Our Company Is Looking For A Soul Expert

[Guest]

Hello All,

I'm looking for someone who really knows soul to source samples for our company.

We have worked in the audio industry for over 10 years in various capacities and currently we are shopping instrumental Hip Hop tracks through our attorney (he represents some of the biggest names in the business) to top artists and labels. Things are going well, however, some of these labels are requesting "sampled songs". These are very large clients and we don't want to disappoint them, but our skills lie in composing new tracks (not sampling any material).

I know that some of you may not like the idea of sampling, and quite honestly neither do we (we would much rather compose a track from scratch - it's also more profitable for us to write the whole thing), but many of today's top billboard songs are sampled. The sampled song owner must agree to the usage and they receive a large cut of the profit. I'm not trying to offend anyone with this post, but I have to do what my client wants, or someone else will.

Anyways, we are hoping to find someone who would be interested in continually sourcing tracks which we will refine and then shop. Obviously you would be entitled to a percentage of profit for your work and expertise.

If you are interested please email me at jen@zoomentertainment.ca

Thanks

Jen

[Simsy]

Tell us about the sampled tracks.

[Guest]

Hello All,

I'm looking for someone who really knows soul to source samples for our company.

We have worked in the audio industry for over 10 years in various capacities and currently we are shopping instrumental Hip Hop tracks through our attorney (he represents some of the biggest names in the business) to top artists and labels.  Things are going well, however, some of these labels are requesting "sampled songs".  These are very large clients and we don't want to disappoint them, but our skills lie in composing new tracks (not sampling any material).

I know that some of you may not like the idea of sampling, and quite honestly neither do we (we would much rather compose a track from scratch - it's also more profitable for us to write the whole thing), but many of today's top billboard songs are sampled.  The sampled song owner must agree to the usage and they receive a large cut of the profit.  I'm not trying to offend anyone with this post, but I have to do what my client wants, or someone else will.

Anyways, we are hoping to find someone who would be interested in continually sourcing tracks which we will refine and then shop.  Obviously you would be entitled to a percentage of profit for your work and expertise.

If you are interested please email me at jen@zoomentertainment.ca

Thanks

Jen

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Nothing personal but i hope you get no help (but it's nailed on that you will)

[Guest dodger]

Nothing personal but i hope you get no help (but it's nailed on that you will)

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Why do you hope they get no help? What a bizarre attitude some of you guys have at times. What's wrong with an artist who wrote an old record getting further income if a new artist wants to sample their work and make a hit from it. Far as I can see it's a win-win situation all round if it's all legal, legitimate and above board. I remember having a conversation with Bunny Sigler when he was over for the Hilton Weekend and he told me he made nearly a million dollars via a tune that Nelly & Kelly had out.

I'm sure though, if somebody had contacted Bunny and told him it was sacrilege to the original version to allow his work to be sampled and he'd have to forego a big wedge in order to satisfy the mentality of some middle aged English northern soul collector he'd have gone along with it!!

Roger

[Guest]

Why do you hope they get no help?  What a bizarre attitude some of you guys have at times. What's wrong with an artist who wrote an old record getting further income if a new artist wants to sample their work and make a hit from it.  Far as I can see it's a win-win situation all round if it's all legal, legitimate and above board.  I remember having a conversation with Bunny Sigler when he was over for the Hilton Weekend and he told me he made nearly a million dollars via a tune that Nelly & Kelly had out.

I'm sure though, if somebody had contacted Bunny and told him it was sacrilege to the original version to allow his work to be sampled and he'd have to forego a big wedge in order to satisfy the mentality of some middle aged English northern soul collector he'd have gone along with it!!     

Roger

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In hindsight, your points are valid, we all go to work to earn a wedge, just the watering down of the product can sometimes lessen the impact of the original composistion. But i can fully and throughly appreciate any living artist making a few quid from this.............Hell i can more than recommend some tracks.

Total U-Turn from me then, just like Blair.........

( See..... i can listen and then step back and appreciate another viewpoint , wish others could )

Jesus...i am middle aged.......

Edited August 6, 2005 by Brett

[Guest Bearsoul]

Hello All,

I'm looking for someone who really knows soul to source samples for our company.

We have worked in the audio industry for over 10 years in various capacities and currently we are shopping instrumental Hip Hop tracks through our attorney (he represents some of the biggest names in the business) to top artists and labels.  Things are going well, however, some of these labels are requesting "sampled songs".  These are very large clients and we don't want to disappoint them, but our skills lie in composing new tracks (not sampling any material).

I know that some of you may not like the idea of sampling, and quite honestly neither do we (we would much rather compose a track from scratch - it's also more profitable for us to write the whole thing), but many of today's top billboard songs are sampled.  The sampled song owner must agree to the usage and they receive a large cut of the profit.  I'm not trying to offend anyone with this post, but I have to do what my client wants, or someone else will.

Anyways, we are hoping to find someone who would be interested in continually sourcing tracks which we will refine and then shop.  Obviously you would be entitled to a percentage of profit for your work and expertise.

If you are interested please email me at jen@zoomentertainment.ca

Thanks

Jen

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I COULD RECCOMEND 'ANDY MADHATTER' CONTACT VIA 'VOXPOP RECORDS' ON THE NET.

[Guest]

Thanks everyone for your input.

Ian - not sure I understand your question? If you could clarify I'd be more than happy to answer.

And bearsoul - thanks for the recommendation!

And again if anyone can offer any assistance in this, no matter how small, please feel free to contact me at jen@zoomentertainment.ca

Jen

[mischief]

Is this a bit like the script from "Blue Juice" (Edwin Starr) Film

[Guest]

Why do you hope they get no help?  What a bizarre attitude some of you guys have at times. What's wrong with an artist who wrote an old record getting further income if a new artist wants to sample their work and make a hit from it.  Far as I can see it's a win-win situation all round if it's all legal, legitimate and above board.  I remember having a conversation with Bunny Sigler when he was over for the Hilton Weekend and he told me he made nearly a million dollars via a tune that Nelly & Kelly had out.

I'm sure though, if somebody had contacted Bunny and told him it was sacrilege to the original version to allow his work to be sampled and he'd have to forego a big wedge in order to satisfy the mentality of some middle aged English northern soul collector he'd have gone along with it!!     

Roger

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You are dead right. Why shouldn't these artists kake some wonga from their work - as long as they agree and aren't being ripped off that's a good thing. Invariably black artists were ripped off back in the day.

I don't run with the argument that sampling "duilutes" the original. Sure some tracks using samples of top class old soul tunes are rubbish. But tracks using samples can breath new life into old sould tracks and open them up to a wider audience.

I consider myself a soulie - tho not to the obsessive levels of many of the folk on this forum tho. I dj regularly and play old soul, funk, jazz (70% of my collection) and also modern electronic dance music, much of which has its roots in soul.

Most of my dj mates play modern dance music - not the rubbish you hear in most clubs or on the radio. It's underground stuff on obscure little labels that you can only get in specialist shops - (sounds familiar?). When I play the originals of the sampled tracks that are out and about they my mates get educated and some of tehm even start to but a bit of soul.

I don't understand this near autistic "purist" view that only unadultarated, rare old northern tracks constitute soul musici worth listening to. There are only two sorts of music - good music (usually with soul) and bad music.

There's plently of music out there with soul that isn't northern - disco, house, there's even non vocal techno that clealry has soul and funk in it. When you first hear it you might not believe it but its just a question of being open minded and giving your ears the chance to "learn" the new sounds.

The first sip of Guiness always tastes too bitter to me but by I've had a couple more sips I'm loving it. I had to teach myself to like olives and now I can't get enough of them.

Cheers

Ravi

[Guest]

You are dead right. Why shouldn't these artists kake some wonga from their work - as long as they agree and aren't being ripped off that's a good thing. Invariably black artists were ripped off back in the day.

I don't run with the argument that sampling "duilutes" the original. Sure some tracks using samples of top class old soul tunes are rubbish. But tracks using samples can breath new life into old sould tracks and open them up to a wider audience.

I consider myself a soulie - tho not to the obsessive levels of many of the folk on this forum tho. I dj regularly and play old soul, funk, jazz (70% of my collection) and also modern electronic dance music, much of which has its roots in soul.

Most of my dj mates play modern dance music - not the rubbish you hear in most clubs or on the radio. It's underground stuff on obscure little labels that you can only get in specialist shops - (sounds familiar?). When I play the originals of the sampled tracks that are out and about they my mates get educated and some of tehm even start to but a bit of soul.

I don't understand this near autistic "purist" view that only unadultarated, rare old northern tracks constitute soul musici worth listening to. There are only two sorts of music - good music (usually with soul) and bad music.

There's plently of music out there with soul that isn't northern - disco, house, there's even non vocal techno that clealry has soul and funk in it. When you first hear it you might not believe it but its just a question of being open minded and giving your ears the chance to "learn" the new sounds.

The first sip of Guiness always tastes too bitter to me but by I've had a couple more sips I'm loving it. I had to teach myself to like olives and now I can't get enough of them.

Cheers

Ravi

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I guess the issue of "Diluting" tracks is directed at me and also the "Autistic Purist" view. Like i earlier posted i am in full agreement with any of the Soul artists making money today from long since recorded tracks, but i do draw a line that almost any attempt to re work today, a song from over 30/40 years is going to be in any way shape or form superior (but i would say that, 99% of my record collection is from the 60's and 70's). Another issue i have is that a helluva lot of these 45's we cherish were the product of mom & pop outlets, so i imagine even giving royalties would require Sherlock Holmes like detective work and almost prove futile, this is where i believe the ethic of the "Samplers" would be tested (or it's financial backer). In a Utopian world the resulting project would result in the original artist recieving his long overdue monetary reward.............

But you know what...i'm cynical and i like my soul as it is..........Untainted.

Brett

Edited August 7, 2005 by Brett

[Guest]

I guess the issue of "Diluting" tracks is directed at me and also the "Autistic Purist" view. Like i earlier posted i am in full agreement with any of the Soul artists making money today from long since recorded tracks, but i do draw a line that almost any attempt to re work today, a song from over 30/40 years is going to be in any way shape or form superior (but i would say that, 99% of my record collection is from the 60's and 70's). Another issue i have is that a helluva lot of these 45's we cherish were the product of mom & pop outlets, so i imagine even giving royalties would require Sherlock Holmes like detective work and almost prove futile, this is where i believe the ethic of the "Samplers" would be tested (or it's financial backer). In a Utopian world the resulting project would result in the original artist recieving his long overdue monetary reward.............

But you know what...i'm cynical and i like my soul as it is..........Untainted.

Brett

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I've realise my "autistic purist" comment may offend - I hope not it was it was meant tongue in cheek. I'm pleased that such purists exixt - they are the archivists of this great music and make it possible for others have access to the knowledge.

Tracks using samples don't necessarily "rework" old stuff. The samples are jsut a part of the new track. Lots of new stuff that uses samples is also a respecrtful nod back to these great old tracks. That said, samples are often used indiscriminately in some real rubbish. If sampling is seen as a tool in creating a new track rather than the end in itself some great stuff new music can be produced.

As to liking your soul "untainted" there's nowt long with knowing what you like but sometimes it's good to try summat different. I have favourite wines, beers and foods but I do try to sample (no pun intended) other products as sometimes I can be quite surprised.

[Jordirip]

Hello All,

I'm looking for someone who really knows soul to source samples for our company.

We have worked in the audio industry for over 10 years in various capacities and currently we are shopping instrumental Hip Hop tracks through our attorney (he represents some of the biggest names in the business) to top artists and labels.  Things are going well, however, some of these labels are requesting "sampled songs".  These are very large clients and we don't want to disappoint them, but our skills lie in composing new tracks (not sampling any material).

I know that some of you may not like the idea of sampling, and quite honestly neither do we (we would much rather compose a track from scratch - it's also more profitable for us to write the whole thing), but many of today's top billboard songs are sampled.  The sampled song owner must agree to the usage and they receive a large cut of the profit.  I'm not trying to offend anyone with this post, but I have to do what my client wants, or someone else will.

Anyways, we are hoping to find someone who would be interested in continually sourcing tracks which we will refine and then shop.  Obviously you would be entitled to a percentage of profit for your work and expertise.

If you are interested please email me at jen@zoomentertainment.ca

Thanks

Jen

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I think someone needs to dig out and educate with some nice clever samples. If I hear "Nights over Egypt", "Rising to the Top" or Curtis' "You're so good to me" on yet another shite R n' B dirge with a shit for brains "rap"......!! People who produce these things arguably have less creativity than people who produce original music (although samples can be a very creative tool) but to keep using samples that other people have used over and over again is piss weak and boring.

Right where's my James Brown records.

Jordi

[Platters 81]

wasnt Ion in "Blue Juice"........im sure i spotted him....

Edited August 8, 2005 by platters 81

[Simsy]

wasnt Ion in "Blue Juice"........im sure i spotted him....

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[SteveM]

I guess the issue of "Diluting" tracks is directed at me and also the "Autistic Purist" view. Like i earlier posted i am in full agreement with any of the Soul artists making money today from long since recorded tracks, but i do draw a line that almost any attempt to re work today, a song from over 30/40 years is going to be in any way shape or form superior (but i would say that, 99% of my record collection is from the 60's and 70's). Another issue i have is that a helluva lot of these 45's we cherish were the product of mom & pop outlets, so i imagine even giving royalties would require Sherlock Holmes like detective work and almost prove futile, this is where i believe the ethic of the "Samplers" would be tested (or it's financial backer). In a Utopian world the resulting project would result in the original artist recieving his long overdue monetary reward.............

But you know what...i'm cynical and i like my soul as it is..........Untainted.

Brett

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You middle aged people are all the same

[Guest lolmil]

can't see what all the fuss is about, how many on here are always going on about the same track by different artists and one is always better than the other. Who knows, it could even generate a new age group of people into the strange world of northern soul!!!!!!!!

[jasonion]

The first sip of Guiness always tastes too bitter to me but by I've had a couple more sips I'm loving it. I had to teach myself to like olives and now I can't get enough of them.

Cheers

Ravi

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I just hope, for your sake, Popeye doesn't find out.

[Guest Marcelle]

In hindsight, your points are valid, we all go to work to earn a wedge, just the watering down of the product can sometimes lessen the impact of the original composistion. But i can fully and throughly appreciate any living artist making a few quid from this.............Hell i can more than recommend some tracks.

Total U-Turn from me then, just like Blair.........

( See..... i can listen and then step back and appreciate another viewpoint , wish others could )

Jesus...i am middle aged.......

link

No Brett not middle aged "just not a youngster anymore" LOL

on a serious note I wish them well .. for all the the above reasons, but also if they can "put" together new sounds taken from old sounds does this not then widen the audience of old sounds to a "new young" croud ... who if this "old" croud is anything to go by will research where the original comes from ... and we all know what chasing a original "sound" is like OBSESSIVE ...

Marcelle

[timthemod]

I can't understand why people want to keep this great music a secret!! I don't always like the sampled tracks, but it does get the music out there to a wider audience. Not that I play it out much, but it's amazing to see the affect of 'Sliced Tomatoes' on a general audience, always gets the dancefloor going. All music is rehashed ideas in some form or another, most of the decent sampled tracks are used as a basis for new tracks and aren't just cover versions, unlike that recent awful version of ' Heartache Avenue'. I remember in the late 80's when samples were being used completely illegally and the copyright organisations had a nightmare trying to track down what was being used, loads of songs had there royalties on hold while the interested parties slogged it out with lawyers.

TTM