KevH Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 What's the story chaps on "My dear heart" - Diana Ross that was around a few years back.Hazy memory on this one (whats new!).
Pete S Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 What's the story chaps on "My dear heart" - Diana Ross that was around a few years back.Hazy memory on this one (whats new!). Well they originally said it was Diana Ross but then it was known as Barbara Mercer I think - unless there were actually two versions, I know I had the Barbara Mercer one on a dub and played it a few times
Davetay Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Well they originally said it was Diana Ross but then it was known as Barbara Mercer I think - unless there were actually two versions, I know I had the Barbara Mercer one on a dub and played it a few times I forget about this version, last time I heard it was in the 90s at Bretby. Whoever was DJing at the time said it was by Diana Ross, can't remember how good or bad it was. Dave.
NEV Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) I forget about this version, last time I heard it was in the 90s at Bretby. Whoever was DJing at the time said it was by Diana Ross, can't remember how good or bad it was. Dave. Barbara Mercer was the one i had on mp3 and to my memory it was quite good ...maybe even better version than shawn robinson:g: heres a link to an external soundfile...half way down the page Edited June 22, 2010 by chalky external link to file sharing download site removed
KevH Posted June 21, 2010 Author Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) Barbara Mercer was the one i had on mp3 and to my memory it was quite good ...maybe even better version than shawn robinson:g: heres a link to an external soundfile...half way down the page I seem to remember it was maybe the same backing track? Just played it Nev - top man so you are!!!!.Still like it..!!! Edited June 22, 2010 by chalky
Davetay Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Barbara Mercer was the one i had on mp3 and to my memory it was quite good ...maybe even better version than shawn robinson:g: heres a link to an external soundfile...half way down the page Nev, cheers for that. Not a bad version, but Shawn Robinson was one of my top fav's back in the day. It is more than likely like Pete says the one played out back in the early 90s. Dave.
Mick Howard Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Not sure about a full blow version with backing track but I definitely heard an acapela version by Ms Ross so why not. The acapela version was on the Motown tapes that Gilly got a hold of back in the mid 80's. Not one of my fave songs even by Shawn Robinson but the backing track is stonking. Mick
Pete S Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Nev, cheers for that. Not a bad version, but Shawn Robinson was one of my top fav's back in the day. It is more than likely like Pete says the one played out back in the early 90s. Dave. Yeah mine too, great record. The Barbara mercer one comes from the Groovesville/Solid Hitbound tapes and is a different backing track.
KevH Posted June 21, 2010 Author Posted June 21, 2010 Yeah mine too, great record. The Barbara mercer one comes from the Groovesville/Solid Hitbound tapes and is a different backing track. So that version (soulguy) is the "Diana Ross" one from the 90's.? Your mission,should you choose to take it,is to post up the Barbara Mercer version Pete:D .
Keithw Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 maybe a bit hazy here but i always thought the great lad that is Gilly gave it (loaned)to dean anderson and kitch,studio acetate was heard loads at Bretby and thought that was the only copy covered as barbara mercer SURE the above people will put us straight LUV Sean Robinson to bits but this just weezzzz all over it for me
Russ Vickers Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 maybe a bit hazy here but i always thought the great lad that is Gilly gave it (loaned)to dean anderson and kitch,studio acetate was heard loads at Bretby and thought that was the only copy covered as barbara mercer SURE the above people will put us straight LUV Sean Robinson to bits but this just weezzzz all over it for me Yep, pretty much right Keith, but covered as DR but was actually BM. Russ
Richard Bayley Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 I think the Barbara Mercer version is fantastic:thumbsup: - far prefer it to the Shawn Robinson version. I've heard Mr Fingers play the instrumental as the Funk Bros (acetate?) - he played it at the Wilton last year.
Chalky Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Links to possible external download/file sharing site removed.
Chalky Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 personally can see or rather hear why this remained unissued Its not very good. The vocals are dreadful, especially at the beginning (all IMO of course). I'll put it in refosoul when I get the chance.
Jerry Hipkiss Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 personally can see or rather hear why this remained unissued Its not very good. The vocals are dreadful, especially at the beginning (all IMO of course). I'll put it in refosoul when I get the chance. Seconded...IMHO nothing could better Shawn Robinsons version...
Keithw Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 thanks russ for reply deserves a LEGAL uk issue i think
Chalky Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 thanks russ for reply deserves a LEGAL uk issue i think Why? its terrible IMO.
Makemvinyl Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 maybe a bit hazy here but i always thought the great lad that is Gilly gave it (loaned)to dean anderson and kitch,studio acetate was heard loads at Bretby and thought that was the only copy covered as barbara mercer SURE the above people will put us straight LUV Sean Robinson to bits but this just weezzzz all over it for me Twas covered as Diana Ross and played out by Dean and Kitch and only recently revealed as Babs Mercer
Pete S Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Twas covered as Diana Ross and played out by Dean and Kitch and only recently revealed as Babs Mercer Only recently? 8 years ago...got it on a boot cd called Rare Soul Bible where it's listed as Barbara mercer.
Chalky Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Was going to say had the proper artist for summat like 10 years.
KevH Posted June 22, 2010 Author Posted June 22, 2010 Was going to say had the proper artist for summat like 10 years. Seem to remember the Gilly connection now.Played it at a nighter early 90's,Rob Marriot on same line up.Sports hall somewhere possibly Stoke way?.Seperate sales room.Can recall Butch had the Groovers on Minit for sale,but not the bloody venue.
Mike Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Only recently? 8 years ago...got it on a boot cd called Rare Soul Bible where it's listed as Barbara mercer. you wacked it up here pete hang on barbara mercer - my dear heart -
Mike Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 after upgrade may need to hit ctrl and f5 if quick player dont popup
Gilly Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Time to set the record straight,this particular female version was firstly picked up by myself whilst in Detroit in 1992 I got it from the guy who was the engineer.One track was a single vocal take,next track was because the vocal is weak they mixed two vocals together in an attempt to give the song body.Track three was the backing track(the same as used for the released version S Robinson)The recording was done at Golden World in i think 1965 and the engineer said it was D Ross.This i found hard to understand at the time she was of course contracted to Motown and had already had a couple of hits,but i wasnt going to argue with him.On the odd occasion i DJed i would play it.Some time later i allowed a well known person from Notts (KWS) a tape copy in full,next i know Dean and Kitch are using it in their sets on the understanding it was a KWS discovery.The things people do?Much later i spotted it on a Todmorden CD when they done a deal with Don Davises brother along with a load of other stuff.The name B Mercer makes more sense as the vocalist. 1
Mick Howard Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Time to set the record straight,this particular female version was firstly picked up by myself whilst in Detroit in 1992 I got it from the guy who was the engineer.One track was a single vocal take,next track was because the vocal is weak they mixed two vocals together in an attempt to give the song body.Track three was the backing track(the same as used for the released version S Robinson)The recording was done at Golden World in i think 1965 and the engineer said it was D Ross.This i found hard to understand at the time she was of course contracted to Motown and had already had a couple of hits,but i wasnt going to argue with him.On the odd occasion i DJed i would play it.Some time later i allowed a well known person from Notts (KWS) a tape copy in full,next i know Dean and Kitch are using it in their sets on the understanding it was a KWS discovery.The things people do?Much later i spotted it on a Todmorden CD when they done a deal with Don Davises brother along with a load of other stuff.The name B Mercer makes more sense as the vocalist. Gilly Must have been mashed then thinking I heard an acapela version. Did DR do anything acapela that you had 'cos I swear I heard it on one of your tapes round yours? Mick
Gilly Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Gilly Must have been mashed then thinking I heard an acapela version. Did DR do anything acapela that you had 'cos I swear I heard it on one of your tapes round yours? Mick Did have What Should I Do, Little Ann,acapela,Mick maybe thats what your thinking of and an inst of Saving My Love,Marva Whitney,and numerous other odd ball things.
Pete S Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Time to set the record straight,this particular female version was firstly picked up by myself whilst in Detroit in 1992 I got it from the guy who was the engineer.One track was a single vocal take,next track was because the vocal is weak they mixed two vocals together in an attempt to give the song body.Track three was the backing track(the same as used for the released version S Robinson)The recording was done at Golden World in i think 1965 and the engineer said it was D Ross.This i found hard to understand at the time she was of course contracted to Motown and had already had a couple of hits,but i wasnt going to argue with him.On the odd occasion i DJed i would play it.Some time later i allowed a well known person from Notts (KWS) a tape copy in full,next i know Dean and Kitch are using it in their sets on the understanding it was a KWS discovery.The things people do?Much later i spotted it on a Todmorden CD when they done a deal with Don Davises brother along with a load of other stuff.The name B Mercer makes more sense as the vocalist. Gilly, I realise I'm not in much of a position to argue with you but that "Barbara Mercer" backing track is not the same as the Shawn Robinson one, play the two next to each other, completely different.
Rob Wigley Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Time to set the record straight,this particular female version was firstly picked up by myself whilst in Detroit in 1992 I got it from the guy who was the engineer.One track was a single vocal take,next track was because the vocal is weak they mixed two vocals together in an attempt to give the song body.Track three was the backing track(the same as used for the released version S Robinson)The recording was done at Golden World in i think 1965 and the engineer said it was D Ross.This i found hard to understand at the time she was of course contracted to Motown and had already had a couple of hits,but i wasnt going to argue with him.On the odd occasion i DJed i would play it.Some time later i allowed a well known person from Notts (KWS) a tape copy in full,next i know Dean and Kitch are using it in their sets on the understanding it was a KWS discovery.The things people do?Much later i spotted it on a Todmorden CD when they done a deal with Don Davises brother along with a load of other stuff.The name B Mercer makes more sense as the vocalist. And who wouldn't listen to ME when I found the TIN !!! the bloody pair of you (tats and Gilly) As it said on the tape tin --Diana Ross-there are two Vocal versions and an (unfinished?) Instrumental that we transferred on to DAT TAPE- the Acetates were cut from that to play out! The engineer also told us he "Double tracked" Diana's voice to make it sound stronger playing the 2nd track a fraction of a second behind the other. As this was an engineers file/ control / reference copy I doubt if the recording even exists in the Motown Vaults Rob
KevH Posted June 23, 2010 Author Posted June 23, 2010 And who wouldn't listen to ME when I found the TIN !!! the bloody pair of you (tats and Gilly) As it said on the tape tin --Diana Ross-there are two Vocal versions and an (unfinished?) Instrumental that we transferred on to DAT TAPE- the Acetates were cut from that to play out! The engineer also told us he "Double tracked" Diana's voice to make it sound stronger playing the 2nd track a fraction of a second behind the other. As this was an engineers file/ control / reference copy I doubt if the recording even exists in the Motown Vaults Rob So it did what it said on the tin. Where's the tin now?.
Chalky Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 If it is Diana (D)Ross it would explain why it is so bad vocally. Didn't think BM was that bad a singer?
Guest Posted June 24, 2010 Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Its a hideous version, sounds like she has a cardboard box on her head ...flat as a fart and the backing track is shite compared to SRs version! No way can anyone on this forum believe its a better version than SRs which is one of the best female northern tracks out there! shawn robinson - my dear heart - Edited June 24, 2010 by Guest
Gilly Posted June 24, 2010 Posted June 24, 2010 Its a hideous version, sounds like she has a cardboard box on her head ...flat as a fart and the backing track is shite compared to SRs version! No way can anyone on this forum believe its a better version than SRs which is one of the best female northern tracks out there! shawn robinson - my dear heart - I dont think too many people would say its better than S R version but its another alternative that i believe was worthy of a play,You could liken the alt version of the Coasters Crazy Baby song,or even the recent Just Like The Weather that Butch has played,Each to their own i guess.
Manfromsoul45s Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Time to set the record straight,this particular female version was firstly picked up by myself whilst in Detroit in 1992 I got it from the guy who was the engineer.One track was a single vocal take,next track was because the vocal is weak they mixed two vocals together in an attempt to give the song body.Track three was the backing track(the same as used for the released version S Robinson)The recording was done at Golden World in i think 1965 and the engineer said it was D Ross.This i found hard to understand at the time she was of course contracted to Motown and had already had a couple of hits,but i wasnt going to argue with him.On the odd occasion i DJed i would play it.Some time later i allowed a well known person from Notts (KWS) a tape copy in full,next i know Dean and Kitch are using it in their sets on the understanding it was a KWS discovery.The things people do?Much later i spotted it on a Todmorden CD when they done a deal with Don Davises brother along with a load of other stuff.The name B Mercer makes more sense as the vocalist. Sorry to burst ya bubble Gilly..Alaways knew it came via you and I have never had it or ever played it, and slightly dissapointed in the comment if I'm honest. Considered you a good friend as well.. Edited June 25, 2010 by hootenannie
Gilly Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 Sorry to burst ya bubble Gilly..Alaways knew it came via you and I have never had it or ever played it, and slightly dissapointed in the comment if I'm honest. Considered you a good friend as well.. To be honest i'd never heard you or Dean play it,Twas the word going about back in the day and as you see on this forum its still the word,personaly i dont give two hoots about the record anymore,but your friendship is important to me so anything ive posted in error i apologize for unreservedly.I hope this doesnt affect what has been a long standing friendship with both yourself and Julia.
Pete S Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 alt version of the Coasters Crazy Baby Really??? Who by? Any good? Never even heard of this.
Manfromsoul45s Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 To be honest i'd never heard you or Dean play it,Twas the word going about back in the day and as you see on this forum its still the word,personaly i dont give two hoots about the record anymore,but your friendship is important to me so anything ive posted in error i apologize for unreservedly.I hope this doesnt affect what has been a long standing friendship with both yourself and Julia. "Some time later i allowed a well known person from Notts (KWS) a tape copy in full,next i know Dean and Kitch are using it in their sets on the understanding it was a KWS discovery.The things people do?" Judging by the wording in your post you clearly do/did? To be honest having my name bandied around like that is not something I appreciate. What I have to say to you will be to your face.
Chalky Posted June 25, 2010 Posted June 25, 2010 Really??? Who by? Any good? Never even heard of this. Andy Dyson has had the acetate some time now, pre dates the coasters by about a year I think. Single artist, forget exactly who, somebody, Sherman or Herman off top of me head. Tis good, get to Lifeline on Saturday, you mkight hear it. Think Ady Pountian has one too. The Mill Edwards Butch has is simply superb IMO, better than the other versions IMHO.
Guest Posted June 26, 2010 Posted June 26, 2010 I dont think too many people would say its better than S R version but its another alternative that i believe was worthy of a play,You could liken the alt version of the Coasters Crazy Baby song,or even the recent Just Like The Weather that Butch has played,Each to their own i guess. I agree with that, I have a fetish for alt versions, always have had....ive a few myself and had lots that ive sold on in the past......good bad or indifferent its always good to play/hear them.
Manfromsoul45s Posted June 26, 2010 Posted June 26, 2010 "Some time later i allowed a well known person from Notts (KWS) a tape copy in full,next i know Dean and Kitch are using it in their sets on the understanding it was a KWS discovery.The things people do?" Judging by the wording in your post you clearly do/did? To be honest having my name bandied around like that is not something I appreciate. What I have to say to you will be to your face. With reference to the above, Gilly you are a true friend and more besides..Issue sorted and laid to bed..Thanks mate.
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