Two Bizarre Records I Just Got - Any Info Please?

[Pete S]

Obviously I know what the Mel Britt bootleg looks like; styrene, stamped ztsc number, white ring running around the outer edge. I just got a copy, stamped ztsc number, white ring around the label, but on VINYL. I have never, in the 34 years since this was pressed, seen a copy on vinyl - is it just me not looking or has anyone else got one. Not to be confused with the more recent pressings of course.

The second one is the usual UK ABC coupling of Bobby Hutton - Lend A Hand / Willie Hutch - Love runs out. At a glance, it looks kosher, but look closer and it looks like the labels have been done in paintshop, the typefaces are all wrong, the label is slightly too small and the matrix number is HUT 001. What the hell is this and where did it come from?

[Pete S]

Nobody???

[paup-ine]

Obviously I know what the Mel Britt bootleg looks like; styrene, stamped ztsc number, white ring running around the outer edge. I just got a copy, stamped ztsc number, white ring around the label, but on VINYL. I have never, in the 34 years since this was pressed, seen a copy on vinyl - is it just me not looking or has anyone else got one. Not to be confused with the more recent pressings of course.

The second one is the usual UK ABC coupling of Bobby Hutton - Lend A Hand / Willie Hutch - Love runs out. At a glance, it looks kosher, but look closer and it looks like the labels have been done in paintshop, the typefaces are all wrong, the label is slightly too small and the matrix number is HUT 001. What the hell is this and where did it come from?

Hi,

I know I am not much help, but just to compare. I did notice under the Cat. No: ABC 4206 in brackets yours says AMC. 4206A2) What does the other side look like?

P:)

Edited August 18, 2010 by paup-ine

[Pete S]

Hi,

I know I am not much help, but just to compare. I did notice under the Cat. No: ABC 4206 in brackets yours says AMC. 4206A2) What does the other side look like?

P:)

Exactly the same as the A side - same lettering etc. I reckon this might be a boot from the last 5 years or so

[Mick Holdsworth]

Obviously I know what the Mel Britt bootleg looks like; styrene, stamped ztsc number, white ring running around the outer edge. I just got a copy, stamped ztsc number, white ring around the label, but on VINYL. I have never, in the 34 years since this was pressed, seen a copy on vinyl - is it just me not looking or has anyone else got one. Not to be confused with the more recent pressings of course.

The second one is the usual UK ABC coupling of Bobby Hutton - Lend A Hand / Willie Hutch - Love runs out. At a glance, it looks kosher, but look closer and it looks like the labels have been done in paintshop, the typefaces are all wrong, the label is slightly too small and the matrix number is HUT 001. What the hell is this and where did it come from?

Pete

Dunno about the Mel Britt, but the ABC was around about 3 years ago.

Used to see them on eBay from the same place as the "Soul" copies of F Wilson / Originals / J Ruffin / G Knight etc - also White "Tamla" copies of "Love starved heart" (first and second generation) plus heaps of other boots.

Cant remember who it was now, someone obvious.

Cheers

Mick

[Davetay]

Obviously I know what the Mel Britt bootleg looks like; styrene, stamped ztsc number, white ring running around the outer edge. I just got a copy, stamped ztsc number, white ring around the label, but on VINYL. I have never, in the 34 years since this was pressed, seen a copy on vinyl - is it just me not looking or has anyone else got one. Not to be confused with the more recent pressings of course.

The second one is the usual UK ABC coupling of Bobby Hutton - Lend A Hand / Willie Hutch - Love runs out. At a glance, it looks kosher, but look closer and it looks like the labels have been done in paintshop, the typefaces are all wrong, the label is slightly too small and the matrix number is HUT 001. What the hell is this and where did it come from?

I am pretty sure that the 1st Mel Britt boots that came over where vinyl back end of 1975.

I remember a few people got caught out and payed at the time good money for them.

This was when Simon was selling them in one of his ad's and it was before the dealers had them (ie at a £1 or whatever in 1976)

Know idea about the ABC thing.

Dave.

[Pete S]

I am pretty sure that the 1st Mel Britt boots that came over where vinyl back end of 1975.

I remember a few people got caught out and payed at the time good money for them.

This was when Simon was selling them in one of his ad's and it was before the dealers had them (ie at a £1 or whatever in 1976)

Know idea about the ABC thing.

Dave.

That makes sense Dave, around the time of George Blackwell, kenny Smith, Dave Newman etc. Though the difference with this one, it doesn't have P.B. scratched in like the majority of those boots. But it is 100% definitely the same boot as the styrene one, with the heavy T on the ZTSC, identical - but on vinyl.

[Pete S]

Well seeing as nobody else has come forward with a vinyl copy, I think I'd best put this one on Ebay, might be someone's all time want

[Pete S]

Right, mystery solved. Mick Reed confirmed that he had a copy of this BEFORE the styrene bootleg appeared, in other words, this is one of the early counterfeits being sold out of L.A., before the styrene bootleg was made. They obviously used the same stampers to make the bootleg, except they did it at a different pressing plant (Monarch) and pressed it on styrene. So this is the very first bootleg/reissue.

[mischief]

Right, mystery solved. Mick Reed confirmed that he had a copy of this BEFORE the styrene bootleg appeared, in other words, this is one of the early counterfeits being sold out of L.A., before the styrene bootleg was made. They obviously used the same stampers to make the bootleg, except they did it at a different pressing plant (Monarch) and pressed it on styrene. So this is the very first bootleg/reissue.

Does that mean the Styrene ones are infact bootlegs of the Vinyl bootlegs!!!!

[Codfromderby]

i bought a copy of the bobby hutton/willie hutch thing off gemm a couple of years ago as a replacement for my old one, a reissue/ boot of a reissue ?

[Guest POTTERIESPECK]

HERE YA ARE PETE, MINES 30 odd YEARS OLD

Edited August 20, 2010 by POTTERIESPECK

[Pete S]

HERE YA ARE PETE, MINES 30 odd YEARS OLD

Yeah but thats the styrene one mate, thats the one everyones got

it's the vinyl one I'm on about