What do we all think are the really rare/hardest to find white demo's. If this has been done before, sorry.

Dave

Kell Osborne on Highland just 3(?) known copies?

  On 11/10/2010 at 20:18, chalky said:

Kell Osborne on Highland just 3(?) known copies?

Hi Chalks

How are you Mate. Agree but was think demo's over issues ie Dave Love below, although it is very hard to sell.

 

Leon Haywood??

I think Joe Moore might be one

I didn't even know it existed until he showed it to me .... guess it never got past promo stage as it was issued on Verve

Andy

  On 11/10/2010 at 20:27, AndyRix said:

I think Joe Moore might be one

I didn't even know it existed until he showed it to me .... guess it never got past promo stage as it was issued on Verve

Andy

Nice Andy:thumbsup:

Hi Dave. Good thanks likewise I hope?

Gail Anderson on Salvador?

I believe this to be very rare, only ever seen 2 copies one in Detroit and one over here, anyone on here got one.

 

uk tamla motown,tmg-525-marv johnson,red/white demo.

uk tmg-885,willie hutch,alledged plain white label 45 with handwritten labels,???.

uk tmg-786.r.d.taylor,allegded plain white label 45 with handwritten labels,???,

This probably doesn't quite qualify as issues are harder but in this format it's unusual

Andy

This used to be a tough one ... not so sure if it's still as hard to find

Andy

Dave.Am i right in thinking the Brewster Crew demos have a white label stuck over the issue?.

gwen owens wanted & needed this is a tough one how rare is it

Edited October 11, 201014 yr by Nidge1

I think Superlatives - Lonely in a crowd - Dynamics is a toughie!

I Had a white demo of Brenda Tee My Belief on Riley's a couple of years back

I sold it to Johnny Weston, perhaps he can put a scan up.

Dave

  On 11/10/2010 at 20:12, Dave Thorley said:

What do we all think are the really rare/hardest to find white demo's. If this has been done before, sorry.

Dave

Sorry I'll get my pyjamas and get to bed!!

 

  On 11/10/2010 at 21:27, Nidge1 said:

gwen owens wanted & needed this is a tough one how rare is it

must be one of the rarest. Also Lillie Bryant on tayster

  On 11/10/2010 at 21:15, TRICKY said:

Dave.Am i right in thinking the Brewster Crew demos have a white label stuck over the issue?.

Yeah. The stock label underneath the paper white label doesn't have the artist name.

  On 11/10/2010 at 20:22, Dave Thorley said:

Hi Chalks

How are you Mate. Agree but was think demo's over issues ie Dave Love below, although it is very hard to sell.

 

That strange, JM said that there was only 50 demo's of this made but yours looks different from mine Dave, I am sure I have molded paper and bolder font? or you have bolder font on the Promotion copy logo.

 

Just noticed my copy says 4 souls and your copy says 3 souls music???????

Not a White DEMO the first one I know, but some of the easiest on a Stock Copy have a near Impossible DEMO for some reason.

Price doesn't reflect RARITY sometimes.

a crap record but how about dickie and the ebbtides on golden world number 45,rare enough on an issue...

 

  On 12/10/2010 at 06:17, de-to said:

a crap record but how about dickie and the ebbtides on golden world number 45,rare enough on an issue...

Don't think I've ever seen a DEMO of one, not even a Scan.

  On 12/10/2010 at 06:23, 45cellar said:

Don't think I've ever seen a DEMO of one, not even a Scan.

roger,ive got this on the pre golden world label "fleetwood" but sadly like most people i have no golden world 45 of it,!!!

  On 12/10/2010 at 03:27, Prophonics 2029 said:

That strange, JM said that there was only 50 demo's of this made but yours looks different from mine Dave, I am sure I have molded paper and bolder font? or you have bolder font on the Promotion copy logo.

They mis-printed the label pt1 and pt2, flip yours over. I got 4 copies from one of the late owners wives.

Maybe it took another brother to come up with the instrumental:D

Edited October 12, 201014 yr by Dave Thorley

Maybe not the rarest but here are a few are nice and easy on stock issue that took me a while to locate as WDJs:

Harold Andrews - Since I Talk To My Baby - HLS

Johnny Sales - My Loves A Monster Baby - Chi Town

The Sunliners - All Alone - Golden World

Whispers - Where Have You Been - Roker

And one I still haven't got:

Belita Woods - Magic Corner - Karen 106

Regards,

Dave

While were on the subject, which of the Ric Tic white demo's are hard to find

  On 11/10/2010 at 20:38, de-to said:

uk tamla motown,tmg-525-marv johnson,red/white demo.

uk tmg-885,willie hutch,alledged plain white label 45 with handwritten labels,???.

uk tmg-786.r.d.taylor,allegded plain white label 45 with handwritten labels,???,

First one doesn't exist, the second two, well every UK TMG would have had test pressings like those, I've had various one sided acetates, 2 sided acetates, white labels, even one sided test presses of a couple of the EP's.

2 white demos that are hard to find are -

Tony Clarke - Landslide and Eddie Parker - Love You Baby

i got......

thelma lindsey "prepared to love you" magic city w/d

+

wilson pickett " let me be your boy" correctone w/d

always thought they were nice

franc

Anyone know if Z.Z.HILL- What More / Thats It. Is hard on white demo ?

  On 12/10/2010 at 03:27, Prophonics 2029 said:

That strange, JM said that there was only 50 demo's of this made but yours looks different from mine Dave, I am sure I have molded paper and bolder font? or you have bolder font on the Promotion copy logo.

  On 12/10/2010 at 06:36, Dave Thorley said:

They mis-printed the label pt1 and pt2, flip yours over. I got 4 copies from one of the late owners wives.

Maybe it took another brother to come up with the instrumental:D

Re. Dave Love W/D

OK, I take all that back, I've just found my copy. It has 'Three Souls Music' on both sides and has a 'Bell Sound' stamp in the run out groove

So the mystery thickens, was it in fact pressed twice. Does yours have a 'Bell Sound' stamp ?

It is possible that it was pressed twice, as the label was jointly own by Johnny Worlds (Worlds Records, New York) & Al Holiday (Steeltown Records, Phittsburgh). It is possible that they both had copies pressed local to them.

It would be interesting to hear John's thoughts on this.

Edited October 12, 201014 yr by Dave Thorley

A Bell Sound then a strange Greek like symbol SF S-2004 or 5 hash sign 722-a or b son.

seen so many issues on Ebay as well.

  On 12/10/2010 at 07:52, Dave Thorley said:

While were on the subject, which of the Ric Tic white demo's are hard to find

think J J BARNES-PLEASE LET ME IN is a tough one Dave

  On 12/10/2010 at 12:02, Prophonics 2029 said:

A Bell Sound then a strange Greek like symbol SF S-2004 or 5 hash sign 722-a or b son.

seen so many issues on Ebay as well.

Mine has.......... # 722 A .!. SON Bell Sound sf s-2004

So looks like the same run out info

Another toughie on White Demo IMO is Cody Black on Rambrock.West Coast pressing.Anybody know what colour the west coast issue is?

  On 12/10/2010 at 12:19, SONBERT said:

think J J BARNES-PLEASE LET ME IN is a tough one Dave

Agree, also believe that San Remo Strings and Laura Lee are hard to find.

Velgo, just a thought, if they did W/D of Gwen Owens, wonder if they did one for Two plus Two ?

Edited October 12, 201014 yr by Dave Thorley

Well, apart from those already mentioned and the following well-documented tough WD's - Magnetics (WIWMB), Precisions (SAS), Junior McCants (TMFYNL), Jesse Davis (TRFM), Tony Clarke (LS), John Bowie (YGMAGT), Herman Lewis (WKYT) and Eddie Parker (LYB), I'd also like to offer up the following which are very, very tough to find as WD's...but do exist:

Gene Woodbury - Ever Again - Del Val

Falcons - I'm A Fool I Must Love You - Big Wheel

Del Larks - Out Of The In Crowd - Jet

Willie Johnson - I Can't See Myself - Future Stars (feat. both sides, but more on the Deep than Northern side of Soul)

If you want to spread the net wider to include non-US releases, well I've got some Japnese WDs that would knock you off your feet...another time, another thread maybe!

  On 12/10/2010 at 15:54, Flynny said:

Falcons - I'm A Fool I Must Love You - Big Wheel

Damn your eyes Mr Flynn! I'd almost struck this off the wants list as I've never seen one or know anyone who has one. It always made sense that it would exist though. Anyone got a copy or a scan?

Best,

Dave

Rarest white demo as far as I'm concerned is 'Shock Horror' a 12" copy of King Tutt.

Relatively common on a 12" issue as there are at least 1/2 a dozen known :-)) but this is the only 12" W/D that I know of apart from the alleged badly warped copy in London that no one's ever seen.

God I want that lump of 12" vinyl so so badly.

Also throws up the question as to wether 7" King Tutt Fun City W/D's exist as never seen or heard of one.

  On 11/10/2010 at 21:27, Nidge1 said:

gwen owens wanted & needed this is a tough one how rare is it

yep rare as............what about the aeroplane song.......thats a rare un......mind you never seen an issue does it exist?

  On 12/10/2010 at 08:17, kjw said:

2 white demos that are hard to find are -

Tony Clarke - Landslide and Eddie Parker - Love You Baby

have seen a tony clarke white demo with white chess pieces embosed all over the label.....gotta be rare that one

what about.........sequins try my love detroit sound and marsha gee on uptown.......not ever seen em but cooperman from bedford has had em both

What about Detroit Sounds Of Friction? rare enough on issue let alone the white demo

Harry

Dave what about one you used to play at Stafford and lucky me managed to obtain a copy,Rat Race.white label,hand written,he told me only 5 ever made.

  On 12/10/2010 at 14:13, Dave Thorley said:

Velgo, just a thought, if they did W/D of Gwen Owens, wonder if they did one for Two plus Two ?

Mick H has a 'just say you're wanted' W/D, aint seen another, probably not likely to either.

  On 12/10/2010 at 18:01, peggy babcock said:

have seen a tony clarke white demo with white chess pieces embosed all over the label.....gotta be rare that one

If I remember rightly Steve Smith had a white demo of Tony Clarke, seen a couple go through ebay. Here's a scan from Benji's site, thought I had a better scan of one of 'em but can't find it on the PC.

  On 12/10/2010 at 18:48, Gilly said:

Dave what about one you used to play at Stafford and lucky me managed to obtain a copy,Rat Race.white label,hand written,he told me only 5 ever made.

Hi Gilly

Hope you two are in rude health. Yes he told me the same, dear old Gino he tried to sell me a cracked copy for $500, bless him

how about the perigents "love on a rampage" only ever seen the one wd copy, that belonged to dave greet

Would it be reasonable to assume lets say that we only know of issues for any record dont matter what, that there would be demo's of that record floating around. I can get my head around it being the other way around - only demo's known, then there would be a good chance of only demo's ever being cut, but to my way of thinking if there are issues then there has to be demo's.

Example; Eddie Parkers " I'm Gone" AWAKE white demo??

Obviously not all labels did "white" demo's they just printed "not for sale" or "plug side".......but most did.

Just as a side issue, i dont know of any Motown tunes that only reached a demo cut and was never released, they tended to just bin em' before they did anything........has to be a Frank Wilson issue or two knocking about??

Ive a white ABC demo of Nolan Porters If I could Only Be Sure with a press sheet and a lyric sheet.........are there many of these around?