Paul-s Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) Sorry to harp on about this fool. BUT, this is his FB profile and at the very end contains a BIG, BIG lie! I have, on several occasions asked him to change it and stop trying to mislead people. Russ Winstanley WAS NOT the the music consultant on the highly successful play 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan', which was by Urban Expansions limited (2003 - 2005) and commisioned by that company. That was myself, Adey Croasdell and Guy Hennigan (second tour). Russ was music consultant on 'the sham production at Bolton Octagon called 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan LIVE'. A cut up and hacked to death version of the original script aimed at trying to get in the West End! The first was highly successful and contained ALL original music, the second (Russ's LIVE version) was nothing to do with the successful play and had a white do wop band (flying Picketts) playing the music live. Thats the great musical advice Russ gave them " get a white group to sing Karaoke versions of the music we love". At a time when films are out and Russ is pedaling his wares from stall to stall, i want to set this straight. He DELIBERATELY tries to attach himself to my production and he did NO consulting on it, hence its success. Maybe Russ would like to comment on why he tries to confuse the two and says he was music consultant on 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan' rather than 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan LIVE', which were two very different plays! I know he reads these threads , as he always moans to the mods if anyone points out hes, allegedly, a fraud. On 23rd September 1973 Russ had the idea for putting on and DJing at the famous Soul Allnighters at Wigan Casino. Over 4 million people passed through the venue which ran four nights per week until December 6th 1981. Both Wigan Casino and Russ Winstanley won many awards for best venue and best DJ. In 1997 Russ compiled Telstar Records northern soul album Soul Survivors which has become the biggest selling northern soul compilation ever grossing over £2m. In 1998 his book Wigan Casino Story joined the best sellers' list. In 2008 Russ was featured in BBC TV's Soul Britannia and Dance Britannia and special Northern Soul features on BBC Radio 2 and 4. He has also toured with Paul Weller and Ocean Colour Scene and has also worked with Paul and Dean Parrish on the singles, 'Left Right and Centre' and 'It'll Never Be Over For Me'. Russ is also music consultant to the highly successful Wigan Casino Play,' Once Upon A Time In Wigan' which ran in June at Bolton's Octagon Theatre and will be turned into a multi-million pound feature film in 2009. Edited June 21, 2010 by paul-s
Little-stevie Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Would be good to have Russ on the forum and then he could answer this and many other questions that cast him in a bad light... Russ could also post me a reply to any questions brought up on here, i would post it up for sure.... If my name was attached to some of the comments thrown at Russ then i would want to try and redress the balance if possible...
Simsy Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) Fortunately I can't see anything that twat has posted on FB, he's blocked me. Sickened how he treated the guy that wrote the book. Wouldn't believe any info that chancer posted - but then his name is an anagram of 'Liars Newsy Nuts'.. Edited June 21, 2010 by Simsy
Simsy Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Would be good to have Russ on the forum Back on the forum you mean? I remember his last stint, didn't last long - thank God!
ImberBoy Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Just a word to the Mods, this is posted in "All about the Soul", wouldn't it have been better placed in "R Soul"?
Mark Bicknell Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 The Wigan Casino Golden Cow has been milked that much it's got saggy tits and shes been running on empty for years. Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Paul-s Posted June 21, 2010 Author Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) You know, i have asked him politely on several occassions to stop this deliberate lie and he just ignores it. So gloves off! Shame 'SOULBOY' the film have chosen him as their figure head of credibility! It can only tarnish their reputation. Edited June 21, 2010 by paul-s
Guest SteveJohnston Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 All this fuss over on little word "live" Paul I can understand were you are coming form on this but is it really worth the effort, most on SS know were the spot light shines brightly as far as 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan' is concerned. Also we all know to well how Russ has milked the Casino cow over the years since it closed, but he's not the only one to make money out of the Casinos history. On the udder hand! If anyone has a right to try and get more milk out of the Casino spent udders its Russ imo. Steve J
Paul-s Posted June 21, 2010 Author Posted June 21, 2010 All this fuss over on little word "live" Paul I can understand were you are coming form on this but is it really worth the effort, most on SS know were the spot light shines brightly as far as 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan' is concerned. Also we all know to well how Russ has milked the Casino cow over the years since it closed, but he's not the only one to make money out of the Casinos history. On the udder hand! If anyone has a right to try and get more milk out of the Casino spent udders its Russ imo. Steve J May not mean much to you mate, but it was me put 5 years work into the original play. THERE IS a world of difference between the 'Flying Picketts' Karaoke live mish mash at Bolton and the original Surely RUSS, if he wasn't DELIBERATELY trying to latch on to my successful production, would just alter his biog to reflect the truth, as requested? The truth is, he was nowt to do with 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan'. If i opened a venue and called it WIGAN CASINO, im sure there would be a few words on here. The reason they didnt change the title for the Bolton production and merely added (for legal reasons) LIVE, is that they deliberalety wanted to mislead people. And Russ still tries to continue with the sham...its Udderly dispicable! Im taking the bull by the horns and putting him out to pasture!
Paul-s Posted June 21, 2010 Author Posted June 21, 2010 All this fuss over on little word "live" Steve J You said it. So all he need do , is add it to his biog, as that is the name of the piece of crap he was musical director on. Why lie? Its not a mistake hes left it off, as i have pointed it out to him on several occassions. Well spotted though, perhaps send him a pm telling him its that easy to tell the TRUTH...just add the little word 'live'....thanks
Guest rasfoz Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 HANDS UP IF YOU LOVE WINSTANLEY HANDS DOWN IF YOU DONT
Guest southpaw Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 HANDS UP IF YOU LOVE WINSTANLEY HANDS DOWN IF YOU DONT
NEV Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 May not mean much to you mate, but it was me put 5 years work into the original play. THERE IS a world of difference between the 'Flying Picketts' Karaoke live mish mash at Bolton and the original Surely RUSS, if he wasn't DELIBERATELY trying to latch on to my successful production, would just alter his biog to reflect the truth, as requested? The truth is, he was nowt to do with 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan'. If i opened a venue and called it WIGAN CASINO, im sure there would be a few words on here. The reason they didnt change the title for the Bolton production and merely added (for legal reasons) LIVE, is that they deliberalety wanted to mislead people. And Russ still tries to continue with the sham...its Udderly dispicable! Im taking the bull by the horns and putting him out to pasture! Fook me Paul...that's a genius idea .....has anyone ever actually done it since the old place burned down?? A sort of american style diner with all the memorabillia on the walls ...a jukebox with all the auld songs on,old video clips on a big screen and waiters and waitresses wearing the baggies and circle skirts ....maybe even arrive with your order and do a little spin:thumbup: Wish i lived in Wigan ..i'd be onto it asap:yes: P.s remember where you saw that idea being born:wave:
Steve G Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Sorry to harp on about this fool. BUT, Yes well.......one thing I don't understand is why did you get involved with Winstanley in the first place? Surely by the early 2000s everyone on the scene knew what to expect from this fella. Except you it seems Paul?
Chalky Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I would have thought Russ was breaching your copyright? Why not leave it to the lawyers? He obviously doesn't give a sh*t and nothing is getting done on here?
Guest soulboy Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I have no feeling for mr winstanley one way or the other ,iv spoke to him a few times and was warm up for him once, he seem a nice enough bloke , so why are the knives always out for him and a few other top name dj's from back in the day? ok hes making a living out of it as are a good few others' and you got to admit wigan was his baby ,so why the bad feeling for him ,he must have his place in soul history ? we are going to get hammered in to the middle of next week tomorrow by the torys ,jobs are going down the pan ,so cant we have something good to say about our beautiful music x
Guest Dante Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) Fook me Paul...that's a genius idea .....has anyone ever actually done it since the old place burned down?? A sort of american style diner with all the memorabillia on the walls ...a jukebox with all the auld songs on,old video clips on a big screen and waiters and waitresses wearing the baggies and circle skirts ....maybe even arrive with your order and do a little spin:thumbup: Wish i lived in Wigan ..i'd be onto it asap:yes: P.s remember where you saw that idea being born:wave: Doesn't this already exist? Casino Cafe or something like that? Or another case of me not getting the sarcasm? Edited June 21, 2010 by Dante
Steve G Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) I have no feeling for mr winstanley one way or the other ,iv spoke to him a few times and was warm up for him once, he seem a nice enough bloke , so why are the knives always out for him and a few other top name dj's from back in the day? ok hes making a living out of it as are a good few others' and you got to admit wigan was his baby ,so why the bad feeling for him ,he must have his place in soul history ? we are going to get hammered in to the middle of next week tomorrow by the torys ,jobs are going down the pan ,so cant we have something good to say about our beautiful music x I'll try and be costructive soulboy here about these "top DJs" from the 70s (and I didn't want to get into another Winstanley bashing thread), but some of em were absent from the soul scene for nigh on 20 years, then came back thinking that the scene hadn't changed and they would simply step back onto their dusty thrones, welcomed by the masses like returning Kings from the Crusades. Of course the scene had changed beyond all recognition to the scene they left back in the late 70s. Knowledge has improved at least twenty fold in the intervening years, so for my money the first thing they should have done (and in fairness some of them have done this) is sit back and listen to what has gone down, recognise the wealth of knowledge that has been developed, respect and work with the next generation of flag carriers, rather than simply trying to retake their thrones in Kingdom's that have fundamentally changed. Russ didn't do any of that. He always had "credibility issues" even in the halcyon days of the Casino, and isn't really part of today's scene at all. I know of two promotors on here who have booked him in recent years (one down here ), and he runs his annual candle-lit pilgrimage up Station Road etc. but to all intents and purposes he's running his own Wigan Casino bandwagon. Meanwhile our beautiful music continues to be championed by thousands of others. Edited June 21, 2010 by Steve G
Keithw Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) only a personal view all the worse (pop) records at WIGAN seemed to be e found /played by winstanley muriel day / rainbow people/gary lewis etc theme from joe 90 wasnt he a greaser,who latched onto northern to make some money,in right place at right time thought he invented northern to hear him Edited June 21, 2010 by keithw
Guest Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Sorry to harp on about this fool. BUT, this is his FB profile and at the very end contains a BIG, BIG lie! I have, on several occasions asked him to change it and stop trying to mislead people. Russ Winstanley WAS NOT the the music consultant on the highly successful play 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan', which was by Urban Expansions limited (2003 - 2005) and commisioned by that company. That was myself, Adey Croasdell and Guy Hennigan (second tour). Russ was music consultant on 'the sham production at Bolton Octagon called 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan LIVE'. A cut up and hacked to death version of the original script aimed at trying to get in the West End! The first was highly successful and contained ALL original music, the second (Russ's LIVE version) was nothing to do with the successful play and had a white do wop band (flying Picketts) playing the music live. Thats the great musical advice Russ gave them " get a white group to sing Karaoke versions of the music we love". At a time when films are out and Russ is pedaling his wares from stall to stall, i want to set this straight. He DELIBERATELY tries to attach himself to my production and he did NO consulting on it, hence its success. Maybe Russ would like to comment on why he tries to confuse the two and says he was music consultant on 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan' rather than 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan LIVE', which were two very different plays! I know he reads these threads , as he always moans to the mods if anyone points out hes, allegedly, a fraud. On 23rd September 1973 Russ had the idea for putting on and DJing at the famous Soul Allnighters at Wigan Casino. Over 4 million people passed through the venue which ran four nights per week until December 6th 1981. Both Wigan Casino and Russ Winstanley won many awards for best venue and best DJ. In 1997 Russ compiled Telstar Records northern soul album Soul Survivors which has become the biggest selling northern soul compilation ever grossing over £2m. In 1998 his book Wigan Casino Story joined the best sellers' list. In 2008 Russ was featured in BBC TV's Soul Britannia and Dance Britannia and special Northern Soul features on BBC Radio 2 and 4. He has also toured with Paul Weller and Ocean Colour Scene and has also worked with Paul and Dean Parrish on the singles, 'Left Right and Centre' and 'It'll Never Be Over For Me'. Russ is also music consultant to the highly successful Wigan Casino Play,' Once Upon A Time In Wigan' which ran in June at Bolton's Octagon Theatre and will be turned into a multi-million pound feature film in 2009. He does at least merit one award, - King of the Bandwagon Jumpers
Guest proudlove Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I have no feeling for mr winstanley one way or the other ,iv spoke to him a few times and was warm up for him once, he seem a nice enough bloke , so why are the knives always out for him and a few other top name dj's from back in the day? ok hes making a living out of it as are a good few others' and you got to admit wigan was his baby ,so why the bad feeling for him ,he must have his place in soul history ? we are going to get hammered in to the middle of next week tomorrow by the torys ,jobs are going down the pan ,so cant we have something good to say about our beautiful music x Oh dear,oh dear.....................what on earth has RW got to do with the Budget..............or am I missing something here?
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I would have thought Russ was breaching your copyright? Why not leave it to the lawyers? He obviously doesn't give a sh*t and nothing is getting done on here? Good point Chalky. Surely these are legal issues aren't they? I wonder who actually owns the copyright and trademark in Wigan Casino? As an example, I put out a Hacienda compilation a few years ago and the company who issued it had to make a deal with Peter Hook who I believe owns the copyright and trademark to the Hacienda name. So has anyone ever registered or trade-marked the name 'Wigan Casino'? If no one has, then I would imagine it's wide open for anyone to use if they so wish......... Ian D
Guest proudlove Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Good point Chalky. Surely these are legal issues aren't they? I wonder who actually owns the copyright and trademark in Wigan Casino? As an example, I put out a Hacienda compilation a few years ago and the company who issued it had to make a deal with Peter Hook who I believe owns the copyright and trademark to the Hacienda name. So has anyone ever registered or trade-marked the name 'Wigan Casino'? If no one has, then I would imagine it's wide open for anyone to use if they so wish......... Ian D Just trade marked Wigan Casino/Northern Soul.................every thing through my legal team now please.
Guest soulboy Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I'll try and be costructive soulboy here about these "top DJs" from the 70s (and I didn't want to get into another Winstanley bashing thread), but some of em were absent from the soul scene for nigh on 20 years, then came back thinking that the scene hadn't changed and they would simply step back onto their dusty thrones, welcomed by the masses like returning Kings from the Crusades. Of course the scene had changed beyond all recognition to the scene they left back in the late 70s. Knowledge has improved at least twenty fold in the intervening years, so for my money the first thing they should have done (and in fairness some of them have done this) is sit back and listen to what has gone down, recognise the wealth of knowledge that has been developed, respect and work with the next generation of flag carriers, rather than simply trying to retake their thrones in Kingdom's that have fundamentally changed. Russ didn't do any of that. He always had "credibility issues" even in the halcyon days of the Casino, and isn't really part of today's scene at all. I know of two promotors on here who have booked him in recent years (one down here ), and he runs his annual candle-lit pilgrimage up Station Road etc. but to all intents and purposes he's running his own Wigan Casino bandwagon. Meanwhile our beautiful music continues to be championed by thousands of others. good post well said
Guest soulboy Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Oh dear,oh dear.....................what on earth has RW got to do with the Budget..............or am I missing something here? what i was trying to say was how sh*t everythings seems to have gone of late , lots of top people passing away ,jobs going ,just want something a bit up ,something to smile about thats all ,not much to ask for is it
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 urban expansions can go for breach of copyright -copyright is Copyright is the set of exclusive rights granted to the author or creator of an original work, including the right to copy, distribute and adapt the work. These rights can be licensed, transferred and/or assigned. Copyright lasts for a certain time period after which the work is said to enter the public domain. Copyright applies to a wide range of works that are substantive and fixed in a medium. Some jurisdictions also recognize "moral rights" of the creator of a work, such as the right to be credited for the work. while since i went to law school etc [oh yes tis true sadly but i was saved lol]but very costly -not that punitive -and a total minefield when it comes to determining a legal rememdy -my opinon of this is the moral rights argument presuming it came from russ would be fickle to say the least ?? Also what has the wigan casino trademark etc got to do with this?surely an action would be urban v winstanley unless he has been shrewd which would foggy the waters even more!! BAZ A. PAUL YOU CREATED SOMETHING WONDERFUL -YOUD SOON HAVE 10K EATEN UP ON THIS ETC SO JUST SET HIS TROUSERS ALIGHT WHEN YOU CATCH UP WITH HIM!!
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 there you go folks for those genuinely interested in looking at this objectively [perhaps i should remove the trouser comment lol] https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law take out the personnel feelings and comments -ask who created the work-ask who is taking credit -???
Guest proudlove Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 what i was trying to say was how sh*t everythings seems to have gone of late , lots of top people passing away ,jobs going ,just want something a bit up ,something to smile about thats all ,not much to ask for is it Sorry if I came across as having a pop,it just seemed a bit odd in a thread about RW that the budget was mentioned............he can take flak for some things..............but not the F*cked up Economy.LOL. Steve.
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I have no feeling for mr winstanley one way or the other ,iv spoke to him a few times and was warm up for him once, he seem a nice enough bloke , so why are the knives always out for him and a few other top name dj's from back in the day? ok hes making a living out of it as are a good few others' and you got to admit wigan was his baby ,so why the bad feeling for him ,he must have his place in soul history ? we are going to get hammered in to the middle of next week tomorrow by the torys ,jobs are going down the pan ,so cant we have something good to say about our beautiful music x A Know what you mean to a certain degree about about the state of the country. BUT ! i think the rare soul scene maybe one of the last stands of togetherness or some kind of unity we have in this country and probably when someone well known tries and takes the p#ss they want to defend it without getting shafted by so called colleuges or freinds unlike work. The working class just sit back and take all the crap that's thrown their way.Its a attitude of f#k you Jak i'm OK, Would the FRENCH take all the shite that's been thrown our way..So RIght on Brother, Keep The Faith & We've Got Togethernes,We've Got Soul.
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 just checked the ipo intellectual property office - please check it out folks if your curious as to the trademark question -ie wigan casino just pop it in their search engine - https://www.ipo.gov.uk/
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 PAUL YOU CREATED SOMETHING WONDERFUL -YOUD SOON HAVE 10K EATEN UP ON THIS ETC SO JUST SET HIS TROUSERS ALIGHT WHEN YOU CATCH UP WITH HIM!! As someone who spent £27K in litigation over a name I created (a case I lost by the way) that's probably pretty good advice Baz. The setting the trousers alight option could potentially be a bit tricky though...... I would imagine that Gerry Marshall's estate more than likely own the own the intellectual copyright and trade mark in Wigan Casino since it was his company which financed the operation and paid for everything in the first place. A court of law would find in their favour without a doubt - courts almost invariably find in the favour of the people who originally financed things unless there was a specific contract stating otherwise. I tried to do a Studio 54 album a few years ago and the road was littered with legal problems so it just wasn't worth the headache. I'd let sleeping dogs lie for a whole heap of reasons and they all cost money....... Ian D
Davetay Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 just checked the ipo intellectual property office - please check it out folks if your curious as to the trademark question -ie wigan casino just pop it in their search engine - https://www.ipo.gov.uk/ WTF Does that mean?
KevH Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Fortunately I can't see anything that twat has posted on FB, he's blocked me. Sickened how he treated the guy that wrote the book. Wouldn't believe any info that chancer posted - but then his name is an anagram of 'Liars Newsy Nuts'.. You lucky,lucky b*rstad.!!Teachers pet hey?.What i wouldn't give to be blocked by Mr Winstanley:lol:
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 just checked the ipo intellectual property office - please check it out folks if your curious as to the trademark question -ie wigan casino just pop it in their search engine - https://www.ipo.gov.uk/ Yeah but that's for 'Wigan Casino Northern Soul' isn't it Baz? And it's less than a year old too. Nothing for 'Wigan Casino' by itself that I can see........ Ian D
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 ah the voice of reason Ian follow the link re the ipo office can only see wigan casino as a trademark registered once -and that was 09 -the registration invaraibly comes from companies because their have exempt liability legally from directors etc common sense and ofcourse its a lawyers dream and a punters nightmare -i dont think a moral case ie the right or wrong notion would come into this at all-it would rest on cash im afraid!! BAZ A PS WOULD OF LOVED A STUDIO CD ALL THAT LOVELY SAL-SOUL ETC!! As someone who spent £27K in litigation over a name I created (a case I lost by the way) that's probably pretty good advice Baz. The setting the trousers alight option could potentially be a bit tricky though...... I would imagine that Gerry Marshall's estate more than likely own the own the intellectual copyright and trade mark in Wigan Casino since it was his company which financed the operation and paid for everything in the first place. A court of law would find in their favour without a doubt - courts almost invariably find in the favour of the people who originally financed things unless there was a specific contract stating otherwise. I tried to do a Studio 54 album a few years ago and the road was littered with legal problems so it just wasn't worth the headache. I'd let sleeping dogs lie for a whole heap of reasons and they all cost money....... Ian D
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 HELLO DAVE FOLLOW THE LINK TO THE SITE POP IN WIGAN CASINO IN THEIR SEARCH ENGINE AND GET AN IDEA OF WHO OWNS THE TRADEMARK - BAZ A WTF Does that mean? [
Guest soulboy Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Sorry if I came across as having a pop,it just seemed a bit odd in a thread about RW that the budget was mentioned............he can take flak for some things..............but not the F*cked up Economy.LOL. Steve. if i lose my job its got to be his fault for that tony blackburn track !
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 EXACTLY - BAZ A. Yeah but that's for 'Wigan Casino Northern Soul' isn't it Baz? And it's less than a year old too. Nothing for 'Wigan Casino' by itself that I can see........ Ian D
Agentsmith Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Fook me Paul...that's a genius idea .....has anyone ever actually done it since the old place burned down?? A sort of american style diner with all the memorabillia on the walls ...a jukebox with all the auld songs on,old video clips on a big screen and waiters and waitresses wearing the baggies and circle skirts ....maybe even arrive with your order and do a little spin:thumbup: Wish i lived in Wigan ..i'd be onto it asap:yes: P.s remember where you saw that idea being born:wave: sorry nev, its already called frankie & benny's!!
Davetay Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 HELLO DAVE FOLLOW THE LINK TO THE SITE POP IN WIGAN CASINO IN THEIR SEARCH ENGINE AND GET AN IDEA OF WHO OWNS THE TRADEMARK - BAZ A WTF Does that mean? [ Yes, it's me having a senior moment again, lol. Dave.
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 PS WOULD OF LOVED A STUDIO CD ALL THAT LOVELY SAL-SOUL ETC!! Lemme know whatcha need Baz. I kept copies of all the Salsoul masters we made anyway and those that we didn't manage to get are held by either Tom Moulton (who I'm seeing next week) or my mate Jeremy Newall who has the entire Salsoul catalogue. Now lemme see........you'll probably be after that unreleased Loleatta Holloway, Eddie Holman and Love Committee stuff right? And yer right. Litigating over this stuff is a one way ticket to oblivion......... Ian D
Agentsmith Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 only a personal view all the worse (pop) records at WIGAN seemed to be e found /played by winstanley muriel day / rainbow people/gary lewis etc theme from joe 90 wasnt he a greaser,who latched onto northern to make some money,in right place at right time thought he invented northern to hear him must correct you there kieth, barry smith, a local dj from st. giles y.c. in willenhall, west mids, discovered muriel day AND gary lewis...i know this because i djed with him at the legendary "sammies" all-nighters!,....he also found "locke's theme" by bob's band and dusty bin played that at the casino as well and pete smith will back me up on that one. rob.h
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 WONDERFUL GESTURE THANKS Ian just out of interest did you ever get to the studio ?? Lemme know whatcha need Baz. I kept copies of all the Salsoul masters we made anyway and those that we didn't manage to get are held by either Tom Moulton (who I'm seeing next week) or my mate Jeremy Newall who has the entire Salsoul catalogue. Now lemme see........you'll probably be after that unreleased Loleatta Holloway, Eddie Holman and Love Committee stuff right? And yer right. Litigating over this stuff is a one way ticket to oblivion......... Ian D
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 HELLO DAVE FOLLOW THE LINK TO THE SITE POP IN WIGAN CASINO IN THEIR SEARCH ENGINE AND GET AN IDEA OF WHO OWNS THE TRADEMARK - BAZ A WTF Does that mean? [ W#NKER - T#SSER - F#KWITT, I'M SURE YOU CAN THINK OF A FEW BAZ.
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 WONDERFUL GESTURE THANKS Ian just out of interest did you ever get to the studio ?? Which one Baz? I take it you mean Sigma Sound? No unfortunately. I did pass it a couple of times - once with Val Shively in the 70's but I didn't have the balls to walk in in '76. Wish I had. I did manage to get some great studio photos and interviews with Vince Montana when we did the Salsoul Orchestra anthology a few years back and I speak with a few of the original guys every now and then - for instance, I just licensed a track from Bobby Eli who is alive and well. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that Moulton's sat on TONS of stuff from the era 'cos he collects it and then sits on it forever LOL I'm actually going to do a mini documentary with the great man in the next couple of weeks so I'm going to interview him in his apartment and get him to dig into all the stuff in his archives (of which there are 1000's of tapes) so that should be fun. Dealing with his bloody cats probably won't be as much fun however......... I'll let you know how I get on. If I start finding any Sweet and Deep you'll be the first to know.......... Ian D
Baz Atkinson Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 sounds brill thanks mate BAZ A Which one Baz? I take it you mean Sigma Sound? No unfortunately. I did pass it a couple of times - once with Val Shively in the 70's but I didn't have the balls to walk in in '76. Wish I had. I did manage to get some great studio photos and interviews with Vince Montana when we did the Salsoul Orchestra anthology a few years back and I speak with a few of the original guys every now and then - for instance, I just licensed a track from Bobby Eli who is alive and well. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that Moulton's sat on TONS of stuff from the era 'cos he collects it and then sits on it forever LOL I'm actually going to do a mini documentary with the great man in the next couple of weeks so I'm going to interview him in his apartment and get him to dig into all the stuff in his archives (of which there are 1000's of tapes) so that should be fun. Dealing with his bloody cats probably won't be as much fun however......... I'll let you know how I get on. If I start finding any Sweet and Deep you'll be the first to know.......... Ian D
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