Should Debate Be Allowed On Sales Posts?

[Pete S]

I refer you to this post

here's someone trying to sell a record but (at the time of writing this) there are two comments from other members about it.

You can look at this a couple of ways.

Firstly, that's wrong to comment on someone's price and possibly scupper his sales.

But secondly, it's letting people know that the same record is available regularly on ebay for less money and in better condition.

So really it could be seen as being in the interests of the site in general.

The seller os obviously going to be upset that people have commented negatively about his sales post, but other people may be glad that they may be able to get the record cheaper.

I don't think there's any solution to this really. I know I've wanted to comment hundreds of times after seeing massively overpriced records for sale or records in VG being offered for the price of a mint one, but I can't remember the last time I actually did.

Any thoughts?

(Changes are possibly in place for a radical reworking of the entire sales section).

[Reg Scott]

Potential nasty can of worms that one Pete..

I'd say in general no comments on pricing in the sellers post but when there is a clear mistake or piss take that's when comments could be admissable.

The nature and content of the comment would then need to be moderated - so back to you ultimately

ATB

Greg.

[Guest jkw]

I refer you to this post

here's someone trying to sell a record but (at the time of writing this) there are two comments from other members about it.

You can look at this a couple of ways.

Firstly, that's wrong to comment on someone's price and possibly scupper his sales.

But secondly, it's letting people know that the same record is available regularly on ebay for less money and in better condition.

So really it could be seen as being in the interests of the site in general.

The seller os obviously going to be upset that people have commented negatively about his sales post, but other people may be glad that they may be able to get the record cheaper.

I don't think there's any solution to this really. I know I've wanted to comment hundreds of times after seeing massively overpriced records for sale or records in VG being offered for the price of a mint one, but I can't remember the last time I actually did.

Any thoughts?

(Changes are possibly in place for a radical reworking of the entire sales section).

Both comments valid - they are on ebay in better nick and cheaper, I feel the seller is trying to insinute that perhapes the ones on the bay are not kosher, but they are. He needs to adjust his price acordingly...

[Cunnie]

Simple soloution really Pete.

If the seller don't want any comments they can lock the thread.

[Hermanthegerman]

As most collectors are quite able to research prices themselves I´d vote this a "no go". Prices I´m supposed to pay for a 45 in GB often differ a lot to the ebay prices anyway, and even prices on the sales forum sometimes have a wide range

[Dave Rimmer]

I refer you to this post

here's someone trying to sell a record but (at the time of writing this) there are two comments from other members about it.

You can look at this a couple of ways.

Firstly, that's wrong to comment on someone's price and possibly scupper his sales.

But secondly, it's letting people know that the same record is available regularly on ebay for less money and in better condition.

So really it could be seen as being in the interests of the site in general.

The seller os obviously going to be upset that people have commented negatively about his sales post, but other people may be glad that they may be able to get the record cheaper.

I don't think there's any solution to this really. I know I've wanted to comment hundreds of times after seeing massively overpriced records for sale or records in VG being offered for the price of a mint one, but I can't remember the last time I actually did.

Any thoughts?

(Changes are possibly in place for a radical reworking of the entire sales section).

I hardly ever comment on other people's sales, but bearing in mind there is a whole thread about this particular record, and my comment was perfectly correct and valid, do you really think people are not aware of the price, condition, and easy availability of the Ebay copies ?

[Pete S]

I hardly ever comment on other people's sales, but bearing in mind there is a whole thread about this particular record, and my comment was perfectly correct and valid, do you really think people are not aware of the price, condition, and easy availability of the Ebay copies ?

If they are, it contradicts you posting it though Dave, if they already know, why bother telling them again?

I'm not having a go, the opposite in fact, the more info the better I'm just asking if it should be done or not.

[Chalky]

as a general rule I say no comment but in the odd case a comment could be valid. Such cases could be if a price is wide of the mark by a fair bit or someone extracting the urine.

[Pete S]

as a general rule I say no comment but in the odd case a comment could be valid. Such cases could be if a price is wide of the mark by a fair bit or someone extracting the urine.

What did you think about tbis particular instance then Chalky?

[Kc Jr]

as a general rule I say no comment but in the odd case a comment could be valid. Such cases could be if a price is wide of the mark by a fair bit or someone extracting the urine.

Hi there,

any comments on my reply please?!

Cheers,

Chris

[Hermanthegerman]

Have seen prices for some records on here vary to up to 3x the cheapest asked price, so let everyone try his luck, the market sorts it anyway.

You see reduced prices every day in the sales section

[Guest woznotwos]

Hi there,

any comments on my reply please?!

Cheers,

Chris

.............and ive still had no-one offer me £1000 for bobby valentine yet!! its sold for that recently i believe......

[Chalky]

What did you think about tbis particular instance then Chalky?

I would agree with the comments already posted but I dunno if I would have said anything to be honest. I did read it before any comments were made. As said it is opening a can of worms.

I do think he was wide of the mark with his valuation. He does state he had expenses but that doesn't come into the price of a record really, we have all taken losses on records we spent a few bob on only for the value to drop as copies surface.

[Simsy]

Anyone who would be willing to pay 500 quid for a soul record is going to know that stuff anyway.

Seller said he consulted other threads and Popsike and came away with the price he did. For the condition of his copy, this wasn't really right.

As the others have said, we'd keep schtum if it was a bit ott, but psychedelically ott warrants a mention. We're not gagged chumps sitting on the fence here.

Edited September 2, 2010 by Simsy

[Md Records]

We've all been tempted to say what we really think..................................BUT You really are putting your head above the parapet to be shot at, if you're a record seller, and you've been criticising other people's prices. Same goes for D.J.'s that slag other D.J.'s sets, Promoters that slag off other events etc etc. I fully understand where Pete's coming from, with regards to sharing knowledge, but from a personal point of view I really, really, really try and avoid airing any negative points in someone's sales thread.

Des

[NEV]

Personally I think all posts in sales should be locked

[Hermanthegerman]

Anyone who would be willing to pay 500 quid for a soul record is going to that stuff anyway.

Seller said he consulted other threads and Popsike and came away with the price he did. For the condition of his copy, this wasn't really right.

As the others have said, we'd keep schtum if it was a bit ott, but psychedelically ott warrants a mention. We're not gagged chumps sitting on the fence here.

Was nosy and had a look myself, it was offered for 750 gbp in August- needless to say nobody bought it

[Tabs]

And playing Devils advocate.

What if a record was vastly under priced.

Would you tell the seller or snap it up?

[Baz Atkinson]

Chat on prices is and can be title tattle lol-one man/womens poison etc, there is no consistency at all re prices so people as mentioned paying big sums should know their stuff if not then bigger fool them-i always lock WANTS and if people start pissing about on my sales i lock that also - should the mods not move this to all about the soul as it will throw up some wider issue like prices market flucuations rarity etc -INFACT ALL THE USUAL BOLLOCKS LOL!!

BAZ A

[Simsy]

Was nosy and had a look myself, it was offered for 750 gbp in August- needless to say nobody bought it

Well there's a thread going about the dozens that have been through Ebay - all with the same pic!

I don't think Chris is a chancer, he said what he'd been through for his copy. However Chris if you'd scrutinized Popsike, I'm wondering where your middle ground figure came from? Bottom of a beer glass!

I'll say one thing Chris, it's a debate-worthy thread.

Normal practice, I'm with Des.

[Wiganer1]

to me its simples,,,,if it aint sold its too dear!!!

[Pete S]

Chat on prices is and can be title tattle lol-one man/womens poison etc, there is no consistency at all re prices so people as mentioned paying big sums should know their stuff if not then bigger fool them-i always lock WANTS and if people start pissing about on my sales i lock that also - should the mods not move this to all about the soul as it will throw up some wider issue like prices market flucuations rarity etc -INFACT ALL THE USUAL BOLLOCKS LOL!!

BAZ A

I'll move it if you think that's where it should be, but it wasn't really actually All About The Soul!

[Supercorsa]

Simple soloution really Pete.

If the seller don't want any comments they can lock the thread.

Agreed

If the seller wants £500 or whatever that's their business. If they get it, they get it. If they don't, they don't.

Easy solution is just to lock threads and then edit where sales have been made. Simples!

[Cunnie]

Think everyones forgetting - It's a forum.......

[Hermanthegerman]

You put my words in a nutshell! Thanks Mark

[Guest]

The guide price says 750... he wants 550..... ok so there are others cheaper (just by mentioning ebay in his ad he's inviting people to take a look)....

If he gets a sale at 550 is that a rip off just because someone has cheaper ones ?

As someone stated.....anyone paying that kinda money will do their homework....

[Baz Atkinson]

See what others think Pete could be worth a punt as all sorts of stuff will sping from it!!

I'll move it if you think that's where it should be, but it wasn't really actually All About The Soul!

[Chalky]

The guide price says 750... he wants 550..... ok so there are others cheaper (just by mentioning ebay in his ad he's inviting people to take a look)....

If he gets a sale at 550 is that a rip off just because someone has cheaper ones ?

As someone stated.....anyone paying that kinda money will do their homework....

price guides are just that a guide, they are not gospel. The guide was done before a few hundred surfaced via e-bay, which he apparently knows about.

But even if he didn't know maybe a quiet word via Pm would suffice to highlight that he is offering something in pounds what can be had in dollars on ebay?

[Dylan]

to me its simples,,,,if it aint sold its too dear!!!

or not very well known.

[pikeys dog]

Some of the prices quoted / asked for on here scare me...

[Guest]

I think we may have deviated from the question....I know I didn't answer it...... should comments on sales posts be allowed..... sure.....if they are constructive......

One technicality.... as a ''mint minus'' man I can't edit any posts after 60 minutes ... so if you lock sales threads I and others wouldn't be able to update any sales we had posted to advise what had been sold and what was still available or reduced in price .....

[paup-ine]

If people want to comment, thats up to them - enter the cage at your peril but

Give the guy a break.

he ain't gonna pull the wool over anyones eyes here. Like Mark said, too dear - no sale, simples.

P:)

[Mike]

the mint minus is a sort of buffer thing

reg sellers should have a solid email and solid id

all anyone has to do to get mint is pm with me em, eg a solid email and id

[Guest]

A RECORD / CAR OR HOUSE IS ONLY WORTH WHAT THE BUYER IS WILLING TO PAY

Edited September 2, 2010 by Guest

[Swifty]

I'm probably out my depth here but surely anybody can put whatever price they want on a record ?

who determines what it's worth , I agree if there are better copies known at half the price then surely

if somebody buys it they haven't done their homework and as somebody else has stated if you were prepared

to pay the asking price then you would think they know their stuff ? but I don't think you should comment on the price

someone is asking, at the end of the day it will sell or won't!

Cheers

Swifty

Off to bed !

[Guest]

I'm probably out my depth here but surely anybody can put whatever price they want on a record ?

who determines what it's worth , I agree if there are better copies known at half the price then surely

if somebody buys it they haven't done their homework and as somebody else has stated if you were prepared

to pay the asking price then you would think they know their stuff ? but I don't think you should comment on the price

someone is asking, at the end of the day it will sell or won't!

Cheers

Swifty

Off to bed !

WELL SAID AND GOODNIGHT

Edited September 2, 2010 by Guest

[Little-stevie]

or not very well known.

Or Shite....

[Prophonics 2029]

You have the Manship book of records, Popsike and the Soulsource rule of thumb. The sale price of the record on the page is a start but after a few Pm,s and trades what is seen on the cover is not really the whole deal

Its an open forum and unless you lock the page anyone can have a poke at you for your offerings, sounds like a Frankie Howard ditty.

[Guest]

I refer you to this post

here's someone trying to sell a record but (at the time of writing this) there are two comments from other members about it.

You can look at this a couple of ways.

Firstly, that's wrong to comment on someone's price and possibly scupper his sales.

But secondly, it's letting people know that the same record is available regularly on ebay for less money and in better condition.

So really it could be seen as being in the interests of the site in general.

The seller os obviously going to be upset that people have commented negatively about his sales post, but other people may be glad that they may be able to get the record cheaper.

I don't think there's any solution to this really. I know I've wanted to comment hundreds of times after seeing massively overpriced records for sale or records in VG being offered for the price of a mint one, but I can't remember the last time I actually did.

Any thoughts?

(Changes are possibly in place for a radical reworking of the entire sales section).

If i was selling somthing bang over the odds, I think I would defffo appreciate oppinions and being pointed in the right direction.

You can't get it right all the time when you buy or sell things can you.

Maybe a PM would be a bit more subtle and polite.

But as mentioned - this is a forum and unless you lock the thread you are inviting comments.

[pikeys dog]

Just seen a pretty common record come up on site for sale that IMO should be £30 tops (in fact I sold one for that in the last 12 months or so), yet the seller wants £80 for it.

I can't imagine that demand for it has gone up since (if not fallen to be honest).

Fcuking Mental.

[dthedrug]

I refer you to this post

here's someone trying to sell a record but (at the time of writing this) there are two comments from other members about it.

You can look at this a couple of ways.

Firstly, that's wrong to comment on someone's price and possibly scupper his sales.

But secondly, it's letting people know that the same record is available regularly on Ebay for less money and in better condition.

So really it could be seen as being in the interests of the site in general.

The seller os obviously going to be upset that people have commented negatively about his sales post, but other people may be glad that they may be able to get the record cheaper.

I don't think there's any solution to this really. I know I've wanted to comment hundreds of times after seeing massively overpriced records for sale or records in VG being offered for the price of a mint one, but I can't remember the last time I actually did.

Any thoughts?

(Changes are possibly in place for a radical reworking of the entire sales section).

Hi All PETE YOU HAVE TOUCHED ONE OF MY PET HATES AND I MEAN HATES, IT'S BOREING UNESCERY EGOTISTICAL RUBBISH AND ONE OF THE REASONS I STOPED SELLING RECORDS, I ONLY BUY FROM EBAY SO I CANT COMMENT ABOUT THAT SIDE OF THINGS, EXCEOT TO POINT OUT, THAT IF I WIN , THE SELLER HAS THE MONEY IN THERE BANK NORMALLY WITHIN 6 HOURS AS MOST OF THE PEOPLE I BUY FROM ARE DEALERS AND DON'T WANT TO WAIT WEEKS FOR THE CASH, ANOTHER PET HATE IS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SPENT £50 WITH YOU AND ASKS IF YOU CAN KEEP HOLD OF A PILE OF 45s WORTH £300 UNTIL NEXT TIME THEN 1 HOUR LATER HE IS BACK CHERY PICKING THE PILE AND PUTTING SOME BACK REQUESTING CAN HE TAKE THESE WITH HIM AND PAY NEXT TIME, I HAVE EVEN HAD SOMEONE BRING A RECORD BACK AND WANT A REFUND, THE MONEY GOES IN THE SKYROCKET AND OF HE GOES NOT ATTEMPTING TO PAY FOR THE RECORDS HE PUT TO ONE SIDE! AS HE HAS CASH TO BUY ANOTHER MUST HAVE RECORED, OF ANOTHER DEALER, THE BIG ONE IS THE BLOKE WHO CHEWING WRIGLEY'S HAS EYES LIKE POOL BALLS ASKING HOW MUCH IS CARL CARLTON WORTH ON KENT? WHILE MIXING UP THE BOXES, I HAVE A FEW STORIES THAT I COULD TELL ESPECIALLY WHEN RUNNING MICK SMITH STALL, YOU HAVE SEEN IT HERD IT ALL BEFORE, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEALERS THEY HARDLY GIVE LIP SERVICE TO SOME PEOPLE IN FACT IF THEY COULD THEY WOULD BAN OM, YOUR POINT PETE IS SO COMMON IT MAKES ME WANT TO PUNCH THEM RIGHT IN THE MOUTH:ph34r: DAVE

[Derek Pearson]

ClearVinyl "I'd say in general no comments on pricing in the sellers post but when there is a clear mistake or piss take that's when comments could be admissible".

Chalky "as a general rule I say no comment but in the odd case a comment could be valid. Such cases could be if a price is wide of the mark by a fair bit or someone extracting the urine".

Regalian "should comments on sales posts be allowed..... sure.....if they are constructive......"

As my solicitor would say who decides whether somebody is taking the piss or not and whether comments are constructive or not...

Simsy "We're not gagged chumps sitting on the fence here".

Cunnie "Think everyones forgetting - It's a forum......."

Correct . Soul Source is a live forum and anything posted up is in the public arena for all to view and discuss. And there's the key word discuss. Anybody that posts up on a live forum hopes to get positive replies but by the very nature of forums there's a chance that negative comments might come your way. That's the risk you take when posting on live forums - end of. Whether it is sound clips, photographs, events, threads or whatever. It's everybody's prerogative to reply be it good or bad if that's what they want.

We all like the benefits of free advertising our sales on forums but with that freedom comes the downside risk of somebody nibbling at you. Locked threads could be the answer but that's not the issue here. And if you invert this thread "Why wouldn't you want anybody to post a negative comment if that's the way they felt". That's the real issue here as I see it.

Soul.Inc "We've all been tempted to say what we really think..................................BUT you really are putting your head above the parapet to be shot at"

True. But that's always been the case and always will be.

Who was it that said "I don't like to hear what you're saying, but I'll always defend your right to say it".

Time for tea,

derek

[Guest aintgotit]

i must say having only recently started looking for wants, im so niaive about what would constitute a mint minus vs very good, after one well known collector queried the price i was goin to hand over one night at a venue with a formidable gentleman who was about to pocket double the records actual value. i realised canvassin several respected views is more prudent than expecting a divine intersetion. If you dont know what the range of prices are and cool off for a few minutes before buying , then chances are you ,ll probably regret it. Business is business , but it,d be a strange scene if no-one actually spoke up when judgement and fairness was becomin obscured by money.

[Chalky]

Chalky "as a general rule I say no comment but in the odd case a comment could be valid. Such cases could be if a price is wide of the mark by a fair bit or someone extracting the urine".

Regalian "should comments on sales posts be allowed..... sure.....if they are constructive......"

As my solicitor would say who decides whether somebody is taking the piss or not and whether comments are constructive or not...

derek

I would assume you are simply playing devils advocate here Derek but you know that anyone who has been around records for an x amount of years knows when someone is extracting the urine.

It's not hard to find a price, often it only needs five minutes or so to find a bench mark figure for a record. Yes there will be discrepancies but isn't there always in life? The difference here was the seller was fully aware of the record going through ebay on many occasions and I would assume the prices achieved yet still lists at a figure in £'s when it doesn't fetch what was asked in $'s.

[Guest SoulManJan]

Very interesting thread and one with already lots of good answers/comments.

The fact that you can close a thread (as a moderator pointed out) can nix any more comment and someone did say "what if they were selling too cheap?" Its all part of the rare soul collecting scene and the getting of wisdom is sometimes an expensive thing.

I think the comments should be more about the reputation of SoulSource list itself, so that is NOT seen promoting rip-offs, condoning miss information and/or attempting the reverse upon sellers. But then again if you have made it here you should also have some knowledge of what you're dealing with, though a mention of the current "going rate" based on popularity of an item would NOT be offensive, and outright knowledge of a fake or ensuing rip-off albeit proven and shared, would be protecting everyone's interests.

Hope these few words help in the discussion.

KTF, Jan

[Guest Bearsy]

if posting comments on sales are good or bad is ok then i agree, i would welcome any comments and even debate on my sales when i put them up, for me it may iron out a few wrinkles and then any potential buyer would feel they are getting a record at a price they could be happy with if i was willing to be flexible to any innaccuracies which i would be,

If im looking to buy then i would take in all comments and make me own mind up wether to buy or not,

the only comments i feel should be left out are wether someone not interested in buying the record posts that they think its a shite record etc etc, each to their own we all like something someone else dont.

unless of course the seller is trying to pull a fast one and make as much as possible and knowing that their price is way over the odds and hoping some mug buys a record from then then WHY would they not welcome any constructive comments on their sales

[Guest Bearsy]

Edited September 14, 2010 by Bearsy

[Guest Bogue]

Bearsy....do you want to borrow some tweezers to get the splinters outa your arse?

[Guest Bearsy]

Bearsy....do you want to borrow some tweezers to get the splinters outa your arse?

Its ok Bougues its made out of brick not me arse the fence

[Simsy]

Anybody that posts up on a live forum hopes to get positive replies but by the very nature of forums there's a chance that negative comments might come your way. That's the risk you take when posting on live forums - end of.

100% spot on there Derek.