear, haven't got it on any format and no idea what it is called! Last heard it at the Burnley Circulation all dayer about 6 years ago and missed the DJ who played it. I listen for hours on You Tube/Refo Soul to try to find it but no joy.

Only northern soul could do that to someone!

[Ian Dewhirst]

Hi Kevin

Bloody hell. Heard this once before in my whole life at the Pendelum. Manged to catch it on tape that night but have never known what it was called for all those years. Never heard it played out since.

There is now only one record out there that I never hear, haven't got it on any format and no idea what it is called! Last heard it at the Burnley Circulation all dayer about 6 years ago and missed the DJ who played it. I listen for hours on You Tube/Refo Soul to try to find it but no joy.

Only northern soul could do that to someone!

That's the whole point of thread in a way Brian. Who knows why some records didn't make it first time around? People might not be aware of 'em, or have completely forgotten about them or just never thought to listen to 'em for one reason or another. Also we have to bear in mind that there could be a lot of casual browsers that maybe just want to hear some recommendations from people. If that results in a few people wanting to add to their collections that's not such a bad thing is it?

And I bet those Chris Hamilton's are thinner on the ground then people may think. Cheap as chips back in the day but I've personally never found one ever.

Great record!

Ian D

[Jez Jones]

I think this deserved it moment in the limelight

finnegans wake - you blew it - val

[Jez Jones]

The \Ronnie Saoy earlier in the thread reminded me of this ---a mighty fine sweet soul offering

On Wingate 001---wonder if it really was the first they come up with on that label

ronnie savoy - loving you - wingate 1

[BrianB]

I think this deserved it moment in the limelight

finnegans wake - you blew it - val

Brilliant record and brilliant thread.

[kevinsoulman]

Hi Kevin

Bloody hell. Heard this once before in my whole life at the Pendelum. Manged to catch it on tape that night but have never known what it was called for all those years. Never heard it played out since.

There is now only one record out there that I never hear, haven't got it on any format and no idea what it is called! Last heard it at the Burnley Circulation all dayer about 6 years ago and missed the DJ who played it. I listen for hours on You Tube/Refo Soul to try to find it but no joy.

Only northern soul could do that to someone!

pleased to have helped you out on that one ,i do not dj except on rare occasions when asked, but if i come across a great sounding tune i will buy it and have accumulated a few hundred not mega priced tunes over the years of which this was one ,

kev

[Trev Thomas]

Always gives me goosebumps and deffo his best ever performance IMO but I hardly ever heard it out. Was it ever huge anywhere?

"Look At Me Now" - Terry Callier

Ian D

this one was played to death all over the country during the 90's

[Wiganer1]

Hi Kevin

Bloody hell. Heard this once before in my whole life at the Pendelum. Manged to catch it on tape that night but have never known what it was called for all those years. Never heard it played out since.

There is now only one record out there that I never hear, haven't got it on any format and no idea what it is called! Last heard it at the Burnley Circulation all dayer about 6 years ago and missed the DJ who played it. I listen for hours on You Tube/Refo Soul to try to find it but no joy.

Only northern soul could do that to someone!

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i spun chris hamilton at the marrs bar niter, and rob smith cudnt believe he hadnt heard for years,,,,,,theres loads of gr8 records like this...

[Ian Dewhirst]

this one was played to death all over the country during the 90's

I thought it may have been. I found one in '79 and then forgot who I sold it to!

Ian D

[Guest bunty]

And another one by a GREAT GREAT vocalist. I've only heard two records by him and they're both f*cking great. Whatever happened to him and are there any other records he made?

It's beyond me how this wasn't a huge record. Maybe a little too sophisticated at the time? I dunno but this is EXACTLY what I wanna hear - great song, great lyrics, great arrangement. What's not to like?

By the way the title equates the shape of a woman to a coca cola bottle. Interesting ay?

"Colalined Baby" - Dave Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3CurdTJn0o

Ian D

This was a big spin at the howard Mallett in Cambridge by Tony Dellar.

so was Sandy Hadley and I don't think I can remember hearing it played much anywhere else! I often request it out!

[Mrtag]

Another Gem Out Of A 70's Soulpack ! !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlqljNRwkPY

Edited November 21, 2010 by mrtag

[Ian Dewhirst]

Another Gem Out Of A 70's Soulpack ! !

https://www.youtube.c...h?v=QlqljNRwkPY

LOL, you're right. I don't know many they pressed but I bet the majority of 'em are over here. I think Sam played this for a while didn't he?

And whilst we're on KILLER Southern tracks which should have made it bigger, how about this one.....

"'Til I Get It Right" - Willie Hobbs

Can be picked up for £30 these days. Don't think I've heard it out for well over 30 years......

Ian D

[Mrtag]

LOL, you're right. I don't know many they pressed but I bet the majority of 'em are over here. I think Sam played this for a while didn't he?

And whilst we're on KILLER Southern tracks which should have made it bigger, how about this one.....

"'Til I Get It Right" - Willie Hobbs

Can be picked up for £30 these days. Don't think I've heard it out for well over 30 years......

Ian D

I Think your right on the Charlie Whitehead Track Ian !! I hadn't heard this for 30 odd years and the girlfriend played a cd in the car a few weeks ago second track in!! I nearly fell out the door I thought everbody had binned it !! I Think what did it was the Amazing b4 the name most of the lads back then took the p*ss thats why probabley Sam was the only one with the bottle to play it!! And I wouldn't be surprised if it was covered Up :D Atb John.

[Guest]

Be big again one day ?

[Guest]

I blame the bloody Torch DJ's!

Shoulda been huge in '72!

Ian D

I will mention it to Alan Day to see if he will accept responsibility

Malc

[Ian Dewhirst]

Here's one that turned up circa '75 but kinda got lost in the whole Northern/Modern controversy at the time. But boy, what fantastic vocals from David Simmons on this early Philly item. Sounds much better now than I remember back in the day, so maybe it's time will come again.....

"Human" - Neo Experience

Ian D

[Cheltsoulnights]

I have often wondered why this record did not make it .

A notable spin at Hose Street , but never heard it elsewhere .

Malc

A regular play at the Yate Allnighters

[Cheltsoulnights]

I found this in L.A. in 1976 and managed to keep it until the late 80's when Sam prised it out of my hands. It was a little too messy for tastes in the 70's and I don't know if it ever took off anywhere but it should have 'cos it's just such an atmospheric record by one of the all-time greats. Lovely record!

"I'm Having So Much Fun" - Willie Tee

Ian D

Was a regular play at Middleton

Took me a few years to find one. A tough one

Edited November 22, 2010 by CheltSoulNights

[paup-ine]

How on earth could this NOT be huge? Unbelievable vocals..........

"Looking Over My Shoulder" - Marva Hicks

Ian D

popular at Yate

P

[Sjclement]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYccO9vZuw

Also done by Patti Drew but this is my favourite version

[Sjclement]

Thanks for the tip Ian this is absolute bliss

[Guest]

A regular play at the Yate Allnighters

As I stated in my reply ( posting # 57 ) regarding " Monday Monday " -

" My apologies Jerry ( Jerry Hipkiss ) . My visits to to both venues ( Yate and St Ives ) obviously coincided with the nights it was not played . Good to know it received spins "

What I should have originally put in my posting , was to state that I did not hear it played at a venue after The Torch . It was obviously picked up on several years later thus enabling it to recieve the plays at Yate and St Ives .

Malc

Edited November 23, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Anoraks Corner]

This one never went massive enough to now be regarded as an Oldie/Classic (due to it being an easy find?).

Even more surprising considering it saw a UK release as well.

Pure uptempo NSoul that doesn't break the bank balance.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Anoraks Corner

[Wiganer1]

As I stated in my reply ( posting # 57 ) regarding " Monday Monday " - " My apologies Jerry ( Jerry Hipkiss ) . My visits to to both venues ( Yate and St Ives ) obviously coincided with the nights it was not played . Good to know it received spins " What I should have originally put in my posting , was to state that I did not hear it played at a venue after The Torch . It was obviously picked up on several years later thus enabling it to recieve the plays at Yate and St Ives . Malc

==== GOT A TAPE OF THIS WITH DAVE EVISON SPINNING IT IN Ms CIRCA 75....GREAT OLDIE. MALC.. Edited November 23, 2010 by wiganer1

[Wiganer1]

WHAT ABOUT PEOPLES CHOICE - LOST AND FOUND.ON PHILIPS..FAB OLDIE.......

[Harry Crosby]

==== GOT A TAPE OF THIS WITH DAVE EVISON SPINNING IT IN Ms CIRCA 75....GREAT OLDIE. MALC..

allways remember this one from M`S, funnily enough one of our guests played it last year, sounded great to me, however a certain lady no names mentioned

said " can`t believe he played mamas & the papas" far too many ciders dearest

[Guest]

This one never went massive enough to now be regarded as an Oldie/Classic (due to it being an easy find?).

Even more surprising considering it saw a UK release as well.

Pure uptempo NSoul that doesn't break the bank balance.

Shot up in price when i played it down the 100club, £10 to £11

[hullsoul]

Shot up in price when i played it down the 100club, £10 to £11

Nick Hacket used to play it quite a bit at the old Middleton along with another cheapie The Capitols-I Got To Handle It Karen.

Cheers

Martyn

[Guest]

Nick Hacket used to play it quite a bit at the old Middleton along with another cheapie The Capitols-I Got To Handle It Karen.

Cheers

Martyn

Funny that Capitols i played last week at Rugby used to play at the same time and Nick a regular 100club attendee,maybe i was a major influence back then

[Wiggyflat]

One that baffles me is the 4 Tempos-Got To Have You on Rampart.(maybe it was big somewhere for a week)...still cheap as chips and a stormer of a record.Not even on youtube as is Chris Bartley-You Get Next To My Heart.....all these great soul records and people seem to be chasing novelty latin soul/pop that was big in the early eighties.

[Ian Dewhirst]

One that baffles me is the 4 Tempos-Got To Have You on Rampart.(maybe it was big somewhere for a week)...still cheap as chips and a stormer of a record.Not even on youtube as is Chris Bartley-You Get Next To My Heart.....all these great soul records and people seem to be chasing novelty latin soul/pop that was big in the early eighties.

Talking of the Tempos, how did this not make it? It's got everything great tune, soulful vocal, great hook, swirlng strings and punchy horns. Could it be that it was on the 'B' side to the bootleg of "Countdown (Here I Come)" I wonder.......?

"Sad Sad Memories" - The Tempos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zwtp7TzdfI

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Funny that Capitols i played last week at Rugby used to play at the same time and Nick a regular 100club attendee,maybe i was a major influence back then

Mmm. Maybe that Decisions has shot up to £15 now then?

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

I have often wondered why this record did not make it .

A notable spin at Hose Street , but never heard it elsewhere .

Malc

Now if you still want to spin a Dee Dee Warwicke track but without those tiresome Mamas & Papas comparisons, you could do a lot worse than this......

Was always surprised that this never took off in the 70's. Pretty faultless to these ears.....

"Don't You Ever Give Up On Me" - Dee Dee Warwicke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz8krUvYUAs

Ian D

[Guest peter burke]

Here's one that turned up circa '75 but kinda got lost in the whole Northern/Modern controversy at the time. But boy, what fantastic vocals from David Simmons on this early Philly item. Sounds much better now than I remember back in the day, so maybe it's time will come again.....

"Human" - Neo Experience

Ian D

It is indeed Ian.

Sam dug it out a couple of years back in Bamberg and went down really well.

Heard it again couple of times since which annoyingly always reminds me that a mate gave me a couple of old packs from Soul Bowl containing a copy about 7 year ago and I let Henry Atkinson have it for a tenner!

Pete

[Ian Dewhirst]

It is indeed Ian.

Sam dug it out a couple of years back in Bamberg and went down really well.

Heard it again couple of times since which annoyingly always reminds me that a mate gave me a couple of old packs from Soul Bowl containing a copy about 7 year ago and I let Henry Atkinson have it for a tenner!

Pete

Yep, killer record. I've revived it on the radio show over the last couple of years too and it always sounds great. There's two pressings of it too 'cos the one I used to have was just a plain yellow label with black print.

A bit like this one in fact. Another one from the same era which could have slotted in nicely with some of the Mel Britts, Anderson Brothers etc, etc

"I'll Always Love You" - Quinn Harris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtmYUlFWPE

Ian D

[Wiggyflat]

Have these ever had their day in the sun

Casualeers-You Betta Be Sure (Laurie)

Chris Calloway-Youre Something Else(CUB)

Alaina Reed-Don't Let Me Fall In Love Alone (Capitol)

Debbie Taylor-Don't Nobody Mess With My Baby (GWP)

Marvellows-Piece Of Silk (WB)

Gambrells-Fall In Love For The First Time (CUB)

Otis Brown-Will You Wait (Lujuna)

Timoth Carr -A Stop Along (Hot Biscuit)

Jeannie Fortune-Once More With Feeling (RCA)

Southwind Symphony-Coming Home (Glolite)

Gentle Persuasion-Dynamite Explodes

The Casualeers I thought would have had plays off the back of Dance Dance Dance??,The Southwind Symphony off the back of Lou Pride it being the instrumental (in every Domar soul pack I bought) and the Gentle Persuasion a cheaper version of Honey and the Bees Dynamite explodes...........all still cheapies.