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[Guest]

I have a legit copy of Johnny Hamilton / Oh How I Love You - Horaces white label test press

is this ok to play out?

it is posted in another thread but as I have not recieved any answers thought it best to give it its own thread

TIA

regards,

mike

Edited July 24, 2010 by mikecook

[Pete S]

I have a legit copy of Johnny Hamilton / Oh How I Love You - Horaces white label test press

is this ok to play out?

Why, do you think you might be arrested if it's on the wrong label or something?

I'd play it if it was on Pye Disco Demand.

[Guest]

Why, do you think you might be arrested if it's on the wrong label or something?

I'd play it if it was on Pye Disco Demand.

i keep getting told that they need to be on orig format Pete or in danger of not getting asked to do spots. the thing is, i only play about twice a year and thats plenty enough for me BUT..... with all the crap spouted about which format is and isn't allowed i have tried to adhere to the new rules & i am asking because i dont know what the rules are ...... they can change from minute to minute

one dj told me it MUST be the first issue ..... even if it is a legit second release it cannot be played at a venue (this is the rule he sets out for the nights he promotes). then we have another dj (who plays at said promoters events) saying that he will play any release as long as it is a legit release

all i want to know is ..... does my copy of Little Johnny Hamilton fit the criteria of acceptance to be played out?

i'm not being funny ...... if these rules are expressed continually, i think i have a right to ask what the rules are with this legit test press and hope somebody will be able to give me an answer

p.s. i would also like to find out the value but that is not so important as the above question

[Prophonics 2029]

In a DJ spot of an hour you get 20 records or so to play, out of that 20 so why play 2nd issues or re- issues, the Northern scene has plenty of records to choose from? plenty

Edited July 24, 2010 by Prophonics 2029

[Premium Stuff]

In a DJ spot of an hour you get 20 records or so to play, out of that 20 so why play 2nd issues or re- issues, the Northern scene has plenty of records to choose from? plenty

Agree totally - why play a 2nd issue? - anyone can do that

Decent DJs have the real deal 45s which is what it's all about in my opinion

Plus, if you only play out a couple of times a year then that really underlines the point that you don't need to look at 2nd issues at all - as you only have 40 or 50 records to find for a whole year of DJing

Why not just pick something else to play - or buy the one for sale on here at the moment?

Hope this helps

Cheers

Richard

Edited July 24, 2010 by Premium Stuff

[Jimmy A]

I have a legit copy of Johnny Hamilton / Oh How I Love You - Horaces white label test press

is this ok to play out?

it is posted in another thread but as I have not recieved any answers thought it best to give it its own thread

TIA

regards,

mike

Get a dj spot at a Nottingham soul venue...99% of um dont give a S**T what a 45 is played on

[KevH]

Get a dj spot at a Nottingham soul venue...99% of um dont give a S**T what a 45 is played on

Amen to that my ginger friend.......

[Dave Pinch]

IN THE SOUL POLICE MANUEL ITS TOTALLY ILLEGAL I``M AFRAID MIKE.....................................

LOL

DAVE

[KevH]

I have a legit copy of Johnny Hamilton / Oh How I Love You - Horaces white label test press

is this ok to play out?

it is posted in another thread but as I have not recieved any answers thought it best to give it its own thread

TIA

regards,

mike

I've had a similar dilemma with my UK copy of Chuck Cockerham Mike.I usually play that at home with the curtains drawn.We can't afford real ones.

[Guest]

In a DJ spot of an hour you get 20 records or so to play, out of that 20 so why play 2nd issues or re- issues, the Northern scene has plenty of records to choose from? plenty

not really interested in getting into the ins-and-outs of the whys-and-whats etc ..... just looking for an answer to my question thanks

[Guest]

IN THE SOUL POLICE MANUEL ITS TOTALLY ILLEGAL I``M AFRAID MIKE.....................................

LOL

DAVE

that's the type of answer i was looking for

thank you for all those who took the time to reply

regards,

mike

[Jimmy A]

Just for the record I know of two well respected DJ's that have played BOOTS out. They dont get questioned because of who they are. Us minor DJ's will always be under the microscope .

[Premium Stuff]

not really interested in getting into the ins-and-outs of the whys-and-whats etc ..... just looking for an answer to my question thanks

Sorry Mike - I should have just said NO not OK to play out in my book

Cheers

Richard

[funkyfeet]

Totally depend what the record is, no one would bat an eye if you played Darrel Banks on London, over the US original just one example were rules would go out of the window.

Edited July 24, 2010 by funkyfeet

[Pete S]

The problem I've got with this topic is not whether Mike plays his Johnny Hamilton 45 or not, but that he has to seek some sort of permission to do so from a bunch of f*ckwits on an internet site who think they make up all the rules.

[Russ Vickers]

The problem I've got with this topic is not whether Mike plays his Johnny Hamilton 45 or not, but that he has to seek some sort of permission to do so from a bunch of f*ckwits on an internet site who think they make up all the rules.

I think you'll find Mike is doin' a bit of fishing.......... no major bites as yet........waiting for the big un .

Best Russ

[KevH]

The problem I've got with this topic is not whether Mike plays his Johnny Hamilton 45 or not, but that he has to seek some sort of permission to do so from a bunch of f*ckwits on an internet site who think they make up all the rules.

So is that a yes Pete..?

[Prophonics 2029]

not really interested in getting into the ins-and-outs of the whys-and-whats etc ..... just looking for an answer to my question thanks

Ok NO unless it was a different take, I had a copy of both of these record and preferred the Dore mix to the Kent one if only that the difference was in the press and not from the master tapes.

Edited July 24, 2010 by Prophonics 2029

[Premium Stuff]

The problem I've got with this topic is not whether Mike plays his Johnny Hamilton 45 or not, but that he has to seek some sort of permission to do so from a bunch of f*ckwits on an internet site who think they make up all the rules.

Errrmmm - thanks for that Pete

The thread was asking for opinions on what is always a hot issue - I just voiced my opinion, as you did yours

Richard

Edited July 24, 2010 by Premium Stuff

[Rob Wigley]

I have a legit copy of Johnny Hamilton / Oh How I Love You - Horaces white label test press

is this ok to play out?

it is posted in another thread but as I have not recieved any answers thought it best to give it its own thread

TIA

regards,

mike

Mike

its nice to play off all original-something I've always done-but its entirely up to you what you do

#

HOWEVER--if you and I were DJing at the same club/ night and I was following you and LJH was the biggest oldie in the country--

I'd be seriously pissed off if you deprived me of playing the original by playing a 2nd issue

i saw it done recently with Jackie day " Naughty boy" exactly as above.. now thats a serious record to own on original

and not nice to have a £10 boot played 15 mins before you come on

Rob

[Dazdakin]

In a DJ spot of an hour you get 20 records or so to play, out of that 20 so why play 2nd issues or re- issues, the Northern scene has plenty of records to choose from? plenty

So what happens when lets say a paying customer wants to hear an "i'm Gone" or a "Narbay" or any sound where it is very rare very expensive but at the same time so known to even lets say newbies to the soul scene??

To my way of thinking so long as the above sounds or any other are not owned by a dj who is playing the same venue as yourself and could well have wanted to play them then who gives a fook!! (we all know which dj's are likely to own such sounds).

Prime example of all this tosh is the grapevine records, they are all British originals and all legal issues.......with this in mind does it mean we will NEVER hear Betty Boo "say it isnt so" ever again!!

Politics politics its killing the scene!!

[Cunnie]

Prime example of all this tosh is the grapevine records, they are all British originals and all legal issues.......

But are they?

I'd have thought if Grapevine were 100% legit they would have released Hey Little Way Out Girl under it's original artist instead of it's cover up title (or better still not released it at all LOL)

Now if I was a member of the Construction I'd be pretty p****d off with the guy's in charge of Grapevines owners RCA.

[Rob Wigley]

So what happens when lets say a paying customer wants to hear an "i'm Gone" or a "Narbay" or any sound where it is very rare very expensive but at the same time so known to even lets say newbies to the soul scene??

To my way of thinking so long as the above sounds or any other are not owned by a dj who is playing the same venue as yourself and could well have wanted to play them then who gives a fook!! (we all know which dj's are likely to own such sounds).

Prime example of all this tosh is the grapevine records, they are all British originals and all legal issues.......with this in mind does it mean we will NEVER hear Betty Boo "say it isnt so" ever again!!

Politics politics its killing the scene!!

You've covered the point I made Daz--respect your fellow DJs--if they own the originals stay well clear-but a request at a soul night-legitimate uk issue --FINE

But Bootlegs nah

Rob

Edited July 24, 2010 by Karen and Rob Wigley

[Rob Wigley]

But are they?

I'd have thought if Grapevine were 100% legit they would have released Hey Little Way Out Girl under it's original artist instead of it's cover up title (or better still not released it at all LOL)

Now if I was a member of the Construction I'd be pretty p****d off with the guy's in charge of Grapevines owners RCA.

Hardly anyone knew it was Construction Martin-always played and massive as Del-capris-done to cash in on the demand

Rob

[NEV]

So what happens when lets say a paying customer wants to hear an "i'm Gone" or a "Narbay" or any sound where it is very rare very expensive but at the same time so known to even lets say newbies to the soul scene??

To my way of thinking so long as the above sounds or any other are not owned by a dj who is playing the same venue as yourself and could well have wanted to play them then who gives a fook!! (we all know which dj's are likely to own such sounds).

Prime example of all this tosh is the grapevine records, they are all British originals and all legal issues.......with this in mind does it mean we will NEVER hear Betty Boo "say it isnt so" ever again!!

Politics politics its killing the scene!!

was Betty Boo ever released on any other label than uk grapevine??

as far as im aware it was'nt ...so your example does'nt quite answer the point imho.

At the end of the day .. it's more a case of who is promoting the venue and what his/her policy is regarding original vinyl or re-issue/boot/carver etc etc.

Just as it's every punters right as to wether to attend a venue that supports o.vo. or not o.v.o

simple as otherwise this article will be the same as every other ......an argument as to why o.v.o or who is right or wrong ....never ending and pointless exchanges that end up heated and in the end resolve nothing .

enjoy the rest of the weekend boys and girls

[Rob Wigley]

So what happens when lets say a paying customer wants to hear an "i'm Gone"

You're getting into deep water Daz LP tracks now--You'll be arrested for sure-

Rob

[Cunnie]

Hardly anyone knew it was Construction Martin-always played and massive as Del-capris-done to cash in on the demand

Rob

Know that Rob but the point I'm making is was any copyright paid to the artists. Doubt it as they were'nt even named.

You know me Rob. Always speak up for the artists first & if the artists get a cut from a legit repress I can't see the problem unless a night is advertised as OVO only.

[Rob Wigley]

Know that Rob but the point I'm making is was any copyright paid to the artists. Doubt it as they were'nt even named.

You know me Rob. Always speak up for the artists first & if the artists get a cut from a legit repress I can't see the problem unless a night is advertised as OVO only.

What about CDs, what about "Bootleg" British where no royalties / copy right was ever paid we know a song about that --don't we Martin

Rob

[Guest smudgesmith]

Get a dj spot at a Nottingham soul venue...99% of um dont give a S**T what a 45 is played on

Kin ell!!!!!! Like that.....like that a lot:thumbsup:

[Guest smudgesmith]

So what happens when lets say a paying customer wants to hear an "i'm Gone" or a "Narbay" or any sound where it is very rare very expensive but at the same time so known to even lets say newbies to the soul scene??

To my way of thinking so long as the above sounds or any other are not owned by a dj who is playing the same venue as yourself and could well have wanted to play them then who gives a fook!! (we all know which dj's are likely to own such sounds).

Prime example of all this tosh is the grapevine records, they are all British originals and all legal issues.......with this in mind does it mean we will NEVER hear Betty Boo "say it isnt so" ever again!!

Politics politics its killing the scene!!

Betty Boo never had a release other than grapevine.............so you can hear this all day long if you want to

Great tune:thumbsup:

[Dave Pinch]

The problem I've got with this topic is not whether Mike plays his Johnny Hamilton 45 or not, but that he has to seek some sort of permission to do so from a bunch of f*ckwits on an internet site who think they make up all the rules.

THATS WHY I PUT THE `LOL` NEXT TO MY ANSWER PETE, MY ANSWER WAS TOUNGE IN CHEEK. WHILE I TRY TO PLAY ORIGINALS IVE BEEN KNOWN TO PLAY 100 CLUB ANNIVERSARY 45`S OR SAY DAVID RHODES `HUNG UP` AND I WOULD EXPECT TO BE PERSECUTED BY SOME..... BUT IM NOT BOTHERED ABOUT THAT

DAVE

[Mark Jones]

deffo Original Vinyl Only...otherwise the OVO Police will hunt you down!

[Guest]

I think you'll find Mike is doin' a bit of fishing.......... no major bites as yet........waiting for the big un .

Best Russ

hi Russ, hope you are well

it is a genuine question Russ, i did put 'not being funny'

the 'rules' get shouted about and i have been trying to adhere to them when i've played lately however i need to know what rules i'm supposed to be following.

the rules do seem to change depending on who the dj is though (as stated in one of the posts on here). i'm sure you know of some that would play a second issue just because the orig is hard to come by

another example was a fairly recent event i dj'd at and it was OVO however 1 of the dj's played a boot (the boot has a fault in them and could be heard as clear as day when he played it out)

this is not about arguing over the playing of boots/second issues etc ...nor fishing for bites.... it was a genuine question about the playing of a legit test press of Little Johnny Hamilton ...... and the reason was given... that i have been told that unless i play ovo then i may not get spots .......fair enough for me to ask about this record for that reason don't you think

[bri pinch]

The problem I've got with this topic is not whether Mike plays his Johnny Hamilton 45 or not, but that he has to seek some sort of permission to do so from a bunch of f*ckwits on an internet site who think they make up all the rules.

.....AND WITH NEARLY 22,000 POSTS ON THIS SITE, PETE. YOU ARE INDEED THE TOP F*CKWIT

BRI PINCH

[Pete S]

.....AND WITH NEARLY 22,000 POSTS ON THIS SITE, PETE. YOU ARE INDEED THE TOP F*CKWIT

BRI PINCH

That's as maybe, but I don't go around telling people what they can or can't play.

[paultp]

Surely this is a matter of personal opinion?

If you wanna play boots, carvers etc etc just play them.

If you want to play only the original of any record then do that.

Why ask any one else's permission? What sort of acceptance are you looking for?

[Guest]

Surely this is a matter of personal opinion?

If you wanna play boots, carvers etc etc just play them.

If you want to play only the original of any record then do that.

Why ask any one else's permission? What sort of acceptance are you looking for?

you obviously haven't read the thread or you wouldn't need to ask that question; permission was not being asked

i find that insulting and was going to put an insulting word back to describe what i thought of you for making that comment however; there is a whole thread in freebasing the describes the sort of person who would make the comment you have

Edited July 25, 2010 by mikecook

[Rob Wigley]

Just thought of this pearl of wisdom to go with the rest....

Don't play bootlegs or Carvers and try to pass them off as the ORIGINAL 45...

Rob

[Guest]

Just thought of this pearl of wisdom to go with the rest....

Don't play bootlegs or Carvers and try to pass them off as the ORIGINAL 45...

Rob

ooooooooooooooooooohhhh Rob!!!!!!!! that just begs to open up old arguments about the dj's who make those sort of rules and then get carvers done so they dont wear out their orig copies (and it is acceptable by the 'soul police' standards ...... or the 'well known' boys club that can play anything they like and not get questioned about it) one rule for one.........

but i really dont want to be drawn into that pile of hypocrisy ........ i have the answer i was looking for regarding Johnny Hamilton so i'll leave it there ..... thanks for all the replies; with the exception of paultp's which was unnecessary and uncalled for

[Julie Moore]

ooooooooooooooooooohhhh Rob!!!!!!!! that just begs to open up old arguments about the dj's who make those sort of rules and then get carvers done so they dont wear out their orig copies (and it is acceptable by the 'soul police' standards ...... or the 'well known' boys club that can play anything they like and not get questioned about it) one rule for one.........

but i really dont want to be drawn into that pile of hypocrisy ........ i have the answer i was looking for regarding Johnny Hamilton so i'll leave it there ..... thanks for all the replies; with the exception of paultp's which was unnecessary and uncalled for

Glad you got your answer in the end Mike

Was just gonna add my two-penneth as well

Regards

Juilie x

[Guest]

Glad you got your answer in the end Mike

Was just gonna add my two-penneth as well

Regards

Juilie x

hi Julie, hope you are well

i'm done with posting on this thread but will be interested to read others opinions if they get posted ........ so please, post your thoughts

see ya soon x

[Julie Moore]

Here goes Mike

It is only mvho and personal thoughts, but if the event is booked as a ovo it should be ovo. Last year I went to a do for my birthday the event was billed as ovo but in one of the dj`s set a boot was played, very naughty was my opinion . when challenge the excuse was well it was a request and we must keep the punters happy, what a load of tosh if you aint got it dont play a boot tell the person you aint got it .SIMPLES

Sorry off thread a bit ,

If everyone starts playing non ovo i might as well start djing myself lololol as i have some fantastic boots that i only play in the comfort of my own bedroom

So if you aint sure Mike dont play it out

regards

Julie x

[Guest]

Here goes Mike

It is only mvho and personal thoughts, but if the event is booked as a ovo it should be ovo. Last year I went to a do for my birthday the event was billed as ovo but in one of the dj`s set a boot was played, very naughty was my opinion . when challenge the excuse was well it was a request and we must keep the punters happy, what a load of tosh if you aint got it dont play a boot tell the person you aint got it .SIMPLES

Sorry off thread a bit ,

If everyone starts playing non ovo i might as well start djing myself lololol as i have some fantastic boots that i only play in the comfort of my own bedroom

So if you aint sure Mike dont play it out

regards

Julie x

thanks Julie but the record in question is not a boot - it is a legit test press - totally different thing imo

regards,

mike x

[Julie Moore]

thanks Julie but the record in question is not a boot - it is a legit test press - totally different thing imo

regards,

mike x

OOPPSSS sorry Mike never seen one of tho`s now I`ll shut me gob and leave this thread to the soul-police and the anoracks

Catch you at Pilsley ( hope fully ) bring it to show me

Julie x

[Pete S]

you obviously haven't read the thread or you wouldn't need to ask that question; permission was not being asked

i find that insulting and was going to put an insulting word back to describe what i thought of you for making that comment however; there is a whole thread in freebasing the describes the sort of person who would make the comment you have

He answered exactly the same as I did so that makes two of us who don't understand the thread then. You're asking if you should play a UK release of a US record. A thread thats been done about 4000 times already.

[Guest]

He answered exactly the same as I did so that makes two of us who don't understand the thread then. You're asking if you should play a UK release of a US record. A thread thats been done about 4000 times already.

sorry you are finding this hard to understand Pete, i thought it was pretty clear:

i keep getting told that they need to be on orig format or i'm in danger of not getting asked to do future spots.

if i played the legit test press of LJH out, would that mean i am putting myself in 'danger' of not getting asked to do future spots?

I cant make it any simpler than that ...... apologies if i have not read all the threads regarding british V us records

regards,

mike

[Pete S]

sorry you are finding this hard to understand Pete, i thought it was pretty clear:

i keep getting told that they need to be on orig format or i'm in danger of not getting asked to do future spots.

if i played the legit test press of LJH out, would that mean i am putting myself in 'danger' of not getting asked to do future spots?

I cant make it any simpler than that ...... apologies if i have not read all the threads regarding british V us records

regards,

mike

Not getting asked "by whom"??

[macca]

As long as it's gone through the machinery of negotiation and been ratified as branch level, I don't see why not.

Bloody good record. Reminds me of Soul Sam at St.Ives 1977 (again)...

[Gigs]

Hi Mike,for what it's worth,my opinion is the same as a few others,if your not sure don't play it,or do play it and see what reaction you get. I,personnally only have ovo but still never get asked to dj so don't worry

regards ktf Gigs

[Russ Vickers]

No .

Russ

Edited July 26, 2010 by Russ Vickers