Hi again folks

I have just purchased this and to be honest I expected to pay a lot more than I did, putting my maximum bid at £40 and bagged it for £13.

Didn't really know what it was worth, but I am collecting US Motown/Tamla/Gordy/V.I.P/Soul demos at the moment, and i haven't seen one of these before.

The item is described as VG+ condition.

Thank you for any comments.

Steve

flip it over when you get it pure funk bros

Careful with this Steve, there is a very convincing counterfeit, if it doesn't have a stamped matrix number it's a bootleg

  On 05/09/2010 at 20:18, Pete S said:

Careful with this Steve, there is a very convincing counterfeit, if it doesn't have a stamped matrix number it's a bootleg

Thanks for that, can you tell me what I should be looking for when it comes please? Oh and what's the worth in both scenario's?

Thanks again.

Edited September 5, 201014 yr by steveluigi

A real ones worth between £75 & £100 Sorry Can't help with boots but at 13 quid I would guess that would be Ok!!

  On 05/09/2010 at 20:29, steveluigi said:

Thanks for that, can you tell me what I should be looking for when it comes please? Oh and what's the worth in both scenario's?

Thanks again.

If it's got a stamped in number and a proper Nashville matrix stamp, it's real, if it's got a scratched in number of any description, it's fake, still it's scarce now on that bootleg so you paid about the right price if it turns out to be the pressing

  On 05/09/2010 at 20:29, steveluigi said:

Thanks for that, can you tell me what I should be looking for when it comes please? Oh and what's the worth in both scenario's?

Thanks again.

If it is a boot (and it was booted on that V.I.P. design) it will have a pretty low qual paper label moulded on the vinyl, but the real giveaway is is pete says, no stamped matrix and after the scratched in number 2632-1 the word "boot"...... nice of 'em to do that when they pressed it!

steve

Craig Moerer sells the boots on that label design for $15

Just looked at manships Reissues book and it say's - Should have a Nashville or BJD matrix stamped in the runout groove . hope this helps. cheers Jim.

I got caught with aboot acouple of years ago bec ause It had less than aminute to go on ebay. Actually the paper was very good and convincing but like others say it was the scratched in matrix that gave it away.

If you look at the scan, at about 10 o clock you can see the matix No it looks scrached to me

After reading the above comments, I got in touch with the seller asking whether the matrix was stamped or scratched,

and he has replied saying that it is stamped in the dead wax.

So looking like an original and a bargain too. :-)

I'll see when it comes and keep you updated.

Steve

Edited September 7, 201014 yr by steveluigi

  On 06/09/2010 at 09:13, oldsoulgit said:

Just looked at manships Reissues book and it say's - Should have a Nashville or BJD matrix stamped in the runout groove . hope this helps. cheers Jim.

A bit late to this thread. Just remembered to dig out mine to have a check. Good shout on the BJD stamp. If mine's genuine (it has stamped SK4M - 2632 - 1), the BJD stamp is quite deep and very fancy letter design, like in calligraphy.

Good call too Toad. The flip, Something's Bothering You, is well worth a mellow spin.

  On 07/09/2010 at 16:14, steveluigi said:

I'll see when it comes and keep you updated.

Going by the picture alone, if I was a gambling man I'd put it ALL on being an original...the print quality and alignment is quite simply correct and superior to the bootleg. A good winning price for sure...though not an easy seller at the guide prices in my experience. The rarer variants seem to be the West Coast presses, especially with 'Take my hand' on the flip.

I have a picture of the Boys somewhere, though can't seem to locate it at present....damn...though after a quick poke on Google I've just spotted an Out Of The Past label bootleg of it which I haven't seen for a while!

  On 05/09/2010 at 19:51, steveluigi said:

Hi again folks

I have just purchased this and to be honest I expected to pay a lot more than I did, putting my maximum bid at £40 and bagged it for £13.

Didn't really know what it was worth, but I am collecting US Motown/Tamla/Gordy/V.I.P/Soul demos at the moment, and i haven't seen one of these before.

The item is described as VG+ condition.

Thank you for any comments.

Steve

Hi All this is the BOOT LACE ooops leg "you have to watch out mates, the dark nights will soon be here":D DAVE KIL

WHAT DO YOU THINK....WHAT AVE YOU DONE SONNY BOY? WAISYIN YOUR MONEY ON NORTHERN SOUL RECORDS....IT'SA MUGS GAME..IF YOU DON'T NO IT DON'T BY IT ...DtheDRUG©2009

Edited September 12, 201014 yr by dthedrug

Just an update on the above purchase.

I got it in the post and as far as i can see from the comments above it is an original.

The dead wax has stamped - SK4M--2687-1 BJD (in stamped script writing.)

Close to that is scratched - AC-LX 155104 and AC-II148301

The bad news (and good news) is that it came with a rim crack. If it's clicked together

it's plays perfectly without clicking whatsoever. I complained immediately and opened a 'Item not as described' case on Ebay,

and the seller immediately refunded my payment in full and told me to keep the record.

So what are your thoughts?

Steve

Edited September 18, 201014 yr by steveluigi

Whatever it is it doesn't get much better! Well Done That Man!!

Was this label design booted as well,this is mine which i picked up for $35 not so long ago. This is stamped SK4M - - 26 2- 1 - A . Also has Nasville Matrix mark. Also has AC - IT-148301 (i think it reads) scratched in,very tiny. ps..i think me scanner needs a clean

Edited September 18, 201014 yr by JMYTG

  On 18/09/2010 at 11:46, JMYTG said:

Was this label design booted as well,this is mine which i picked up for $35 not so long ago. This is stamped SK4M - - 26 2- 1 - A . Also has Nasville Matrix mark. Also has AC - IT-148301 (i think it reads) scratched in,very tiny. ps..i think me scanner needs a clean

If you look at the 'V.I.P.' logo, yours is different than mine and the others that are showing on here. yours is out of line? Also the are a few other differences, i.e. yours says 'DJ Promo' whereas the original ones say 'Promotional not for sale' and yours also has the matrix number at the bottom, the others don't. I'd be inclined to think that yours is a booty, Not sure, the experts will advise you shortly I'm sure.

Edited September 19, 201014 yr by steveluigi

  On 18/09/2010 at 11:46, JMYTG said:

Was this label design booted as well,this is mine which i picked up for $35 not so long ago. This is stamped SK4M - - 26 2- 1 - A . Also has Nasville Matrix mark. Also has AC - IT-148301 (i think it reads) scratched in,very tiny. ps..i think me scanner needs a clean

  On 19/09/2010 at 00:54, steveluigi said:

If you look at the 'V.I.P.' logo, yours is different than mine and the others that are showing on here. yours is out of line? Not sure, the experts will advise you shortly I'm sure.

Nothing wrong with the Staggered V.I.P. Logo, Simply a different Pressing Plant & not that easy to find.

Has all the STAMPED Matrix etc.

My copy has the Straight V.I.P. Logo.

  On 19/09/2010 at 00:58, 45cellar said:

Nothing wrong with the Staggered V.I.P. Logo, Simply a different Pressing Plant & not that easy to find.

Has all the STAMPED Matrix etc.

My copy has the Straight V.I.P. Logo.

Down the years , I have had five " straight " VIP labels , and one of the " staggered " ones .

At first I assumed the staggered one to be iffy , but found - as you state Roger - it to be via a different pressing

plant , and not easy to come across .

Malc

  On 19/09/2010 at 00:54, steveluigi said:

If you look at the 'V.I.P.' logo, yours is different than mine and the others that are showing on here. yours is out of line? Also the are a few other differences, i.e. yours says 'DJ Promo' whereas the original ones say 'Promotional not for sale' and yours also has the matrix number at the bottom, the others don't. I'd be inclined to think that yours is a booty, Not sure, the experts will advise you shortly I'm sure.

Thats deffo NOT a boot as pointed out,i wanted to know if it had been booted,

a bit of info here... https://jackdalton.co...jackdalton.html

and here... https://www.cherryred.co.uk/nowsounds/artists/colours.php

Edited September 19, 201014 yr by de-to

  On 19/09/2010 at 10:21, de-to said:

a bit of info here... https://jackdalton.co...jackdalton.html

and here... https://www.cherryred...sts/colours.php

Here is my copy. Both Sides have Rca Stamped S K 4 M Number & "ARP" Matrix on the Straight V.I.P. Logo

  On 19/09/2010 at 08:50, JMYTG said:

Thats deffo NOT a boot as pointed out,i wanted to know if it had been booted,

Never Booted On Staggered Print Label According To The Guide Books!!