Suinoz Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Yes. And, unfortunately, I was one of the dancers until we fecked off due to the film looking very ropey indeed. We thought we were getting involved in something special but it didn't turn out that way. There seemed to be a real lack of knowledge on the scene in general and we could see it from a mile off. Shame really as I believe there sould be a very good film made on the subject. Yes Paul, but isn't it a film/doco about ' THE WAY WE WERE ' not the way we are today ?? IMO it is aimed at the young folk of today that were'nt there over 30 years ago. It was never gonna be 100% correct for ' old soulies ', pardon the expression so let's hope thousands of bored teenagers go and see the film, realise there are other things than grafiti marking, beating up old ladies and nicking anything that does'nt move AND are inspired enough to want to be a part of the REAL THING that's happening all over the U.K. every weekend, bar none !! oh and most weekends here too. There have been comments on the ' break dancing ' moves. We did'nt see them in the old day's but most of the young guy's on the scene today ARE doing those exact moves AND winning dance competitions at Northern Soul events. No-one say's ' they can't do that ' cos they ain't original moves and should be kept to break/street dancing do they ?? I for one am looking forward to seeing the film, with an open mind.
Steve G Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Yes Paul, but isn't it a film/doco about ' THE WAY WE WERE ' not the way we are today ?? IMO it is aimed at the young folk of today that were'nt there over 30 years ago. It was never gonna be 100% correct for ' old soulies ', pardon the expression so let's hope thousands of bored teenagers go and see the film, realise there are other things than grafiti marking, beating up old ladies and nicking anything that does'nt move AND are inspired enough to want to be a part of the REAL THING that's happening all over the U.K. every weekend, bar none !! oh and most weekends here too. There have been comments on the ' break dancing ' moves. We did'nt see them in the old day's but most of the young guy's on the scene today ARE doing those exact moves AND winning dance competitions at Northern Soul events. No-one say's ' they can't do that ' cos they ain't original moves and should be kept to break/street dancing do they ?? I for one am looking forward to seeing the film, with an open mind. Yes would agree with that sentiment. Begs the question what is the scene today? A myriad of slightly different genres all crossing over, there is no difinitive weekly venue to focus on, and the scene as we call it is probably better for that. It's gonna take more than a few "dancing extras" flouncing off stage to convince me that this is or isn't a watchable / enjoyable film.
Liljimmycrank Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 In paul's defence I don't think anyone is in a position to tell him to 'grow up' (other than maybe his wife of course!). He, like me, gave up a lot of his own time and holiday allocation to help the film out when asked, and also saw a test screening so is perhaps is best placed to offer an opinion on the film......all be it a negative one, but very much still valid based on his experience of the film. There was a group of us, who regularly attend soul events, who danced as featured extras on the film when asked by the production team. We thought like most on here, it could be a good project and benefit the longevity of soul scene. Whilst I stayed for the duration and even went back for extra days filming at the productions team request, I can see exactly where Paul is coming from. The simple fact is we did try to point things out on countless occasions but they didn't listen! On our advice they actually adjusted certain dance scenes otherwise they'd have looked like a junior school disco......this was only when we mentioned the possibility of walking out. We sat round for between 6-10 hours a day doing absolutely nothing. I know this is probably the way of filming but they only had the kings hall for 2 weeks and we regularly pointed out that they weren't gonna have enough filler footage. My personal opinion on the film was that it was ok (based on test screening). Storyline was weak as I like gritty British films and believe this could've been one. The dance scenes, whilst some say innaccurate, I think are good and get the idea across. The thing I don't like is how they have treated the people on this site and the scene with a lack of respect. People gave a lot of effort unpaid, the after party saga etc. I want the film to do well, especially as the soundtrack is a cracker. Hopefully this us an insightful post but happy to accept criticism, tis a forum afterall.
Little-stevie Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 In paul's defence I don't think anyone is in a position to tell him to 'grow up' (other than maybe his wife of course!). He, like me, gave up a lot of his own time and holiday allocation to help the film out when asked, and also saw a test screening so is perhaps is best placed to offer an opinion on the film......all be it a negative one, but very much still valid based on his experience of the film. There was a group of us, who regularly attend soul events, who danced as featured extras on the film when asked by the production team. We thought like most on here, it could be a good project and benefit the longevity of soul scene. Whilst I stayed for the duration and even went back for extra days filming at the productions team request, I can see exactly where Paul is coming from. The simple fact is we did try to point things out on countless occasions but they didn't listen! On our advice they actually adjusted certain dance scenes otherwise they'd have looked like a junior school disco......this was only when we mentioned the possibility of walking out. We sat round for between 6-10 hours a day doing absolutely nothing. I know this is probably the way of filming but they only had the kings hall for 2 weeks and we regularly pointed out that they weren't gonna have enough filler footage. My personal opinion on the film was that it was ok (based on test screening). Storyline was weak as I like gritty British films and believe this could've been one. The dance scenes, whilst some say innaccurate, I think are good and get the idea across. The thing I don't like is how they have treated the people on this site and the scene with a lack of respect. People gave a lot of effort unpaid, the after party saga etc. I want the film to do well, especially as the soundtrack is a cracker. Hopefully this us an insightful post but happy to accept criticism, tis a forum afterall. great post mate.. Dogshit Barker and you and others are best placed on here to give us some feedback with regards to production/ style and how the finished product looked to you... Soulsouthlodge did not know of how much involvment Paul had in all this when making the call to grow up i guess.. Plenty more to come on this topic i should guess.. Feedback so far is mixed, some have given the film a healthy 8 out of 10 and others think its something smelly that gets on your shoe.. There is a topic for feedback for those that have seen the film, look forward to more feedback there, there must have been many members who have seen it on the showing in Scotland...
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) timestamp='1277246129' post='1357806'] Ever thought of a career as a French Sports Minister ] No offence mean't to anybody, it's just the British way now, we take all the shit that's thrown our way and never do nowt about it. That's why the country is in the state it's in, We should take a leaf from the French, i would never believe i would ever be making a statement like that. Edited June 23, 2010 by POTTERIESPECK
Philly Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Not seen the Film.... but have found some footage of the afterparty. Hope link works.... https://www.youtube.com/SoulBoy2010#p/u/2/d6osWF0tDtQ
Bigsoulman Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Not seen the Film.... but have found some footage of the afterparty. Hope link works.... https://www.youtube.com/SoulBoy2010#p/u/2/d6osWF0tDtQ Jeez Phyllis do you think anyone there knows anything about Wigan or the northern sound? You don't really want to watch the other three clips
Philly Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) Jeez Phyllis do you think anyone there knows anything about Wigan or the northern sound? You don't really want to watch the other three clips Hahaha... is that not you and Jan out on the floor ... :wave: Too late.. I had to watch them all and the interview in the taxi...... Edited June 23, 2010 by philly
Wayoutgirl Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Just seen a trailer of it on you tube. Going to see it with an open mind will be hard (the clip is only 3 mins long -spotted dodgy clapping to Tainted Love ) everyone claps above their heads in it?? Want to see it but then don't want to
Philly Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Hahaha... is that not you and Jan out on the floor ... Too late.. I had to watch them all and the interview in the taxi...... Some pictures here https://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=18790&id=127328327292247&ref=mf
Little-stevie Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Not seen the Film.... but have found some footage of the afterparty. Hope link works.... https://www.youtube.com/SoulBoy2010#p/u/2/d6osWF0tDtQ Jesus Philly... Thats just more ammo for some now... Russ bingo calling there during the record and doing the Mustang Sally god bless em.. Hope they had a good time... Any footage or feedback from the un-official party
Philly Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) Jesus Philly... Thats just more ammo for some now... Russ bingo calling there during the record and doing the Mustang Sally god bless em.. Hope they had a good time... Any footage or feedback from the un-official party Not much feedback to be honest, well I cant find any ..... here are some photos from the "other " party - courtesy of David Marshall on Face Book... https://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=187801&id=773973127 Edited June 23, 2010 by philly
Guest Una Scot-Oz Posted June 27, 2010 Posted June 27, 2010 when you say Russ's book do you mean Soul Survivors that he wrote with me (david nowell) in 1996? the one that I did most of the work on? the one that he insisted his name went on first? do you mean THAT book? I look forward to proper credits/vast royalty fees from you! dave nowell Hi Dave Good comment, I know that book was most of your work. What about my two pages then? Only kidding, but if anyone should be acknowledged for that book it's you!
jocko Posted June 27, 2010 Posted June 27, 2010 Bunch of lazy ass MFers don't you MFing read anything MFing properly, misquoting my ass, I should put a cap in the ass of you MFers one at a time, and then MF your wifes. Ooops sorry just slipped into character there, I am planning on auditioning for Scorsese's latest Hollywood blockbuster where they want someone with lots of experience, Italian American descent, fluent Italian speaker, 6"4 and built like a woman's dream, according to some of the peoples views on here on getting it right in films I should have a chance. Okay I am off to see this film in an hour so wanted to clear up some of the crap above before I do give an honest opinion, although no doubt I will still be accused of being biased. I did quote all the people who misquoted me, Steve G, Mr Smith, P Diddy Donnelly, Gogse, Polly TP etc etc but decided against individual answers so just in interest of accuracy as I assume you all get now that matters to me, (a) I have never slagged the film, I was defending peoples rights to slag it if they decided it was no good, and assumed that most people would have the sense to realise that meant after seeing it, there seems to be lots of people saying it shouldn't be slagged as it has NS in, bollocks, its even more important then its a good film as it means something to me. (b) The quote its only a film that now keeps getting quoted at me was actually mines you numbskulls, however its now getting all sorts of misinterpretations, as was the quote its not a documentary, go on and get searching, they were made in a response to my good friend Mr Franklin some time ago. This was however saying we shouldn't judge it on it being a history, 100% agree, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't judge it on whether its a good film or not, just because we can then boast to all and sundry we were there (and I mean there at Wigan not the film so please keep up Mr Smith) most seem not to care whether the film makes us look like a bunch of numbskulls or not, I do. A shit film is a shit film no matter what the subject is, and it matters more to me this film is a good film because of its subject matter, that's a respect we not only deserve we should be demanding, not all backslapping and saying oh look it mentions Wigan, that just reduces it to the level of anniversaries in Shopping Centres, a level I will never stoop to, your choice if you do. © I didn't say the handclaps were out of time, if you don't get what I mean by watching the trailer, as at least one other person did, then either you are blinded by your desire for screen fame of "being into NS" or you really weren't there, and as for why does that matter, the same as it matters on any film on any subject, if they do not pay due respect to getting matters of subject right, then they are amateurs, I want every film I see to be as close to perfect, as it should be, just what perfect means differs depending on their subject matter. (e) I have never mentioned its impact on the scene, and never will, I genuinely don't care, it can't get any more commercialised or watered down than the majority of it now is so why would this have any impact, I suspect its exactly the opposite, that due to the scenes commercialisation and amount of people who were only ever around for a couple of years in 70's now on the scene this film has jumped on the bandwagon and used NS as a selling point, I will let you know in a few hours! Despite Mr G's strange assertion NS probably has the biggest captive audience around now, unless I am just unaware of the 10.000's of people who flock to T-Rex tribute nights in their local legion, and football hoolies has really been done to death so doubt it would have got this far with that as its central theme. Anyway in summary, as my limo to the film calls, for me its all about integrity, one of the things that matter to me in lots of things, have said before that's not to say everyone needs to include that as a value but for me its crucially important in a film and in my NS scene, if this filters through from film I will say so, but to say this film needs no integrity to its art just because it features NS really saddens me and in all honesty says more about people on the scene today than it does about any film! Although when we have people defending Russ despite open statements on here about his actions, why should it surprise me......
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 27, 2010 Posted June 27, 2010 Bunch of lazy ass MFers don't you MFing read anything MFing properly, misquoting my ass, I should put a cap in the ass of you MFers one at a time, and then MF your wifes. Ooops sorry just slipped into character there, I am planning on auditioning for Scorsese's latest Hollywood blockbuster where they want someone with lots of experience, Italian American descent, fluent Italian speaker, 6"4 and built like a woman's dream, according to some of the peoples views on here on getting it right in films I should have a chance. Okay I am off to see this film in an hour so wanted to clear up some of the crap above before I do give an honest opinion, although no doubt I will still be accused of being biased. I did quote all the people who misquoted me, Steve G, Mr Smith, P Diddy Donnelly, Gogse, Polly TP etc etc but decided against individual answers so just in interest of accuracy as I assume you all get now that matters to me, (a) I have never slagged the film, I was defending peoples rights to slag it if they decided it was no good, and assumed that most people would have the sense to realise that meant after seeing it, there seems to be lots of people saying it shouldn't be slagged as it has NS in, bollocks, its even more important then its a good film as it means something to me. (b) The quote its only a film that now keeps getting quoted at me was actually mines you numbskulls, however its now getting all sorts of misinterpretations, as was the quote its not a documentary, go on and get searching, they were made in a response to my good friend Mr Franklin some time ago. This was however saying we shouldn't judge it on it being a history, 100% agree, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't judge it on whether its a good film or not, just because we can then boast to all and sundry we were there (and I mean there at Wigan not the film so please keep up Mr Smith) most seem not to care whether the film makes us look like a bunch of numbskulls or not, I do. A shit film is a shit film no matter what the subject is, and it matters more to me this film is a good film because of its subject matter, that's a respect we not only deserve we should be demanding, not all backslapping and saying oh look it mentions Wigan, that just reduces it to the level of anniversaries in Shopping Centres, a level I will never stoop to, your choice if you do. © I didn't say the handclaps were out of time, if you don't get what I mean by watching the trailer, as at least one other person did, then either you are blinded by your desire for screen fame of "being into NS" or you really weren't there, and as for why does that matter, the same as it matters on any film on any subject, if they do not pay due respect to getting matters of subject right, then they are amateurs, I want every film I see to be as close to perfect, as it should be, just what perfect means differs depending on their subject matter. (e) I have never mentioned its impact on the scene, and never will, I genuinely don't care, it can't get any more commercialised or watered down than the majority of it now is so why would this have any impact, I suspect its exactly the opposite, that due to the scenes commercialisation and amount of people who were only ever around for a couple of years in 70's now on the scene this film has jumped on the bandwagon and used NS as a selling point, I will let you know in a few hours! Despite Mr G's strange assertion NS probably has the biggest captive audience around now, unless I am just unaware of the 10.000's of people who flock to T-Rex tribute nights in their local legion, and football hoolies has really been done to death so doubt it would have got this far with that as its central theme. Anyway in summary, as my limo to the film calls, for me its all about integrity, one of the things that matter to me in lots of things, have said before that's not to say everyone needs to include that as a value but for me its crucially important in a film and in my NS scene, if this filters through from film I will say so, but to say this film needs no integrity to its art just because it features NS really saddens me and in all honesty says more about people on the scene today than it does about any film! Although when we have people defending Russ despite open statements on here about his actions, why should it surprise me...... LOL, I'm dying to read the review already Jocko. I take it the film company didn't provide the limo then? Ian D
Agentsmith Posted June 27, 2010 Posted June 27, 2010 DO YOU KNOW, HAVING WITNESSED A SOLEMN OCCASION AS WAS MAX MILLWARD'S FUNERAL ON WEDNESDAY LAST, SOMETHING WHICH WILL RESONATE PROFOUNDLY FOR MANY YEARS YET, IT IS IN THE HANDS OF SOULSOURCE TO LIFT MY SPIRITS AND, I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE WILTED IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES CATCHING UP ON THIS THREAD, UNDER THREAT OF THE DEADLY BELLY-LAUGH AT THE ACRIMONY WHICH HAS BEEN FLUNG WITH GAY ABANDONMENT FROM ALL QUARTERS....ONLY THE TEAR DUCTS HAVE FAILED TO REACT!. ONLY US BRITISH COULD ARGUE SO VOCIFROUSLY AMONGST EACH OTHER, YET, I THOUGHT THIS PAST TIME WAS LIMITED TO NICKY CAMPBELL OR VICTORIA DERBYSHIRE'S ANTAGONISTIC PHONE-INS ON 5 LIVE..THOSE ARE TWO PRESENTERS WHO THRIVE ON SHOWING RED RAGS TO OBLIGING BULLS. THE VAST MAJORITY WHO ARE WAVING THEIR WHITE PAPERS ACROSS THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE HERE, ARE, ON THE WHOLE, I SUSPECT AROUND MY AGE ( SLIGHTLY YOUNGER - SLIGHTLY OLDER), HERE!, HERE!.....YES, IT REMINDS ME OF THE PMQ'S, WEDNESDAY LUNCHTIMES AS WELL!!. ITS BEEN SAID ABOUT GROWING UP....WELL FROM A PHYSICAL AND METABOLIC POINT OF VIEW WE ALL HAVE OR ARE, AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO...ITS THE LOGICAL THING ISNT IT, OUR INTUITION SETS US APART FROM EACH OTHER AS MUCH AS OUR DNA. WE'LL NOT STOP ARGUING OVER THIS FILM'S MERITS WEATHER WE WATCH IT OR NOT, AND IF WE LIKE IT OR NOT....AT THE END OF THE DAY ITS JUST A FILM. OUR CAPACITY TO ARGUE IS UNQUENCHABLE, OF THAT THERE'S NO DOUBT, BUT TO WHAT END HERE?. THE VERY FACT THAT SOMEONE HAS ENDEAVOURED TO JUST " MAKE A FILM" REPRESENTATIVE OF A PHENOMENON MANY OF US ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, SHOULD BE GIVEN THEIR DUE, HOWEVER BEGRUDGING AND PERHAPS WITH THE QUOTE " WELL, AT LEAST YOU HAD A GO". NO, I HAVENT SEEN THE FILM YET EITHER, JUST SELLING OUT THOUGH, SAYS IT HAS AROUSED A MODICOM OF INTEREST, IF IT DOES GET A CHANCE TO REACH MORE OF THE INDEPENDANT ART HOUSES I WILL GO-SEE OR FAILING THAT, THE DVD AS IT SURELY MUST. IN THE 70'S I QUEUED ROUND THE BLOCK FOR " ENTER THE DRAGON" - LIKE SO MANY SOULIES DID....YES? ( UNASHAMED) BECAUSE IT WAS "CULT" I DIDNT ALIGNE WITH "GREASE" OR "SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER" BUT AGAIN THEY WERE "CULT"..... AND WHAT ABOUT "QUADROPHENIA"? ANOTHER IMAGINATIVE TAKE ON A VERY REAL SCENE THAT PERHAPS SOME EVEN OLDER SOULIES CAN RELATE TO , AND ANOTHER "CULT" FILM. LOVED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS, AND FOR ALL THEIR MISGIVINGS AND CRITISIZMS, STILL ADAPTATIONS THAT HAVE RESONATED OVER THE YEARS FOR THEM. SO LONG AFTER THIS FILM HAS BEEN CONSIGNED TO THE HOME LIBRARY, IT WILL HAVE DONE WHAT IT HAD INTENDED, EVEN WITH ALL THE ARGUING...IT WILL HAVE ADDED THE TERM NORTHERN SOUL TO BRITISH FILM ARCHIVE WHERE ONCE IT WAS JUST FOUND IN THE OXFORD DICTIONARY. AS A FOOTNOTE: PLEASE KEEP THE COLOURFUL METAPHORS FLOWING, PERHAPS SOMEONE SHOULD ADVISE MESSR'S CAMERON AND CLEGG TO REGISTER HERE AS THEY MAY CONTRIVE SOME COLOQUIAL PHRASES TO SPICE UP THEIR LUNCHTIME BATTLES WITH THE OPPOSITION!
AlanB Posted June 27, 2010 Posted June 27, 2010 I saw the film yesterday and enjoyed it. Thought it was well acted, though plot was rather weak. Would rate it 7 out of 10 The dance-off at the end was a bit cringy, but I could understand the need for some sort of climax for the film. What alternative ends could they have had? - hero gets asked to DJ the following week? ...has a big record find at a boot sale? Soundtrack ranged from cheesy (The Snake) to the sublime (Porgy & Monarchs: If It's For Real). The dancing clips from This England were well integrated with the recent shots. I think most people on here would quite enjoy it, provided they're not expecting it to be a soul equivalent of Saving Private Ryan. Alan
Suinoz Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 I saw the film yesterday and enjoyed it. Thought it was well acted, though plot was rather weak. Would rate it 7 out of 10 The dance-off at the end was a bit cringy, but I could understand the need for some sort of climax for the film. What alternative ends could they have had? - hero gets asked to DJ the following week? ...has a big record find at a boot sale? Soundtrack ranged from cheesy (The Snake) to the sublime (Porgy & Monarchs: If It's For Real). The dancing clips from This England were well integrated with the recent shots. I think most people on here would quite enjoy it, provided they're not expecting it to be a soul equivalent of Saving Private Ryan. Alan As i've said before IMO the film/doco was never meant to appeal to us 'old soulies ' for want of a better word. It's meant to stimulate a hidden interest in the younger generation. A bit like trying to get someone who has smoked 20 embassy a day for 30 years to all of a sudden expect them to like red bull flavoured fags. It just ain't gonna happen. Tony ( an old soulie ) OZ.
Guest Dante Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 (edited) As i've said before IMO the film/doco was never meant to appeal to us 'old soulies ' for want of a better word. It's meant to stimulate a hidden interest in the younger generation. A bit like trying to get someone who has smoked 20 embassy a day for 30 years to all of a sudden expect them to like red bull flavoured fags. It just ain't gonna happen. Tony ( an old soulie ) OZ. No it's not. Because, for the tenth time, it is not a bleedin' documentary. I can imagine Titanic survivors talking like this when Titanic came out: "Oh my god, there was no clock over the main hall's fireplace, they've got it all wrong. Oh my god, they're just making money out of our memories. Will younger generations be interested in our story now?" It is a fiction rite of passage/bildungsroman feature film made to entertain and express the writer's and director's views and feelings, not to "stimulate a hidden interest". The background happens to be the northern scene of the 70s. It's like saying 50 First Dates is a scientific documentary on short-term memory loss. Edited June 28, 2010 by Dante
Dave Rimmer Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 The majority of people who post regularly on SS are knowledgeable anoraks (And that's not meant as a criticism either), and sadly that's the attitude that has been brought to bear on the film before it was even released. Like Jock says, if it's a good film, it's a good film, if it's not, it's not, irregardless of the subject matter. From only having seen the trailer, there are a couple of things that made me cringe, and pulling the hood up on my anorak say "That's not right, I know because I was there". But does that really matter, think about all the other films you have seen: Where the hero dodges all 347 bullets fired at him by the bumbling incompetent baddies. The real world doesn't happen like that, but it would be a pretty crap film if the hero got killed in the first ten minutes. It's called artistic license, and is done for entertainment. Any film that has it's subject matter in the past will not be entirely accurate, but the majority of people won't care, they just want to watch a good film. The only ones who will be standing on their soapbox shouting "Rubbish" will be the anoraks of that particular subject.. I have to admit, I'm looking forward to seeing the film, it'll be 90 minutes of entertainment about something I like, and that's better than the telly most nights of the week. If you want reality watch Big Brother
Professorturnups Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 This thread is now the official "Divvey Thread" Sorry Simon but the correct spelling is "Divvy" Mark C (soul/spelling anorak)
ImberBoy Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Sorry Simon but the correct spelling is "Divvy" Mark C (soul/spelling anorak)
Agentsmith Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 The majority of people who post regularly on SS are knowledgeable anoraks (And that's not meant as a criticism either), and sadly that's the attitude that has been brought to bear on the film before it was even released. Like Jock says, if it's a good film, it's a good film, if it's not, it's not, irregardless of the subject matter. From only having seen the trailer, there are a couple of things that made me cringe, and pulling the hood up on my anorak say "That's not right, I know because I was there". But does that really matter, think about all the other films you have seen: Where the hero dodges all 347 bullets fired at him by the bumbling incompetent baddies. The real world doesn't happen like that, but it would be a pretty crap film if the hero got killed in the first ten minutes. It's called artistic license, and is done for entertainment. Any film that has it's subject matter in the past will not be entirely accurate, but the majority of people won't care, they just want to watch a good film. The only ones who will be standing on their soapbox shouting "Rubbish" will be the anoraks of that particular subject.. I have to admit, I'm looking forward to seeing the film, it'll be 90 minutes of entertainment about something I like, and that's better than the telly most nights of the week. If you want reality watch Big Brother :hatsoff2:HEAR, HEAR, HEAR!!!...I TOTALLY CONCURE WITH MY RIGHT HONOURABLE LEARNED FRIEND, WHILST THE OPPOSITION AS ALWAYS MISINTERPRET THE FACTS....ORDER,ORDER!! TELFORD & WREKIN PARLIMENTARY CANDIDATE
Rugby Soul Club Posted June 28, 2010 Posted June 28, 2010 Well I'm quite looking forward to watching it but only if it comes to the cinema in Rugby, I only travel for the real thing... I also watched Grease and Quadrophenia and enjoyed them the first time but the later times were more fun picking the faults... Do they really line dance and clap with their arms in the air......shouldn't have been too hard to get that bit right. Chalky, now I know you don't like clapping, I will do it all the more...
Guest Posted June 29, 2010 Posted June 29, 2010 There was more fabrication in Dustbin Stanley's book than there was used in building the M62 . Malc Choice Malc, a pure class put down!
Guest Posted June 29, 2010 Posted June 29, 2010 There was more fabrication in Dustbin Stanley's book than there was used in building the M62 Choice Malc, a pure class put down! What I should have stated was " more fabrication in the book by Dustbin Stanley in the book " rather than " There was more fabrication in Dustbin Stanley's book " . Walter Mitty comes to mind ...... Malc
Guest Dave Turner Posted June 29, 2010 Posted June 29, 2010 What I should have stated was " more fabrication in the book by Dustbin Stanley in the book " rather than " There was more fabrication in Dustbin Stanley's book " . Walter Mitty comes to mind ...... Malc Malc, I've only just noticed it -- CREDIBILITY ILLUMINATI Tops!
Little-stevie Posted June 29, 2010 Posted June 29, 2010 Yes the link to the film is this book.... I have read the book and am not aware as to what is fabrication and what is the truth as i was not there at the time.. Of interest to many ( including myself ) i should think but can we keep this topic about Soul Boy the movie and feedback from any of have seen the film etc.. Feel free to start a topic about fabrication of any aspects of the scene, i am sure plenty would like to know who is Walter Jackson and who is Walter Mitty
Chalky Posted June 29, 2010 Posted June 29, 2010 Well I'm quite looking forward to watching it but only if it comes to the cinema in Rugby, I only travel for the real thing... I also watched Grease and Quadrophenia and enjoyed them the first time but the later times were more fun picking the faults... Do they really line dance and clap with their arms in the air......shouldn't have been too hard to get that bit right. Chalky, now I know you don't like clapping, I will do it all the more... I don't recall saying I don't like clapping Clapping should be encouraged and when done right only adds to the atmosphere, sounds fookin great when a 1000 dancers do it in unison.. I was stating (I think) that these days they can't or have forgotten how (and when) to clap. And whilst back on this subject, Paul Sadot said he cringed when he saw the break dancing. I remember going to the nights at Hinkley years ago, there was always one kid, who did break dancing, was a good dancer too.
Alan Walls Posted June 29, 2010 Posted June 29, 2010 (edited) Well, I saw it last Sunday after following the ebb and flow on here for months. I reckoned if was to be half as much fun as this and related threads then it might be worthwhile! Northern content or not, I found it an agreeable piece of typically Brit comedy/drama whimsy, and it dutifully ticked all the standard boxes. It was well acted - congrats to Martin Compston for disguising his Greenock accent - the dialogue largely impressive and best of all, the attention to period detail was astonishingly good. Clothes, street scenes, the naffness of decor - all really well done, but it's the very issue of attention to detail which has rubbed so many up the wrong way. Basically, when every other aspect of working class northen life in 1974 was replicated so faithfully and admirably, why blow all the good work with daft and just plain wrong representations of the Northen scene? The reason this film has generated such a heated response is because it is about the Northern Soul Scene: it's not just a film with some Northern as incidental music, or featuring a character who is into it. The Northern Soul Scene is the film's focus, The Scene is the star, so it behoves the makers to get it 100% right. No margin for error, no lee-way. And why should there be? This scene didn't beg for such a film to be made, it has never openly courted populist appeal and that self regard has been a huge reason for the scene's durability. Contrary to some poster's opinions, the film will surely only appeal to old heads. Everything about will seem utterly alien to the current generation of teens, it could be set in the Stoneage for all they will be able to relate to it, so that takes us back again to the need to get it right. AlanB made a good point a few posts back concerning how difficult it would be for the scriptwriters to contrive a fitting climax as a commercial movie demands and I quite agree, but that's not our problem. It's their job to get it right, and it's entirely reasonable that folk who have an emotional attachment to the subject matter might demand better. 6/10 Edited June 29, 2010 by Alan Walls
Tony Turner Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Is it out in general circulation yet? And if so where is it showing?
Nige Brown Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 The majority of people who post regularly on SS are knowledgeable anoraks (And that's not meant as a criticism either), and sadly that's the attitude that has been brought to bear on the film before it was even released. Like Jock says, if it's a good film, it's a good film, if it's not, it's not, irregardless of the subject matter. From only having seen the trailer, there are a couple of things that made me cringe, and pulling the hood up on my anorak say "That's not right, I know because I was there". But does that really matter, think about all the other films you have seen: Where the hero dodges all 347 bullets fired at him by the bumbling incompetent baddies. The real world doesn't happen like that, but it would be a pretty crap film if the hero got killed in the first ten minutes. It's called artistic license, and is done for entertainment. Any film that has it's subject matter in the past will not be entirely accurate, but the majority of people won't care, they just want to watch a good film. The only ones who will be standing on their soapbox shouting "Rubbish" will be the anoraks of that particular subject.. I have to admit, I'm looking forward to seeing the film, it'll be 90 minutes of entertainment about something I like, and that's better than the telly most nights of the week. If you want reality watch Big Brother Here, Here Dave!! Lifes to short! Well said that man!!
Mark Bicknell Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Yes the link to the film is this book.... I have read the book and am not aware as to what is fabrication and what is the truth as i was not there at the time.. Of interest to many ( including myself ) i should think but can we keep this topic about Soul Boy the movie and feedback from any of have seen the film etc.. Feel free to start a topic about fabrication of any aspects of the scene, i am sure plenty would like to know who is Walter Jackson and who is Walter Mitty Should answer that question.
Steve G Posted July 1, 2010 Posted July 1, 2010 Bunch of lazy ass MFers don't you MFing read anything MFing properly, misquoting my ass, I should put a cap in the ass of you MFers one at a time, and then MF your wifes. Ooops sorry just slipped into character there, I am planning on auditioning for Scorsese's latest Hollywood blockbuster where they want someone with lots of experience, Italian American descent, fluent Italian speaker, 6"4 and built like a woman's dream, according to some of the peoples views on here on getting it right in films I should have a chance. Okay I am off to see this film in an hour so wanted to clear up some of the crap above before I do give an honest opinion, although no doubt I will still be accused of being biased. I did quote all the people who misquoted me, Steve G, Mr Smith, P Diddy Donnelly, Gogse, Polly TP etc etc but decided against individual answers so just in interest of accuracy as I assume you all get now that matters to me, (a) I have never slagged the film, I was defending peoples rights to slag it if they decided it was no good, and assumed that most people would have the sense to realise that meant after seeing it, there seems to be lots of people saying it shouldn't be slagged as it has NS in, bollocks, its even more important then its a good film as it means something to me. (b) The quote its only a film that now keeps getting quoted at me was actually mines you numbskulls, however its now getting all sorts of misinterpretations, as was the quote its not a documentary, go on and get searching, they were made in a response to my good friend Mr Franklin some time ago. This was however saying we shouldn't judge it on it being a history, 100% agree, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't judge it on whether its a good film or not, just because we can then boast to all and sundry we were there (and I mean there at Wigan not the film so please keep up Mr Smith) most seem not to care whether the film makes us look like a bunch of numbskulls or not, I do. A shit film is a shit film no matter what the subject is, and it matters more to me this film is a good film because of its subject matter, that's a respect we not only deserve we should be demanding, not all backslapping and saying oh look it mentions Wigan, that just reduces it to the level of anniversaries in Shopping Centres, a level I will never stoop to, your choice if you do. © I didn't say the handclaps were out of time, if you don't get what I mean by watching the trailer, as at least one other person did, then either you are blinded by your desire for screen fame of "being into NS" or you really weren't there, and as for why does that matter, the same as it matters on any film on any subject, if they do not pay due respect to getting matters of subject right, then they are amateurs, I want every film I see to be as close to perfect, as it should be, just what perfect means differs depending on their subject matter. (e) I have never mentioned its impact on the scene, and never will, I genuinely don't care, it can't get any more commercialised or watered down than the majority of it now is so why would this have any impact, I suspect its exactly the opposite, that due to the scenes commercialisation and amount of people who were only ever around for a couple of years in 70's now on the scene this film has jumped on the bandwagon and used NS as a selling point, I will let you know in a few hours! Despite Mr G's strange assertion NS probably has the biggest captive audience around now, unless I am just unaware of the 10.000's of people who flock to T-Rex tribute nights in their local legion, and football hoolies has really been done to death so doubt it would have got this far with that as its central theme. Anyway in summary, as my limo to the film calls, for me its all about integrity, one of the things that matter to me in lots of things, have said before that's not to say everyone needs to include that as a value but for me its crucially important in a film and in my NS scene, if this filters through from film I will say so, but to say this film needs no integrity to its art just because it features NS really saddens me and in all honesty says more about people on the scene today than it does about any film! Although when we have people defending Russ despite open statements on here about his actions, why should it surprise me...... Hey Jocko, you must have had a fabulous holiday in Italia to come back so calm and relaxed....... Have you seen the film yet? Can we please see your review of it? T Rex / Quo / Queen/ Abba tributes etc very big down here btw. And footie holigans making a comeback too. Integrity and NS- now you could start a whole debate on that one. Steve
Little-stevie Posted July 2, 2010 Posted July 2, 2010 Hey Jocko, you must have had a fabulous holiday in Italia to come back so calm and relaxed....... Have you seen the film yet? Can we please see your review of it? T Rex / Quo / Queen/ Abba tributes etc very big down here btw. And footie holigans making a comeback too. Integrity and NS- now you could start a whole debate on that one. Steve Integrity and northern soul would make a good book imo.... But some would not wish this to come light i guess... Feel free to start a debate Steve, i am sure it would be of interest to many Anymore feedback on the film??? must have had plenty members who have seen it now... Joko??????
Paul-s Posted July 2, 2010 Posted July 2, 2010 Hi Dave Good comment, I know that book was most of your work. What about my two pages then? Only kidding, but if anyone should be acknowledged for that book it's you! Im shocked to hear Russ has ripped someone off Dave!! Hes such a soulful and honest guy, a real grafter;).
Sheldonsoul Posted July 2, 2010 Posted July 2, 2010 Is it out in general circulation yet? And if so where is it showing? its showing at your local shite tip, st andrews :D
Tony Turner Posted July 3, 2010 Posted July 3, 2010 its showing at your local shite tip, st andrews :) Oh my god, are you 'one of them' like Ted? Is it showing in Brum somewhere?
Liljimmycrank Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 I have received news today from a reasonably reliable source (some of the crew who worked on wardrobe on the film) that there is going to be a general release premier at Stoke kings hall 23rd august, and the film will have it's general release 4 days later on the 27th. Unsure whether this will be art house cinemas or mainstream cinema
ImberBoy Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 I have received news today from a reasonably reliable source (some of the crew who worked on wardrobe on the film) that there is going to be a general release premier at Stoke kings hall 23rd august, and the film will have it's general release 4 days later on the 27th. Unsure whether this will be art house cinemas or mainstream cinema :lol: :lol: :lol:
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 I have received news today from a reasonably reliable source (some of the crew who worked on wardrobe on the film) that there is going to be a general release premier at Stoke kings hall 23rd august, and the film will have it's general release 4 days later on the 27th. Unsure whether this will be art house cinemas or mainstream cinema SAURDAY-21st/SUNDAY-22nd -AUGUST - FILM SHOWING OF SOULBOY PLUS ALL-NIGHTER - Tickets £20. AT THE KINGS HALL. SOUL-ON-TRENT. Some of the cast & crew will be in attendance.
Guest nhsoulie Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 fuck that so now ive got to share my breathing space at stoke with ponse actors who know nothing and dont give a wank about ar scene and pay extra for the pleasure i dont go to nighters to watch shit feel good films am gonna turn strange trust me
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted July 8, 2010 Posted July 8, 2010 fuck that so now ive got to share my breathing space at stoke with ponse actors who know nothing and dont give a wank about ar scene and pay extra for the pleasure i dont go to nighters to watch shit feel good films am gonna turn strange trust me HERE,HERE, My view is the KiINGS HALL punters have made this venue one of the best attended ALL-NIGHTERS over many years, fair enough some credit as to be given to the Promoter and organisers of this venue ! BUT what about those who want to to attend this night, but have already seen the film.Also some of the punters probably don't want to see the film while in conjunction with the All-Nighter and to watch it at their own pleasure . I Think the least the Promoter could have done was to charge the normal fee for the tickets of this event as some kind of reward to the punters who have regulart attended this event over many years I'm sure some might think that the extra money been asked for on this night is to pay for some pre-party or some kind of attendance fee for the celeb's who will be present on the night. WHO knows, it may even back fire on the promoter.
Kevinkent Posted July 8, 2010 Posted July 8, 2010 I have received news today from a reasonably reliable source (some of the crew who worked on wardrobe on the film) that there is going to be a general release premier at Stoke kings hall 23rd august, and the film will have it's general release 4 days later on the 27th. Unsure whether this will be art house cinemas or mainstream cinema Wil the Rare room be on?
Liljimmycrank Posted July 8, 2010 Posted July 8, 2010 fuck that so now ive got to share my breathing space at stoke with ponse actors who know nothing and dont give a wank about ar scene and pay extra for the pleasure i dont go to nighters to watch shit feel good films am gonna turn strange trust me I can only assume you know the actors personally to provide this statement? I happen to know one of them and he attended soul events whilst filming, and still attends soul events round the Manchester area and slightly further a field. Loves the music and still plays it regular. As for paying extra, you might wanna take that up with the promoter of the Kings Hall Allnighter to understand why you've to pay more.
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted July 8, 2010 Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) As for paying extra, you might wanna take that up with the promoter of the Kings Hall Allnighter to understand why you've to pay more. Edited July 8, 2010 by POTTERIESPECK
Liljimmycrank Posted July 8, 2010 Posted July 8, 2010 Dint think of that, just assumed it to be kev's do, so apologies to him if it isn't his event this time
Guest POTTERIESPECK Posted July 8, 2010 Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) Dint think of that, just assumed it to be kev's do, so apologies to him if it isn't his event this time The KINGS HALL ALL -NIGHTER on AUGUST 21st which will also be screening the SOULBOY FILM and as a entrance fee of £20. The Promoter of this event is Soda pictures who are also the promoter of the SOULBOY FILM. I'm more or less 100% sure that the ALL-NIGHTER is fronted by RUSS WINSTANLEY.Don't know who the other dj's are going to be for this event but would imagine at this price it's a all inclusive deal. [ well it should br ] I think the promoter will be suprised by a low turnout for this event, especially at £20 a throw, My message is don't take the p#ss, because at this price this is one local who won't be attending.soulboy.txt soulboy.txt Edited July 8, 2010 by POTTERIESPECK
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