Northern Soul In The Guardian

[Davemac3]

https://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/aug/21/northern-soul-soulboy-film

Interesting spotify playlist, the usual suspects with some more pop tunes apparently evolved from Northern Soul, although I can't see it (hear it?) in some cases

[Guest Brett F]

An interesting read, i must say i've no real interest in the film reviewed, and i wish to make no judgement on something i haven't seen, but as soon as i saw the headline photograph, my heart sank a little, it seems too me (i know this has been covered umpteen times on this forum) the 'Northern Soul Scene' will be forever tarred with this awful fashion, the vests , bags etc, yes i know the film is set in 1974, but its almost (to me) an anti-iconic image, its just the ugliest clothing, and so far removed from cool, that i feel myself cringe at the heinous fashion crimes of this era. What i'm getting at is that to the uneducated this 'look' is somehow still associated with the soul followers, i first went to soul venues very early 80's and only saw a handful of people dressed this way, and before i'm called a clothes fascist, i do agree people can dress any way they like. Its just the association that this somehow goes hand in hand with the music i love, because for me it couldn't be further removed.

Brett

[Mrtag]

Their sister paper (The Observer) did an editorial a few years ago........Great Jouurnalism....

Nice reading But it's supposed to be News!! not history

[Sean Hampsey]

An interesting read, i must say i've no real interest in the film reviewed, and i wish to make no judgement on something i haven't seen, but as soon as i saw the headline photograph, my heart sank a little, it seems too me (i know this has been covered umpteen times on this forum) the 'Northern Soul Scene' will be forever tarred with this awful fashion, the vests , bags etc, yes i know the film is set in 1974, but its almost (to me) an anti-iconic image, its just the ugliest clothing, and so far removed from cool, that i feel myself cringe at the heinous fashion crimes of this era. What i'm getting at is that to the uneducated this 'look' is somehow still associated with the soul followers, i first went to soul venues very early 80's and only saw a handful of people dressed this way, and before i'm called a clothes fascist, i do agree people can dress any way they like. Its just the association that this somehow goes hand in hand with the music i love, because for me it couldn't be further removed.

Brett

Coincidentally, Brett, I just read the article only minutes before seeing the thread on here... and had similar thoughts as yourself.

Its unfortunate that the media seem to associate the passion for Soul music in this country with the pop hysteria of the mid 70's and the 'Bay City Roller' style and 'fashion' of that time.

That most 'commercial' period in our history, Wigan and the fashion associated with that time were no more than a 'snapshot' on a 45 year timeline.

The time when 'underground' became 'mainstream' for a short while... and about as deep as most journalists are only able to venture.

Important and relevant, sure, but in no way absolute, as you well know.

Sean

[Pete S]

The following sentence is badly researched...the cameras came in in 1977 and the cash-ins had already been and gone by then

In 1974, Winstanley asked the Wigan crowd one night if a BBC crew should be allowed in to film them. The answer was a resounding "NO!", despite this being a time when appearing on TV was seen as an achievement. A year later, the Casino relented and allowed Granada's This England crew in. Big mistake. When the show aired, it switched on thousands of young Britons. Within weeks, record companies were issuing novelty records by made-up bands of sessioneers such as Wigan's Chosen Few, and hordes tried fruitlessly to gain entry.

[lds]

https://www.guardian....ul-soulboy-film

" By 1976, the regulars had moved on while a new generation - Bryan Ferry and David Bowie among them - turned their attention to the jazz-funk scene developing on Canvey Island."

Obviously being a Southerner, busy writing about the Jam for the NME, Paolo missed the Jazz Funk Scene at Rafters in Manchester and the Birmingham scene.

"For three years (1976-1979 according to Paolo, as the first 6Ts was Aug 1979), northern soul lay fallow until two diehards, Randy Cozens and Ady Croasdell started a northern night in London's Covent Garden called 6T's. "

Thank the Lord for the Southerners saving the scene!! My where would we have been without them.

Strange though, as I seem to recall Wigan going until 1981, Yate being very much alive and kicking not to mention the wonderful Cleethorpes pier allnighters, then there was Stafford once Wigan shut, and oh so many more.

Oh the re-writing of history. Paolo you really do need to investigate a little further north than Finchley.

"By now, mod fashions had been replaced by brogue shoes, flares,"

OK which one of you had slipped on some flares instead of bags, own up, " or is this another example of Paolo not quite getting his facts straight!

[Keithw]

https://www.guardian....ul-soulboy-film

" By 1976, the regulars had moved on while a new generation - Bryan Ferry and David Bowie among them - turned their attention to the jazz-funk scene developing on Canvey Island."

Obviously being a Southerner, busy writing about the Jam for the NME, Paolo missed the Jazz Funk Scene at Rafters in Manchester and the Birmingham scene.

"For three years (1976-1979 according to Paolo, as the first 6Ts was Aug 1979), northern soul lay fallow until two diehards, Randy Cozens and Ady Croasdell started a northern night in London's Covent Garden called 6T's. "

Thank the Lord for the Southerners saving the scene!! My where would we have been without them.

Strange though, as I seem to recall Wigan going until 1981, Yate being very much alive and kicking not to mention the wonderful Cleethorpes pier allnighters, then there was Stafford once Wigan shut, and oh so many more.

Oh the re-writing of history. Paolo you really do need to investigate a little further north than Finchley.

"By now, mod fashions had been replaced by brogue shoes, flares,"

OK which one of you had slipped on some flares instead of bags, own up, " or is this another example of Paolo not quite getting his facts straight!

spot on north west / midlands certainly has never stopped being available and fully serviced

[Rick Cooper]

I suppose this is going to be the start of another media blitz around northern as these films are going to be promoted and journalists have to to do a write up. As in the past many mistakes and generalisations will distort the truth but we will have to learn to live with this.

One of the constant facts that is always reported is that northern soul records were all failures. Paolo Hewitt picks on the Shrine ,Carnival and Topper labels as examples of labels that ''died on the vine''.Yet all these labels especially Carnival had many local hits and a few national chart records. This constant belittling of black american record labels of the 60's is so entrenched that it is accepted as gospel. Part of the fault for this is down to the usual experts who get interviewed write books and CD sleeve notes and want to appear as saviours for a bunch of '' failures''. Maybe it's time to give the music and artists more credit and stop calling them all failures when in reality from 63 to 68 Soul music was massive and hugely succesful.

Rick.

[Guest Mart B]

https://www.guardian....ul-soulboy-film

" By 1976, the regulars had moved on while a new generation - Bryan Ferry and David Bowie among them - turned their attention to the jazz-funk scene developing on Canvey Island."

Obviously being a Southerner, busy writing about the Jam for the NME, Paolo missed the Jazz Funk Scene at Rafters in Manchester and the Birmingham scene.

"For three years (1976-1979 according to Paolo, as the first 6Ts was Aug 1979), northern soul lay fallow until two diehards, Randy Cozens and Ady Croasdell started a northern night in London's Covent Garden called 6T's. "

Thank the Lord for the Southerners saving the scene!! My where would we have been without them.

Strange though, as I seem to recall Wigan going until 1981, Yate being very much alive and kicking not to mention the wonderful Cleethorpes pier allnighters, then there was Stafford once Wigan shut, and oh so many more.

Oh the re-writing of history. Paolo you really do need to investigate a little further north than Finchley.

"By now, mod fashions had been replaced by brogue shoes, flares,"

OK which one of you had slipped on some flares instead of bags, own up, " or is this another example of Paolo not quite getting his facts straight!

[lds]

Rick you may wish to consider posting this reply directly onto the Guardian website, as you say these distortions that are constantly trotted out are in danger of becoming regarded as the 'truth', and I for one believe it is important to keep countering the propaganda.

One of the constant facts that is always reported is that northern soul records were all failures. Paolo Hewitt picks on the Shrine ,Carnival and Topper labels as examples of labels that ''died on the vine''.Yet all these labels especially Carnival had many local hits and a few national chart records. This constant belittling of black american record labels of the 60's is so entrenched that it is accepted as gospel. Part of the fault for this is down to the usual experts who get interviewed write books and CD sleeve notes and want to appear as saviours for a bunch of '' failures''. Maybe it's time to give the music and artists more credit and stop calling them all failures when in reality from 63 to 68 Soul music was massive and hugely succesful.

Rick.

[Guest dundeedavie]

think yourselves lucky he didn't attribute northerns re-emergence to Paul Weller

[Guest]

think yourselves lucky he didn't attribute northerns re-emergence to Paul Weller

He is saving that for the next / follow up article ........

Malc

[Guest dave nowell]

He is saving that for the next / follow up article ........

Malc

This article is so full of inaccuracies and misconceptions it's laughable

we all know what they are................

but the best one is the "the Casino was struggling in 1973"................................

the place was rammed every weekend and was already doing lock-out soul nights and live shows inc Jimmy Ruffin, the Elgins, Chuck Berry, Demond Dekker (!) etc

I know coz my missus and others were there - way before the all-nighters started and a different crowd invaded the town

As you say, this is just the start of irritating "features" in the media

[lds]

We need Stuart Cosgrove to write them all, you can be sure then they would be, entertaining knowledgeable and accurate.

This article is so full of inaccuracies and misconceptions it's laughable

we all know what they are................

As you say, this is just the start of irritating "features" in the media

[Mick Howard]

So he got some facts wrong. This happens just about every time a 'journalist' tries to write the story. And who actually cares? Only those of us who are 'into' it - Mr & Mrs Normal don't give a flying f**k do they? We really shouldn't get wound up about it because we know the truth 'cos we've lived & breathed it - I'm 50 and only the first 16 of those 50 years were devoid of Northern Soul so f**k em....

Mick

[FrankM]

So he got some facts wrong. This happens just about every time a 'journalist' tries to write the story. And who actually cares? Only those of us who are 'into' it - Mr & Mrs Normal don't give a flying f**k do they? We really shouldn't get wound up about it because we know the truth 'cos we've lived & breathed it - I'm 50 and only the first 16 of those 50 years were devoid of Northern Soul so f**k em....

Mick

The Guardian always gets its pop history wrong. Then which paper doesn't get things wrong. Maybe we should complain to the PCC. The article appeared in the Guide magazine which is basically a TV guide with editorial copy supplementing the paid for adverts. The fim's plugged, the 60t's anniversary gets a mention and Russ Winstanley has another clipping demonstrating he's the Simon Scharma of the history of Northern Soul.

And who doesn't smile to see someone in a semmit and a pair of Oxford bags.

[Guest ScooterNik]

So he got some facts wrong. This happens just about every time a 'journalist' tries to write the story. And who actually cares? Only those of us who are 'into' it - Mr & Mrs Normal don't give a flying f**k do they? We really shouldn't get wound up about it because we know the truth 'cos we've lived & breathed it - I'm 50 and only the first 16 of those 50 years were devoid of Northern Soul so f**k em....

Mick

The difference is that Paullo is seen in some quarters as being the font of all knowledge when it comes to anything vaguelly relating to the mod scene and its descendents. Several (badly written in my experience) books behind him followed on from him having his head so far up Wellers backside it was laughable until the rumoured fall out with 'the modfather' led to him needing a new income source.

He should know better really.

[Steve G]

What page of Saturday's Guardian was this on please?

[Godzilla]

What page of Saturday's Guardian was this on please?

p6 in The Guide. The link in the first post takes you to the article

[ImberBoy]

Me thinks Pete Smith and ScooterNik have hit this smack on the button.

Paullo along with a slack handful have peppered the scootering scene with articles and comment based on pilfered memories and observations that have been viewed through a long range telescope that leaves many scratching heads with oil stained fingers.

The scooter scene mirrors very well the Northernsoul scene, Paullo's absence from the nitty gritty, grass roots, bum numbing, oily fingered, muddy fields, lean years makes him an unconvincing commentator.

Anecdotal history often sounds great but these are just fire side stories with as much observational comment as a day trippers grasp on a moment and the real story and the many connecting threads are lost in favor of an uncluttered package.

Paullo writes with a glass of some thing fizzy in one hand and a handful of "luvvies" in the other hand. There is as much substance and depth as a CD cover.

But what do we want from a sound bite?

[Steve G]

p6 in The Guide. The link in the first post takes you to the article

Thankx Godz

[Daved]

Yes, Paolo does come across as a pretentious twat.

[ImberBoy]

Yes, Paolo does come across as a pretentious twat.

That's what I was trying to say lol

[Liljimmycrank]

An interesting read, i must say i've no real interest in the film reviewed, and i wish to make no judgement on something i haven't seen, but as soon as i saw the headline photograph, my heart sank a little, it seems too me (i know this has been covered umpteen times on this forum) the 'Northern Soul Scene' will be forever tarred with this awful fashion, the vests , bags etc, yes i know the film is set in 1974, but its almost (to me) an anti-iconic image, its just the ugliest clothing, and so far removed from cool, that i feel myself cringe at the heinous fashion crimes of this era. What i'm getting at is that to the uneducated this 'look' is somehow still associated with the soul followers, i first went to soul venues very early 80's and only saw a handful of people dressed this way, and before i'm called a clothes fascist, i do agree people can dress any way they like. Its just the association that this somehow goes hand in hand with the music i love, because for me it couldn't be further removed.

Brett

Ey up Brett!

In part, i absolutely agree with you. But to be honest, this look is still what is associated with today's 'northern soul' scene dont you think. Plenty of people still wearing that today. Most of them usually (using the term loosely) attend northern soul classic nights. Something which to me, although a faction of what is widely considered a 'soul scene' isn't what represents today's music. Yes they have their place, but things have moved on.........try not to cringe too much mate, you'll start looking old(er)

Edited August 27, 2010 by LilJimmyCrank

[Mark Jones]

https://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/aug/21/northern-soul-soulboy-film

Last June, the 62-year-old American singer Nolan Porter flew into Britain to perform sell-out shows in Warwick and Oldham. Fans who revere Porter's two massive northern soul anthems, If I Could Only Be Sure and Keep On Keeping On, afforded the singer a rapturous welcome. Backed by Birmingham soul outfit the Stone Foundation, Porter was so taken aback by the response, he vowed to return to Britain as quickly as possible.

Next month a new British film, SoulBoy, starring Martin Compston, Alfie Allen and Felicity Jones opens. Directed by Shimmy Marcus, the film (set in 1974) is your everyday story of boy meeting girl and girl dragging boy into northern soul culture. It's a warm picture, fuelled by a fantastic soundtrack and some nice performances. Unfortunately, it's ruined by a very silly ending. Still, there's always photographer Elaine Constantine's debut feature film, Northern Soul, out in 2011, to look forward to. Constantine's deep knowledge of the scene promises to make it a major statement. Certainly, there's a sizable audience already in place for such celluloid offerings.

Every week, from Aberdeen to Brighton, people of all ages pour into northern soul clubs. The grandfather of them all, 6T's at London's 100 Club, has been running now for 31 years. Tellingly, some 6T's regulars appear in the video for Duffy's 2008 single Mercy. Many of Duffy's UK contemporaries from Amy Winehouse to Paloma Faith have looked to northern for inspiration, and it's a sound that's currently being mined by the altogether hipper likes of Janelle Mon¡e and Aloe Blacc. New musical subcultures come and go but northern soul seems to run forever.

The scene's roots lie in the mid-60s and a Manchester club called Twisted Wheel, the place mods would later name, "the chapel of soul". The club's DJ was Roger Eagle and his arrival could not have been timed better. London, formerly the home of soul, was awash with LSD and psychedelia and a generation of mods had nowhere to go and dance. Eagle's beautiful selection of soul music was the beacon that attracted them from all over the UK.

Northern soul's trademark dancing was also first witnessed at The Wheel. As the music of Ray Charles and Marvin Gaye filled the air, the beautifully dressed boys and girls would gather in circles before one of them would move into the middle to perform wild spins and floordrops. These dances were later perfected in other clubs and the unique and brilliant northern soul dance was born.

Like all great mods, Eagle was a snob, a purist. His mission was to play a wide musical vista that also took in blues and ska. This laudable approach would have worked had the majority of his crowd not been out of their minds on speed, demanding faster and faster music to dance to. Eagle gallantly resisted until bowing to the inevitable and moving to the Staxx Club on Fountain Street. Again, his timing was spot on: obscure soul music was now being demanded by the crowd and, thankfully, America was full of the stuff.

In the early-60s, Berry Gordy's meteoric rise to fame as founder of Motown Records had inspired thousands of entrepreneurs to start their own soul labels. However, despite producing some excellent records, these label bosses lacked Gordy's business acumen and struggled to find exposure. Labels, with names such as Shrine, Carnival and Topper died on the vine, leaving behind a small but fruitful musical legacy. It was that legacy which British soul DJs now began to cultivate, bringing in import after import to assuage the demands of their soul-hungry crowd. The result was beautiful: the most obscure American artist, a Little Ann say, or a Tommy Hunt, suddenly found themselves revered by thousands of British working-class kids.

With the departure of Eagle from the Twisted Wheel, the focus switched to clubs such as The Torch in Stoke, the Blackpool Mecca, and what would prove be to be the Wembley Stadium of northern soul, the Wigan Casino.

'We always knew who the undercover police were: they had big creases down their jeans which no one else would wear'

Photo of NORTHERN SOUL Photograph: Mick Gold/Redferns

In early 1973 the Casino was struggling badly so local DJ Russ Winstanley approached the Casino's manager Gerry Marshall and offered to stage a northern soul night. Marshall's dwindling bank balance forced his hand.

On 22 September 1973, 652 kids paid 75p and rushed into the hall to be greeted by the Sherrys' anthemic Put Your Arms Around Me. The Casino never looked back.

This famed venue was known for its maple sprung dancefloor and a balcony that circled it on three sides. There were record stalls placed strategically around the club with dealers selling seven-inch import singles at eye-watering prices. By now, mod fashions had been replaced by brogue shoes, flares, vests, tank tops, and much longer hair. The girls wore long skirts, which were handy for sashaying across the floor, and many brought holdalls containing talcum powder which would be sprinkled on the floor to make it easier to dance. With only soft drinks available at the bar, again amphetamines helped fuel the scene, keeping the faithful going through the night.

Some nights, undercover police would infiltrate the club. But, as Wigan regular and DJ Jo Wallis explains, fashion saved the day: "We always knew who they were because they had big creases down the front of their jeans which no one else would wear. We knew right away to warn the others." There was no trouble at the Casino, just the smell of Brut, sweat and soul assaulting your senses as the condensation dropped from the roof.

And for years this huge youth cult went unnoticed, stayed unreported. The rock music press had no use for the scene, nor did the national newspapers. Which was fine by the northern soulers; they didn't crave celebrity or attention. They loved the secrecy of it all; it gave them personal one-upmanship.

In 1974, Winstanley asked the Wigan crowd one night if a BBC crew should be allowed in to film them. The answer was a resounding "NO!", despite this being a time when appearing on TV was seen as an achievement. A year later, the Casino relented and allowed Granada's This England crew in. Big mistake. When the show aired, it switched on thousands of young Britons. Within weeks, record companies were issuing novelty records by made-up bands of sessioneers such as Wigan's Chosen Few, and hordes tried fruitlessly to gain entry.

By 1976, the regulars had moved on while a new generation - Bryan Ferry and David Bowie among them - turned their attention to the jazz-funk scene developing on Canvey Island. For three years, northern soul lay fallow until two diehards, Randy Cozens and Ady Croasdell started a northern night in London's Covent Garden called 6T's. The first night was a huge success. The club then moved around before settling at the 100 Club. It's still there today, making it the longest-running northern soul club in history.

In parallel, Croasdell started up the Kent label to issue great soul compilations, proof positive that the scene's canon contains some of the most exquisite music ever committed to vinyl, a fact picked up by many bands. In the 80s, Dexys Midnight Runners, the Jam and Soft Cell were the most obvious exemplars. In the 90s, after visiting the 100 Club one night, Noel Gallagher penned the brass-powered Oasis B-side Round Are Way.

Today, the soul spirit remains. "People see our band and ask, why have you not had more success?" says Neil Sheasby of the Stone Foundation. "But I tell them I've just made an album which Nolan Porter sings two songs on. That to me is success beyond belief."

The flame keeps burning.

[Guest]

l'm a Guardian reader but somehow missed this wonderful article...The Observer it's sister paper has also done articles on Northern Soul......but don't wish to be pedantic but it was 77 when the cameras came in....twice.....Once on a Saturday and then for the oldies...

If pedantic came into it Phil , I could select the statement from the article - " Big mistake. When the show aired, it switched on thousands of young Britons. Within weeks, record companies were issuing novelty records by made-up bands of sessioneers such as Wigan's Chosen Few, and hordes tried fruitlessly to gain entry " for argumentative debate and contemplation .

I sincerely doubt that the airing of " This England " had such an effect that the youth of Britain : it may have stirred the interest of some to " find " out more , but as to " switching " them on , please .......

As we know , the subject matter in The Guardian article is nothing new . The article is written by a newspaper scribe , who will have been delegated the job by their editor , possibly , possibly not , in respect of the recent publicity of / for " Soulboy " . The writer will have done research on the internet , and will have " customised " several previous articles to suit their own style for publication .

If we wanted to pull holes in the article for the means of being pedantic , we could start with the opening word , and be at it for weeks , reading between the lines , looking for the meaning or the message behind it .

Malc

Edited August 30, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Ady Croasdell]

And although Randy and I put on a great night and kick started the London Northern scene, we didn't exactly save the Northern scene double handedly: though my ego is tempted to claim it LOL

[Guest]

But it was 77 when the cameras came in wasn't it,Malc.. Switching them on.....No......The Casino was at it's height one or two years before..

The filmng at WC for what became the " TE " documentary , was done so over two nights in March 1977 : as to the exact dates for the nights , ask me one on sport ......

Malc

Edited August 30, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Guest]

And although Randy and I put on a great night and kick started the London Northern scene, we didn't exactly save the Northern scene double handedly: though my ego is tempted to claim it LOL

You are being too modest Ady .

If it had been Randy posting that reply , he would have

Malc

[Ady Croasdell]

I was just thinking that Malc; though he might have been a bit harsher on me than modest!

[dean jj]

https://www.guardian....ul-soulboy-film

Like all great mods, Eagle was a snob, a purist.

If Roger was still with us I doubt he would have taken kindly to being called a mod

[Pete S]

If pedantic came into it Phil , I could select the statement from the article - " Big mistake. When the show aired, it switched on thousands of young Britons. Within weeks, record companies were issuing novelty records by made-up bands of sessioneers such as Wigan's Chosen Few, and hordes tried fruitlessly to gain entry " for argumentative debate and contemplation .

I sincerely doubt that the airing of " This England " had such an effect that the youth of Britain : it may have stirred the interest of some to " find " out more , but as to " switching " them on , please .......

As we know , the subject matter in The Guardian article is nothing new . The article is written by a newspaper scribe , who will have been delegated the job by their editor , possibly , possibly not , in respect of the recent publicity of / for " Soulboy " . The writer will have done research on the internet , and will have " customised " several previous articles to suit their own style for publication .

If we wanted to pull holes in the article for the means of being pedantic , we could start with the opening word , and be at it for weeks , reading between the lines , looking for the meaning or the message behind it .

Malc

I went to the Casino almost every week of that particular year including the nights when filming was done and I don't think This England made any difference in attendances whatsoever, especially as it took a long time after filming for it to be shown anyway. Things that must have affected attendances came two years earlier, including the dreaded Wigans Ovation and Footsee on TOTP and a Radio 1 documentary on Northern Soul broadcast on a saturday or sunday afternoon (used to have this on tape, lost it)

[Guest in town Mikey]

A guy at work brought in the paper copy.

The sad thing is Katrina Dixon is still a sub editor there. I'm sure she could have done a very good piece.

[Guest]

I went to the Casino almost every week of that particular year including the nights when filming was done and I don't think This England made any difference in attendances whatsoever, especially as it took a long time after filming for it to be shown anyway. Things that must have affected attendances came two years earlier, including the dreaded Wigans Ovation and Footsee on TOTP and a Radio 1 documentary on Northern Soul broadcast on a saturday or sunday afternoon (used to have this on tape, lost it)

I vaguely remember the Radio 1 thing : Presented by either Peter Powell or Bruno Brookes ?

Malc

[Pete S]

I vaguely remember the Radio 1 thing : Presented by either Peter Powell or Bruno Brookes ?

Malc

No before their time Malc. I remember Love Trap being played. Interviews with Ginger & Eddie! And Tony Cummings I think.

[boba]

i read through the comments. did lots of people actually die of barbiturate overdose?

[Pete S]

i read through the comments. did lots of people actually die of barbiturate overdose?

A lot of people OD'd on them. I'm ashamed to say that I did, though that was away from the Allnighter scene.

[Guest]

No before their time Malc. I remember Love Trap being played. Interviews with Ginger & Eddie! And Tony Cummings I think.

You have got me then Pete .

Andy Peebles ? ...... or given his connection with NS , Tony Blackburn ?

Malc

[Pete S]

You have got me then Pete .

Andy Peebles ? ...... or given his connection with NS , Tony Blackburn ?

Malc

Could have been Andy Peebles - but not sure if he was working for the BBC then.

[Guest in town Mikey]

Complete shot in the dark.

Was John Peel there then? He often slipped in a Northern Soul tune along with his all sorts.

It was after then, but I have tapes somewhere of Janice long, and another with Mike Read doing small pieces. I think Guy may have been on the Janice one show. The Mike Read one, was about the time of Marvin Gaye's death, as I also have his tribute to Marvin, on the same tape.

[Pete S]

Complete shot in the dark.

Was John Peel there then? He often slipped in a Northern Soul tune along with his all sorts.

It was after then, but I have tapes somewhere of Janice long, and another with Mike Read doing small pieces. I think Guy may have been on the Janice one show. The Mike Read one, was about the time of Marvin Gaye's death, as I also have his tribute to Marvin, on the same tape.

He was, but it wasn't him. Kicking myself for losing the tape now, someone on here must have it. It was about 50 minutes long I think, they were interviewing at the Casino. I think they may have played Biddu's "Exodus" as an example of how new releases were being played on the scene.

[Dave Rimmer]

He was, but it wasn't him. Kicking myself for losing the tape now, someone on here must have it. It was about 50 minutes long I think, they were interviewing at the Casino. I think they may have played Biddu's "Exodus" as an example of how new releases were being played on the scene.

I'm sure i've still got that tape Pete but can't find anything at the moment because the house is a shambles. I'm having new central heating, including new rads and piping, so furniture is all over the place where it shouldn't be. I'll have a look next week, remind me by PM

[Pete S]

I'm sure i've still got that tape Pete but can't find anything at the moment because the house is a shambles. I'm having new central heating, including new rads and piping, so furniture is all over the place where it shouldn't be. I'll have a look next week, remind me by PM

Will do, thanks!

[Mike]

He was, but it wasn't him. Kicking myself for losing the tape now, someone on here must have it. It was about 50 minutes long I think, they were interviewing at the Casino. I think they may have played Biddu's "Exodus" as an example of how new releases were being played on the scene.

this has revived some lost braincells

was the who who song featured?

[Guest martyn]

this has revived some lost braincells

was the who who song featured?

Yes , it was used to demonstrate how fast some of the Northern sounds had become .

[Mike]

Yes , it was used to demonstrate how fast some of the Northern sounds had become .

ahhhh nice one

you got me dredging my brain cells now

i can almost remember the actual casette had it on, just out of reach

yeah, some more coming back now...

think they used biddu as a example of how the exclusive sort of aspect works

eg played both "exodus" and "northern dancer" and compared how one was played while his tailor made was shunned

hats off for reving some old forgotten memories

[Mike]

manchester evening news does a similar sort of thing

https://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1315763_the_soul_survivors

[ImberBoy]

manchester evening news does a similar sort of thing

https://menmedia.co.u..._soul_survivors

"That, you would think, would be that. But northern soul was the subculture that refused to die, kept alive by the original practitioners and rediscovered over and over again by subsequent generations"

Not too sure Russ read that bit?

I have nothing personal against him but he seams to have a lot to say about some thing he abandoned in 1981 and there never seams to be a nod towards those who weren't "the original practitioners" who actual did keep it alive.

[Guest]

“That, you would think, would be that. But northern soul was the subculture that refused to die, kept alive by the original practitioners and rediscovered over and over again by subsequent generations”

Not too sure Russ read that bit?

I have nothing personal against him but he seams to have a lot to say about some thing he abandoned in 1981 and there never seams to be a nod towards those who weren’t “the original practitioners” who actual did keep it alive.

Well said Simon

Some individuals will never give the trumpet to others to blow , when they believe that they wrote the music for it to be played to .......

Malc

Edited September 3, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Guest martyn]

ahhhh nice one

you got me dredging my brain cells now

i can almost remember the actual casette had it on, just out of reach

yeah, some more coming back now...

think they used biddu as a example of how the exclusive sort of aspect works

eg played both "exodus" and "northern dancer" and compared how one was played while his tailor made was shunned

hats off for reving some old forgotten memories

I would think it was broadcast in the summer of 75 but can't for the life of me remember who the main narrator was , I was wondering if it could have been 'Kid' Jensen ??

Edited September 3, 2010 by martyn