nrc Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Just a quicky, Who was the person responsible for those Jayboy re-releases in the early seventies. Stuff like Try a little harder-Fi-Dels
Nige Brown Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Just a quicky, Who was the person responsible for those Jayboy re-releases in the early seventies. Stuff like Try a little harder-Fi-Dels Someone on here will know all the details im sure ,,,,but im sure they where something todo with Preisdent records in their early days!! Its also legend that Jeff King knew someone at President who helped with the manufacture of the now Legendary Soulsounds the first ever bootlegs made for the Rare Soul Scene,,, the term Northern Soul was yet to be used !!! Nige B
Pete Jay Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Your right Nige The label was owned by President records run by David Kassner and began issuing records in 1968 with Doris Willingham's ' You Can't Do That' being their first release. They went onto release over 100 singles throughout the late 60s and 70s. Pete
Pete Jay Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 (edited) Jay BoyBOY1Doris WillingtonYou Can't Do That Lost Again Jay BoyBOY2The ShadrocksThere Is Jigsaw Jay BoyBOY3The CountrymenAfter All White Rose Of Athens Jay BoyBOY4The Migil 5If I Had My Way Somebody's Stolen The Moon1968 Jay BoyBOY5The HogsIt's All Coming To Me Now Motor Cycle Rider1969 Jay BoyBOY6Chords FiveSome People Battersea Fair1969 Jay BoyBOY7Mike QuinnToothbrush Nell Fairy Cakes (For Tea)1969 Jay BoyBOY8Dee and The QuotumSomeday You'll Need Someone Send Some Flowers To Julie Jay BoyBOY9Lyones and MaloneDoctor Gentle She's Alright1969 Jay BoyBOY10Shelly PaulThe Clowns Are Coming In Take Me To Your Heart Jay BoyBOY11The Annie Rocket BandA Little Smile On Christmas Morning Apology For Living Jay BoyBOY12E.K. BunchBanana Free Jay BoyBOY13Rough RidersBoss President House Jay BoyBOY14The Bed BugsFreedom Sound A Message To You Jay BoyBOY15The AlterationsWork It Up Work, Rest And Play Jay BoyBOY16The SugarlumpsSugar Sugar Can't We Be Friends Jay BoyBOY17GaslightMove And So To Sleep Jay BoyBOY18The RoundtableSaturday Gigue Scarborough Fair Jay BoyBOY19The SwampThat's The Way I Like It Reggae 70 Jay BoyBOY20The SugarlumpsSatan's People Shame Shame Jay BoyBOY21Niyah and The SunflakesTwo Little Boys Holding On Jay BoyBOY22Ray MerrellTears Of Joy Searching Jay BoyBOY23The Complete CycleI'm On The Road Again Back On The Road Again1970 Jay BoyBOY24The InvitationsHow'd We Ever Get This Way Picking Up1970 Jay BoyBOY25Bob and EarlHarlem Shuffle Send For Me, I'll Be There Jay BoyBOY26Jackie LeeThe Shotgun And The Duck Do The Temptation Walk1970 Jay BoyBOY27The OlympicsHully Gully Big Boy Pete Jay BoyBOY28Jackie LeeWould You Believe You're Everything Jay BoyBOY29The HideawaysHide Out Jolly Joe Jay BoyBOY30The SheppardsHow Do You Like It Stubborn Heart Jay BoyBOY31Richard TempleThat Beatin' Rhythm Could It Be Jay BoyBOY32Donald HeightTalk Of The Grapevine There'll Be No Tomorrow Jay BoyBOY33Jerry OKarate-Boo-Ga-Loo The Pearl Jay BoyBOY34Freddie ScottJust Like A Flower Spanish Harlem Jay BoyBOY35Jackie MooreDear John Here I Am Jay BoyBOY36Erma FranklinI'm Just Not Ready For Love The Right To Cry Jay BoyBOY37Phillip MitchellI'm Gonna Build California From All Over The World The World Needs More People Like You Jay BoyBOY38The ExcitersSoul Motion You Know It Ain't Right1971 Jay BoyBOY39Charles LeonardFunky Driver On A Funky Bus - Part 1 Funky Driver On A Funky Bus - Part 2 Jay BoyBOY40The Liberty BellesShing-A-Ling Time Just Try Me Jay BoyBOY41Erma FranklinPiece Of My Heart Big Boss Man Jay BoyBOY42The Dreams The Dreams Band(They Call Me) Jessie James - featuring Keni Lewis Charge Jay BoyBOY43Virgil GriffinLa Da Da Da Da Climbing Jay BoyBOY44The Blues BustersI Can't Stop Inspired To Love You Jay BoyBOY45The BaronsSociety, Don't Let Us Down No More Baby Love Jay BoyBOY46Randolph WalkerI Love Her More Good Ole Soul Jay BoyBOY47Howard JohnsonSlide That Magic Touch Can Send You Flying Jay BoyBOY48George Torrence and The Naturals(Mamma Come Quick And Bring Your) Lickin' Stick So Long, Good Bye Jay BoyBOY49Charles LattimoreDo The Thing We Try Harder Jay BoyBOY50Shan MilesSoul People - Part 1 Soul People - Part 2 Jay BoyBOY51Donald HeightThree Hundred And Sixty Five Days I'm Willing To Wait Jay BoyBOY52Jackie Lee and Dolores HallWhether It's Right Or Wrong Baby I'm Satisfied Jay BoyBOY53Jerry-OFunky Boo-Ga-Loo Push Push Jay BoyBOY54George FreemanI'm Like A Fish Why Are You Doing This To Me Jay BoyBOY55Billy YoungI'm Available A Sweet Woman Jay BoyBOY56The OlympicsBaby, Do The Philly Dog Secret Agents Jay BoyBOY57Phillip MitchellFree For All (Winner Takes All My Love) Flower Child Jay BoyBOY58Ernie and EdBeautiful World Indication Jay BoyBOY59Freddie ScottAre You Lonely For Me Baby The Love Of My Woman Jay BoyBOY60Donald HeightI Can't Get Enough We Gotta Make Up Jay BoyBOY61The FurysWhat Is Soul I Lost My Baby Jay BoyBOY62Jerry ODance What Cha Wanna Afro-Twist Time (Um-Gow-Wow) Jay BoyBOY63Lou and Laura PooleOnly You Know And I Know Look At Me Jay BoyBOY64Jimmy ConwellCigarette Ashes Second Hand Happiness Jay BoyBOY65The MirettesNow That I Found You, Baby He's All Right With Me Jay BoyBOY66Jackie Lee Oh, My Darlin' Don't Be Ashamed Jay BoyBOY67Jimmy Thomas Where There's A Will Just Tryin' To Please You Jay BoyBOY68The Furys I'm Satisfied With You Just A Little Mixed Up Jay BoyBOY69The Fi-DelsTry A Little Harder You Never Do Right (My Baby) Jay BoyBOY70Donnie Elbert Half As Old Baby Let Me Love You Tonite Jay BoyBOY71The Watts 103rd St. Rhythm BandSpreadin' Honey Charley Jay BoyBOY72Bob and Earl I Can't Get Away I'll Keep Running Back Jay BoyBOY73The Bob and Earl Band My Little Girl His And Her Shuffle Jay BoyBOY74The OlympicsThe Same Old Thing I'll Do A Little Bit More Jay BoyBOY75Bobby Womack What Is This? I Wonder Jay BoyBOY76Jackie Lee African Boo-Ga-Loo Bring It Home Jay BoyBOY77Delores Hall Good Lovin' Man W-O-M-A-N Jay BoyBOY78Clay Hammond Dance Little Girl Twin Brother Jay BoyBOY79Little Wayne Anthony Hey Man Freedom To Love Jay BoyBOY80K.C. and The Sunshine BandBlow Your Whistle I'm Gonna Do Something Good To You Jay BoyBOY81Miami featuring Moore Party Freaks Part 2 Jay BoyBOY82AlleySinging In Poverty Tip Toe Jay BoyBOY83K.C. and The Sunshine Band Sound Your Funky Horn Why Don't We Get Together Jay BoyBOY84Afro Dimensions If You Don't Want My Love Just Because Jay BoyBOY85George Mc Crae Rock Your Baby Part 2 Jay BoyBOY86Miami Hey Ya'll We're Miami Chicken Yellow Jay BoyBOY87Ruby Wilson and The Chips Number One In My Heart I'll Be Right Here (When You Return) Jay BoyBOY88K.C. and The Sunshine Band Queen Of Clubs Do It Good Jay BoyBOY89The Sunshine BandShotgun Shuffle Hey J Jay BoyBOY90George Mc CraeI Can't Leave You Alone You Got My Heart Jay BoyBOY91 [not issued] Jay BoyBOY92George Mc CraeYou Can Have It All Make It Right Jay BoyBOY93K.C. and The Sunshine BandGet Down Tonight You Don't Know Jay BoyBOY94Willie and AnthonySugar, Sugar, Sugar It's Never Too Late Jay BoyBOY95George Mc CraeSing A Happy Song I Get Lifted Jay BoyBOY96MiamiFunk It Up Freak On Down My Way Jay BoyBOY97FireOh, That's My Man You Don't Know Jay BoyBOY98Seven SeasSuper Jaws Pat's Jam Jay BoyBOY99K.C. and The Sunshine BandThat's The Way I Like It Ain't Nothin' Wrong Jay BoyBOY100George Mc CraeIt's Been So Long You Got To Know Jay BoyBOY101K.C. and The Sunshine BandI'm So Crazy (Bout You) Boogie Shoes Jay BoyBOY102Jacky BeaversTrying To Get Back To You, Girl Part 2 Jay BoyBOY103AlleyTruckload Tip Toe Jay BoyBOY104The Sunshine BandRock Your Baby Sunshine City Jay BoyBOY105George Mc CraeI Ain't Lyin' You Treat Me Good Jay BoyBOY106Ruby WilsonA Man And A Baby Boy Sky High Jay BoyBOY107George Mc CraeHoney I Take This Love Of Mine Jay BoyBOY108Paul Revere and The RaidersAin't Nothin' Wrong You're Really Sayin' Something Jay BoyBOY109FoxyGet Off You Aahh And Dance Part 2 Jay BoyBOY110K.C. and The Sunshine Band(Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Body I'm A Pushover Jay BoyBOY111MiamiKill That Roach Mr. Notorious Jay BoyBOY112K.C. and The Sunshine BandKeep It Comin' Love Wrap Your Arms Around Me Jay BoyBOY113AtlantisIt's Easy Who Loves You More Jay BoyBOY114Beverly RobinsonDisco Dancing Menage A Trios Jay BoyBOY115FlintThis Side Of Midnight Love Be A Shining Star Jay BoyBOY116FlintRocket Love Teacher Teacher Jay Boy Jay BoyJBE500K.C. and The Sunshine Band[EP] "I Like To Do It" I Like To Do It Come On In Keep It Coming Love Boogie Shoes197? P/S:Y This is a list of singles issued by Jayboy Records (some pretty obsure items amongst them too) Edited June 7, 2010 by Pete Jay
Guest son of stan Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 (edited) Hi. Hope this isn't hijacking the thread but I've got Doris Willingham on US Jayboy which has always struck me as a bit odd. Did the US label beget the UK one or was it the other way round? Any other releases on US Jayboy? (sorry, having technical troubles with images..if you click above it should work...) Edited June 7, 2010 by son of stan
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Hi. Hope this isn't hijacking the thread but I've got Doris Willingham on US Jayboy which has always struck me as a bit odd. Did the US label beget the UK one or was it the other way round? Any other releases on US Jayboy? (sorry, having technical troubles with images..if you click above it should work...)
funkyfeet Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Just a quicky, Who was the person responsible for those Jayboy re-releases in the early seventies. Stuff like Try a little harder-Fi-Dels And what UK label did the Fi-Dels come out before Jayboy then, always thought the Jayboy was the UK original issue.
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 And what UK label did the Fi-Dels come out before Jayboy then, always thought the Jayboy was the UK original issue. DJM
Gene-r Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 And what UK label did the Fi-Dels come out before Jayboy then, always thought the Jayboy was the UK original issue. Jayboy WAS the original UK issue and dates from 1972. It was also the only UK issue to use the same cut released on Keymen (you know, the cut with massive reverb all the way through). The DJM issue dates from around 1976, and uses the cut that VeeJay reissued around that time.
Neil Rushton Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Jay Boy's David Kassner actually turned up at one of the early Heart Of England Soul Club All-Dayers at Coalville Tiffany's and brought along Jimmy Thomas to do a PA. His dad was UK music biz legend Ed Kassner, who had originally set up the President operation. David gave away loads of free records that day as promotion for Jay Boy/President and was always easy to deal with. And Jimmy also did a PA at the our very first Heart Of England Soul Club All-Dayer at The Ritz in Manchester. Not many people remember that. Midlander David Yates was at DJM when they were based at Soho Square in 1976 and being aware of the Northern scene was responsible for the release of The Fi-Del via their licence deal with Vee Jay. I was staff writer for Black Echoes at the time and he set up an amazing night having dinner with and interviewing Johnny Guitar Watson and then seeing him peform.Johnny was happy to hear about his the Williams/Watson O'keh recordings being revered on the Northern scene and was quite a character. I later licenced The Fi-Dels for Inferno and got it direct from Fred Smith. I think I said something different on Soul Source in the past about this, but have been going through some old paperwork and found a letter from and a contract signed by Fred. Neil
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Hi. Hope this isn't hijacking the thread but I've got Doris Willingham on US Jayboy which has always struck me as a bit odd. Did the US label beget the UK one or was it the other way round? Any other releases on US Jayboy? (sorry, having technical troubles with images..if you click above it should work...) It came out on US Jay Boy first. It does seem to be the only release on the US label. They must have had high hopes for it, as it was advertised in 'Billboard' at the time...
nrc Posted June 8, 2010 Author Posted June 8, 2010 Thanks for all the info. I used to buy all the U.K. releases and obviously thought that maybe some d.j. or promoter on the scene at the time had got the rights to release them. Once again what a wealth of knowledge you lot are. Thank you.
Guest Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) Jay BoyBOY31Richard TempleThat Beatin' Rhythm Could It Be Jay BoyBOY37Phillip MitchellI'm Gonna Build California From All Over The World The World Needs More People Like You Jay BoyBOY63Lou and Laura PooleOnly You Know And I Know Look At Me Jay BoyBOY64Jimmy ConwellCigarette Ashes Second Hand Happiness The standout tracks, IMHO, are 31, 37, 63. Ciggarette Ashes.....blinder California.....flip it and give the B a spin.....dont know if its ever had 'nighter plays but it should have!!!!, two excellent tracks . Only you know and I know...as the B&S said when they reviewed this track, years and years ago, theres no way you would know this track was recorded in England. Cigarette Ashes is'nt bad either Edited June 9, 2010 by DanDare
Dazdakin Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Agree with your stand out tracks but there are more "stand out " tracks me thinks. Bob & Earl - My Little Girl Ray Merrell - Tears Of Joy
funkyfeet Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 nice one Ken,sure it was released about 63.... DJM was a different mix if I remember rightly and came out years after the Jayboy release and why anybody would think the original was on DJM is beyond me.
Anoraks Corner Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Here's a US demo for reference...and yes the sound drops out in one place as with the UK copies. Shame.
Anoraks Corner Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Just remembered that I found this one last year over here in Tokyo! Best use of the backing track imo.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Here's a US demo for reference...and yes the sound drops out in one place as with the UK copies. Shame. Dave - it's not actually a dropout, it's really the result of someone knocking a tape reel when the track was being mixed. We've had the original production tape in the office and it's on there, too. Unfortunately modern technology couldn't get rid of it, either. The two unissued tracks from this session are pretty special, too. I used the ballad on my Doris Duke Kent CD, Ady intends to use the more uptempo one (well, it's a floater, really) on some future Kent project.
dthedrug Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 (edited) Just a quickie, Who was the person responsible for those Jay Boy re-releases in the early seventies. Stuff like Try a little harder-Fi-Dells HI ALL The story of the demise of PRESIDANT is very interesting, and I know the 3 main dealers who emptied the President Wearhouse, This is how I came across most of my collection of all the obscure stuff Like Sir Ted Ford, Ernie & Ed and such, I must of had most titles in my day, what I can say is that the JAY BOY 20 rack was empty before the dealers moved in? and the last box of Demos (25) went to a dealer on the South Coast , The issue of Jay Boy 22 Ray Merrell according to the President stock sheet was withdrawn and only 3 boxes were ever in the warehouse, this makes the demo far cheaper than the issue, as I do not have permission from the original 3 Dealers I am reluctant to tell the full story, I will try to rectify this as there is so much history behind this amazing label ALSO THERE ARE SOME STRANGE ANOMALIES SUCH AS JAY BOY 61 WITH DEMOS ON 3 & 4 PRONGED STAMPERS! WHY?? DAVE KIL Edited June 11, 2010 by dthedrug
Guest son of stan Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 I've got a bit of a soft spot for the Afro-Dimensions one. Both sides are pretty good, I think. I didn't know anything about it so I did a bit of googling. Seems they were the proverbial US GIs stationed in the UK. They made the record as a result of winning a competition in "Blues and Soul". I'd always assumed it was licensed in from a US label. The singer, Al "Soulman" Sharp seems to be still involved in music and according to his website he has written a (sadly) unperformed musical about Jack the Ripper!..... shades of Spinal Tap.
Anoraks Corner Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 Ady intends to use the more uptempo one (well, it's a floater, really) A floater...of all things unholy!
burt weedon Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 HI, GUYS.maan wot a friggin nite,just surfaced from me cella an put this on proppa,proppa,i have bin tryin to finish this bloody label for years,why i honestly ay got a clue but im still doin it,,cudn,t finish so i started collectin the bloody demos..NEAL,youve just filled in a part of me life why i started it,me n kev burden at a central soul...do..talkin there u go still bloody cursed..nearly finished it i think i need about 20..but honestly i would av swoped me friggin misses just to finish this label..aint it mad..guys thanx..its ur fault..ad a 10 enner on england..cum on u sods.then i can buy a nuva.haha..xx
Guest SteveJohnston Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Agree with your stand out tracks but there are more "stand out " tracks me thinks. Bob & Earl - My Little Girl Ray Merrell - Tears Of Joy You can add No 30 to this list IMO How do you like it ?
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 You can add No 30 to this list IMO How do you like it ? Was the Shepherds version the original of "Stubborn Heart" then? Or was Ernest Mosely the first? Ian D
burt weedon Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Was the Shepherds version the original of "Stubborn Heart" then? Or was Ernest Mosely the first? Ian D dun-no..but anybody got any ones they dont want let me no...thanx.trade/swop.etc..hicky09@hotmail.co.uk
Benji Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Here's a US demo for reference...and yes the sound drops out in one place as with the UK copies. Shame. Came out in Germany too (with the very same drop out). Features a nice artist picture sleeve. Thought I had a scan of it saved on the hard drive but no luck so far
Dave Pinch Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Was the Shepherds version the original of "Stubborn Heart" then? Or was Ernest Mosely the first? Ian D i think the sheppards was first dave
Jerry Hipkiss Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 i think the sheppards was first dave IIRC released for two different areas of the States, don't know if theye were simultaneous though...
Guest mrbt Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 I was trying to find samples of Jay boy early numbers but but there aren't many Do you know if this single of the catalog it's reggae or not? Jay Boy BOY19 The Swamp - That's The Way I Like It // Reggae 70 Beside the B is tittled reggae 70, I like the previous by the pyramids but ignore this one ThanksRobert!
funkyfeet Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 I've got a bit of a soft spot for the Afro-Dimensions one. Both sides are pretty good, I think. I didn't know anything about it so I did a bit of googling. Seems they were the proverbial US GIs stationed in the UK. They made the record as a result of winning a competition in "Blues and Soul". I'd always assumed it was licensed in from a US label. The singer, Al "Soulman" Sharp seems to be still involved in music and according to his website he has written a (sadly) unperformed musical about Jack the Ripper!..... shades of Spinal Tap. I've got some Al Sharp solo 45's from the mid 70's on GTO if I remember correctly I guess it's the same guy.
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