boba Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 soul harmony singles lists the following record by the Dollettes that i've never seen: ABC 10627 - Believe it or not / I'm a lonely girl Manship guide 5 doesn't list it but strangely manship guide 2 lists it with a comment about it being poor sound quality. Does anybody have a copy of this? If so, any chance of a post in refosoul? is this record very rare or have I just been unlucky? thanks.
boba Posted September 26, 2010 Author Posted September 26, 2010 just to follow up, I found "believe it or not" in an Andy Rix mix in refosoul: https://www.soul-source.co.uk/more/soul-library/23711-various-andy-rix-session-5-sep-2000/ I'm confused because a) the sound quality sounds clear and b) it says that Dorothy Moore is lead and it's a version of the poppies. I thought Ella Thomas was lead of the group (it's definitely the same bay area group as on GD&L at least, E Thomas is credited on the ABC 45 I have). What's with the Dorothy Moore / Poppies thing? Thanks.
boba Posted September 26, 2010 Author Posted September 26, 2010 one more follow up, Allmusic.com gives a detailed story about the poppies and dorothy moore being a high school group from Jackson, MS. It seems doubtful that she was in the ABC group who I think were from the bay area. Maybe she was just previously in a group called "the dolletts" and somebody assumed it was the same group as on ABC?
Chalky Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 I have a sound file and that is credited to Dorothy Moore and the Dollettes. The Dollettes also backed Tommy Tate on his ABC rarity and the Derby's on Tommy (Tate) and The Derby's is supposed to be Dorothy Moore and the Dollettes.
Guest Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 Bob, The record itself credits DOROTHY MOORE and The DOLETTES. So look under MOORE for the price listing and record info. We have a STOCK copy of this at the moment and the side that counts for the Northern Soul collector " I'm A Lonely Girl" the sound quality is truly awful but it is completely Poppies in style. The inferior but also quite good b side "Believe It Or Not" plays perfectly There is no apperant connection with Ella THomas and the DOLLETTS to me. The E. Thomas in the writer credits refers to C. Thomas , E. Thomas and B. McRee who wrote many Poppies recordings including at least 4 on their EPIC album. the writing team of C. Thomas , E. Thomas (with or without B. McRee) turns up on many Northern Soul recordings. We are now starting to quote writer & producer credits on all our new website listings and these will be seachable in the new year whether they are in or out of stock" items for reference and cross-checking. Hope this helps lift your confusion John
Chalky Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 Hi John, The C. Thomas you refer to in the credits is also the writer of both sides of Tommy & The Derby's on Swing. Anyone got a sound file of I'm A Lonely Girl?
munchkinette Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 Hi John, The C. Thomas you refer to in the credits is also the writer of both sides of Tommy & The Derby's on Swing. Anyone got a sound file of I'm A Lonely Girl? hi chalky i have but am out of the country at the moment..... Kev S if you remember a fair few yrs ago i asked you the question if any one knew if they were all bad recordings....... the one i have is not good...Think it may have been on saoul talk??
boba Posted September 26, 2010 Author Posted September 26, 2010 Bob, The record itself credits DOROTHY MOORE and The DOLETTES. So look under MOORE for the price listing and record info. We have a STOCK copy of this at the moment and the side that counts for the Northern Soul collector " I'm A Lonely Girl" the sound quality is truly awful but it is completely Poppies in style. The inferior but also quite good b side "Believe It Or Not" plays perfectly There is no apperant connection with Ella THomas and the DOLLETTS to me. The E. Thomas in the writer credits refers to C. Thomas , E. Thomas and B. McRee who wrote many Poppies recordings including at least 4 on their EPIC album. the writing team of C. Thomas , E. Thomas (with or without B. McRee) turns up on many Northern Soul recordings. We are now starting to quote writer & producer credits on all our new website listings and these will be seachable in the new year whether they are in or out of stock" items for reference and cross-checking. Hope this helps lift your confusion John I asked Jeff Beckman and he also agreed with you, he sent me an extensive listing including another Tommy Tate and the Dolletts record on ABC and connected the group to Tommy and the Derbys and the Poppies also. Thanks a lot.
Chalky Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 I asked Jeff Beckman and he also agreed with you, he sent me an extensive listing including another Tommy Tate and the Dolletts record on ABC and connected the group to Tommy and the Derbys and the Poppies also. Thanks a lot. only seen the one Tommy Tate and Dolletts on ABC. Presume its What's The Matter/Ordinarily?
boba Posted September 26, 2010 Author Posted September 26, 2010 only seen the one Tommy Tate and Dolletts on ABC. Presume its What's The Matter/Ordinarily? yes, that is the record I was referring to.
boba Posted September 26, 2010 Author Posted September 26, 2010 Bob, The record itself credits DOROTHY MOORE and The DOLETTES. So look under MOORE for the price listing and record info. We have a STOCK copy of this at the moment and the side that counts for the Northern Soul collector " I'm A Lonely Girl" the sound quality is truly awful but it is completely Poppies in style. The inferior but also quite good b side "Believe It Or Not" plays perfectly There is no apperant connection with Ella THomas and the DOLLETTS to me. The E. Thomas in the writer credits refers to C. Thomas , E. Thomas and B. McRee who wrote many Poppies recordings including at least 4 on their EPIC album. the writing team of C. Thomas , E. Thomas (with or without B. McRee) turns up on many Northern Soul recordings. We are now starting to quote writer & producer credits on all our new website listings and these will be seachable in the new year whether they are in or out of stock" items for reference and cross-checking. Hope this helps lift your confusion John I couldn't find this on your site, did it sell since you posted? Thanks.
John Benson Posted September 26, 2010 Posted September 26, 2010 Here's a scan I did for a mate, of a review about this 45 some years back. I can't recall which mag it was from or even who did it! But no doubt someone will know! But it gives a bit of info about the 45 and also mentions the quality of the recording on one of the sides as mentioned by John. I also remember reading somewhere that Dorothy Moore stated she was not in the Dollettes! But I have to agree, it certainly sounds like her to my ears and along with the writer credits, it makes it hard to believe it's not her.
Guest Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 I couldn't find this on your site, did it sell since you posted? Thanks. Bob, Ref: Dorothy Moore - Is in stock unprocessed so not on the site, so I've just added it to the Rarest Of The Rare section for you to see and hear. We've sound-filed both sides for you so you can hear the flawed sound on the "important" side. I've never come across a copy that plays OK, it may exist but I've never had one. John
Guest Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 I couldn't find this on your site, did it sell since you posted? Thanks. Bob, Ref: Dorothy Moore - Is in stock unprocessed so not on the site, so I've just added it to the Rarest Of The Rare section for you to see and hear. We've sound-filed both sides for you so you can hear the flawed sound on the "important" side. I've never come across a copy that plays OK, it may exist but I've never had one. John
Dave Thorley Posted September 27, 2010 Posted September 27, 2010 Hi John Every copy I've heard is poor quality. Remember Richard Searling having this in the late 80's, he played it to me raving about the track, but said he could never play it out. Dave
boba Posted September 27, 2010 Author Posted September 27, 2010 Bob, Ref: Dorothy Moore - Is in stock unprocessed so not on the site, so I've just added it to the Rarest Of The Rare section for you to see and hear. We've sound-filed both sides for you so you can hear the flawed sound on the "important" side. I've never come across a copy that plays OK, it may exist but I've never had one. John thanks a lot
Andy Rix Posted September 28, 2010 Posted September 28, 2010 I have two Dollettes 45s on ABC ... the review above was written by me for Shades of Soul in the early 80s Small Talk ( doesn't bother me) ( Edward Thomas, Bob Mcree, Cliff Thomas) & Free From The Chains Of Love (Thomas - Thomas) ABC 10625 and the aforementioned ... Believe It or Not / I'm A Lonely Girl I've only seen issues and all have the same pressing fault As mentioned there is the Gloria Edwards version Andy
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